‘Kiwi Jihadi’ fled ‘unbearable life’ with ISIS

New Zealand has it’s own problem with what to do about someone who got involved with ISIS in Syria. In the first instance, apparently nothing, although Mark Taylor is a New Zealand citizen so we may end up being stuck with him.

RNZ: ‘Kiwi Jihadi’ in Syria will have to find his own way out – Ardern

Nicknamed the ‘Kiwi Jihadi’, Mark Taylor told the ABC he fled the Islamic State group in December and surrendered to Kurdish forces because life had become unbearable.

In 2009, he was arrested in Pakistan for trying to gain access to Al Qaeda.

In 2010, he was deported by ASIO after he was assessed as being a security risk. Taylor had lived in Australia on and off for 25 years.

In 2015, the US government declared Taylor a global terrorist after he encouraged attacks in Australia and New Zealand and appeared in an IS propaganda video.

Taylor said he would be surprised if New Zealand did not take him back.

“If they do take me back, most probably I’ll be spending a couple of years in jail,” he said.

Is that optimism? I don’t know what he could be charged with if he comes back to New Zealand.

And he had an apology, of sorts, for his home country.

“I’m sorry for causing too much trouble and being a bit hot-headed and flamboyant in my approach… I don’t know if I can go back to New Zealand, but at the end of the day it’s really something I have to live with for the rest of my life.”

Joining and fighting with a  group with a despicable war and human rights record is a bit more than “a bit hot-headed and flamboyant”.

Ms Ardern and Justice Minister Andrew Little would not be drawn on the specifics of the case at a post-cabinet press conference today but said they had warned New Zealanders of the risks.

“New Zealand has made it very clear from the outset that New Zealanders should not travel to Syria. Further, it is clear that it is unlawful to join and fight with a terrorist organisation as Mark Taylor has done.”

His actions in joining IS and travelling to Syria to fight for them has created potential for legal ramifications in New Zealand, she said.

“As with any New Zealand citizen overseas, if they wish to return to New Zealand then a journey specific emergency travel document can be issued under Section 23 of the Passports Act 1992.”

The absence of New Zealand diplomatic representation in Syria meant the ability of the government to assist any citizens there was “severely limited”, Ms Ardern said.

She said Taylor would probably have to travel to Turkey to get the documents he needed.

“We have consistently told Mark Taylor that we cannot help him obtain a travel document, he would need to make his own way to a country where New Zealand has consular representation, something that in his current situation will be difficult to do.”

Taylor only had a New Zealand citizenship and the government had an obligation not to make people stateless, she said.

More from RNZ:  Call for NZ to take ‘Kiwi jihadi’ Mark Taylor likely

New Zealand can shortly expect demands from Kurdish officials to take the imprisoned Kiwi IS fighter, Mark Taylor, off their hands.

Mr Taylor was arrested in December, and told the ABC’s Middle East correspondent Adam Harvey he had turned himself over to Kurdish forces when he realised life under Islamic State wasn’t what he had anticipated it would be.

He said his life had become unbearable, with no food or money, and that basic services had collapsed.

Life has been unbearable for many people as a result of what ISIS has done, and that he has been a part of – inluding encouraging attacks on New Zealand.

Mr Harvey told Morning Report that Kurdish authorities wanted nothing to do with the western fighters now scarpering from the terrorist group – and that includes Mr Taylor.

“They’ve expressed to us their desire, that that’s what needs to happen with these foreign fighters and the IS families, the people in the camps,” he said.

Mr Harvey said Mr Taylor also told him he had spoken with New Zealand representatives since his arrest in December.

“He said shortly after his arrest he was spoken to by New Zealand intelligence officials on the ground here.”

“I have no idea when a formal request will be made. We’ll be speaking with the Foreign Minister of Kurdistan in a couple of days so we might get some more information then.

“But I think it’s safe to say that they want Mark Taylor out of here as soon as possible. He’s just a burden to them.”

He’s likely to be a burden to New Zealand if he ends up here, but we may have no choice.

 

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  1. NOEL

     /  5th March 2019

    I guess it won’t be long before some media back will be beside him activating like that Saudi girl for maximum media exposure and the exclusive.

