Open Forum – Wednesday

20 March 2019

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  1. Corky

     /  20th March 2019

    Things people are spouting about without giving the subject matter some thought.

    [Deleted spouting that I don’t want to give any thought to here. PG]

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    • lurcher1948

       /  20th March 2019

      {Deleted] The Australian whom will never be named came to New Zealand (to train for his planned massacre) WHO DID HE COME HERE TO TRAIN…WITH who??

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  20th March 2019

        Just call him NoName.

        He probably hoped to find kindred spirits when he got here.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  20th March 2019

        Presumably the unsuspecting members of the gun club and gym he joined.

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  2. Ray

     /  20th March 2019

    It will be interesting to see what Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and his Party make of the 100% takeover of Westland dairy.
    They have bitterly opposed the 49% takeover of Silver Farms but with their foot having to be on the soft pedal regarding their past stance on Muslim immigration it could be tricky….not that has ever stopped Winston.
    Local farmers have been very happy with Yili who are an Inner Mongolian company and I imagine West Coast share holders who will get their share money back with a 10 year guaranteed match of Fonterra’s price will see that as a win, win situation, as will their bankers! Half a million dollars on average.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  20th March 2019

      Inner Mongolia and Westland seem to have isolation in common, it could be a marriage made in the boondocks.

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  3. Mother

     /  20th March 2019

    Dear YourNZ,
    Several people came after me yesterday re Jacinda playing dress ups ‘for’ our Muslim people. Finally, Kitty’s incessant nitpicking of me ceased when she admitted that any PM would have sympathy for any group of grieving Kiwis and that it would have nothing to do with spiritual beliefs.

    Joe, Adam, Blazer and Maureen have also been unable to ignore my posts. I have been called a liar, a troll and evil. My postings have been described in a variety of derogatory ways.

    For clarification, I sometimes give back a little cheek. (The regulars do it frequently.) However, I am never trying to provoke. I have no agenda but to speak my mind as an individual.

    I call out the rudeness. Some come out in force to attack a Christian. This is unacceptable in our country. Surely we are Kiwis together and part of our ideology is that individuals are respected when they grieve.

    If you are unwilling to debate an issue because you think my posts are incoherent or unnecessary then please do not troll. The incessant attacks threaten free speech for others. Few people can be bothered with such foolishness. If you are reacting in anger, then your emotional needs should be dealt with privately, away from social media.

    The three main issues to come from my activity as a poster at this time are –

    – We are losing the secularity of our society.**

    – Some people get angry when I personally state that my hope is in Jesus Christ.

    – My earlier statements re Kiwis being confused about Christianity are confirmed. My efforts to comfort and encourage are hated by some and respected by some.

    Again, I finish on a positive note –
    Christianity is for the individual. Other religions force individuals into group think. A little bit of Christianity, if you choose, is better than none. In this way, Kiwis may be able to stem the tide of how we are losing the plot. We might be able to really grasp hold of Kiwi ideology and ensure that nothing like last Friday’s atrocities occur again. We actually owe that to our Muslim people. We also owe it to all future Kiwi children.

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    • Mother

       /  20th March 2019

      ** When media sensationalism is strong while government spiritualise Muslim’s grief and opposition are afraid to show solidarity for our secularism, we know we are losing it.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  20th March 2019

        I have no idea what makes you think that I incessantly nitpick; it’s the other way round. You have become a troll who has, for whatever reason, chosen me in particular to troll, make nasty comments about and attribute words and thoughts to that bear no relation to anything I say or think.

        Please stop this. It’s extremely rude, if nothing else. To say that I ‘admitted’ something gives an opinion a different shade of meaning.

        I have stood up for you in the past; never again.

        You are a very poor example of the religion you profess to believe.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  20th March 2019

      My sentiments exactly, religion is very personal and should be kept that way.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  20th March 2019

    On a nearby rightwing blog the catchcry is “Ardern the liar” a new phrase could be “Bridges the teller of porkies” catchy i think
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111387780/national-say-junior-staffer-deleted-un-global-compact-petition-in-light-of-shooting

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    • Corky

       /  20th March 2019

      Newsflash, Lurchy. You may have to include Whaleoil in your daily rants. They seem to have received a boost with the present crisis.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  20th March 2019

    Meanwhile, on whaleoil the altright are pandering to the rightwingers who have flocked there,hatred continues as usual

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  6. Kitty Catkin

     /  20th March 2019

    I was in Auckland and saw Lime scooters in action. Not many, thank goodness, but they are very unnerving as they seem to appear from nowhere, coming straight at one. Instinct makes one jump to one side.I hate having them coming up behind me.Why can’t they be obliged to go on the outside of the pavement and not be a nuisance to pedestrians ?

    I don’t remember seeing so many other types of scooter and skateboard in the CBD, even skateboards on the road.

    One fool had a child in front of him on the Lime.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  20th March 2019

      $18 an hour to use a Lime, according to Stuff. It would be cheaper to take taxis.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  20th March 2019

    Driving back from the BIG dog walk with the wife and dogs listening to ZB and this VERY INTENSE 12 strength(coffee)rightwinger said why are we grieving 50 muslims in Christchurch when say 100 Christians were killed by muslims in Nigeria He sounded slightlly wacky as rightwingers sound and i thought(thats scary) RIGHTY what you should have SAID”100 Christian Nigerians killed were by X number Muslim Nigerians BUT if the KILLER CAME FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY IE AUSTRALIA you would grieve to,so the STUPID RIGHT, the knuckle draggers don’t realise a feral short AUSTRALIA CARRIED OUT A MASSACRE in our country AND THIS SHORTARSE WHITE SUPREMACIST ISNT CHRISTIAN hes a damn JEDDI or a SPAGHETTI LORD FOLLOWER
    BEING a rightwinger or being a white supremacist means you are a special STUPID PERSON and ring talk back and inform the whole country

