Clinton rules out 2020 run for presidency a win for Putin?

Hillary Clinton has ruled out another run for the US presidency in 2020. This may be seen as a win for Vladimir Putin, with it being pointed out “how much Vladimir Putin hates Hillary Clinton” – the misogynist versus the sort of feminist.

Could Russia target Ardern and New Zealand democracy? Have they already done this?

CNN:  Hillary Clinton rules out 2020 run, but says ‘I’m not going anywhere’

Hillary Clinton said Monday that she is not running for president in 2020 but will continue to speak out about politics, saying, “I’m not going anywhere.”

“I’m not running, but I’m going to keep on working and speaking and standing up for what I believe,” the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee told CNN affiliate News 12 Westchester.

“I want to be sure that people understand I’m going to keep speaking out. I’m not going anywhere,” Clinton said.

When asked if she would consider running for governor, mayor or any elected office again, Clinton told News 12, “I don’t think so,” adding that she loves living in New York and is grateful for the time she spent as senator of the state.

“What’s at stake in our country, the kinds of things that are happening right now are deeply troubling to me.” She said the country has become “not just polarized, we’ve gotten into really opposing camps unlike anything I’ve ever seen in my adult life.”

Clinton said that “we’ve made a lot of progress” but “we still have a long way to go on women’s rights, on gay rights, on making sure that every person has the same chance to have their dignity and their identity respected.”

This may be why Russia got so involved in the 2016 US election. Whether Trump’s campaign ‘colluded’ with Russia, or whether Russia used Trump to dump on Clinton, are still unanswered questions. The Robert Mueller report may or may not provide answers.

More from Erynn Brook:

It’s basically impossible to say HRC’s name without being bombarded with memes and trolls and propaganda. And that’s all intentional. I’m not talking about her policies. I’m talking about the interpersonal dynamic between Putin and HRC playing out on a world stage.

Oh the dog incident with Merkel isn’t just “related”, it’s more evidence. It’s in the intelligence briefings that’s she’s afraid of dogs. He gave Merkel a stuffed dog the year before. It’s straight up psychological warfare.

Foreign Policy: Putin uses dog to intimidate Merkel

Remember that Hillary Clinton was First Lady when Putin became Prime Minister and then President. Remember that Hillary is widely cited as being the driving force behind her husband’s political career.

Remember that she had an objectively successful political career, AFTER her husband’s impeachment. I don’t mean a while after, I mean like while it’s happening she’s running for state senator in NY. Which she won. That should have been impossible.

Love her or hate her, that’s not what I’m talking about.

Hillary Clinton is demonstrably, a very, very good politician. It’s likely she decided she wanted to be president when she was a kid and that influenced a large majority of her life choices.

So Clinton becomes Secretary of State when Putin is Prime Minister for the second time, and she is a force to be reckoned with. AND she’s the wife of his former American counterpart. She’s the woman he used to tell his wife to entertain. She’s fucking decor to him.

I am begging you to get this: refusal to see the role misogyny played in all of this, in the state of our world right now, is making things worse.

Don’t take my word for it, do your own research. Do some real, substantial research.

And ask yourself: if the richest, most powerful, most dangerous misogynist in the world, thought that the woman who had been coming for him for decades, who saw through all his shit and wasn’t afraid of him, if she was about to get the one job she could get to take him down.

If he saw that coming towards him, if this dangerous man who built a career on crushing political dissidents iduring Cold War, if this “world class misogynist” felt threatened by a WOMAN…

What would he do? What could he do?

Here, I’ll even give you a few places to get started. By all means, if you can show me I’m wrong while still addressing all the Russia crap, without resorting to more misogyny, and with actual, demonstrable, critical analysis, I’d love to hear it.

Brook links to another thread:

And it’s a wider problem.

What are the implications for New Zealand? Jacinda Ardern has positioned herself in stark contrast to both Trump and Putin. New Zealand may not matter much to Russia, but it’s possible Putin could start taking potshots at Ardern. And at our democracy.

Has it already happened? Why did Cameron Slater and Whale Oil actively promote Winston Peters in our 2017 election?

A year ago Peters was in the news here for promoting a trade deal with Russia, and for fudging around while other Western countries condemned Russia for their involvement in the Salisbury nerve agent attacks.

Noted noted: What’s with Winston’s crush on Russia?

With Winston Peters, it’s the Secret Samovar. He has this thing about Russia, and no one can explain why. There was the suggestion, when he began harping on about restoring full trade relations with Russia some years ago, that his close ties with the fishing industry had made him hyper-sensitive to lost trade opportunities in seafood.