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    • Missy

       /  5th March 2019

      True, but I don’t think he will garner the same sympathetic response from the idiotic hard left, he isn’t young, (relatively) pretty, and 9 months pregnant.

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      • Corky

         /  5th March 2019

        Cruel , but true, Missy. It’s a world of form, not substance.

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      • Blazer

         /  5th March 2019

        what do you want done with her..?Killed or just…beayen up.

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      • Blazer

         /  5th March 2019

        The former Chief Strategist in the Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism of the US State Department, David Kilcullen, has said that “There undeniably would be no Isis if we had not invaded Iraq.’

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        • Duker

           /  5th March 2019

          Similar to what happened in Ireland a century ago .
          Without the British Army in Ireland after the easter uprising , there would be no IRA

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  5th March 2019

            He’s a real plonker; what kind of moron posts the sort of things on Facebook that he did ? He told the whole world about planned attacks or something along those lines. I forget what it was, but it was unbelievably stupid.

            He used to look like a right wally as he pranced down Victoria St, big smirk on his then fat face, looking all around to see if people were looking at him..

            He destroyed his NZ passport very ostentatiously.

            When he was looking for bride no, ? and went on a Muslim site, they took his name down as soon as they knew who it was. Needless to say, none of the break-ups were his fault.

            Duker, the Fenians were around in the c.19; one shot at Queen Victoria, The English have a lot to answer for.

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            • Duker

               /  5th March 2019

              That was only one of 8 attempts on Queen Vic, first was 4 months after her wedding… hardly a reason for the black and tans

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  5th March 2019

              I know that; I have several bios of her and have read others.

              When my mother worked out that the nice old Rnglishman up the road who had been in Ireland in his younger days could well have been a Black and Tan from the dates and the odd clue, all hell broke loose. He may not have been, but there were no more friendly conversations. She believed that he had been one.

  2. artcroft

     /  5th March 2019

    He’ll be a hero to the left. [Deleted – don’t make allegations like that that are not substantiated. PG]

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  3. Missy

     /  5th March 2019

    “I don’t know what he could be charged with if he comes back to New Zealand.”

    Are you serious Pete? You really don’t know what he could be charged with?

    For starters it is illegal to participate in a Terrorist group, and as ISIS/ISIL is a designated Terrorist group in NZ that would be the first thing he could be charged with.

    If he provided money to ISIS whilst in Syria, he could be charged with financing Terrorism.

    He lived with ISIS, so could potentially be charged with dealing with Terrorist property (depending how the law is written).

    Then there is the fact he called for terrorist attacks in NZ and Australia, I would say that he could be charged with threatening to Kill, or at least inciting someone else to kill.

    He may also be able to be charged with participating in Terrorist activities.

    NZ law allows for him to be charged, the real key is whether SIS, the police, and GCHQ have enough evidence to show in court to make a prosecution succeed.

    Oh, and remember, he has admitted many of these offences publicly, so he shouldn’t be able to get that evidence suppressed as it is in the public domain.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  5th March 2019

      Not admitted, boasted of…but with such a blowbag, who knows if he’s telling the truth ? My feeling is that he’s gutless enough not to do anything that would endanger himself but would stand on the sidleines urging other people to do the dangerous things. He may well have discovered that he wasn’t the big hero there that he expected to be.

      I pity his family, but at least a name like Taylor is common.

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  4. duperez

     /  5th March 2019

    I’d read that Taylor had gone away seeking martyrdom. I’m disappointed for him that he didn’t find it.

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    • Missy

       /  5th March 2019

      In a way I am, but also I am not, after all not receiving matyrdom, and (hopefully) rotting in prison has surely got to be a worse punishment – almost torture really.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  5th March 2019

        HIM looking for martyrdom ? Yeah, right.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  5th March 2019

          I wonder if he thought that he’d be like a film star and that the life would be an action film.

          He may have found that whereas he was well known here (and, unknown to him, seen as a buffoon and boaster) he was nobody over there. He may have been a liability.

          He comes across as the dimwitted kid who has to keep boasting about himself (I went to Disneyland in the holidays) and convinces himself that people believe him.

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  5. Gezza

     /  5th March 2019

    Taylor sounds as dense as a doorknob from what I’ve seen & heard of him but I’m disappointed that those who’ve captured foreign ISIS fighters or supporters want the countries they came from to take them back & process them through our justice systems, & then have to spend maybe decades monitoring them & their contacts & communications. I’d have been happy for these people to just all get taken somewhere & shot en masse.

