Student ‘strikes’ to protest climate change

The student strikes to raise awareness of the dangers to the planet of climate change have already been very successful. They have received a lot of publicity.

The protests will take place today around the country. I’m sure they will get a lot of media attention. More success guaranteed.

The big challenge for students who take part will be to make this more than an event. They somehow have to sustain the attention and pressure on politicians to actually make some sort of a difference in the medium term.

The media may or may not keep feeding the protests.

There were major protests against the TPPA, but they turned out to be ineffective while National were in Government (to an extent they were protests against the Government with the TPPA just a topical excuse. And those protests faded right away when Labour took over Government along with the Greens and NZ First, and when the TPPA morphed slightly into the CTPPA and took effect.

And that was quite a specific target.

Today’s protests seem very general, so it will be easy for politicians to make general nods of support whole doing little to make much difference.

Some young person on RNZ just said he read something from the UK that they are running out of fertile land in thirty years and faced starvation – I wonder if he realises that all the fertile land is not going to suddenly become unfertile. There are legitimate concerns about increasing population and growing demands for food, but food production is unlikely toi suddenly stall.

There has been months of build up, but students need to realise that there protests today are really a beginning, and not a solution.

44 Comments

  1. Patzcuaro

     /  March 15, 2019

    Simon has his blue green tie on

    • Gezza

       /  March 15, 2019

      In my opinion, Lime scooters are actually really cunningly-disguised dork detectors. So, that pic answers that, I believe.

    • Corky

       /  March 15, 2019

      Typical Righties. 25 kph..and not a hair out of place. Stable governance under all conditions.

      • Gezza

         /  March 15, 2019

        No helmets. Look at Simon’s front wheel. Looks a bit wobbly on it.

        • Corky

           /  March 15, 2019

          They don’t need helmets..darling, they use Orchardee Imperiale Black Cream.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 15, 2019

          Turning right I think, Sir Gerald.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 15, 2019

            I can’t see how a facial moisturiser would save anyone in a scooter accident.

          • Corky

             /  March 15, 2019

            That’s RIGHT, Alan.

            • PartisanZ

               /  March 15, 2019

              How do you feel about your opinion being closely aligned to Corky’s Alan? You all RIGHT with that?

            • Come

               /  March 15, 2019

              Come now, Parti. Alan has his own views. Maybe if you want to go down that road, you need to walk into the nearest phone booth ( if you can find one) and change your persona into one more appropriate for those type of churlish comments.👍✔

  2. Gezza

     /  March 15, 2019

    Hordes of Tawa College kids going past in an orderly column, some with back packs, a few even wearing raincoats (it’s raining), heading for Tawa Train Station, accompanied by either teachers or parents or both. They appear to have assembled at school or in the school students’ carpark first. Couldn’t see any signs, but only just noticed them after hearing all the talking.

  3. Finbaar Rustle

     /  March 15, 2019

    The kids will learn more today about life than 6 months of school

  4. Ben Waimata

     /  March 15, 2019

    Food production would suddenly stall if these kids get their wish to end use of fossil fuels. As would their ipads and smart phones, all their imported goods, etc. How do we run modern city lighting, electricity supply, food distribution, water and sanitation, health, education etc without oil? Basically the only way to meet the demands is to return to pre-industrial times, which is clearly not going to happen.

    I love the idealism these kids are bringing forward, and it’s no judgement on them to suggest they don’t have the life experience to understand exactly what they are asking for. It’s just a shame they don’t appear to realise the high standard of living we experience has been built on oil, and at this stage there is no viable alternative energy source to replace it. Nuclear would work, but I would almost prefer return to pre-industrial times. Solar, wind etc have potential, but don’t seem to be there yet. This is a far more complicated issue than merely differing intergenerational viewpoints.

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 15, 2019

      Yes but “these kids” know the direction change must head towards … They know how we must evolve …

      Anything plastic can be made from Hemp.

      Hemp grown on just 6% of America’s arable land would provide ALL that nation’s energy needs.

      Very little ever happens overnight … unless you think the attacks on Pearl Harbour or the Twin Towers were ‘surprises’ …

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 15, 2019

        I believe that it’s the way that plastic’s used, not the plastic itself that is the issue.

