Sympathy for Slater?

I recently posted legal facts about the defamation cases against Cameron Slater at Kiwiblog. as usual there I got a mixed reception. One comment was from ‘Debbie’:

I really struggle to understand why some would have sympathy for Cameron Slater just because he *sometimes* posts right-leaning views.

Everything about him is disgusting. He has no sense of personal self-responsibility, he has leeched off the taxpayer for so long, he publishes absolute lies so long as someone will pay him, destroys people’s lives for fun, then when held account cries victim.

Even if the stroke is genuine, it probably has more to do with being a fat lardass who sits on a computer all day, every day, than the so-called “stress” of court cases – which could have easily been avoided by simply acting like a decent human being. (After all, noone has ever tried to sue David Farrar for defamation, even if they disagreed with his political leanings.)

If the stroke is real, it was a direct consequence of his unhealthy lifestyle choices. But it shouldn’t excuse him from the consequences of his shitty behaviour to other human beings, and whilst I might be tempted to laugh at his bankruptcy application, I have more sympathy for Matt Blomfield et al who may not ever receive any compensation for his defamation. Slater really is a piece of shit.

16 upticks, 2 downticks.

No one commented in response. There were a few digs at me, including false claims. I responded to one with “I don’t have a palpable dislike for WO.” In reply to that Keeping stock posted:

Pass me a bottle of Tui please Pete. Just admit that you are reveling in Slater/WO’s demise. Be honest about it; no one would think badly of you given you got caught up on the fringes of his legal issues.

But please, stop pretending to be an objective, neutral observer here.

No criticism of Slater, but a swipe at me. I explained that I am not  “reveling in Slater/WO’s demise”, and I had not suggested I was “an objective, neutral observer here”.

I was included in a twitter thread last night that began:

This moved into a discussion on sympathy about Slater.

Some sign of contrition might change my view of him but that doesn’t seem his style.

So I added my thoughts on how I feel about it.

He and associates of his have tried to hurt me quite badly. Wife threatened. Home threatened. Family threatened. Home threatened. Online acquaintances threatened. Expensive legal action against me. Blog threatened. Liberty threatened. Criminal record threatened.

I have empathy and some sympathy for anyone who has a medical event like a stroke. Also for their family.

But I have some scepticism of severity of illness, with good reason. One of his ‘lawfare’ associates, Dermot Nottingham, used illness to try to defer and extend legal actions, and as an excuse for not complying with timetables and legal obligations, adversely affected many.

See:

[7] Lastly, Mr Nottingham pleaded that the court also ought to extend an indulgence to him as a lay litigant and he asserted that health problems have affected his ability to prepare. We are not prepared to extend time on this ground. He appears regularly enough in the courts to eliminate any claim to dispensation for limited resources or unfamiliarity with process.

DERMOT NOTTINGHAM v MALTESE CAT LIMITED [2018] NZCA 387 [24 September 2017]

Result – hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs unpaid resulting in bankruptcy.

See: HONEY v NOTTINGHAM [2018] NZHC 2382 [11 September 2018]

In the APN, Allied Press, Prentice and my cases Slater was informant and ‘expert’ witness. In the Honey case Whale Oil was used to attack them, referred to on Twitter by another associate Marc Spring as ‘fucked over on Whale Oil’.

So, some sympathy for illness, degree reserved on proof of severity. No sympathy for Slater’s legal or financial predicaments, all of his own making.

As has said, no contrition from Slater whatsoever, on the contrary, he claims to be the victim and blames those he has attacked for his situation. As does Nottingham (many court documents show this, including his sentencing notes after 7 convictions).

So, some sympathy for the illness, with the degree of sympathy reserved pending facts about the severity of the illness.

Sympathy for family, especially children (Slater’s wife shares some responsibility for aiding and abetting and taking part in dirty attacks).

Zero sympathy for Slater’s self inflicted legal and financial situation.

 

24 Comments

  1. Mother

     /  March 1, 2019

    Of course most people say, ‘The truth always wins out in the end’, which of course is true! But that is often a poor sympathy when you’re stuck in the middle of the trouble.

    I say again, well done Pete and family. And thank you for sharing the truth about your gruelling experiences. It’s encouraging to learn about your steadfast and honest (and compassionate) approach.

    As a bystander, I have sympathy for Mr Slater because I think he’s a victim of religious hype. I think there will be people in his life with a lot to answer for before God. If only they would.

    I wish people would stop wishing hell and such like on Mr Slater. It’s cruel. It seems he has behaved terribly childishly. Wouldn’t that give others more reason to apply a firm but kind approach? On the other hand, I do not know how badly others have suffered. It is true that others have been put through ‘hell’ because of him and that is terrible.

    ‘Hell’??
    Why are people even using that word? Do they believe in hell?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 1, 2019

      He has done more than behave childishly; he has been malicious and deliberately caused distress and harm. He’s a vile person and has done some appalling things. I am not glad that anyone’s had a stroke, but can understand why some of his victims feel as they do.He has caused a great deal of suffering.

  2. I should add that some people have been shat on by Slater and associates far more severely than I have. Blomfield. Len Brown, Colin Craig. National MPs John Key, Bill English. Paula Bennett, Steven Joyce and others have been smeared. As have many more.

    So I would understand if some have less sympathy than I have for his situation.

  3. Conspiratoor

     /  March 1, 2019

    “He and associates of his”

    His ‘associates’ certainly seem to be unsavoury individuals but just for clarity and context pg can you point to an occasion where slater himself threatened your wife, home or family?