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    • Missy

       /  5th March 2019

      Unfortunately it is predominantly the Kurds who have captured the foreign fighters, and as they don’t have a state of their own they can’t try them and give them due process, and the Syrian Government says there are too many to process so they are saying that they have to be returned to their country of citizenship.

      I would prefer the Kurds were a bit more ruthless with them, or that the Syrians actually carried out their own justice, since in Syria any foreign fighters found guilty are subject to the death penalty.

      It is unfortunate that most countries can’t just carry out mass executions of them since it would be a huge PR disaster and, for Western Countries at least, that is something they don’t want to deal with – especially with the far left, and more liberal left, who seem to think they are misunderstood or have been groomed.

      Personally I would be happy for them all to be rounded up, put in one camp, have the camp removed of all civilians and then drop a few bombs on them, a much nicer death than most of them afforded their own captives.

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      • Gezza

         /  5th March 2019

        Al Jazeera showed a short doco that featured a female commander of, I think, a Shiite Peshmerga unit in Iraq, who was back living in & operating out of her former village where her husband & sons had been murdered by ISIS when they took over. The team filming her were given limited access to briefly interview two young men brought in who were suspected of being ISIS fighters or sympathisers.

        Then the reporter team were sent on their way. They doubted those two would survive long after their departure. Her attitude was that many in her village were suspects too. There were several reports at the time that significant numbers of Sunni men in areas taken over by Peshmerga were being taken off & not being heard from again. I dunno whether this is still going on there but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is. Given what ISIS did.

        But it was also clear that many people woke up to find ISIS had arrived & they were trapped, they would be tortured & killed if they tried to leave. Their young children were all traumatised after being forced to watch appallingly brutal executions & attend madrassa schools & be taught they must be hard & cruel.

        When a confessed ISIS fighter or supporter of such a regime is captured I just can’t see how they could ever be trusted again. Many were suspected to be infiltrating refugee camps. Foreign jihadis were often considered to be worse than Iraqis.

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        • Missy

           /  5th March 2019

          There were a number of different groups fighting ISIS, during the fighting I don’t think many kept prisoners, but once Raqqa fell I think some felt the need to adhere to international law, taking prisoners rather than doing summary executions.

          Your last paragraph, during the height of the migrant crisis in 2015 it came out that of the so-called refugees making their way into Europe, about 5% were ISIS. In fact since then a number have either committed, been arrested for planning, or attempted to commit terror attacks. They are definitely infiltrating the refugee camps, and more. There is no way to keep track of them all.

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      • Blazer

         /  5th March 2019

        blood thirsty lil devil…

        ‘I would prefer the Kurds were a bit more ruthless with them, or that the Syrians actually carried out their own justice, since in Syria any foreign fighters found guilty are subject to the death penalty.’

        calls for mass slaughter /genocide..


        It is unfortunate that most countries can’t just carry out mass executions of them since it would be a huge PR disaster ‘

        the kind and caring side of the thoroughly modern western woman!

        ‘Personally I would be happy for them all to be rounded up, put in one camp, have the camp removed of all civilians and then drop a few bombs on them’

        👀

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        • Missy

           /  5th March 2019

          Genocide? How is it Genocide? To be clear I am talking about ISIS fighters from all over the world, not one specific race, and not all from one particular religion. Unless of course you think Terrorists deserve the same protections as a race / religion. Also, how is what I am saying should be done to them any different from what they did to millions of Muslims, Kurds, Christians? If you want to talk genocide look at what ISIS have done, and if you still sympathise with them then feel free to join them.

          “the kind and caring side of the thoroughly modern western woman!”

          what has being western – or for that matter a woman – go to do with anything? The majority of foreign fighters in ISIS are westerners, I am not calling for what they did to millions be done to them, if anything I am calling for a much more compassionate death for them. I am not suggesting they be burned alive, beheaded, raped and tortured to death, stoned, thrown off a building, or any of the other numerous horrific or brutal tortures and deaths they inflicted on people for being ‘too western’, being from the wrong Islamic sect, being Kurdish, being Yazidi, being a woman, being gay, being a christian, being a hindu, being a buddhist, not being one of them. That you can even show a modicum of care or compassion for these monsters is in itself horrific.