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  20th March 2019

    This case worries me. I don’t believe sharing a video of a real event should be grounds for prosecution. Presumably under the US Constitution it could not be. Prosecuting this guy for being an arsehole or advocating harm to others is fine but not just uploading a real event, especially when it was not censored till later. This would preclude giving it to the media for which presumably a number of people could and should be equally liable to be prosecuted. I would like to see this charge dismissed.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214672

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    • Gezza

       /  20th March 2019

      Given his previous offence and statement quoted “White power, my friends, my family, my people. Let’s get these f***ers out. Bring on the cull.” I imagine that or similar statements may have tipped the balance.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  20th March 2019

        He should be prosecuted for those actions and intentions, not for just uploading a video. This is really bad law. Plus I wouldn’t trust our chief censor as far as I could kick him. He’s an authoritarian crusader.

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        • Gezza

           /  20th March 2019

          It’s a very minimal piece of reporting. Dunno how much went on there that isn’t reported. I’m not overly bothered by his troubles. I’m more bothered by the massacre.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  20th March 2019

            The massacre will become history. The law won’t.

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            • Gezza

               /  20th March 2019

              He will.

            • Gezza

               /  20th March 2019

              I just had another look at the article. It says “A Christchurch businessman has appeared in court on charges of distributing footage of one of the mosque shootings.”

              It says also that the public gallery was cleared. Quite possible this might be a case where details have been suppressed, including that the details have been suppressed, as has happened before. So we don’t know what kind of sites he uploaded them to and what if any commentary accompanied them.

              I guess possibly the same argument could be made uploading kiddie porn if you’re not actively participating in it should be allowed but I’d hate to think anyone was arguing that.

              It also indicates more than one charge. I don’t know exactly how many charges he would be facing, under what legislation, and precisely what they are for. Perhaps you can list them? If not, it seems somewhat premature to claim it’s bad law on so little evidence and knowledge.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  20th March 2019

              It’s not the only article. The police were threatening to prosecute anyone who uploaded the video and saying the law didn’t care if you did it before it was classified.

            • Gezza

               /  20th March 2019

              Oh, I haven’t seen that. Do you have a link? I like to see that.
              But it still doesn’t change that we don’t know what we don’t know.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  20th March 2019

              I think it was in the Herald in the last day or two but I’m hitting the sack now. Here’s one link: https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111434154/common-sense-to-apply-on-shooting-video–but-dont-go-looking-for-it

            • Gezza

               /  20th March 2019

              Yes that does appear pretty draconian if just viewing it is illegal whether it’s been classified as illegal yet or not. I note the enforcement focus is supposed to be on those sharing and distributing it though, so I will wait to see what if any further details come out. It – or a minute or two of it – was still appearing in tweets on Twitter the following day from memory – I only discovered that when I viewed what was trending – although they were rapidly removed.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  20th March 2019

    View this collection on Medium.com
    Trump and the west and TURKEY….thanks tRump…soon to move on or REALLY move on what ever comes sooner

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    • Corky

       /  20th March 2019

      Trumpy may make Brazil part of NATO. Brush up on your Portuguese, Lurchy. That’s how their department of agriculture replied to me. Google translate was a waste of time.
      I hear Brazilians like dogs. Dogs like this.. I’m sure they would want to meet RED.

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      • Corky

         /  20th March 2019

        ps- there is No dog fighting in this clip.

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      • Blazer

         /  20th March 2019

        couple of those,a few semi automatics in the compound,throw in a Hummer(black one)and its Corky ‘Heaven’!

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      • Griff.

         /  20th March 2019

        Trumpy may make Brazil part of NATO.

        North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
        We know you worship the great gibbering orange twat.
        Trump is not NATO and can not make Brazil part of it unless the rest of NATO agrees.
        Which I very much doupt .

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        • Corky

           /  20th March 2019

          Well, paint me red. Who would have guessed, not me? Maybe he will implement some other type of agreement.

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  10. duperez

     /  20th March 2019

    I believe (as you’d expect) schools are careful and wary of talking about the Christchurch massacres. There are as many perspectives, understandings and ability to comprehend as there are children. Their exposure to news coverage will vary dramatically as will the handling and discussion of events.

    I found this post somewhere tonight. It suggests the difficulty kids must have making sense of things given I think it is from an adult.

    “Jacinda, his name is Brenton Tarrant. Your sanctimonious grandstanding by claiming you will never say his name is pathetic and smacks of cultish indoctrination.
    As the person in charge of the SIS and GCSB, don’t you think it’s your job to say his name when the topic arises?
    Or will you farm out the sin of saying his name to someone less pure, like Andrew Little?
    Grow up you silly little girl, you’re embarrassing yourself.
    Practice saying his name a few times; I promise the sky will not fall.
    Brenton Tarrant
    Brenton Tarrant
    Brenton Tarrant”

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    • Corky

       /  20th March 2019

      Wrong narrative. Jacinda has done a Jimi Hendrix…painted herself into a corner with her actions and conduct. People will forever expect to to act like that in future. Any attempt to crack the mould will end badly for her.

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      • Corky

         /  20th March 2019

        *her*

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      • duperez

         /  20th March 2019

        Those with normal intelligence will recognise circumstances and put things into context.
        The haters, unreasonable and idiots will continue with their normal transmission. She’s been painted how they want to depict her and where they want her to be.

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        • Corky

           /  21st March 2019

          ‘Those with normal intelligence will recognise circumstances and put things into context.’

          Hmm …

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