Open Forum – Friday

22 March 2019

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  1. David

     /  22nd March 2019

    Book banning book seller Whitcoulls has removed Jordan Petersons 12 rules for life which is a book about living a better life in light of the Christchurch thing, no explanation why or what on earth the connection is. Book burning author Adolf Hitlers Mein Kamf is still available from them.
    The inevitable outcome from all this bollocks will be a backlash, there always is and it that will cause more anger and hatred the exact opposite of what well meaning fools are trying to achieve. This decision will have been made by someone who,s main motivation will be to show off to their friends and peers how “woke” they are.

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    • Gezza

       /  22nd March 2019

      The connection is a published photo of Jordan Peterson with his arm around a fan in Auckland who is wearing black T-shirt prominently saying “I’m a proud ISLAMOPHOBE”. It was drawn to their attention. The photo has now been removed from the OMGVP website which displays images of other fans photographed with Peterson.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  22nd March 2019

      Peterson is a shameless huckster and an intellectual snake-oil salesman who profits off the pathetic anger of misogynists, white men, and the Alt-Right.

      Which are you David? A misogynist? an angry white man? or Alt-Right?

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      • David

         /  22nd March 2019

        Just a person with a different opinion from yours Joe.
        Probably not a misogynist I love women but let me check with my lawyer, accountant, property manager, real estate agents, IT person who are all very accomplished and talented women, my very talented wife who,s career I have supported, my sister whose very successful software company I invested in and my many many female friends.
        Angry..not at all bit too successful and happy with my life to get to angry over much, find it a non productive emotion.
        Alt right…lazy label thrown around by folk with no argument who are incredulous that the world doesnt think the way they do and use it to explain an electoral loss.

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  2. Finbaar Rustle

     /  22nd March 2019

    We need to stop hiding behind political rhetoric.
    The events a week ago are driven by one factor and one factor alone.
    Regardless of race religion politics it’s always a male driven event.
    Wars, oppression inequality injustice it’s always male driven.
    It’s never women driven.
    Angry male syndrome what can we do about it?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd March 2019

      Do you have angry males in your family? What do you do about it?

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      • Finbaar Rustle

         /  22nd March 2019

        Although I am a genius there is only so much a genius can do.

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        • Mother

           /  22nd March 2019

          All the dying PCANZ fellowships got together on Sunday in one area to talk about survival tactics. I wonder how all those past individuals who gave their all, but were discarded, feel.

          The leaders reckoned that numbers were down for this unusual meeting because some would be at a vigil for the atrocity.

          I don’t know how they reconcile the truth that prayer to Jesus together finds help whereas some chose to stay away to attend a different sort of vigil.

          There doesn’t seem to be any geniuses in the PCANZ. Really sad at a time like this.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd March 2019

          Usually it doesn’t require genius. Just a good example and demonstrative love and support.

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  3. Mother

     /  22nd March 2019

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/christchurch-attacks-were-form-christian-terrorism-well-racial-hatred-says-religion-expert?variant=tb_v_1

    Followers of Christ are never terrorists.

    The murderer was motivated by political worries and he embraced Norse mythology.

    Statements such as Mr Pratt’s serve to divide and confuse.

    We need a secular society. The media’s fixation on spiritual matters is harmful.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd March 2019

      Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition ? The reign of Bloody Mary ? Cromwell ? Ruby Ridge ? Waco ?

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  22nd March 2019

      Look i know where you are coming from ‘mother’ in that true followers of christs teachings would never harm another human being. In stark contrast to the prophet mohammad post medina. But methinks you have chosen the wrong platform to promote these views.

      No offence but do you think your time on earth might be wasted here amongst these heathens?

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  4. Mother

     /  22nd March 2019

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/destinys-brian-tamaki-strongly-denounces-use-islamic-call-prayer-victims-christchurch-terror-attacks

    Presumably if praying to one particular god in the public environment is acceptable to the masses, no body will mind when I state that Jesus Christ is the Victor.

    Good on Mr Tamaki in this instance. I don’t like the cult tendencies of Destiny, but I appreciate him calling out this social discrepancy. After today, we really need to continue focussing on what unites.

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  5. Corky

     /  22nd March 2019

    Seems many are feasting off this tragedy. How disingenuous in some cases. Politicians, emotion mongers, grand-standers, rubber neckers, businesses and satanists…and many more.

    Now this. It takes the cake in my opinion.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215196

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  6. Mother

     /  22nd March 2019

    https://nzpca.co.nz/for-that-i-cant-say-that-im-sorry-heartbreaking-message-to-christchurch-mosque-killer/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FZUSuC+%28NZPCA%29

    We have become a very emotional and spiritually aware nation, and political agendas are being pushed in dangerous non secular fashion.