          They deserve no less than what they inflicted, but unfortunately idiotic liberal lefties like yourself thing they deserve some kind of compassion which means that they will never get what they truly deserve. They are inhuman and deserve no human compassion or feeling.

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          • Blazer

             /  5th March 2019

            so what should be done to those who inflicted napalm,agent orange and carpet bombing on innocent civilians in S.E Asia in the 60’s and early 70’s?

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            • Gezza

               /  5th March 2019

              Those who were captured got the misery they deserved. Those who didn’t got away with it, thousands of poor kids with no political contacts to get them “bone spurs” exemptions died on the battlefield. Those who ordered them to war in the US got away scot free because their country were never invaded and occupied.

              But as was clear from the excellent Vietnam documentary series (I think, still available on TV1 On Demand) the North Korean regime murdered millions of their own citizens themselves before and during and maybe after the US war on Vietnam. And they got away scot free too.

              But this is whataboutism. That war has ended. The Vietnamese aren’t still carrying out attacks on Western infidels & “apostates” wherever they can.

            • Blazer

               /  5th March 2019

              ‘That war has ended.’…on that basis we can consign all manner of atrocities to the waste bin.End of discussion.

              As you have given such an indepth analysis of the German/Japanese psyche in WW2,perhaps you could explain how and why ISIS came about.

    • NOEL

       /  5th March 2019

      Ask the Kurds to use one of their bullets. Then divert a container of lamb legs as “humanitarian aid”. Gotta be better than 5 years of 23 year old law students, young journalists who can’t understand activism is not journalism and Green MPs continuously mouthing off about How poorly he’s been treated..

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      • Gezza

         /  5th March 2019

        The closest thing anyone in the West has encountered to ISIS, & Al Qaeda, in the last century would be Japanese soldiers (& some Waffen SS troops) in WW2. Schooled for years to be fanatical believers in their cause, absolutely ruthless & utterly committed to dying in suicidal attacks, killing as many of their foes as they can, by whatever means available.

        But the Japanese soldiers gave total loyalty to their revered, god-like emperor, in whose name they operated, & his command that they must stop & lay down their arms was the end of their desire to to die for him. But it took two nuclear bombs & the Russian invasion of Manchuria to get him to do that. And the sanitisation of his complicity in it all.

        And the death of Hitler, total devastation of Germany, annihilation of the worst fanatical Nazi troops on the battlefield, death of hundreds of thousands of German troops taken away as prisoners to Siberia, & the occupation of Germany by both the West & the USSR ended the Fanatical Nazi threat. The end of the Thousand Year Third Reich after 12 years was the end of that blind faith.

        That can’t happen with Islamic fundamentailsm. Muslims are everywhere & fundamentalist Islamic fanatics can arise wherever that religion is.

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        • Blazer

           /  5th March 2019

          ‘But it took two nuclear bombs ‘….would of though one would be enough…oh thats right ,one was hydrogen,and one atomic…😒

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          • Gezza

             /  5th March 2019

            Both were atomic. One was uranium, the other was plutonium. Nagasaki was the last one they had at the time. Japanese cities were already being razed to the ground by firebombing. They were particularly vulnerable to it because so many houses were wood and paper. They were being bombed back to the stone age. But the entire population was being prepped to die resisting invasion and occupation & the after-effects of nuclear bombing were unknown at the time.

            If any good came out of that, it is that nobody has ever used a nuclear bomb since. The threat of devastation of their own countries in retaliation has worked against those who have them. But they are still all trying to work out how they can. The human ape is bad news.

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            • Blazer

               /  5th March 2019

              ‘Both were atomic. One was uranium, the other was plutonium.’…thanks for clearing that up.

              I guess the scientists got to see the devastating results from the 2 bombs on real people…

              …they had to drop both of them otherwise the Japanese would still be fighting…today.🐱‍👤

            • Gezza

               /  5th March 2019

              ‘Both were atomic. One was uranium, the other was plutonium.’…thanks for clearing that up.

              Not a problem. Hate to see you accidentally just making shit up. But this is now history. Invading Japan was going to kill millions. Patrolling it and isolating it would have been impossible.