This week, Peters has repeated his scepticism that Russia shot down the Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine in 2014 and expanded that refusenik-ism to cover the growing suspicion that Russia just poisoned a spy and his daughter in Britain.

He also averred that our getting a free-trade deal with Russia would be just as good, and should be just as big a priority, as scoring one with the European Union.

It may be that Peters admires Putin’s strongman approach in the way he shares some heartland electoral territory with Trump over immigration and protectionism. Among his startling comments as Foreign Minister this week was one expressing sympathy with the US’s proposed new tariffs on aluminium and steel – which had immediately to be contradicted by Trade Minister David Parker.

Anyway, Peters’ preoccupation with Putin’s Russia goes back years; it’s not something he’s just manufactured as a handy coalition prying bar. And dying in a ditch over Russia is hardly the gesture lost NZ First voters – or any other voters, for that matter – would rally around.

It may be a stretch to suggest a Russian-Peters-Slater conspiracy.

It could simply be that to different degrees Peters shares a similar misogynist view with Putin and Trump, seeing themselves as superior to female leaders, and attracted to each other in a ‘strongmen unite’ sort of empathy.

 

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35 Comments

  1. Trevors_elbow

     /  6th March 2019

    Hahahaha hahhhhhhhaaaaa…

    Hilary lost because Putin hates women?

    Wow! Just wow!

    Hilary the wrecker of countries (Libya)…. lost because a huge bunch of Americans saw her as self serving and nasty… deplorables anyone?

    Jesus Hilary just let it go….

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    • Duker

       /  6th March 2019

      “lost because a huge bunch of Americans” …..stop right there.
      She of course won the most votes , by a considerable margin, but you cant quite force your self to mention it that way…doesnt stop people like you complaining about
      ‘the huge bunch of NZers’ who put labour/NZ First/Greens in power here ! hahahaha

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      • Trevors_elbow

         /  6th March 2019

        Just stop. Hilary won a couple of states big esp.California. but the federal system in the States doesn’t award on the popular vote. She fucked up on strategy and dxecution. Accept it. See my note below you plonker….

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        • Duker

           /  6th March 2019

          Texas isnt a big state for population?
          Florida and Texas combined ( nearly 50 mill) are well ahead of California…..

          your point was ..
          Rust states are a fraction of those two combined , which Trump won.

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          • Trevors_elbow

             /  6th March 2019

            My points. She is a shit candidate. She hates little people told them so and they said via the ballot box to eff off. The system worked and popular votes dont decide the win….

            Whining that the system worked as designed is just being a (bad) loser

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  2. Pink David

     /  6th March 2019

    “Imagine he’s probably, secretly, the richest man in the world. Imagine he’s been in charge of Russia for the past 20 years. Imagine he has a reputation for being emotionally manipulative and abusive towards women. ”

    Erynn Brook does a lot of imaging.

    Hillary isn’t running because she would lose by a country mile and she knows it. It wasn’t the Russians, Hillary is simply the worst candidate in the history of the US.

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    • How could “the worst candidate in the history of the US” get more popular votes than the self proclaimed best and most successful President ever?

      Clinton could quite easily have won the election if not for the email hack and the Russian influence in the election.

      Trump is quite widely seen as one of the worst candidates, especially one of the worst successful candidates.

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      • Trevors_elbow

         /  6th March 2019

        Deluded. The thing that swung the election was the rust belt… heartland Blue states that had had enough of being the Dems bitches and voted for Reagan rhetoric just as they did when Ronnie won the White House.

        Hilary won California in a landslide. California is not America. The electoral college was put in place to guard against the largest States dominating everything in their favour…

        Whining about the popular vote when the prize is won state by state is like saying but we score more behinds than you when the opposition concentrated on goals… behinds being one point. goals being 6 points…. it’s called math!

        The Dems lost because they spat on a core constituency repeatedly then Hilary told them they were deplorable human beings….and they ignored the math of winning.

        It was emails it was Russia yadda yadda yadda…

        … it was stupidity in selecting a divisive figure in Hilary ..having her campaign on coastal issues while vilifying ordinary US citizens…

        Give it a rest he won….by the rules…

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        • Griff.

           /  6th March 2019

          Jesus.
          The amount of unmitigated crap I have read about Clinton.
          From some of the commenters above even.
          Yet they claim the propaganda had no effect.
          She lost by a small margin.
          Clinton cash, The Emails, Benghazi, The Clinton foundation and the rest of the right wing attack propaganda was enough to allow a retarded realty TV star to get elected.
          The USA is now a Idiocracy .

