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18 March 2019

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  18th March 2019

    [Don’t make generalised accusations or blame whole groups. PG]

  2. Corky

     /  18th March 2019

    I had the chance to taste this apple. Very sweet, but no character in my opinion.

    I still reckon Fuji and Golden Delicious are the way to go.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12212371

    • unitedtribes2

       /  18th March 2019

      This is a win for free enterprise. The apply industry in NZ suffered with centralised control which committed the industry to decisions made by the apple and pear board who had total control of their lives. The industry was forever in the doldrums with several episodes of mass orchard pull outs.
      Over recent years the industry has flourished with a good dose of free enterprise compared to what it had. John Bostock and people like him should be encouraged.

      • Blazer

         /  18th March 2019

        Apple &Pear board sold off Frucor to Danone for about 50 mil(from memory).
        Within a couple of years Frucor was valued at 5x the selling price.

      • Corky

         /  18th March 2019

        Apple and Pear Board. There’s a name from the past ( for me).

        I remember some of those mass pull outs. The chap I used to work for went seven years straight with no or little profit from his red apples.

        He now just grows peaches and avocados.

        I had three weeks work chainsawing his trees after the digger had uprooted them.

        Stuffed me and my little Solo chain saw.

  3. Corky

     /  18th March 2019

    Big Money. Big problems later in life. The price of keeping the masses entertained .

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/andrew-johns-shock-admission-on-contributing-cause-to-his-epilepsy-20190317-p514zf.html

    • Blazer

       /  18th March 2019

      ‘Johns was also diagnosed with bipolar disorder early in his career in the late 1990s’

  4. Zedd

     /  18th March 2019

    I went for a few ‘Pints of Guinness’ yesterday (St Pats day) As I was waiting at the bus-stop.. 2 Cops walked into a nearby Turkish Kebab shop.. with Glocks on their hips 😦

    Looks like this, could ‘give the Cops the permission’ that many are apparently calling for ?
    we shall see…. 😦

    • Gezza

       /  18th March 2019

      I am sure that the police intention are armed to keep everyone safe from any and all attacks on the public by anyone for any reason.

      • Zedd

         /  18th March 2019

        I hear Gezza 🙂

        hard days ahead….

        • Gezza

           /  18th March 2019

          I had a drive through Tawa Village and past the two primary schools and Tawa College. We do have a few Muslims in the community. There was no sign of any police anywhere so if there is an armed presence here it is not visible.

    • Corky

       /  18th March 2019

      Hard to say, Zedd. Many police people don’t want to be armed. No decision should be made until well after the gun hysteria dies down.

      Police HQ probably doesn’t want officers armed because of the added cost. Police would also need way more training; more than the one hour a year the average copper on the beat receives.

      And going by the Sunday programme, tactical driver training is also inadequate for police personnel at the moment.

      • Zedd

         /  18th March 2019

        what’s happened corky..

        i thought you’d be ‘singing the Alt-right’ Mantra with AW & MrT

        • Corky

           /  18th March 2019

          Everything you see happening at the moment, I have banged on endlessly about for years on this blog. The only thing I have gotten wrong is the order of attack. That matters not, as I have explained before.

          So, I took two days off from posting as I said I would previously, out of respect to the`murdered victims. And after Fridays attack on me from emotional fuckwits I think that was a wise decision. Given I have lost respect for some on this blog I see little point in engaging them. That’s not to say I won’t if I want to.

          Of course these emotional outbursts are because of another point I banged on about-
          ”New Zealand is psychologically ill prepared for a terrorist attack. ”

          Only heartless ghouls are making hay from this situation. Helen Clark, Gang Bangers,
          so called experts who know fug all. Liberals and media going all out on White Supremacists, with no hope now of discussing immigration with any sense of sanity.

          Don’t forget anti gun nutters thinking gun reform will make a difference, and people who think the Crusaders should change their name.

          Worst though are the ’emotion mongers.’ People who blubber and take pictures while hugging each other. They are quite easy to spot amongst genuine mourners who are genuinely upset about this event. The vibe is just different with genuine mourners.

          I have mainly moved on… to thinking about the next batch of victims.. probably
          somewhere in Europe.

          • Gezza

             /  18th March 2019

            The first crusade

            Peter the Hermit led thousands of mostly poor Christians out of Europe in what became known as the People’s Crusade.[35] He claimed he had a letter from heaven instructing Christians to prepare for the imminent apocalypse by seizing Jerusalem. The motivations of this Crusade included a “messianism of the poor” inspired by an expected mass ascension into heaven at Jerusalem. Germany witnessed the first incidents of major violent European antisemitism when these Crusaders massacred Jewish communities in what became known as the Rhineland massacres. In Speyer, Worms, Mainz, and Cologne the range of anti-Jewish activity was broad, extending from limited, spontaneous violence to full-scale military attacks. The Crusaders journeyed, despite advice from Alexios’ to wait for the nobles, to Nicaea. Only 3000 survived an ambush by the Turks at the Civetot.