        I see green plastic disposable plates being sold for St Patrick’s Day…why ? There are STILL these stupid, one-off things being made.

        The glasses that I am wearing have plastic frames and lenses; if I drop them they won’t break and no animal died to make the frames. The computer is, of course, plastic.

        Without plastic, we’d have no sticking-plaster, pens, sellotape…and I bet that the kids are carrying waterbottles made of it, as I have been doing all summer (mine is one meant for children’s lunch boxes) as well as phones. The pens they write the signs with are plastic. It wasn’t until the late c.19 that fountain pens could be made with the then new synthetic materials; before that, dip pens were as high tech as one could find. To be fair, the later versions could write a lot of words before needing to be redipped. Before that, people had to use quills or pencil. No, thank you.

        I don’t suppose that any of the ones Gezza saw are wearing oilskin raincoats or carrying oiled cotton umbrellas.

        • PartisanZ

           /  March 15, 2019

          Miss Kitty, IMHO Planet Earth is dreadfully ill due to the use of fossil fuels especially oil … one of its principal products being plastic …

          So the issue is as much how plastic is made as how its used … if not more-so.

          All the things you list and everything else currently made from oil-based plastic can be made from hemp-based (and other vegetable-based) plastics.

          Plastics based on growing Hemp have an entirely different carbon footprint … a very much better one …

          • Ben Waimata

             /  March 15, 2019

            Can we harvest hemp using hemp-powered vehicles? Serious question, apologies if it appears sarcastic. There are lots of technologies that are very near but not quite there, like pyrolysis of forest harvest waste, which could theoretically convert forest trash into a stable carbon source stored in the soil for millenia, while generating electricity with near zero emissions. Producing sustainable methane from dairy effluent is another example. Hemp has a lot of uphill battles ahead still, due to the THC cousin paranoia. I’ve often thought about growing it, but put off by the locals out this way with their own version of hemp crops, and the resulting ‘discussions’ over cross-pollination issues (those guys with their high THC female clones do not want low-THC pollen in their crops producing a seeded head and the resultant ‘popcorn’ smoke experience).

            • Gezza

               /  March 15, 2019

              Henry Ford invented a car made from mostly hemp that ran on hemp biofuel.

              Rudolf Diesel’s engine was originally designed to run on plant & seed biofuels.

              https://truththeory.com/2017/02/15/henry-ford-invented-hemp-cars-ran-hemp-fuel/

            • Zedd

               /  March 15, 2019

              please…. Hemp is Cannabis, BUT you cant get high from smoking it & anyone who thinks so, needs a reality check !

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 15, 2019

              What a waste. That caff that has things like hemp butter sounded exciting until they revealed that little flaw.

              The main problem with biofuel and plant fuel is that it uses food that people need AS food.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 15, 2019

            Parti, if we could stop the production of witless things that are used once and then dumped, and use plastic for useful things…I can’t believe that so much junk is still produced. Who needs green plates for St Patrick’s Day ???

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 15, 2019

    A crude attempt at mob rule, that’s all.

    • Blazer

       /  March 15, 2019

      a world of cardboard,cutouts that obey the neo liberal order=Al’s world.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 15, 2019

        No, the cardboard cutouts are marching down the road shouting about stuff they know bugger all about.

  6. PartisanZ

     /  March 15, 2019

    I wonder if the politicians would support students going on strike over ‘school’?

  7. Kitty Catkin

     /  March 15, 2019

    It would be an interesting experiment to see if anyone could live plastic-free,

    They couldn’t have electricity, even if they had the old metal switches; fuses need plastic. Are the wires covered with actual plastic ? I think so.

    They couldn’t have phones, of course, or a car, or even a modern bike.

    They couldn’t wear nylon or carry modern umbrellas or have many appliances (they wouldn’t be able to use them, anyway)

    I very seldom buy things like Gladwrap (one roll lasts for years) or plastic bags (bread and The Listener come in these, no need to buy them) But I don’t know how someone who was plastic-free would keep things dry.

    Think how nice and light modern tools and things like mowers are !