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          • Trevors_elbow

             /  6th March 2019

            Sorry Griff … your comments about the Math and ignore your key states needed for victory are?…. nah just usual griff nonsense….good spliffs this morning bro?

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            • Griff.

               /  6th March 2019

              Yip Griff smokes pot never seen that one before from piss soaked righties.
              /sarc

              How about engaging with the fact the fuckin propaganda you swallowed had an effect rather than attacking my choice of recreational drugs.

          • Trevors_elbow

             /  6th March 2019

            Oh dear griff likes ad hominem and denigration when he spouts it people called, idk, let’s say Maggie but gets twisted knickers when wound up about his pot smoking.

            Ultimately you say it was Russia and emails that did Hils in….and I say that was bs that she could have overcome but she IGNORED AND ATTACKED a key component of the Dems traditional base AND Trump was using a game plan from the late 70s to get elected… it was almost pure Ronnie and guess what the same blue collar Dems voted Red then and Trump got them to do it again…

            Hilary was useless and got what she deserved

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            • Griff.

               /  6th March 2019

              Yip cant even read what I wrote instead we get dribbling and the defense of a gibbering conspiracy crank who posts whacko shite from fringe blogs on KB .

              I did not mention Russia at all.
              I specifically named some of the propaganda I was refereeing to .

              Clinton cash, The Emails, Benghazi, The Clinton foundation and the rest of the right wing attack propaganda

              Guess where it comes from?
              Right wing loons inside the USA including the GOP machine and affiliates.
              There was a russain effort to distort the election on social media .
              Most of it merely echoed and helped spread the FUD that was already developed.

        • Duker

           /  6th March 2019

          Electoral college wasnt put there to stop largest states ..anything like that at all.
          By the time the Electoral college was put there ..Virginia was far away the largest state by population, but they had the largest portion of that population as slaves ( who werent allowed to vote). An election by the popular vote wouldnt cement Virginias dominance , but as the electoral college was broadly based from Census numbers which did count ‘negroes’ ( and thus awarded extra seats in congress). A similar effect was seen in the other large slave states , North and South Carolina ( all states then had slaves except Massachusetts, but the more northern the smaller numbers as part of the population).

          So you are totally wrong about the electoral college, at the time it was introduced, as its effect was to entrench Virginias leading position at the time, the largest state by population.

          of course if Trump had lost by a small margin in the electoral college, but won the overall vote, Trump supporters would be complaining about the million voters for Trump in Massachusetts who counted for nothing, or the 4.8 mill votes for Trump in California

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          • Duker

             /  6th March 2019

            Population census in 1790 from national geographic

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          • Trevors_elbow

             /  6th March 2019

            He won … Hilary lost. End of…. It was all about the math. All about swing states. Hilary ignore them called them names and basked in the radiance of fauning coastal state dems… to her cost.

            I wonder how many more countries Hils would have fucked like Libya if she had got in?

            It’s not fair it was the Russians.. Yeah Right!

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            • Duker

               /  6th March 2019

              Texas and Florida combined at 50 mill people are well ahead of California… A few rust belt states didn’t make much difference when you have the big uns.
              Nothing new to say she didn’t have a good campaign and the FBI breathing down her neck..
              Guess what ,the special counsel and the prosecutors in New York City are breathing down Trump’s neck now….and the house Dems are justing starting out …like the Republicans in the house were after Hilary
              What goes around…etc etc but 10x for Donny boy

  3. Pink David

     /  6th March 2019

    “Why did Cameron Slater and Whale Oil actively promote Winston Peters in our 2017 election?”

    The Russians! The Russians! The Russians!

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    • Duker

       /  6th March 2019

      he did ?

      I though Slaters main beef was a visceral hatred of English…. his hates are what drives him, not any particular interest in Peters

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  4. PDB

     /  6th March 2019

    Clinton not running sounds like more of a win for the US than for Putin.

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    • Agree with PDB, about Hilary not running being a win for the US. The left are swinging further left, almost to where our “right” is. Who knows they may even get universal healthcare in the next 10 years…… This means that Bernie is no longer that lone voice, but a lot of Dems have moved to his positions on things.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  6th March 2019

      Yes Clinton would have just muddied the water, it is time for some new blood.

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      • Pink David

         /  6th March 2019

        Bernie Sanders is exactly the new blood the Democrats need. A fresh face. A brash new comer with new ideas and brashness.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  6th March 2019

          I think he may spawned a younger generation, keep your eyes out.