              But this relates to ISIS & Islamic terrorism how?

            • Blazer

               /  5th March 2019

              ‘ Patrolling it and isolating it would have been impossible.’…thats your opinion…if it was suggested ‘patrolling and isolating Germany would have been impossible’…that was proven,not to be the case.

              ‘But this relates to ISIS & Islamic terrorism how?’…War is War…I note you believed the Waffen SS and the Japanese soldiers had relevence to the discussion.

              The cause and effect of this ‘War of Terrorism’ ….needs objective scrutiny .
              The view that it is a black and white conflict…good against bad..is laughable.

              ‘Invading Iraq was going to kill millions. Patrolling it and isolating it has been impossible.’

              Who is to blame?

            • Gezza

               /  5th March 2019

              Check out the coastline and internal borders of Germany. Remember the size of the armies which overran the place from all directions. Remember that the population were largely not fanatical Nazis – those who were were dead or in Siberia.

              The relevance of Japanese & the smaller number of Nazi suicidal fanatics is that they are the nearest thing we have encountered in the last century to the murderous fanaticism and totalitarian ruthlessness of ISIS & other Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups still active in the ME, Eurasia and in Africa. But their motivation for their fanaticism has been ended. Mein Kampf doesn’t drive the population of Germany any more. Only a few nutters and White Supremacists. And a fanatical Emperor no longer has any political or spiritual sway over the Japanese.

              The Quran and Hadith still exist and it is still possible to interpret them as ISIS and Al Qaeda do & possibly the Taliban do (The Taliban at least has only ever really been interested in controlling Afghanistan – although they were happy to sponsor & harbour anti-Western Islamic terrorists when in control before).

              The cause and effect of this ‘War of Terrorism’ ….needs objective scrutiny .The view that it is a black and white conflict…good against bad..is laughable.

              Of course it is. That has never been my view. I have commented further on this where you excerpted Wikipedia below. The view that it will now somehow just go away is equally laughable.

              ‘Invading Iraq was going to kill millions. Patrolling it and isolating it has been impossible.’
              I said many times when they invaded it would blow the lid off the sectarian strife there. That the only way to do something like depose Hussein and set up a democratic country would be to emulate the occupation of Japan and flood the place with troops. But that that would never happen because American troops would die in their hundreds of thousands, because Jihadis would flood the place from every Islamic country and they would be infidel occupiers – and the US public would never permit their kids to die in numbers anymore.

              Who is to blame?
              Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Blair & all their enablers in the intelligence services & other countries who fell in with them.

              But that doesn’t explain or remove the ongoing threat that now exists.

            • Duker

               /  5th March 2019

              japan had no response after the first Hiroshima bomb, after the war they found japanese scientists said to the leaders, yes it was an atomic bomb as Truman described but the americans might only have ONE!

              Even with the second bomb AND the Russians declaring war , the leadership was at a stalemate over surrender. It took the intervention of the Emperor to break the stalemate but still they wouldnt accept the US terms so took further intervention of the Emperor and his personal broadcast – unprecedented, as most japanese had never heard his voice- for the surrender to occur. Even though the US didnt accept preconditions about the Emperor, in the end they accepted his position , but as non divine.

  6. Corky

     /  5th March 2019

    According to Andrew Little we have to take him back because we have signed up with the UN and other countries regarding such issues.

    Mikey applied the hurt to Andy just after the 7am news on ZB.

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    • Missy

       /  5th March 2019

      Hopefully it will be on the podcast and I can listen to it tomorrow morning.

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      • Blazer

         /  5th March 2019

        ‘We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity; more than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Charles Chaplin

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        • Gezza

           /  5th March 2019

          Given what he thought of Hitler, wonder what he would have made of Islamic terrorists.

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      • Corky

         /  5th March 2019

        Thanks Noel. I thought Gezza would post first.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th March 2019

          They don’t post audio of video and/or audio of everything said by presenters on ZB, like on RNZ. I’ve wasted too much time trying to find some of what you’ve claimed Mikey’s said at times to want to bother wasting much more time searching for it again.

          Anyway been busy talking to the regional council about getting rid of the infernal blackberry taking over at the stream.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  5th March 2019

            I have looked once or twice and found that it was either a distortion or not there at all.

