Hell, Pell

Sexual abuse in the Catholic Church has gone right to the top, nearly. Cardinal George Pell haas just been imprisoned in Australia.

Stuff:  Cardinal George Pell spending his first night in jail for sexually abusing choirboys

Cardinal George Pell has been taken into custody and will spend his first night in a jail cell for sexually abusing two choirboys in a Melbourne cathedral.

Pell was found guilty in December of orally raping a 13-year-old boy and molesting another after Sunday mass at St Patrick’s Cathedral in East Melbourne in 1996.

He became the highest-ranking Catholic to be convicted of such crimes.

Pell’s defence team submitted 10 character references, including from former Australian prime minister John Howard.

“These people love him; none of them believe he is capable of these offences,” Richter said.

Richter said Pell was a man of the “highest character”.

“He relates to everyone from a prime minister to street beggars,” he said.

It’s not how he relates to ex Prime Ministers that’s at issue here, it’s how he related to choir boys.

“Cardinal George Pell has not applied for bail today,” lawyer Paul Galbally said in a statement.

“He believes it is appropriate for him to await his sentencing.

“Despite the unprecedented media coverage, Cardinal Pell has always and continues to maintain his innocence.”

His lawyers have lodged an appeal on three grounds, including that the jury verdict was unreasonable.

Robert Richter QC has argued his alleged offending was at the low end of the scale.

“This is no more than a plain, vanilla sexual penetration case where a child is not volunteering or actively participating,” he said.

What the hell?

Richter also said a “temporary loss of judgment” could not be ruled out.

But Judge Kidd pushed back, saying Pell had engaged in shocking conduct that allowed no “innocent explanation”.

“At the moment I see this as callous, brazen offending. Blatant,” the judge said.

“It leaves to me only one inference, which is at the time he thought he was going to get away with it.

He nearly did. He did for a long time. Protected by his power in a sexually corrupt Catholic Church.

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42 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  27th February 2019

    ‘This is no more than a plain, vanilla sexual penetration case where a child is not volunteering or actively participating,” he said.’

    unbelievable audacity…should lock that koont up too.

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    • MaureenW

       /  27th February 2019

      I wonder what a strawberry or banana penetration would be? Could we be informed of all the flavours of catholic priest penetrations.

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    • Duker

       /  27th February 2019

      That’s just the lawyer stating the facts , in comparison with other similar cases. It’s not Pell’s claim at all, he still says he’s innocent and it never happened.

      It’s the flimiest evidence that was used to convict, the jury believing the evidence of one person who was a boy at the time…after the first trial had a hung jury. The other person never made a complaint to police , denied he was molested and was never interviewed by police as he died in 2014, yet Pell was convicted of molesting him.

      Another thing PG, Pell hasn’t been sentenced to jail yet. The sentencing hearing is still underway and as normal Pell has been held in custody, till that is complete.

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      • Ray

         /  28th February 2019

        If Pell was innocent, why didn’t he put his hand on the bible and say so.
        The victim was prepared to do that and faced days of cross examination by a lawyer who is famous for his bullying.
        It is worth remembering that the jury sat through all the evidence and made up their minds having heard it in its entirety unlike the rest of the armchair experts.
        I hope Pell is an atheist because otherwise things are going to go badly for him.

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  2. Griff.

     /  27th February 2019

    It is O funkin K to make kids to suck your dick….Filth in a dress with a cross around its neck.

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    • Corky

       /  27th February 2019

      Why don’t we have as many Anglican priests charged with similar offences, Griff. What does your science perspective suggest to you?

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      • Griff.

         /  27th February 2019

        Just maybe because Anglican priests are not banned from having a normal life and a partner.

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        • Corky

           /  27th February 2019

          Can’t argue with that.

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        • Mother

           /  27th February 2019

          I know some very strange Anglican priests. It looks to me as though they are anxiety ridden and deeply depressed. But at least they don’t have celibacy forced upon them.

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        • MaureenW

           /  27th February 2019

          Just maybe, that is a normal life for a catholic priest-certainly the way the church deals with predators and sexual abuse of children suggests it is.

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          • Gezza

             /  27th February 2019

            When your Church teaches you you can confess any sin to a priest and they can forgive it thru the power Christ conferred on the apostles to forgive sins, this is what you get.

            Check out this shite.
            https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-can-a-priest-forgive-sin

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            • MaureenW

               /  27th February 2019

              How did you manage to get through it?

