Media watch – Friday

15 March 2019

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  1. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    Fark!

    A gunman has reportedly opened fire in the Christchurch Mosque near Hagley Park.

    The former president of the Muslim Association of Canterbury Mohammed Jama said a man with a gun went into the mosque about 1.40pm on Friday.

    He saw about four people injured and two people lying on the ground. He did not know if they were alive or dead.
    More…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111313238/shooting-at-christchurch-mosque

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 15, 2019

      Posted on Open Forum on this also.
      Hagley Park being cleared on Climate Marching kids.
      Bangladeshi cricket team were in the Mosque, but apparently got away OK.
      Schools in lockdown.
      Police calling for people to “stay indoors”.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 15, 2019

        One must hope that there are not many deaths.

        It’s sickening that the bigots and Islamophobes have sparked this in NZ, where such things just don’t happen. I hope that those who constantly put false stories online are feeling a bit of guilt, but it’s a faint hope.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  March 15, 2019

          It sounds horrific. Over 300 in the mosque and the gunman let off “dozens, if not hundreds of rounds” when everyone was on their knees praying.

          “Ahmad Al-Mahmoud, 37, described the shooter as white skinned, blond, quite short and wearing a helmet and a bulletproof vest.”

          • Gezza

             /  March 15, 2019

            ZB host is saying we know know there have shootings in TWO mosques?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 15, 2019

            What presence of mind to note all that.

            It would be impossible to estimate the number of shots, with the echo and ricochets. They said that the police took a long time, but it would seem a long time, even if it was only a few minutes. I can imagine it seeming to be hours before the police arrived.

  2. High Flying Duck

     /  March 15, 2019

    • Gezza

       /  March 15, 2019

      Is scrolling in red on the Breaking News Red Banner on Aljazeera Tv right now.

      • Gezza

         /  March 15, 2019

        Shots fired at Christchurch hospital, reports
        There are reports of more shots fired at Christchurch hospital. ??

      • Gezza

         /  March 15, 2019

        Men led from building, police carrying children
        Four or five men with their hands on their head were led by police from a building in Linwood.
        Mitch Redman, a witness at the scene, said the men came out of the building on Aldwins Rd about 2.20pm.
        Police carried out two or three children from the building and put them in a car, he said.
        There was a heavy police presence in the area, he said.

        Tvnz crew forced to climb over a fence …

        Obviously a scary situation, but some of this sounds a bit hysterical …

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 15, 2019

          TVNZ ghouls should fuck off and let the police get on with it.

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 15, 2019

    I was having a bad day but this is infinitely worse. Horrifically shameful and awful.

    • Gezza

       /  March 15, 2019

      It’s item one right now on Ajazeera Tv news, pics & talking to Sam Clarke nz journalist, live

      • Gezza

         /  March 15, 2019

        Aljaz has just shown footage of casualties being taken ex ambo into hospital on stretchers.

        They are promising to return to the item throughout their current news bulletin, actively seeking further information in NZ…

      • Gezza

         /  March 15, 2019

        Aljaz tv Breaking News Banner shows:
        Ginman in New Zealand Mosque Shooting appears to have live-streamed attack.

        Showing police tweets re the sitution, presenter is on the phone (unclear line) to some official from Islamic Community representative in Wellington.

        Mentioning unconfirmed reports another Mosque in Christchurch is in lockdown or has been targeted.

        • Gezza

           /  March 15, 2019

          He says gunman went through different rooms, targeting different groups, over maybe 20 minutes – including shooting women in the women’s room.

      • Gezza

         /  March 15, 2019

        Showing video of reporter speaking to blood-spattered man who was in the mosque during the shooting … saying “injured, there was about 50 or 60 people, but deaths I hope, none.”
        Says he was the last man out,

        • Gezza

           /  March 15, 2019

          He says gunman went through different rooms, targeting different groups, over maybe 20 minutes – including shooting women in the women’s room.

