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7 March 2019

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  1. David

     /  7th March 2019

    Ardern needs to get control of Kiwibuild and find someone competent to run it. Twyford finding houses already being built and calling them Kiwibuild is not achieving anything.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/111074456/huapai-kiwibuild-homes-had-already-been-for-sale-on-open-market

    “Gareth Kiernan, chief forecaster at Infometrics, said whether bringing properties that had not otherwise sold into the KiwiSaver scheme rendered it redundant depended on its aims.

    “If the aim is to increase the supply of housing because we’re not building fast enough and that’s contributing to the affordability programme, then Phil Twyford’s modus operandi to date of walking down the street, finding a house that’s already being built, and slapping a KiwiBuild sticker on is patently stupid and nothing more than window dressing,” he said.

    Twyford is doing the same thing with houses Greer cant sell around my area, been for sale for 18 months and now they are part of Kiwibuild.

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    • Blazer

       /  7th March 2019

      well sell them your 2 or 3 then.

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      • David

         /  7th March 2019

        Mate the chatter over breakfast meeting is how one could take advantage of Twyfords ineptitude and largesse.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  7th March 2019

    As what the PM Jacinda Ardern wears in the house has a strong effect on the right in fact brings out open hatred from the loser’s ,what do you think she will wear today?…style color

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    • Gezza

       /  7th March 2019

      Always feel a bit sorry for the women in Parliament. If a bloke changes his shirt and tie and wears the same one or two suits at Question Time nobody notices or gives a damn. But if the women turn up in the same outfit too often they cop criticism for having nothing else decent to wear. :/

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th March 2019

        She does have a habit of turning up looking mumsy and frumpy, even messy. And obviously synthetic satin looks terrible on anyone. A PM looks best in a tailored, professional outfit. The untidy hair (why doesn’t she tie it back, which focuses attention on her eyes, which are quite beautiful ?) and casual mumsy clothes do nothing for her. An unshaven man in the equivalent kind of dad clothes would be at an equal disadvantage.

        The only time that I have seen Jenny Shipley in the flesh, she was wearing a very simply cut suit that had a straight skirt. When she stood up, it fell into place without a single crease. Whatever it cost (a lot for such unobtrusive good cut) it was worth it. She looked feminine and professional (and much prettier in life tan she did on camera) No hanging out shirt-tails, no wrinkled puce satin ( a colour that does little for most people), no messy hair.

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  3. MaureenW

     /  7th March 2019
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  4. duperez

     /  7th March 2019

    “There are 5863 park and ride spots across the city but 800 new vehicles are being registered in Auckland every week due to population growth, according to 2017 figures.”

    Using the bare maths to get an approximate line on things that means about 20,000 vehicles every six months.

    I realise that vehicles are being written off each week too, or leaving to never return, but you can see why improving the motorways is like running on the spot.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12210176

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  5. Corkty

     /  7th March 2019

    Talking to a business owner I know well. He was telling me his mate in Masterton was very lucky to be in remission with his cancer. I told him it happens all the time. He told me it doesn’t happen often in that area, and that it’s well know cancer hot spot.

    Apparently it is:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-times-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503414&objectid=10921797

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76795869/null

    http://www.cancer.net.nz/Masterton_water.html

    Some blame high density agricultural spraying. Others believe it’s the water.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  7th March 2019

      Heavy duty toxins that have no where to go … locked in by 3 ranges. The manufacturer of plastics breasts says 70% of his business comes from Wairarapa. Wow and nobody thinks that is excessive.
      A legacy from Watkins Dow maybe.

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      • Blazer

         /  7th March 2019

        are you talking silicon?

        Who is the manufacturer,sounds suss.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th March 2019

          The chemist’s idea that people in the past called cancer consumption is absurd; they were not that stupid. It’s obvious from things written in the past that people knew the difference between cancer and TB.

          Of course Corky knows someone well who…he always does, It’s not a relly this time 🙂 ..

          I can’t understand anyone putting bags of silicone in their bodies, as the risks are so well known.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  7th March 2019

            The last link shows that actual numbers (not per capita) have risen since 1963.

            So has the population. Could there be some link between the two ?

            Wairarapa is well behind Northland and two other places for cancer rates according to government stats.

            A chemist is not a doctor, and should not be treated as one. Much of what he says is hearsay and anecdotal, and as Northland has a much higher rate, one must treat what he says with caution.

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  6. Finbaar Rustle

     /  7th March 2019

    Labour is certainly doing a brill job.
    Achieved more in a year and a half than National did in nine years.
    All National can do is screech like their woman do when
    they misplace their latest diamond necklace.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  7th March 2019

      That’s a great sentiment Finbaar. I look forward to the list of glowing achievements.

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  7. Gezza

     /  7th March 2019

    ‘Firearms incident’: Two Tauranga schools in lockdown
    Police have confirmed at least one shot was fired, forcing two schools and their distressed students into emergency lockdowns this morning.