            The Crusaders embarked on an eight-month siege of Antioch but lacked the resources to fully invest the city; similarly, the residents lacked the resources to repel the invaders. Eventually, Bohemond persuaded a tower guard in the city to open a gate and the Crusaders entered, massacring the Muslim and many Christian Greeks, Syrian and Armenian inhabitants.

            The second crusade

            The loss of Aleppo in 1128 and Edessa (Urfa) in 1144 to Imad ad-Din Zengi, governor of Mosul, led to preaching for what subsequently became known as the Second Crusade. King Louis VII and Conrad III led armies from France and Germany to Jerusalem and Damascus without winning any major victories. As in the First Crusade, the preaching led to attacks on Jews including massacres in the Rhineland, Cologne, Mainz, Worms and Speyer amid claims that the Jews were not contributing financially to the rescue of the Holy Land. Bernard of Clairvaux, who had encouraged the Second Crusade in his preaching, was so perturbed by the violence that he journeyed from Flanders to Germany to deal with the problem.

            The fourth crusade
            Pope Innocent IIIbegan preaching what became the Fourth Crusade in 1200, primarily in France but also in England and Germany.[88] After gathering in Venice, the Crusade was used by Doge Enrico Dandolo and Philip of Swabia to further their secular ambitions. Dandolo aimed to expand Venice’s power in the Eastern Mediterranean, and Philip intended to restore his exiled nephew, Alexios IV Angelos, along with Angelos’s father, Isaac II Angelos, to the throne of Byzantium. …When an insufficient number of knights arrived in Venice, the Crusaders were unable to pay the Venetians for a fleet, so they agreed to divert to Constantinople and share what could be looted as payment. …When the original purpose of the campaign was defeated by the assassination of Alexios IV Angelos, they conquered Constantinople, not once but twice. Following upon their initial success, the Crusaders captured Constantinople again and this time sacked it, pillaging churches and killing many citizens. The Fourth Crusade never came within 1,000 miles of its objective of Jerusalem.

            There’s a lot more to the many crusades than that, but the Crusaders record includes many atrocities.

            • Corky

               /  18th March 2019

              Maybe a name from historical Islamic conquests?

              What about the Crusaders quest for excellence in rugby?

              We have a local club called the Vikings..they could be bad bastards. Get rid of their name?

            • Gezza

               /  18th March 2019

              Crusades used to be called holy wars. As you can see they weren’t entirely holy or even very Christian. Crusader has come to have many meanings. Like Jihad.

            • Gezza

               /  18th March 2019

              We have a local club called the Vikings..they could be bad bastards. Get rid of their name?

              It’s a conundrum. Look at my avatar. Many cultures’ histories & mythologies include respect or even reverence for warriors. I need to think about my avatar.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  18th March 2019

              I’ve walked around Kos – amazing fortifications from the Crusades. And the Greeks still see themselves as the front line against the Turks. The historic wounds cut very deep. Don’t forget the Muslims ruled right across to Spain once. I doubt atrocities were one-sided.

            • Gezza

               /  18th March 2019

              Corky hates anti-semitics. Quite rightly.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  18th March 2019

              Oops, was thinking of Rhodes above, not Kos.

          • Griff.

             /  18th March 2019

          • Zedd

             /  18th March 2019

            what a load of DRIVEL.. this was perpetrated by a White Supremacist NUT-JOB.

            There is all this B-S that ALL Muslims are ‘problem’/Terrorists who we have to fear; the Alarm bells are ringing & Its time to WAKE UP

            • Zedd

               /  18th March 2019

              btw: I forgot: @corky & MrT

            • Corky

               /  18th March 2019

              ”There is all this B-S that ALL Muslims are ‘problem’/Terrorists who we have to fear; the Alarm bells are ringing & Its time to WAKE UP.”

              Yes, it is time you woke up. And stopped posting lies.

            • Zedd

               /  18th March 2019

              scratch off a few layers of skin & we are all the same colour.. the Islamic religion is also ‘an Abrahamic’ one too. you might find that more things are the same than different, if you cast aside all the preconceived HATRED & name calling ?

              ENUF SED :/

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  18th March 2019

              I have read a bit of the Koran and was struck by its similarity to the Bible.

              Given what Corky has posted about Muslims, mostly scaremongering and lies from other, discredited sites and said things like ‘coming to a town near you’ as well as the offensive names he calls them, he did well to stay away and not be here weeping crocodile tears.

              Is one to take it that ‘the order of attack’ that he got wrong was that it was Muslims killed, not, as he frequently suggested, a terrorist attack by NZ’s Muslims who are largely refugees from terrorism ?

            • Zedd

               /  18th March 2019

              ‘Yes, it is time you woke up. And stopped posting lies.’ sez corky

              Lies OR closer to Truth, you just cant F@CKING handle !?

            • Zedd

               /  18th March 2019

              hey corky.. the Qur’an talks about ‘Armed Jihad’ (struggle), being between ‘enemy combatants’ BUT NOT slaughtering Women & CHILDREN !