        • Gezza

           /  March 15, 2019

          Another witness in the mosque can’t find his wife yet, saw some people shot dead, he thinks, says it went on for maybe 5 or 6 minutes.

  4. Griff.

     /  March 15, 2019

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  5. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    The Bangladesh cricket team are wanting to leave New Zealand ‘as soon as possible’, after narrowly avoiding a shooting at a mosque in central Christchurch this afternoon.

    The team is in Christchurch to play New Zealand in the third cricket test starting tomorrow, at Hagley Oval, and had just arrived at the Al Noor Mosque for Friday prayer when a gunman opened fire.

    Video shows several Bangladeshi players and media escaping the scene.
    More…
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12213061

  6. Zedd

     /  March 15, 2019

    I just turned on AlJz.. it is on now: Shooting in ChCh mosque.

    WTF !?? 😦

  7. Griff.

     /  March 15, 2019
    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 15, 2019

      I’ll believe that when I see it.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  March 15, 2019

        simultaneous attacks on two mosques
        – Al Noor Mosque
        – Linwood Masjid mosque

        both the Herald and Stuff websites have updates

        this is a terrible terrible day.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  March 15, 2019

          and a third active shooting outside Chch hospital according to the Herald at 4pm

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 15, 2019

            I didn’t mean that the way it sounds….I was just thinking that rumours fly around. Carelessness on my part.

  8. artcroft

     /  March 15, 2019

    Words can’t describe how appalling this is. Unbelievable.

    • Corky

       /  March 15, 2019

      Oh, Arty..people are yet to wake up to the ramifications of this evil. Make no mistake, we will collectively all pay for this atrocity.

      The course of rational debate is out the window. New hate crime legislation. Domestic flights now screened. Knee jerk reactions left, right and centre.

      All because of some nutsjobs murdered the innocent. Why didn’t they go to Syria if they wanted to fight?

  9. duperez

     /  March 15, 2019

    The alleged madman has been identified online.

  10. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    Your dire predictions have got it the wrong way round, Corky. Exactly the reverse has happened.

    • Corky

       /  March 15, 2019

      Well, yes..and no. Thinking through future implications is a grim prospect.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 15, 2019

        There is no reason to believe that NZ Muslims will run amok and do the same.

        Please show a little respect here.If you can’t, just don’t say anything.

  11. PDB

     /  March 15, 2019

    Awful footage – like a video game. The guy is an Aussie-born 28 year old.

    I note Whaleoil is more concerned this will lead to a crackdown on firearm ownership then actually giving a shit for the victims of this.

  12. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    Jadinda’s press conference being carried live on Aljazeera …

  13. PartisanZ

     /  March 15, 2019

    ‘Live: Massacre at the mosques – gunmen kill multiple people, Christchurch under siege’

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039

    ‘Mosque shooting: Christchurch gunman livestreamed shooting’

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213076

    [Deleted. I don’t want any accusations, insinuations, blaming of anyone. Lashing out at people is not going to help the situation. We can and should be horrified by what happened, but need to avoid inflaming and dividing, because the opposite is now essential. PG]

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 15, 2019

      Somewhere there’s a hole … that ‘someone’ really ought to be … crawling back into …

      • Corky

         /  March 15, 2019

        I don’t think he’s interested in crawling into a hole, Parti.

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 15, 2019

      Thanks PG … but I reserve the right to express my horror in my own way …

      Happy to be deleted or banned …

      • It’s not a right to comment here, it’s a privilege. And I have a responsibility to edit things as I see fit. I have no problem with people expressing horror, it has been a horrible afternoon in Christchurch. But I don’t want that to stray into blaming and inflaming.

  14. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    [Deleted – I don’t want any links to any coverage or material of this despicable person or persons. I don’t want to gibe them the publicity and coverage that they used the murder of people to generate. PG]

    • Gezza

       /  March 15, 2019

      Ok. Understood PG.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 15, 2019

      Of course the effect of this psychopath’s actions will be exactly the reverse of what he wanted.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 15, 2019

        At this stage I’m assuming a lone wolf but did he commit both assaults?

