What does Jacinda Ardern stand for?

Can you define what Jacinda Ardern stands for?

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  1. adamsmith1922

     /  25th February 2019

    Nothing of substance, all blether but no substantive achievements other than economic depredation.

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  2. David

     /  25th February 2019

    An animated billboard for getting a communications degree.

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  3. David

     /  25th February 2019

    Self-serving promotion for a later stint at United Nations perhaps even Secretary-General.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  25th February 2019

      Jacinda pulls all the bitter knuckle dragging rightwingers out of the swamp that is right wing politics,and shows them up for what they are

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      • Corky

         /  25th February 2019

        Yeah, shows them up for realists. They know swamp water is swamp water. Jacinda tries to make swamp water taste like Candy Floss.

        If you believe that merry socialist, who’s presently trying to steal your money, then you have gone to the dogs.

        How’s RED, Lurchy?

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      • David

         /  26th February 2019

        Nope, I am a realist, not a “bitter, knuckle dragging right-winger”. Ms Ardern is a career politician. I think she will probably win the next election, maybe a third term. What happens after that? Where does she go? She will follow the same path as her predecessor Ms Clark… UN here I come.

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  4. David

     /  25th February 2019

    Seriously. I think Ardern stands for what a lot of young, urban and privileged people folk do which includes support for LGBGTQIA stuff, a better environment, electric cars etc etc and the way these folk get these things is by signing petitions then moving on quickly lest it disturb their comfortable middle class existence.
    Her bio pretty much has her doing nothing of any substance short of advocating and supporting, its like her life has been an extension of high school in joining the cool groups.
    I am sure she wants to do good and that she cares deeply but she is running a country with one of the most comprehensive welfare systems ever designed, we have support for pretty much every ill known to humankind that can feasibly be assisted by a benevolent state. We rank at the top of pretty much every international measure of quality of life so she is perfect for our times…earnest but a bit useless and will always have the correct reaction/response to every situation (except when she is stretched a bit like being asked what is actually in the Treaty).

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    • Gezza

       /  25th February 2019

      we have support for pretty much every ill known to humankind that can feasibly be assisted by a benevolent state
      It might look that way to people who have no need of it, and to people who have and aspire to nothing, but the welfare state is actually not particularly benevolent and in many cases has become quite punitive and harsh in the delivery of its supposed largesse.

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      • David

         /  25th February 2019

        Had a couple of people recently had to avail themselves of the welfare system and they found it worked, I was surprised.
        Had 3 people with health issues and all received first rate care.
        Mates daughter had some mental health problems and she was straight into one on one counseling at no charge.
        Things work really well here.

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        • Gezza

           /  25th February 2019

          Might depend where you are and what you need.

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        • Mother

           /  25th February 2019

          Our Police are not.
          I frequently hear about Police behaving disrespectfully and bungling evidence. It’s common knowledge that (in most cases) it is unhelpful to go to Police re sexual crimes.

          As our moral standards declined we tried to fix it with measures like Christian law. It is a legal offence for a person to even place a hand on another person’s body part without consent. I think this is an example of law gone mad, same as banning smoking in cars. In both of these situations, the Police are not designed to deal with such issues.

          We could increase our valuable human resources by increasing funds for counsellors and their ongoing professional development. At the rate we are going, this is where the best help is provided.

          And education! I know some children who rolled their eyes at police telling them what to eat for breakfast.

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          • Blazer

             /  25th February 2019

            did the Police…roll them…back?

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            • Mother

               /  25th February 2019

              Wouldn’t it be fun if past and present YNZers got together? I would instantly know Blazer. He’s the person with the seeing eye dog. Pete looks like he used to be a red head. Alan would be scowling at anyone who appears very leftist. Gezza would be taking the last word in every conversation along with being cheerful and friendly. Griff would be rolling eyes to his sky fairies. Kitty would be the person with the nicest sounding voice. Nobody would be able to guess who I was because I’d be very quiet with not much to say, along with a few others who comment here only occasionally. Maureen would be as easy to know as Blazer – she’d be the life of the party. PartizanZ would be the most gentlemanly. (Sorry I’m missing a few people out)…

              Phantom Snowflake would get everyone’s attention and say, “Look, I’ve been thinking PG. YourNZ doesn’t really encourage free speech as much as your subtitle claims, and I think you should put a stop to people who know each other in real life from commenting at the same time. Take away the possibility of club like relationships.”