              Anyone who does this is a extreme TERRORIST !!

              just saying.. 😦 😦 😦

            • Corky

               /  18th March 2019

              Try not to get emotional, Zedd. Show some respect..maybe take a couple of days off like I did..and remember what you wrote:

              ”ENUF SED ”

            • Corky

               /  18th March 2019

              I watched One News tonight. The madness becomes worse. Maori lead a blessing for one of the mosques. Now I don’t mind if that was at the request from Muslims. But wouldn’t Muslims want to do their own blessings and rituals?

              The gun shop owner copped a snide remark for the One News reporter commenting on his woefully inept press conference because he lacked media training.

              Winston has yet to realise he has signed his political death warrant by supporting new gun legislation.

              Conversely I think Jacinda has booked another three years in office on the back of this tragedy. National will have to live with that. It’s a rerun of Bob Parker v Jim Anderton..same city too. Such is fate. Ironically, National will have more time to sort their leadership woes and get rid of deadwood.

            • Corky

               /  18th March 2019

              Update on my question:

              ”What about gun ranges?”

              Well, the one germane to this case has closed according to One News.

              Expect others to go media wide with how they have implemented new procedures to weed out the ”strange ones.” Even if half the strange ones are weekend bs warriors with big mouths who let off steam on the range.

              Yeah, marvellous. Now they will start their own ranges. Geez, anyone’s guess at what will happen now.

            • Zedd

               /  18th March 2019

              @corky

              ‘Try not to get emotional, Zedd.’

              Do you really want me to tell you where you can stick your advice ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  18th March 2019

              I am sure that the Muslims took the blessing in the spirit in which it was offered and were not small-minded enough to refuse it.

            • Gezza

               /  18th March 2019

              Amazing speech thanking New Zealanders following the Maori & Islamic blessings of the mosques today during a press conference to explain the Muslim funeral process and why there are necessary delays. Seems to me the simple answer to the question why did they accept a Maori blessing is that they are Kiwi Muslims. See embedded video.

              Not carried on TV1 but carried live at the time on Al Jazeera tv and possibly TV3?

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111376714/intense-burial-process-ahead-as-first-christchurch-mosque-shooting-victims-bodies-released-to-families

            • Corky

               /  18th March 2019

              Remember this , Zedd?

              ”what’s happened corky..i thought you’d be ‘singing the Alt-right’ Mantra with AW & MrT”

              Poorly set out bait. But I humoured you with a reply knowing how things would end. And so it was. You have no interest debating things around this tragedy. You are only interested in scoring cheap points.

              Please join another master of this art, Kitty, on the sidelines. Prattle all you want with someone who cares. I’m not interest. Bye!

            • Zedd

               /  18th March 2019

              oh dear….. 😦

  5. unitedtribes2

     /  18th March 2019

    5 out of 5 Pete
    Is nothing else happening in the world
    Dose Trump no longer collude with the Russians
    Would someone tell me when I can turn the radio on again

    • Gezza

       /  18th March 2019

      Nothing to stop you submitting a guest post on something else or posting a comment anything else you want to discuss here, is there?

  6. Zedd

     /  18th March 2019

    …upon us ALL, a little Rain must fall… 😦

    • Zedd

       /  18th March 2019

      now that’s… some great guitar playing 🙂

  7. Zedd

     /  18th March 2019

    An ‘Alt version’ of stairway 🙂

  8. duperez

     /  18th March 2019

    Senator Fraser Anning said his words were “taken out of context.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/111367338/out-of-context-fraser-anning-says-comments-after-christchurch-shooting-have-been-twisted

    “The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

    Okay Fraser, 50 people were slaughtered in Christchurch. There’s a context for us. That real bloodshed is down to our immigration program? An immigration policy which allowed an Australian in?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th March 2019

      How dare he call these people fanatics when they were anything but and had left places where there was extremist violence ?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th March 2019

        Even if they WERE what he said….they were the ones slaughtered by one of HIS people. So what point is he trying to make ? That his countryman was just trying to rid the world of fanatics ?

  9. lurcher1948

     /  18th March 2019

    This is NZ thank you australia lower case pissant country says it all

  10. lurcher1948

     /  18th March 2019

    Can someone ban the OLD FART chuck bird from all media,day and night his whining Canadian voice grates on the radio,his latest hobby horse is a gun buyback,the host actually sighed when he came on as he goes on and on and on and his whiny Canadian accent turns most of infact when chuck’s not calling Jacida SLG he actually sounds thick

  11. Corky

     /  18th March 2019

    Let’s hope tomorrow everyone will let the Islamic community grieve in peace. I think they get the message NZ cares, and they have expressed gratitude for the help they have received.

    But we can’t do their grieving for them. At this time they don’t need a microphone stuck under their noses, or another group of strangers flooding in.

    Let them have time to themselves to grieve in peace and remember loved ones.

    Similar to Sir Howard Morrison’s tangi where non family members got the boot at 10 pm each night so the family could have Sir Howard to themselves.