    Staff and students at primary school Bellevue School, Otumoetai College and a nearby childcare centre were put into a “lockdown” after reports of a firearms incident at 8.45am in Tauranga. A parent told the Bay of Plenty Times his daughter had texted him at 9.27am from Otumoetai College and said “Dad we are in lockdown and have been for a while. There is a school shooting.

    “A Year 10 student had spread rumours that she is going to start a shooting.”

    Police say they are speaking to one person following a report of a firearm being discharged in the Bellevue area. “Bellevue Primary went into voluntary lockdown but that has since been lifted. Police are not looking for anyone else.”

    The incident comes just days after an email was sent to parents of Otumoetai College students about a Year 10 student who allegedly made threats to the school. The email read: “The school takes any threat seriously and management contacted the police as soon as they became of the issue. The police have since visited this family, spoken with the student concerned and the required help has been arranged.”

    Parents were also told no further action was required.

    The incident has sparked anger and upset … a Year 13 student who said: Many of us are furious at this because of events in the past days”. The student said the Year 10 student “planned to shoot up her form time assembly and brought knives and guns”.

    “She had a ‘hit list’ of students and teachers and planned to shoot herself once her ‘mission’ was complete.

    “As students we were obviously on edge for the following couple of days.”

    “Yesterday, each year group attended separate assemblies where the school attempted to ‘settle the rumours’ … They told us that ‘no one’s lives were in danger at any point’ and that ‘no further actions are being taken’.

    “We are angered … This incident may not be related to this year 10 girl but even so, it is too close for comfort especially when the school tried to calm us down by assuring us we are in a safe place.”
    … …
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12210306

    Hopefully more will come out soon to clarify the situation and whether the person assisting the police discharged the firearm & is the obviously disturbed student concerned.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th March 2019

      I wonder if the Y10 pupil meant ‘bought’. As there is little chance of this happening (or of them being ‘brought’ anywhere) I would guess that it was all talk,,,but can see why the situation needs to be taken seriously.

      The ‘school shooting’ seems to be an exaggeration, to put it mildly.

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    • Gezza

       /  7th March 2019

      Update from Stuff.co

      “Gunshots were heard in the area surrounding two Tauranga schools, but police have confirmed no shots were fired on school grounds.

      Bellevue Primary School and Otumoetai College went into lockdown after people heard gunfire on a property next to the primary school. It came days after the college had responded to alleged threats made against the school.

      But the incident was unrelated to those threats, Western Bay of Plenty Inspector Clifford Paxton said in a statement.

      “Police are following up on these alleged threats,” Paxton said. “We understand this has been a distressing incident for the Bellevue community, especially the staff and students at nearby schools.”

      An adult has since been arrested and police aren’t looking for anyone else.”
      More…
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111092796/tauranga-school-in-lockdown-after-gun-shots-heard

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      • Gezza

         /  7th March 2019

        Lockdown & arrest of a 40 year old woman featured briefly on 1news at 6. No mention of the other issue with the disturbed pupil recently.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th March 2019

          Where would a school child be able to buy weapons ? She wouldn’t have a license, for one thing. Some people watch too much American television.

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  8. High Flying Duck

     /  7th March 2019

    Nicky Hager has buried the hatchet with Westpac and they have changed T’s & C’s as a result. So there are now different clauses you will never ever read before signing their documents. However, a win for the consumer in this I presume:

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  9. duperez

     /  7th March 2019

    There are going to be a lot of laughs out of Mark Taylor before it’s all done and dusted in whatever way it works out.

    Today we have, “I thought New Zealand was supposed to be one of the safest countries in the world. And you have someone walking down the street who wants to pick a fight with you … No tolerance.”

    It’s much safer being in a country where people have been videotaped having their heads chopped off.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12210569

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  7th March 2019

      Mark Taylor is just small fry, is he going to change the world, no just a lost soul.

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    • Corky

       /  7th March 2019

      ”I thought New Zealand was supposed to be one of the safest countries in the world. And you have someone walking down the street who wants to pick a fight with you … No tolerance.”

      He has a point. Walk down any street in feral New Zealand and if you walk, talk, act or look in anyway out of the ordinary someone is bound to step you out.

      Last Friday I saw Asian bro bait walking into town. Four Chinese youths all dressed the same- black jeans and sneakers and white T-shirts. They looked very smart.. and the vibe I got was they could handle themselves in a scrap. These weren’t mousy Asians.

      That said, that type of dress was unacceptable for the streets on a Friday night, especially for a group of Asians. To a bro that’s big noting wannabes who need a lesson in respect.

      My guess is they received their lumps that Friday night.

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      • Gezza

         /  7th March 2019

        What clobber’s acceptable for the streets on a Friday night?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th March 2019

          Do you believe this story ?