              Then everyone would know who Phantom Snowflake is.

              And Gerrit (from memory it was Gerrit) wouldn’t be there because he has already said goodbye to me.

              Then the clown would entertain us all. That’s Mr Rustle.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  25th February 2019

              Mother: I would have been fine with your blatant misrepresentation if it was even faintly amusing. However…

  5. Blazer

     /  25th February 2019

    stands for the Labour Party.

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    • Gezza

       /  25th February 2019

      Tru dat. No ideas of her own.

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      • Blazer

         /  25th February 2019

        pose the same question to any present or past politician ….pick one.

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        • Gezza

           /  25th February 2019

          Roger Douglas

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          • Blazer

             /  25th February 2019

            never had an original idea in his life.

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            • Gezza

               /  25th February 2019

              Yes he did. Implemented his own programme put together from his own economic policies (they might have been constructed from a collection of others’ theories). Started his own party. Outmanoeuvred another celebrity windbag PM who had nothing of substance for policy.

              Name any of Jacinda’s ideas of any substance.

          • Blazer

             /  25th February 2019

            No he did not…just adopted Thatcherism/Reagonomics.

            Although Douglas and Quigley started up the ACT Party…without Alan Gibbs funding it would not have got off the runway.

            It is a failed party much like the Douglas ideology.

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            • Gezza

               /  25th February 2019

              Forget it bud. Knocked you out of the ring already.

            • Blazer

               /  25th February 2019

              dream on….name one original idea of his…or is it too….hard?

            • Gezza

               /  25th February 2019

              I already did. The fact you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t correct. Still waiting for you to name any of Jacinda’s. If they didn’t have Grant & a pack of vacuous female journos rooting for her from day one she’d have had shit show – she had nothing of any substance at all. Zip nada MInister of Child Povidy nothing. Hence so many Werkinggruppen.

              Look at her Housing Minister.

              There’s a reason for him always looking blank. He’s the same. Nothing in there between the ears & behind those blank looks.

            • Blazer

               /  25th February 2019

              ‘I already did. ‘…humour me…what was it again?…or are you off to watch…telly.😁

            • Gezza

               /  25th February 2019

              You’re punching at air now bud. I’ve got the belt and left the venue.

            • Blazer

               /  25th February 2019

              CAN’T ANSWER EH!
              Off you go…watch telly…

            • Gezza

               /  25th February 2019

              Just not wasting any more time on you bud.

  6. alloytoo

     /  25th February 2019

    $500000 pa plus benefits. Nothing more.

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  7. Gezza

     /  25th February 2019

    Kindness & votes for Grant

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  8. Mother

     /  25th February 2019

    Jacinda stands for kindness.
    But she is still learning about intelligent kindness.
    I think it’s possible she’s a fast learner and could grow quickly into a leader who satisfies the righty moderates. Given time, she might distance herself from the far lefty trendiness.

    Jacinda stands for kindness and positivity. If we really wanted to understand her values we would also need to study her parents’ lives.

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    • Gezza

       /  25th February 2019

      So if we wanted to understand John Key’s values we also needed to study his mum’s life?
      Parental values are to taught to us while young & (good or bad) may persist, but life experience & consequences can change our values or change the emphasis we put on them because we are all individuals and we learn from observations and experiences.

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      • Mother

         /  25th February 2019

        That’s what I was thinking – What did she glean from her parents and why did she depart from whatever she departed from? What informed her choices as she grew as an individual?

        Nobody really knows what others stand for. It’s a pointless exercise. Policy is best looked at scientifically and objectively.

        Jacinda will be growing too. I hope so. She’s a mother!

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  9. Finbaar Rustle

     /  25th February 2019

    Jacinda is already our greatest Prime Minister ever.

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    • Gezza

       /  25th February 2019

      Measured how?

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    • Corky

       /  25th February 2019

      Quite true, Finbaar Rusty. She had a baby while in office with the help of some dude who likes fishing.

      Stellar!

