Problems for Mark Taylor, and for New Zealand if he gets here

Mark Taylor created major problems for himself by joining ISIS in the war in Syria.

After finding life with ISIS ‘unbearable’ (they are largely defeated) Taylor handed himself over to Kurds in Syria, probably one of his safer options. But his problems don’t end there.

Somehow Taylor needs to cross from the Kurds into Turkey (who oppose the Kurds), get to the New Zealand Embassy in Ankara, get an emergency passport (even if he hasn’t destroyed his passport as claimed it will have expired), and pay for plane tickets back to New Zealand. He may not have much money, nor an easy way of getting any.

If Taylor does manage to get back he enters a situation with more problems.

Going by comments here and elsewhere he may just about enter a lynch mob mentality. He is likely to be arrested and held in custody, and that may be for his own safety. But he may need to be protected in prison too.

Unlike some (it seems many in Taylor’s case) I oppose capital punishment, but I expect he will be charged appropriately, and if his own claims about what he has done are true he should be sentenced to far more than the couple of years in prison he said he was expecting or hoping for. It looks to me like he has earned something like a life sentence with a long mandatory non-parole period.

If he has to spend that in isolation for his own protection then he only has himself to blame. Going to fight for ISIS is one of the more reprehensible things anyone could have done. He is lucky not to have been killed by opponents in Syria, and also by others in ISIS.

If he is lucky enough to get back safely to New Zealand I hope we are lucky enough to be fully protected from him.

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46 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  6th March 2019

    seems like a lonely retard to me.Deserves some compassion.

    He obviously has some ‘guts’ that Key was looking for…just ended up on the wrong side in this game.

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    • Missy

       /  6th March 2019

      Save your compassion for the victims of ISIS, the yazidi girls (not women girls, some as young as 8 or 9) that they gang raped over and over, the kurdish girls they raped, the gays they threw off buildings, the women they stoned to death, the foreigners and locals they beheaded, the locals and foreigners they burned alive, those that they made live in terror of what might happen…

      They are the ones that deserve compassion, not scum who run off to join a monstrous terror organisation. He is a monster, and to show him compassion shows contempt for the victims of ISIS.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  6th March 2019

    He will sneak into NZ past the border guard that let the”traveller” escape…and start a new life or go back to Indonesia to be with wife# 1

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  6th March 2019

      I think that Wife I will give him the one finger wave.

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  3. Missy

     /  6th March 2019

    Two thoughts on this:

    1. If someone in NZ or Australia give him money for a plane ticket, is it possible that they could be charged with funding terrorism since he is a named terrorist?

    2. There is a way he could end up getting back without needing money or a passport, if he crosses into Turkey and the Turkish Government arrest him for arriving with no travel documents or visa they could then deport him to NZ. NZ wouldn’t be able to refuse him entry as they PM has already declared he is a NZ citizen, and his airfare will be covered by either NZ or Turkish taxpayers. Of course, that is assuming the Turkish authorities are bothered about arresting people like him.

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    • Duker

       /  6th March 2019

      No passport , no boarding , no matter how many tickets you carry.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  6th March 2019

        I don’t see how someone could be charged with abetting terrorism by paying for a ticket.

        He IS an NZ citizen legally, and nothing can be done about that.

        I was talking about him today to someone who thought as I did that he may well never have been anywhere near the frontline as he’s (a) a bit thick (b) comes across as a blustering all-talk-and-no-do blowbag who’d be too gutless to risk his precious skin but would be happy to urge others to do this.

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  4. Blazer

     /  6th March 2019

    ‘people like him.’….if only he were more like you!
    Although you are probably more bloodthirsty than him.

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    • Blazer

       /  6th March 2019

      has Zaoui been a problem here in the last 17 years?

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      • NOEL

         /  6th March 2019

        Not the issue I was raising. I was showing that terrorists cost the New Zealand taxpayer.
        Now that Taylor is a cause celebre I’m expecting the eventual cost to top that.

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        • Blazer

           /  6th March 2019

          how much does it cost per annum to keep a prisoner in jail?

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      • NOEL

         /  6th March 2019

        Not the issue I was raising. I was illustrating that terriorist cost the NZ taxpayer.
        Now that Taylor is a cause celebre I’m expecting the cost to top that.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  6th March 2019

        Pissed me off when he closed his kebab stand in Palmerston north

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  5. duperez

     /  6th March 2019

    The way things work with the minutiae in court cases, any charges against Taylor and presenting adequate evidence in court would seem to be problematic. Evidence of what Stuff presented about him in 2014 mightn’t be enough. If charges are laid which have compelling evidence maybe he’d plead guilty and accept any penalty.

    Then again maybe his attitude will be one of, “Stuff you, prove it.”