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        • Corky

           /  7th March 2019

          https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/a-clockwork-orange-theater-1042666

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/110498483/more-free-public-transport-being-considered-for-auckland

          The story is 100% true, Gezza. If you can call it a story. It was an observation with a prediction would be a better description.

          You need to get out more. Wear your suspenders from your public service days and try your luck in the feral part of town.

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          • Corky

             /  7th March 2019

            The disconnect between the photos in the links I have given was just as jarring
            as watch the Asian youths.

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            • Gezza

               /  7th March 2019

              These are no good as evidence Corks. They could just be your fantasies. The top one looks like somebody else’s fantasy. Next time you have a story like this one, which sounds like a fact-inspired fantasy drama of the type that are pretty loosely based on minimal “facts”, you need to whip out the ol’ cellcam & either take some real-time date-stamped pics or even better a video clip to support your report. If you select 480p for the vidcam you should get a small enuf file to post it on a website. Go for a file of less than 100mb.

            • Gezza

               /  7th March 2019

              PS: If they spot you & come after you try & get their faces & to hang on to your cellcam. Lock the doors & when you’ve got them smashing your windows floor it & give the footage to the Police & The Herald & with luck we could even find out their names.

            • Corky

               /  7th March 2019

              What is fantastic about 4 youths dressed the same? Unusual, yes..but fantasies? Would you say that about 4 prospecting mobsters dressed the same.

              ”You need to whip out the ol’ cellcam & either take some real-time date-stamped pics or even better a video clip to support your report.”

              I don’t have a cellphone, hence the reason I haven’t yet taken a photo of the book you have called me out on. Its just a matter for me of travelling 250Ks and having someone on hand to take the photo.

              But why do I need to provide you with proof? You can believe me or not.

              You asked a simple question:

              ”What clobber’s acceptable for the streets on a Friday night?”

              You got your answer – one that seems reasonable to me.

              As I said:

              ”The disconnect between the photos in the links I have given was just as jarring as watching the Asian youths.”
              .

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th March 2019

        How patronising to say that these were not mousy Asians, as if this was surprising.

        We would probably have heard if your fantasy of them getting a punishment that they deserved and admitted to deserving (your stupid lumps cliche isn’t even used right) so don’t get yourself all excited.

        But as this almost certainly didn’t happen (your seeing these young men) then nothing else would have, either. If there had been such a group, they would probably have gone unnoticed. As you claim to be Maori or half-Maori, do you jump on anyone whose clothes you find unacceptable ? Why were you supposedly in a feral area ?

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  10. PartisanZ

     /  7th March 2019

    Most excellent article –

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/03/07/473307/whats-wrong-with-capitalism-now

    The capitalist conundrum: Acquisition versus Competition …

    It’s not socialism attacking capitalism from the outside; its capitalism eating itself from the inside … blaming it on socialism …

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    • Gezza

       /  7th March 2019

      Yes, he’s right. The big players buy up the competition & then sooner or later rationalise the business, lay off staff, & then either close the local operation or bring a smaller version into their operating model & use economies of scale to destroy the economics of remaining competitors. We see it all the time. The internet facilitates it.

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      • Gezza

         /  7th March 2019

        Then of course once the competition’s destroyed their prices go up & there’s no other option but to pay up if you need the services, because what competition’s left is now operating to ensure they don’t wreck the business of a small number of other big players & trigger anti-monopoly legislation. They cooperate to create the illusion of competition by having sales and specials at different times of the same products.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  7th March 2019

          The rotters! They are, in reality, a form of socialist ‘cliche’ …

          They’re in it for the ‘community’ of “themselves” …

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          • Gezza

             /  7th March 2019

            Yes, & unfortunately so are most of the politicians that govern us after about a year or two on the teat, even when they cover it up with warm fuzzies, as is evidenced by what they end up doing when they finally buggar off from parliament.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  7th March 2019

      If you Righties want competition to win the battle with acquisition (the anti-competitive tendency towards monopoly or duopoly), you have to ‘legislate’ to regulate ‘the market’ … which is to interfere in the competition of the free market …

      Damn! That’s a hard one … and not a socialist in sight!!!

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th March 2019

      Reads like a sales pitch to me – and sure enough the author is a salesman

      He is right though that monopolies are generally created and maintained by governments as I have noted before. Regulations are a prime means of doing this.

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      • Gezza

         /  7th March 2019

        Monopolies are generally created by insufficiently regulated capitalism, which allows corporations to eliminate competition nationally & globally by buying up & eliminating competitors, & when wealthy enuf, extending their reach into other areas of business & politics & repeating the process. Thereafter the regulators favour them & there is a facade of government regulatory control which actually still largely favours the corporations.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  7th March 2019

          Rubbish. If a corporate is excessively profitable competitors will continually start up to share those profits and buying them out will be a never ending process. Unless the government obstructs it as they usually do in order to share in the monopolistic profits.

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