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    • duperez

       /  25th February 2019

      Saying Jacinda Ardern is our greatest Prime Minister ever is as valid as saying she is the worst. I have seen a number calling her the worst. The opinions are as reasonable as each other as opinions.

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  10. Patzcuaro

     /  25th February 2019

    What does Jacinda stand for – National in opposition.

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  11. duperez

     /  25th February 2019

    In our personal place along our own life lines, in the particular societal environment we have, in the evolutionary stage of our political system, standing back and asking what a leader stands for is a good question.

    For most New Zealanders in most of my years the annual budget has been peddled as the marker. We want a leader who stands for tax cuts.

    A Friday funeral put it into perspective. Lying on your death bed praising the tax cuts of 1982, ’92, ’02, ’12 or ’22? Or rueing there not being any in those years being the cause of your trip through not being as good as it should have been?

    In the way things are it doesn’t matter what Jacinda Ardern stands for. It matters what we stand for. In that regard turning a question most worthy of being considered thoughtfully into something trite, Jacinda Ardern stands for Labour in Mt Albert. There you go, the preordained inevitable damnation, vilification and opprobrium regardless of what she stands for.

    If she stands for changing the way we see things with the emphasis on positivity and well-being, she is like a matchstick in front of the Brazil mine dam bursting. The tide of evident pettiness and already mentioned damnation, vilification and opprobrium seems inexorable.

    The sneering about her position, her right, her qualifications to have a view let alone to be in a position of apparent power are evident, even on here. If she is targeting and appealing to the newer younger ones maybe it’s because there’s hope with the new leaves rather than the blighted ones.

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    • Gezza

       /  25th February 2019

      What’s been interesting for me is watch how quickly she has slipped into the standard approach we expect from politicians & PMs which is to obfuscate bullshit and tell outright obvious porkies.

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      • Mother

         /  25th February 2019

        Which means that Jacinda doesn’t know what she stands for, therefore we don’t have a show of knowing either.

        It’s always been this way with politicians. Can we change? I think we can because we’re young. We have a unique place in the world.

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        • duperez

           /  25th February 2019

          She probably does know what she stands for. In her naivety, distractedness, sense of values, or lack of gravitas (depending on your perspective) she has talked about kindness and well-being and ethereal stuff like that. Many people can’t handle that. They want her to talk about tax cuts. Oh, and China and Venezuela but not human rights in Australia.

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          • Mother

             /  25th February 2019

            Sorry if this is annoying, but your word ‘ethereal’ to describe Jacinda’s leadership triggers my PCANZ hurt.

            There was nothing ethereal about my insistence that they apply a fair environment at church when a man was grossly accused. There was nothing ethereal about my practical suggestions as a way forward. There was nothing ethereal about mine (and many others) quiet and true ways of serving the leaders for decades. Yet that creep leader PN mocked me to the hilt in his disgusting cowardly letter to his colleagues, and they let him away with it. (One of the words he used (the one ‘nice’ word he used in his long horrible letter) to describe me was ‘ethereal’.) The rest was lies and mocking. He used the historic abuse I suffered under Ian Rizzi to discredit me, and this matter was totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. He pitted my own father against me. And it caused me to snap and fight like a mad woman. Then they threw me out. There was nothing ethereal about that, and there is nothing ethereal about the horrible continuing vibes in community and the fact that my children suffer.

            There was also nothing ethereal about my continually failing efforts to get the Police to face up to their bungling and to do their job according to the Christian laws of the land.

            Ethereal has nothing to do with kindness.

            If anyone wants to deal with Jacinda’s ‘ethereal’ way of being PM then start being more kind and really practise equality. Call out unkindness in the media. Call out her daftness, using respectful measures. Find some decent leaders. Stop mocking anyone who pops their head above the parapet with new ideas. Because it’s new ideas we need. Kiwis are fast losing their grip.

            I have consistently put forward the idea that we, as individuals, would do well to consider what we, as Kiwis, want to do about Christianity. This is a serious matter.

            I have also consistently offered up the notion that we need enough of us to be at least sympathetic to Christianity in order to make our way safely forward. I have tried to express that ‘you don’t have to be one to be one.’ In other words, not everybody is designed to publicly declare they are followers of Jesus Christ.