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 15, 2019

      At the risk of sounding repetitive … all these things can be manufactured from plastics made using renewable resources rather than oil …

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 15, 2019

        The problem is, what do we do in the meantime ?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 15, 2019

        The problem is that if they were we couldn’t afford them.

    • Gerrit

       /  March 15, 2019

      Biggest use (or impact ) of oil in everyday life is bitumen for roads. Wonder how many of those children know this fact?

      Concrete roads are an alternative by at huge huge increase in costs. Wonder if those children wont mind their parents and (when they start working life) their own taxes increasing markedly to pay for all the new concrete roads.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 15, 2019

        There are so many obvious things that one overlooks…I didn’t even think of that. Bitumen….tar…how many things are there ? I was mainly thinking of plastics.

        Marley spouting ! Light, never needs painting, lasts for years.

  8. Corky

     /  March 15, 2019

    Meanwhile in Australia..the indoctrination continues. But hold on. I’m told our western education system, especially New Zealand’s. has nothing to do with indoctrination.

    Really? Like rust the Left never sleep.😆

    . Quote:

    ”A NSW public high school teacher who urged students to sign up for an activist-promoted “climate change strike” has been stood down from teaching.

    Greens candidate for Bega Will Douglas attended a daytime youth forum at Moruya Golf Club alongside other politicians last week and urged students “Please, don’t forget March 15, the climate strike”.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/03/greens-teacher-sacked-for-touting-climate-strike/

  9. Zedd

     /  March 15, 2019

    I just got back from the Dn ‘event’ lots of schoolies chanting & singing, but when I asked ‘an organiser’ IF I could ask the crowd ‘who rides the bus & hold up their bus card’ I was told to; ‘STAND DOWN’.. Its their day.!!

    Meanwhile one local pollie got to make a ‘party political broadcast’

    I appreciate they are concerned.. but they were just ‘playing at politics’ IMHO.. 😦

  10. Dennis N Horne

     /  March 15, 2019

    Having a PhD in physical chemistry and thinking you know more than the American Chemical Society is a problem psychiatric rather than political.

    The ACS describes the evidence for AGW as “incontrovertible:.

    But Alan Wilkinson knows better… I don’t think so.More like delusional, or in colloquial language — ****** in the head.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 15, 2019

      You are as idiotic as usual, Dennis. Get help.

  11. wooden goat

     /  March 15, 2019

    I wonder if any of the children protesting today know about the following facts –

    * CO2 content in the atmosphere has (in the past) been as high as over 7,000 ppm (as opposed to around 460 ppm or so today).
    Therefore, those people panicking about earth turning into Venus if it hits 500 ppm or so can relax – if that were the case, it would have *already happened* when the CO2 content was sky-high.
    http://notrickszone.com/2013/05/17/atmospheric-co2-concentrations-at-400-ppm-are-still-dangerously-low-for-life-on-earth/

    * Worried about CO2 “causing” temperature rise? Don’t be.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/09/09/empirical-evidence-shows-temperature-increases-before-co2-increase-in-all-records/

    Probably not.

    • Griff.

       /  March 15, 2019

      Probably not because most kids dont go to crank blogs to get confused by rubbish Kea.

      Therefore, those people panicking about earth turning into Venus

      Is what is called a straw man argument AKA illogical nonsense you made up because you live in lala land.

      When the earths CO2 was at 7,000 ppm the sun was a lot dimmer than it is now.
      There was still tropical palms and large reptiles living at the poles .
      The tropics were devoid of any life.

      As to CO2 has followed temperature in the past.
      It has been known for a century the change in solar radiation from Milankovitch cycles are not sufficient alone to account for glaciation cycles.
      It is the feed back of more CO2 being absorbed by the cooling oceans that allows the earth to get cold enough for a glaciation and oceans expelling CO2 when the cycle reverses that allows us to warm back up.
      Hence,
      That CO2 levels followed temperature in the past does not mean CO2 rising now will not heat the earth in fact it is evidence it will.
      https://sites.google.com/site/thepaleoceneeocenethermalmaxim/2-paleocene-climate/why-earth-s-climate-is-different-today-1/ice-ages-and-the-role-of-co2

      As kids actually study science not go to whacko blogs they are far more aware than a nut case like you who looks at gibberish nonsense on web shites for fucktards.

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