            Good luck with the blackberry; it’s like gorse, you can’t kill it with an axe.

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            • Gezza

               /  5th March 2019

              Yes the guy from the regional council who called me (I emailed them a week ago & had given up on hearing from them) said he’d come round tomorrow and have a look. It’s hard to eradicate and they don’t usually do it. He said they don’t use roundup, they’d be more likely to use tordon if they did spray it as it doesn’t kill grasses and isn’t toxic to acquatic life. Also reckons it won’t harm the birds.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  5th March 2019

              Ours did, I think; there was a lot in one place (good news for those who love it) and now it’s gone. On a bank near me, there’s not as much as there was. I must confess to being very fond of these delicious little berries.

              I wonder if the PD boys would help.

        • Gezza

           /  5th March 2019

          Mikey ends with: “Does he sound like he’s on top of his portfolio?”

          Yeah he does. The legal bind we’re in is the same as other member countries of the UN. If we breach the agreement not to make a sole citizenship holder stateless we run the risk of having to spend god knows how many tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars defending him. Our problem is those who have him want to send him off to be dealt with elsewhere.

          As I think Jess Mutch said on 1news at 6 last night though, if he manages to get any kind of single use passport in his own name – what airliine is going to want to carry him? I can’t see the NZ government sending a plane to pick him up and bring him home. He might manage to pick up a passport in another name though. It’s obviously still possible to do that and get in here – if it’s a genuine one. Plenty of corruption over that way.

          A fake passport is more likely to get detected.

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    • Blazer

       /  5th March 2019

      A guy that knew him in the army basically opined he was just a lost soul ,looking to belong,to be wanted…any cause would..do.
      Sounds solid.

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      • Corky

         /  5th March 2019

        Yeah, a lost soul pissed off he couldn’t buy a servant.

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        • Blazer

           /  5th March 2019

          couldn’t ‘afford’ a servant.
          ‘Affordable’ servants-maids,butlers ,chauffeurs are like affordable houses.-out of reach of the average…shit kicker.

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        • Missy

           /  5th March 2019

          Not a servant, a slave. And didn’t he want a sex slave? A real nice guy.

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      • Missy

         /  5th March 2019

        Yes, because that is all ISIS members are… poor lost souls looking to belong.

        If you believe that you are more gullible than my friends 2 year old.

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    • Cookie

       /  5th March 2019

      On one hand, a Minister informed by the law, on the other, a meathead radio jock looking for ratings. Thank God a grown-up is running this.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  5th March 2019

        He seems to be a fantasist whose close encounter with reality has been a rude awakening. So in that sense, he is a lost soul looking to belong. But anyone who really expected ISIS to be what he was delusional enough to expect must be very naive.

        I bet that the Hamilton Mosque won’t be having a welcome back feast.They’ll probably install a 10′ high security fence to keep him out.

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  7. duperez

     /  5th March 2019

    The Prime Minister 1) Did the wrong thing by commenting, 2) Did the right thing by commenting.

    1 Already on line the terminally stupid and biased have it that Ardern’s comments this morning presented a recipe for Taylor to follow to get back to New Zealand and as such was a gilt invitation to return.
    2 Of course on such an issue we should expect to hear explanations of the situation and the various contexts and likely things to happen from those ‘at the top’ .
    3 Oh, and if she hadn’t made comment those from 1) would’ve said she’s lazy, she’s doing nothing, she’s not up to it, etc., etc, etc.

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    • Missy

       /  5th March 2019

      I don’t think she was wrong, and stating he had to get back to Turkey is fair enough, she was essentially saying he has to go to the nearest NZ Embassy.

      Unless he is really stupid he should know that, other countries have provided the same advice to their citizens. Basically they have to go to the nearest Diplomatic mission (in NZ’s case that is in Turkey) and apply for travel documents to return, it is right and legal that they are given that advice. No country can not provide advice to its citizens overseas, and no country can prevent their citizens from returning.

      The key is for how he gets from a Kurdish Prison Camp in Syria (where I presume he is after surrendering to the Kurds) to Turkey. The only way he can theoretically get home now is if the Kurds let him go or if the Syrians step in and deport him. The Kurds do not have a state so have no power to deport, and I don’t think the Syrian Government has the impetus to make it happen.