            I have also consistently shown that there is one Church only. I am proof of that. My testimony, for those who can come down on pride, shows that I belong to Church. No one can put me out of Church. This is such a serious matter that I have no option but to say that the PCANZ no longer belongs to Church. There is no way I will grovel my way back after the two years of the trespass. I walk with the Good Shepherd and He will not allow me to come back down (yet again and again and again) for those nasty pathetic leaders. They don’t even know that Jesus Christ is God anymore. For several decades I tolerated their running after the lie. No more. What they want is a second WWII, but they want in vain. Many times over they fail to realise that today’s war is a battle of the mind, and they are losers.

            Being described as ethereal could surely be a compliment. I wonder how Jacinda feels about being described that way. I am in a very different situation to Jacinda.

            I think I have also, so far as limits in blogs allow, consistently put forward the notion that Aotearoa has not yet seen the kind of Christianity which would enable us to safely manoeuvre our future. I have mentioned a new Reformation so that there are no longer Protestants – there are the Uncomplaining Courageous.

            They’re just ideas but there’s more reality to them than ethereal ness.

            Politically, I vacillate between despairing that National will not come down on pride and Labour will get swallowed up with silliness. Hoping the best for others is not ethereal. PG could start a page especially for the people’s prayers for our leaders. That is both ethereal and practical.

            Kindness is the best of masculinity and femininity combined. That’s not ethereal either, although sex is ethereal (or it should be).

            We need some true Christian leaders. Then we could get back to talking about real political issues.

            By the way, Peter Cheyne is on my police record as mocking me too. Something about me not understanding how the real world works. He had his turn being the national PCANZ moderator a few years ago. Have a look at all the ethereal expressions on the faces of those around him at his induction ceremony (around 2012 I think.)

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            • Blazer

               /  25th February 2019

              have a cup of tea…and a lie down.

            • Mother

               /  25th February 2019

              Hi Blazer, I dared to write all that because I believe that my Good Shepherd guides me. Who guides you?

            • Blazer

               /  25th February 2019

              I have a Labrador,better than a Shepherd,they often have hip problems.

            • Mother

               /  25th February 2019

              That sounds nice. Some people are finding that miniature horses are just as good for guiding impaired people.

              I know a man (my dear dad) who loved his dogs. I was surprised to hear him say that horses are even better as a friend to man than dogs.

            • Blazer

               /  25th February 2019

              I can see you on a miniature horse,playing a miniature violin .

              The trouble with horses is they bite and buck and eat like …horses.

            • Mother

               /  25th February 2019

              The obvious truth about political techno whizzes, with only a dog inclined to fatness for guidance, is that they easily show themselves up as an entrenched part of the problems they complain about.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  25th February 2019

              I was once wheezing badly and could hardly talk. A young lad and I were admiring some horses, one a miniature which bit me for no reason at all. It was amazingly painful and, despite the asthma, I was suddenly able to talk again !

            • duperez

               /  25th February 2019

              Got rid of the hoarseness! 🐎

  12. 2019

     /  25th February 2019

    Comedy session well under way with all these loony tunes let loose. Jacinda Ardern is proving very popular in case some have not caught up with this fact. She has joy, empathy, humour, no arrogance, is hard working, is intelligent and cares about people. Pretty fine qualities. How does Simon compare? He is only interested in how many properties he owns and his kiwi way of life being “destroyed”.

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    • Mother

       /  25th February 2019

      The arrogant lose in the face of no arrogance. Does this explain Jacinda’s winning way?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  25th February 2019

        She has admitted to having the baby at work, which means that she’s not working but minding it. She stuffs up appointments, makes the taxpayer pay for her PR team, ignores things like the Labour Party debacle and the KwiBuild one, has upped taxes by calling them levies….need I go on ?

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  13. The Consultant

     /  25th February 2019

    The vast improvements in dental care.

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  14. PDB

     /  25th February 2019

    What does Jacinda Ardern stand for?

    Anything Winston tells her to stand for.

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  15. Zedd

     /  25th February 2019

    why not email her & ask Pete ?

    ‘jacinda.ardern@parliament.govt.nz’

    “Lets do this !” 😀

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