            • Gezza

               /  27th February 2019

              A catholic education that included sciences & a look at what they taught and how they behaved – and how none of this squared with the Bible. Eventually I realised even the Bible is full of twaddle. It actually wasn’t easy. Not when you’re taught from childhood to that question it or disbelieve it means you are rejecting Christ and God which will see you end up burning in hell for eternity if it turns out you’re wrong.

            • Mother

               /  1st March 2019

              Finally had a look at this.

              Individuals are free to know God for themselves. There’s a lot less hype to it than Catholicism makes out.

              It is important to pursue truth. Mr Pell’s story seems unbelievable, and that’s how we get sucked into complacency again.

              I think it’s highly likely that Catholicism could take off again. It provides a certain camaraderie which appeals to people as they avoid the truth about what Jesus did for them. Catholicism is compatible with paganism and mysticism. People have turned to these practices in droves (more than you realise).

              Protestantism just isn’t cutting the mustard. For Protestants who will not change, there are two scenarios –
              1. They will embrace Catholicism through ecumenism, evangelistically, leading many astray.
              2. They will become more legalistic and works based/cult like within their own factions, doing as much damage to Christians as Catholicism.

              It always interests me that the SDA and other obvious ‘Christian’ cults are quite vocal about their disdain of Catholics.

              I do not disdain Catholics. But the lies of Catholicism must be exposed, for the sake of people’s future. Ditto for the lies of Protestantism.

              Jesus didn’t confer more and/or special power to any one person or type of person. Once the apostles of the first century church died out there were no more apostles. The Uncomplaining Courageous understand this. They just quietly get on with Church life practising the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It’s simple and peaceful compared with all the confusion the Antichrist offers.

        • Duker

           /  27th February 2019

          Australian Royal Commission found similar events through Protestant religion’s as well in their orphanages etc, doesn’t matter ..Anglican..Salvation Army, seventh Day Adventist etc.. And we all know similar things happened at secular institutions and non government groups such as Centre point here

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  3. Mother

     /  27th February 2019

    It would be helpful now if many people tell Pell’s highly ranked friends what they think of their attitude too.

    Institutional churches are one of the most unhelpful places for children and the vulnerable. Those in the ranks are vulnerable themselves, most notably the temptation for cowardice is too strong for them.

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    • Mother

       /  27th February 2019

      Corky, as a Catholic priest past or present, what do you think and feel about sexual abuse committed by some priests?

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  4. MaureenW

     /  27th February 2019

    Don’t be shy to sing along … its a favourite 🙂

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    • Mother

       /  27th February 2019

      I enjoyed that Maureen. (Can’t help feeling sorry for Cardinal Pell though. It would be awful to be mocked in a song! Oh well, who knows. Something like that might wake him up to facing the truth.)

      Very catchy, clever. I like how they dedicated it to survivors.

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  5. artcroft

     /  27th February 2019

    I wouldn’t have convicted him if I was on the jury. As I understand it, there were only three people involved in the alleged event and two of them say it never happened. Hard to see how there can’t be reasonable doubt in this case.

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    • Blazer

       /  27th February 2019

      what are the motives of the choirboys then..cowpoke?

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      • artcroft

         /  27th February 2019

        Choirboy. Singular. There was only one. The other died but claimed he was never interfered with by a priest. As to your first question… follow the money.

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    • MaureenW

       /  27th February 2019

      I understood there were 2 sets of charges against Pell, a cathedral incident and a swimming pool incident. The case did not proceed in the swimming pool incident.

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      • artcroft

         /  27th February 2019

        He can’t be convicted on that then. Nor should it be a consideration.

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      • Gezza

         /  27th February 2019

        “A retrial began in November 2018 with a strict suppression order in place preventing any reporting of both the previous case and the retrial. That was because Pell faced further, separate, charges known as the “swimmers trial” in a case due to be heard this April.

        Suppression orders are common in child sexual abuse cases and this was no different. The order was lifted after so-called tendency evidence prosecutors were relying on using in the swimmers trial was on Friday deemed inadmissible by Kidd. Their chances of successfully prosecuting the case were significantly impeded, and on Tuesday they announced that the trial would be dropped. The suppression on the cathedral trial was then lifted.”

        See my Guardian link below.

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        • Duker

           /  27th February 2019

          First trial was 10-2 to acquit, this trial was 12 guilty

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          • Gezza

             /  27th February 2019

            Pell’s reputation was trashed before he even went to trial. This trial seems to be based on one accuser and other former altar or choir boys confirming details of the sacristy.

            David Bain was found not guilty. Juries are fallible and subject to all sorts of group think.

            Who knows? I have no reason to like the guy but the behaviour described seems so bizarre as to be questionable. It will be interesting to see what happens on appeal.