    • Involved in two court actions, both attempting to imprison me. Threats online of other legal actions.

      I can’t say for certain who was making anonymous threats, but it was all coming from the same small group that Slater was an active part of.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 1, 2019

        Having been on the receiving end of threats from the former neighbour from Hell, mother of a family who were notorious (the plumber who came to do something was nearly driven to a breakdown when they lived next to him and was extremely sympathetic when he saw that they now lived in our road) I can totally sympathise. She threatened to burn our house down and although I didn’t really think that she would (this was in response to us and others calling Noise Control after hours of deafening ‘music;) it was still unnerving. We were not the only ones to be abused, lied to and about and threatened; the police must have had a very fat file.

      • david in aus

         /  March 1, 2019

        If it is schadenfreude you are after reread all the coverage of Cam Slater.

        I had found his personality and blog a teaching moment for anyone, that such people get their comeuppance. For a supposed Christian he was the most uncharitable person.

        But it is difficult for him to much lower financially, by reputation, or health.
        If you were hurt by actions I think it is best respond by acting the opposite, with compassion.

        Well, at least piss on him when he is on fire.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 1, 2019

          He isn’t a Christian, is he ? He’s a poor example of one.

        • I understand what you’r saying. This has come up in the past here.

          These posts are largely intended not for the regular readers here but for a specific audience – people like Debbie quoted in the post, and others who have been dumped on by this lot.

          It’s for a public record so that people who search can discover some of the history.

          And it has a purpose in relation to this being a developing and ongoing story, with more to discover and more to be revealed.

          If you don’t like these posts I suggest you ignore them.

  4. david in aus

     /  March 1, 2019

    I think you are mistaking people’s personal decency as sympathy.

    The statements you have made regarding the personal qualities of Cam Slater are hard to disagree with. But when someone is comprehensively defeated and dejected, I do not feel the need to reexamine the carcass for me to run it over again.

    • Mother

       /  March 1, 2019

      To the contrary – examination and re examination must be thoroughly practised until the lessons we need to learn are thoroughly learned.

      In my experience, people who shy away from hearing the truth and/or both sides of a difficulty are either oppressed or are oppressors.

      ‘comprehensively defeated and dejected’??
      That sounds just as cruel as the talk about hell.

      • Blazer

         /  March 1, 2019

        you can’t handle the …truth..Mother.

        • Mother

           /  March 1, 2019

          …..and Blazer continues to read my every word.

          Words matter Blazer. It was by God’s word the whole word was created. Jesus was there with Him. He is God, and He came to save you. He loves you.

          Ooops Snowflake. I accidentally evangelised again.

    • Gezza

       /  March 1, 2019

      I’m getting tired of reading about WO & Slater. I’m trying to mentally picture Cam having anyempathy & sympathy for any of his victims if similar medical & legal ails had recently befallen them & it’s just not bringing up anything but more full on nastiness. The occasional update from any reports of how much is managing to get extracted from WO despite its various recent manoeuvrings to recompense this of his victims with the Court on their side would be nice. Otherwise the WO site & its operators don’t interest me, tbh. I doubt they interest the populati at large either.

      • Mother

         /  March 1, 2019

        So true, and the fact people get sick of it before proper lessons are learnt perpetuates our social ills. The moderate always just want to move on. There’s a fine line between insisting on fairness and getting sucked into extreme people’s bitter ways. Will most Kiwis end up getting bitter eventually?

        • Mother

           /  March 1, 2019

          Gezza, if you’re not interested in the CS saga any more then why comment? Is this a case of a nice, respected, moderate person telling those who know first hand how grievous it has all been that no one is interested? Just another case of the masses turning a blind eye? History repeats.

  5. Gezza

     /  March 1, 2019

    Because posting on that site & Cameron just gives the more oxygen. Better to let them continue to just carry on sliding into the gutter unnoticed. We know plenty now of what Slater & his cronies have done that is at last resulting in the chickens coming home to roost in more ways than one.

    • Gezza

       /  March 1, 2019

      Sorry – that’s @ Mother

      Think I got hit by the Random WordPress Wilkinson Effect.

      • Mother

         /  March 1, 2019

        OK, so you’d be glad to have that WO extremist/falling into hatred voice suffocated. That’s fine. But what will take it’s place?

        Where’s Mr Rustle? I’m sure he’s a peecanzer, or someone interested in my testimony. Does he finally disapprove of girls grossly accusing a man? Does he approve of WO type hateful antics?

        Sympathy vs Empathy. Perhaps this is one of Kiwis’ growing up lessons.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 1, 2019

          They really mean the same, or should; sympathy, by definition, is feeling with…it has become watered down, of course.

          I can’t say that I feel either in the real sense. I can have some pity for someone who is reaping what he sowed for so long.

  6. Tipene

     /  March 1, 2019

    I suspect the entire Slater clan have “Stockholm Syndrome”.

    The cure is to get away from the perpetrator in the environment, or separate the perpetrator from the environment.

    • Mother

       /  March 1, 2019

      Another bingo for Mr Rustle!
      Tipene gives apt advice.

      Oh sorry, back to WO. Yes, people would do well to separate themselves from WO. But where will they go next?

      YourNZ practises free speech/free thought. It seems that most blogs don’t.

      • Mother

         /  March 1, 2019

        Most churches don’t either.
        We need Church like never before.

        • Blazer

           /  March 1, 2019

          We need Church like a hole in the…head.