    I have a tiny, tiny suspicion that the worthy souls, that illustrious group he threw his lot in with, won’t be mounting a defence, arranging worthy legal teams to fight tooth and nail to say he’s a good, innocent man!

    We don’t want him here, he may make it back, we’ll arrest him, charge him with whatever and give him legal help to say he’s a good, innocent man! A misunderstood one who “made a mistake.”

    I’d say Taylor understands the worth, the desirability, the advantages of simply chopping the head off, putting it on a stake or chucking it in a bin. Now I hear him quoted as feeling betrayed and stabbed in the back as if that’s a big deal. A pity the enlightened mob didn’t have hari-kari amongst their golden values.

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  6. Blazer

     /  6th March 2019

    the biggest war criminals of our time are Hitler,Stalin,Pol Pot,Nixon,Kissinger,Bush1&2,Blair, and Cheney.

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  7. Zedd

     /  6th March 2019

    methinks that IF the ‘kiwi Jihadist’ does return.. he will likely be ‘escorted’ straight into custody; as an ‘enemy combatant’ ?!

    listening to the media (ZB).. it sounds like he should be ‘put before the firing squad’ ?? :/

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  6th March 2019

      Perhaps he should be sentenced to listen to ZB 24/7, or until he confesses.

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    • Gezza

       /  6th March 2019

      One of the difficulties we appear to have is that nobody seems certain exactly what our law provides for in the case of someone like Taylor.

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      • Duker

         /  6th March 2019

        read the Suppression of Terrorism Act from 2002 and amended 2007.

        if you think nothing will happen , look at Countering Terrorist Fighters 2014 Act which was introduced by Key.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th March 2019

          What do they say the penalties are for returning New Zealand citizens who have been terrorist fighters – the latter one is about surveillance & disrupting the travel of foreign terrorist fighters. As a Kiwi who hasn’t formally renounced his citizenship or been officially deprived of it, is he even a foreign terrorist fighter?

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    • Andy C

       /  6th March 2019

      “methinks that IF the ‘kiwi Jihadist’ does return”

      Surely Syria will at some stage ask NZ to take him, and our government will have to. I don’t believe there’s any if involved here.

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      • Gezza

         /  6th March 2019

        I haven’t checked for any updates since hearing Stuart Nash on Mike Hosking’s Breakfast show this morning but so far I’ve heard statements from the PM, The Police Minister, & The Justice Minister & not one of them has been able to give any clear statement on exactly what will happen or what the penalties are for a returned NZ citizen who committed terrorism or has joined & supported or participated in a terrorist organisation. Whatever we have in legislation about terrorism appears to be spread out in various bits of legislation & may not even specifically address this issue, has it even been foreseen? I expected that by now the PM & the relevant Ministers would have been able to tell the country this information, without us having to listen to various commentators & Ministers & sundry MPs sounding off with no one being able to a clear statement of the exact legal situation.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th March 2019

          *give a clear statement.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  6th March 2019

            We don’t HAVE to take him, and we can’t. He knew this when he swaggered off to Syria. There’s no consulate there.

            NZ doesn’t bring people back when they haven’t the money.

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            • Andy C

               /  6th March 2019

              I’m fairly sure that if Syria ask us to take him the government will. And I imagine Syria will if he’s stays there too long.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  6th March 2019

              They may ask, but the answer will be NO.

              It just doesn’t happen. Remember the woman whose insurance was invalid or whatever it was and who was stuck somewhere ? Governments don’t pay for people to travel home.

            • Gezza

               /  6th March 2019

              I wouldn’t be at all surprised if an anonymous Wahhabist or Salafist or just some other Muslim benefactor eventually funded his travel to Turkey & then NZ if the Kurds decide to expel him.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  6th March 2019

              Someone may take pity on the poor fool.

              His family may feel obliged to.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th March 2019

              No, they want nothing to do with him.

              He makes it very hard for anyone to feel sorry for him, the poor mug, He is one of those people who just ‘don’t get it’.

  8. david in aus

     /  6th March 2019

    The Kurds are very decent. After ww2 German prisoners of war were forced to rebuild the countries they destroyed for years.
    Only 5% of captured German prisoners by the Soviets at Stalingrad returned to Germany alive.
    Taylor should repay his debt to society over in Syria before being repatriated.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  6th March 2019

    Simon 5% Bridges said the jihadi will instantly go into prison without a trial, Bridges farting out of his arse, trying to stay relevant…, we still have trials symon…hard to believe

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  6th March 2019

      He could well be held pending investigations to see what he did. Even if his exploits are a tale told by an idiot/Full of sound and fury/Signifying nothing, there’s little doubt that he was a Jihadist.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th March 2019

      Do you think terrorists should be allowed to wander around until their trial date comes up, Lurch?

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