      As long as NZ stands firm that it is up to him to make his way home and NZers aren’t put at risk going to help him, then I think it could be a while before he makes it back to NZ.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  5th March 2019

        I suspect that it will be some time. But ISIS might have a whip-round to get rid of him.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  5th March 2019

    The rightwingers are baying for blood, outdoing each other in what they would do IF they could on ZB…its a verbal kiwiblog GD

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    • Corky

       /  5th March 2019

      Tell us about some of these dark murmurings, Lurchy. No R18 stuff though.

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  9. Blazer

     /  5th March 2019

    interesting information in your link…

    According to Iraqis, Syrians and analysts who study the group, almost all of ISIL’s leaders—including the members of its military and security committees and the majority of its emirs and princes—are former Iraqi military and intelligence officers, specifically former members of Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath government who lost their jobs and pensions in the de-Ba’athification process after that regime was overthrown.[160][161][162][163] The former Chief Strategist in the Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism of the US State Department, David Kilcullen, has said that “There undeniably would be no Isis if we had not invaded Iraq.’

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    • Gezza

       /  5th March 2019

      That’s not news to me. But what’s done is done. Those who ordered the invasion of Iraq in my opinion are war criminals but they will never be treated as such. The fact remains that it has exposed that there are numerous individuals who want to kill infidels and apostates given the opportunity, they are spreading to other countries, & there are disaffected Muslims in those countries who follow their interpretation of Quran + Hadith & will kill innocents in the name of Islam, not just because there are crusaders attacking countries Muslims already dominate.

      We have a global threat that won’t go away as long as the West is interfering in the Middle East, which it will continue to do, if not constantly, then intermittently, or by proxy. If I could I would ban Muslim immigration but we can’t.

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      • Blazer

         /  5th March 2019

        may as well cut and paste this when referring to any real or imagined misdeeds that have already occurred
        .’But what’s done is done.’.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th March 2019

          You are a waste of space on this issue.

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          • Blazer

             /  5th March 2019

            you are all over the place on this issue…contradictions everywhere,but this the best of all arguments…”whats done..is done’!

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            • Gezza

               /  5th March 2019

              No I’m not all over the place on this issue. I have answered your questions and given context for everything I’ve said in relation to the threat ISIS and Islamic terrorism now poses – however ISIS got started. You keep squirreling off cherry picking, seemingly finding reasons to excuse and justify it.

              Would be more useful for you to set out where they get their inspiration for such savagery & desire for Sharia law from, how Islamic terrorsim should be dealt with now that it exists over so many areas of the globe, and explain how you think it will disappear.

            • Blazer

               /  5th March 2019

              when will religion disappear?

              That is the root cause.

            • Gezza

               /  5th March 2019

              1. Where they get their inspiration for such savagery & desire for Sharia law from?

              2. How should Islamic terrorism should be dealt with now that it exists over so many areas of the globe?

              3. when will religion disappear? Appears to be in answer to “explain how you think Islamic terrorism will disappear?” Does that mean you expect it to be with us for as long as Islam is practised?

              4. What do you think should happen with Mark Taylor and other surrendered jihadis?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  5th March 2019

              He’ll probably get life if he returns…and if he doesn’t. I could see him topping himself or ending up as an old man in a filthy hovel somewhere; you know the kind of thing.

  10. Blazer

     /  5th March 2019

    1-refer to 3
    2-terrorism is terrorism…U.S has invaded 37 countries since WW2.
    3-YES
    4-like other combatants in War they will need to be repatriated.

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    • Gezza

       /  5th March 2019

      Not an answer to 2. A diversion to a different matter.

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      • Blazer

         /  5th March 2019

        what distinctions do you make with western terrorism as opposed to Islamic terrorism or any other ‘brand’?

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    • Gezza

       /  5th March 2019

      4-like other combatants in War they will need to be repatriated.

      We never had to repatriate any Kiwis who were Waffen SS or fanatical Nazis. He abandoned his citizenship here. This is a case where I think he should be subject to the justice of the country he went to and happily participated in the barbarism with other murderous deviant humans he chose to join. He should stay in a Muslim country.