        • Gezza

           /  March 15, 2019

          Police Commissioner on now. “We have four people in custody.” We are pouring defence police emergency resources into that area. We are also setting up a facility so that people can get more information. We don’t have identities of people who have died yet because the affected sites (both mosques are in lockdown). Taking questions.

          Four in custody – 3 men, 1 woman, he believes, atm.
          Has seen the shooters footage, very disturbing shouldnt be in public domain doing everything they can to remove.
          We shouldn’t assume danger is gone. Won’t assume there aren’t others.
          A number of IEDs attached to vehicles they have stopped, made safe by defence personnel.
          A host of comms staff to his left to keep people informed.
          Officers outside Chch being armed as well, not assuming is limited to Christchurch
          Conference over – he has other immediate responsibilities

  15. Corky

     /  March 15, 2019

    So now thanks to this prick all our embassies will be on lockdown. The Kiwi passport won’t be worth shit.
    [Deleted]

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 15, 2019

      May be on an Aussie passport, we don’t know yet.

      • Gezza

         /  March 15, 2019

        Said he’s an Australian and that he intended to stay temporarily but took up residence. I think he will have an Australian passport. Classic white supremacist.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 15, 2019

          The only google hit on his name I found was a personal trainer in Big River (NSW?) in 2010. No doubt the media will be all over him soon.

      • Corky

         /  March 15, 2019

        I hope so, Alan. But I think this incident is already indelibly associated with New Zealand.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 15, 2019

          If Aussie can send back our crooks, can we send back their mass murderers?

          • Gezza

             /  March 15, 2019

            We’ll probably have to. Overseas they shoot them dead and interview them later.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 15, 2019

              I can’t see why an Australian murderer should affect NZ passports.

              I wonder if he chose NZ in part because Aussie police have been armed for decades ?

  16. Conspiratoor

     /  March 15, 2019

    To paraphrase a quote from the shooter (who has been named) from tv1 just now…

    I havent lived in nz long. I chose the country to launch this because it was so ‘target rich’

    • Any country that has millions of people would be ‘target rich’ for cretins who mass murder defenceless innocent people.

    • Corky

       /  March 15, 2019

      Yep, so innocent..and unprepared.

      • Corky

         /  March 15, 2019

        I’ve just heard an ex-police negotiator say he never expected this to happen in New Zealand.
        I find that both astounding..and frightening.

        • I’m astounded that it has happened here. It hasn’t happened in many countries. Sadly it only took a very small number of sick individuals to inflict this on New Zealand. It’s actually the opposite of what you have suggested would happen here.

          • Corky

             /  March 15, 2019

            No, it isn’t, Pete. See below. Its the second cause of what I said would/could probably happen.

            Personally what has happened is no surprise to me. How could it be, the signs of cause and effect can be seen all over the Western World.

        • Corky

           /  March 15, 2019

          Paddy Gower has joined the ranks of those who can’t get their heads around this.

          • Gezza

             /  March 15, 2019

            Could you point me to some post of yours where you predicted some fucken white supremacist aussie mongrel would come to NZ to massacre muslims?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 15, 2019

        I would like to think that you meant that sincerely and not sarcastically, given the things that you have said about Muslims.

  17. phantom snowflake

     /  March 15, 2019

    Plenty of *concern* being expressed on NZ National Front site; for example:

    I am deeply troubled by this. This is ‘bad optics’. I hope and pray that no one in the ethno-nationalist community has had anything to do with this. Because we know what’s coming: Government crackdown, surveillance, increased gun control and an emboldened Antifa harassing us.
    http://www.nationalfront.org.nz/?p=11970#comment-86578

    • Corky

       /  March 15, 2019

      That’s a given..and worse.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  March 15, 2019

        Well I’m certainly not a fan of the “Surveillance State” but it would a relief to so many HARMLESS anti-mining and animal rights activists, for example, to have the so-called Intelligence Agencies turn their attention to actually dangerous people!