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    • Duker

       /  27th February 2019

      That’s not correct that 3 people were involved. He’s convicted of molesting 2 choir boys, one of which denied he ever was molested. There was no corroborating evidence and the person who said it never happened died in 2014

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    • Mother

       /  27th February 2019

      “His lawyers have lodged an appeal on three grounds, including that the jury verdict was unreasonable.

      Robert Richter QC has argued his alleged offending was at the low end of the scale.

      “This is no more than a plain, vanilla sexual penetration case where a child is not volunteering or actively participating,” he said.

      Richter also said a “temporary loss of judgment” could not be ruled out.”

      Artcroft – Mr Pell’s own lawyer admitted that he engaged in some degree of sexual activity with children. Mr Pell’s pleading innocence when his lawyer speaks in this way is double speak, which reveals that Mr Pell is delusionary as well as a coward.

      (Bowing to the judge on his way to prison? Weird.)

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      • artcroft

         /  27th February 2019

        Pell hasn’t admitted guilt but still faces a sentence which his lawyer is trying to negotiate down. The verdict is a fact that must be dealt with. I just don’t believe it’s the right verdict.

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      • Mother

         /  27th February 2019

        The alleged victim who died already denied he was molested? That’s a frustratingly common phenomenon. If he was truly a victim, he just had not come to the right season in his life to be able to confess the truth. It is not uncommon for victims to carry painful secrets for decades. When we have to suffer reactions such as Artcroft’s, it’s not difficult to figure out why.

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        • Gezza

           /  27th February 2019

          If he was truly a victim
          This is what we don’t know.

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        • Mother

           /  27th February 2019

          Here’s an idea, just a flimsy one – Say for example the man remembered as a child that Mr Pell showed him his penis but nothing more happened. That child went on through life traumatised through carrying a secret which became burdensome. His life choices were badly affected as a result. He experienced abuses of trust from other leaders in his life. His relationships suffered badly. It all became too much, at which point he spoke up.

          Say for example (and I doubt it very much, because victimising emotional trauma makes the memory sharp), the man accused Mr Pell of more than only showing off his penis, in order to get authorities to take him seriously. Mr Pell goes, ‘oh no. I didn’t do anything that bad.’ That may be true, but here’s where he does not understand Christian responsibility. His one action of showing his penis (a little blip in his own life which actually served to give him a huge fright) set a vulnerable person on a pathway to hell. So now he appeals for sympathy – ‘I’m only human, I did so much good, everyone loves me…..’ etc.

          That’s a flimsy scenario. The more likely scenario is that the boy remembered acutely everything that happened re the abuse, even as bad as the alleged penetration and Mr Pell’s mind shut out the uncomfortable truth of the severity of his crime – because he’s a liar and a coward.

          His lawyer has already stated his guilt. With either my flimsy argument or my stronger argument, have I given you something to consider Artcroft?

          Mr Pell would need to severe his ties with Catholicism in order to find true repentance.

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          • artcroft

             /  27th February 2019

            Here’s another scenario. None of it ever happened.

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            • Mother

               /  27th February 2019

              Then why is Mr Pell’s lawyer admitting that something happened?

              A man can’t plead innocence while admitting that he had a temporary lapse in judgement can he?

              Are you being stubborn?

            • Gezza

               /  27th February 2019

              Do you have the full transcript with that remark in context. This was a sentencing hearing wasn’t it? Pell is still denying the allegations are true.

            • Mother

               /  27th February 2019

              Then why is Mr Pell’s lawyer admitting that something happened?

              How can a man plead innocence while admitting that he had a temporary lapse in judgement?

            • Mother

               /  27th February 2019

              From another Guardian article – “He (lawyer) said Pell did not have a pattern of offending and had not planned the attack, and so would have been “seized by some irresistible impulse”.”

              Mr Pell’s lawyer admits that he is guilty of ‘not much.’ He’s trying to wrangle a lenient sentence for his guilty client.

              It’s awful the way Mr Pell’s lawyer misrepresents the true course of circumstances for abused children. That’s a lawyer getting huge money for perpetuating society’s lies. I suppose this is normal sadly.

            • Mother

               /  27th February 2019

              And the man who died of heroin overdose maybe told his mother that he’d never been sexually abused so as to avoid hurting her. As a mother struggling with her son’s unhappy choices, she would naturally be asking ‘what went wrong? Were you ever….?’

              Cults get a strong grip on people, both victims and abusers. Spiritual oppression is growing in intensity.

            • Blazer

               /  28th February 2019

              try telling HIS lawyer …that.

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