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  11. Pickled Possum

     /  5th March 2019

    Blaza …when will religion disappear …
    When Jesus comes back and smites all of those pretend wanna bee christians … to the bargain basement where there are some Hot Sales.

    IMHO The root cause of a resurection of nut job religions ..
    Is their need to take control of money. Money brings power and authority.
    Their thinking is founded on Greed Elitetism Racism Sexism all the isisms.
    They see the West getting away with it daily and are in survival mode now.
    What do you call people who want people ..
    not like them … killed?

    Who says For the LOVE of money is the Root of all evil.

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  12. Best legal solution is for him to dropped off in the desert with a weapon at a specified point by the Kurds, where NZ Soldiers are lying in wait. Killing a armed ISIS combatant is legal, and is the closest thing to a death penalty…

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    • lurcher1948

       /  5th March 2019

      Shane Le Brun,have you escaped from the Kiwiblog GD asylum,where did you get this wacky idea from??? I KNOW KIWIBLOG,or any rightwing blog

      Reply
      • the former soldier in me thinks he needs a “kinetic” solution that cant lawfully be applied in NZ

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        • Corky

           /  5th March 2019

          Good to see the craft hasn’t entirely deserted you, Shane. Unfortunately you must remember some on here have the snowflake mentality. They only get it, when the knife is put to their throat.

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      • Corky

         /  5th March 2019

        So, Lurchy..If ISIS had won the war, do you think this Jihadi prick would be contrite? Hell, no.
        He would be on a killing spree, killing non believers. He would have a slave to abuse. And he’d become an increasingly vainglorious bastard.

        A bullet would be fair justice for the many innocent victims put to death by an organisation he was part of. And it would be a blessed release for this rebel without a cause.

        Unfortunately, we as a society, have forgotten what evil is..and more importantly, how evil should be dealt with.

        There a clips on Youtube showing how we dealt with Nazis and other evil doers after the Second World War.

        That said ,maybe coming back to NZ would be a better punishment. I’m sure many would make their views know.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  5th March 2019

          More meaningless generalisations.

          I suspect that Mark Taylor is a gutless wonder, all talk and little do. He seems to be a fantasist who believes his own stories.

          What makes you think, against all evidence, that ‘we’ have forgotten what evil is ? Speak for yourself.

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  13. Griff.

     /  5th March 2019

    I dont like the guy or what he stands for.
    But FFS you lot read like a bunch of barbaric backward extremists.
    The rule of law in this country is we dont kill peploe except in the most extreme case of self defense .
    No matter how disgusted you are by his actions this maxim should be not negotiable in any civilized society.
    Or we are no better than them…..

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    • Gezza

       /  5th March 2019

      The rule of law in this country is we dont kill peploe except in the most extreme case of self defense.

      That is also how we end up releasing killers who kill again. And releasing offenders who show every sign of being dangerous but can’t be detained any further or are given the benefit of the doubt and then go on to murder someone. Our justice system is far from a safe one.

      This man Taylor and other foreign jihadis who effectively renounced their citizenship placed themselves in that position and should face the consequences of their actions in the places they participated in or with people who committed atrocities.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  5th March 2019

        Statistically, murderers are the least likely to do it again.

        I heard today that the Pukemiro murdered man was the ex of someone I know. It was anything but an amicable break-up, I think, but he was once her husband and the father of her children and she is in a state of shock, poor girl.

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  14. Alan Wilkinson

     /  5th March 2019

    Don’t let the bugger back. He’s probably stupid enough to vote Labour.

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  15. Alan Wilkinson

     /  5th March 2019

    What is Taylor’s background? All I can find is that he was in the NZ Defence Force and lived in Australia a lot.

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  16. duperez

     /  5th March 2019

    His wife in a 2104 interview and the position he’d put himself in:
    “I just put trust on Allah about it.”

    I wonder if there’s a big queue to see Allah to ask him for a passport and an airline ticket?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111028054/mark-taylors-former-wife-gives-portrait-of-kiwi-jihadist-jailed-in-turkish-prison

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  5th March 2019

      Definitely silly enough to vote Labour. Especially if they promise him a few women slaves.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  5th March 2019

        He’s too silly to vote for anyone, I would guess.

        All the stuffing seems to have gone out of him. The man on the news is not the big grinning attention-seeker whom I used to see,

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