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 15, 2019

      And GOOD … JOB!

      Crack down hard on them like we would any other ‘community’ who did this sort of thing.

      Maybe offer amnesty too … for any ‘members’ willing to commit to counselling for their racism

      • Corky

         /  March 15, 2019

        They would already be under watch. Commentators who have lived in Christchurch have stated there has always been groups of Skinners and White Supremacists. One of my rellies just escaped with his life after being stabbed from one back when the Harris Gang was around. Hell, the National Front leader was a regular caller to Willie Jackson and John Tamahere’s talkback show.

        But I would be surprised if they were officially involved in this massacre. The pay-off is not worth it.

        That said, some above have forgotten I have stated numerous times that the other part of the terrorist equation is white Nationalists and the possibility they could snap if they feel they are losing their country because of various reasons.

        • PartisanZ

           /  March 15, 2019

          Serves your purpose either way eh?

          Words cannot express my disgust …

          • Corky

             /  March 15, 2019

            Give it a miss, Parti.

            • PartisanZ

               /  March 15, 2019

              I’m with Patzcuaro down below there Corky …

              “Out, damned spot”

        • Gezza

           /  March 15, 2019

          Buchanan on 1ewes special says he was watching Tarrant on social media and while he was carrying out his attack he was being cheered on by people, including New Zealanders.

  18. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    Aljazeera tv showing Jacinda press conference again. Showning banner saying Police have asked that people not attend mosques anywhere in the country.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  March 15, 2019

      Perhaps the New Zealand community should protect the mosques, so muslims can pray. Adopt a mosque.

  19. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    Hillary Barry says police have confirmed Brenton Tarrant is one of those arrested. Still unclear whether he was the gunman at the Linton Mosque.

  20. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    Jacinda 2nd press conference live now
    7.24 pm

    40 people believed dead.

  21. Patzcuaro

     /  March 15, 2019

    How much culpability do people who railed against Muslims have in this. As minor cogs feeding the hatred that spawned this. Some posters on this blog have blood on their hands.

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 15, 2019

      Could not agree more!

    • Corky

       /  March 15, 2019

      Oh, yeah. The shooters read YNZ. That was a major influence on their actions. Newsflash, these people don’t read blogs that have a handful of people prattling among themselves..and to themselves.

      These people don’t talk shit..the do shit.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  March 15, 2019

        They may not read this blog but people like you provide subtle affirmation for their actions, normalizing their actions and thoughts.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  March 15, 2019

          What cost to New Zealand’s international reputation, it might have been committed by Australians but it happened in Christchurch New Zealand.

        • Corky

           /  March 15, 2019

          You are talking nonsense. I’m really seeing peoples true colours at the moment.

          ”What cost to New Zealand’s international reputation, it might have been committed by Australians but it happened in Christchurch New Zealand.”

          Can you read?

          Corky / March 15, 2019:

          I hope so, Alan. But I think this incident is already indelibly associated with New Zealand.

          • Gezza

             /  March 15, 2019

            What’s being indelibly associated with NZ at the moment on Aljaz tv is that some Aussie racist came to NZ and massacred Muslims here, that our security services maybe missed him, that maybe so did Australia’s, and that our PM and Australia’s PM are horrified that an Australian white supremacist with many views that mirror some of yours came here and did that.

            What’s also being shown is the shock and horror of New Zealanders that someone could come here and do such a thing.

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 15, 2019

        Depends where else you spew your vicious poison racist bile, doesn’t it Corky.

        • Corky

           /  March 15, 2019

          Talk to your mates, Parti. I have explained myself time and again. If you refuse to accept I have valid points too, that’s your problem. Not mine.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  March 15, 2019

            Judging by today it may well be our problem.