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  5. FarmerPete

     /  6th March 2019

    Jeez, this is getting tired!

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    • Trevors_elbow

       /  6th March 2019

      Yip. It’s the Fabian method just grind and grind and grind… lace that approach with personal attacks and hope eventual everyone not on your philosophical ride gives up and you win by default…

      Pete is a tad obsessed with Trump…its been a couple of years and the world hasnt ended as the anti Trumps claimed it would….

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      • Duker

         /  6th March 2019

        yeah right … hes just like any other President really.
        I can predict this now …when his presidency is over he WILL go to jail, as hes the most corrupt president since Harding.

        But since you love to project your own fantasys about power and the what should happen in the world onto Trump…none of his criminality matters – until it does….and you are left with unfulfilled fantasy’s again..

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        • MaureenW

           /  6th March 2019

          What will Trump be going to jail for exactly?

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        • T

           /  6th March 2019

          Effin hell you’re losing your marbles Lil Duke…

          “But since you love to project your own fantasys about power and the what should happen in the world onto Trump” I couldn’t care less about Trump and my fantasies certainly are not about power.

          Truly you are losing you shit… call Griff and share a calming spliff..

          Reply
  6. Finbaar Rustle

     /  6th March 2019

    The reason Hillary lost and Trump won is because the
    USA almost always gives each Pres 2 terms.
    Two for the Reps 2 for the Dems its a long standing tradition.
    You have to go back to Watergate Nixon /Jimmy Carter 1974
    and George Bush senior ’89-93 for a break in the pattern.
    Hillary would have been murdered by angry right wingers
    shut out for 12 years had she won.
    I was so relieved she did not win and have to face the hate from the angry right.
    Reps were never going to allow the Dems 3 terms
    so the Dem Candidate was always going to lose who ever stood.
    Trump should by rights win a 2nd term despite the way he is portrayed.
    To be fair this 8 years for you 8 years for us has
    allowed some dodgy Presidents in.
    Eisenhower Kennedy Reagan Clinton Obama Trump
    All part of the American cult of celebrity Presidents.
    Ironically Nixon was a real politician so was Ford
    and Carter was the most decent man to ever grace the White house.
    The Bush’s were real people too.
    But the Yanks love their celebs.

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  7. Zedd

     /  6th March 2019

    come on down,,, BERNIE ! 🙂

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  8. Patzcuaro

     /  6th March 2019

    There is a movement in the US primarily amongst the blue states to circumvent the electoral college by giving their electoral college votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote. Currently 11 states plus DC have signed up with 172 electoral college votes with Colorado soon to add its 9 votes bring the total to 181.
    Colorado is the first competitive state to sign up the others normally voting Democratic. They still need 89 votes to get to 270.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-movement-to-skip-the-electoral-college-just-passed-a-major-milestone/

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    • The Consultant

       /  6th March 2019

      Since the Electoral College is actually written into the US Constitution, and done specifically for the purpose of negating the power of states with the majority of the population, I would not bet money on these folks winning in court on legal challenges. For a start, these are basically interstate compacts and Federal laws have rather a lot to say about that – yet another aspect of the reasons behind creating the Constitution rather than continuing with the Articles of Confederation that existed after the end of the War of Independence.

      And those legal challenges will be at both the State and Federal levels.

      Then there’s the fact that to pull this off in the first place the Democrats will have to have total control of sufficient states; Governor, Senate, House. Even after 2018 they’re still very much on the backfoot there.

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  9. The Consultant

     /  6th March 2019

    Hillary knew Putin was a bad man? Well I guess Hillary did not have much input into the following zinger from President Obama to GOP candidate Mitt Romney…:

    … a few months ago when you were asked what is the biggest geopolitical group facing America, you said Russia — not al-Qaeda. And the 1980’s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back — because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

    Oh how Democrats laughed and snickered over that one, along with Leftists around the world. Hillary thought it was really cool too.

    Meanwhile, other people, mainly on the US Right, could have written the following:

    Now imagine for a second, that he’s not a regular guy. Imagine that he’s been training his whole adult life to systematically destroy people. Imagine he’s the kind of guy who when he plans something, he plans it for years.

    Uh huh. To quote Die Hard: Welcome to the party, pal.. And it was actually the similarly named GOP candidate John McCain who, when asked what he saw in Putin’s eyes (a riff on Bush II), replied: KGB.

    But all the good, smart US Democrats laughed and laughed and laughed at that paranoid suggestion.

    Oh but now they know Russia and Putin are bad guys.

    Fuckwits.

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