    Some believe that the murderer aided individuals into a martyr’s death. I think he simply, atrociously and cowardly committed a hate crime. It has left Kiwis distraught and vulnerable.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd March 2019

      If it gives someone a degree of comfort to think that about the martyr’s death (which it was in the sense of it being because of their beliefs) then I am happy for them to think that..

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  7. Mother

     /  22nd March 2019

    https://nzpca.co.nz/for-that-i-cant-say-that-im-sorry-heartbreaking-message-to-christchurch-mosque-killer/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FZUSuC+%28NZPCA%29

    We have become a very emotional and spiritually aware nation, and agendas are being pushed in dangerous non secular fashion.

    Some believe that the murderer aided individuals into a martyr’s death. I think he simply, atrociously and cowardly committed a hate crime. It has left Kiwis distraught and vulnerable.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  22nd March 2019

    So much hatred on a nearby rightwing blog the sound of gnashing teeth, knuckles dragging and heads knocking together, was deafening, the poor buggers know with Simon 5%Bridges he isnt cutting the mustard and Jacinda Arderm is Nobel Peace prize material…it hurts right righties

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd March 2019

      I don’t believe that she is Nobel Prize material.

      It’s hard to imagine that any PM would not have gone there and condemned the atrocity.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  22nd March 2019

    [That’s not going to help you here. PG]

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    • lurcher1948

       /  22nd March 2019

      Everyone wants to know my discretion PG….YOU TEASER,im feel tired today 3 dogs wear you out

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  22nd March 2019

        There’s a new dog down the road; the sweetest little bulldog. He won’t be any threat to RED and JESS in agility tests, his legs are too short and always will be.

        I was at a house where they had to tie the bulldog up when people were there, as it was so friendly that it ran at people and knocked them over. I went a bit too close and the enthusiastic welcome was like being hit by a cannonball. I managed to keep my feet, but only just.

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  10. Corky

     /  22nd March 2019

    Tattoos cost a bro a job at Air New Zealand, even though they wouldn’t be visible under his uniform.

    I think Air New Zealand was thinking of the future. Had he had further tats while employed it would have been a legal nightmare to remove him from his job. Given he has gone to The Human Rights Commission, I think Air New Zealand has made the right decision.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2019/03/air-new-zealand-s-tattoo-policy-doesn-t-make-sense-rejected-application.html

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  11. harryk

     /  22nd March 2019

    I don’t know the NZ blogging community so I’d like to enquire if anyone here is a history enthusiast? While researching historical production stats in the archives last year I found considerable new material on the Kiwis who followed the gold rushes to West Oz in the 1890s, and many good stories and ballads written by them on the WA fields. Maori’s Reward, Pakeha Gully and suchlike names appear on the old maps.

    eg ‘The Jamboree of Tom the Rat’ about a fight at a pub on the Reefton road between a drunk Irishman, a Dutchman and a Cockatoo. I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else. A sample –

    Twas in Maoriland the wondrous where the bowelled earth’s oft thundrous,
    Twas the Reefton road they travelled in that jolting coach so wet,
    And as Arnold’s Bridge they passed o’er that old black familiar eyesore,
    Some diversion for their jaded frames and bushtired eyes they met.

    For at roadside pub the roughest bossed by Dutchman Hans the toughest …

    Has any reader with knowledge of colonial period NZ gold mining history ever come across this?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd March 2019

      No, thank goodness; it’s terrible. The bowelled earth ???

      I remember learning about the Gold Rush at school and finding it fascinating.

      I have a c.19 book of NZ ‘poems’ (sic) by someone calling themselves Roslyn. They are dire, but to my amazement go for good prices online. Mine came from an opshop.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  22nd March 2019

        Herself Roslyn, I mean. It’s obvious that a woman wrote them, and it’s known who she was.

        She and her family were in Thames when gold was being found there in the c.19.

        Look up ‘poems by ‘Roslyn’. I think her real name was Margaret Sinclair.

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        • harryk

           /  22nd March 2019

          ‘it’s terrible’

          It was the 1890s. Worse was to come. The Boer Wars for example. He was a prospector, not a Professor of English Lit.

          Not a woman either. It was written by an Irish born man from NZ who worked on the West Australian diggings in the 1890’s. The fight at the pub on the Reefton road began-

          Now the pair had started friendly glass for glass they both drank kindly,
          Until Hans’ loosened tongue exclaimed ‘My goot frent Dom te Rad’
          Which the Galway man so nettled hairtriggered and unsettled,
          That he landed one on Dutchy with ‘You pockmarked swine take that!’

          A miner using the same pen name ‘Brogden’ wrote a short story about a callow, immoral youth banished by his family to a Christian Mission to Maoris for the betterment of his soul. Sadly his previous tendencies could not be so easily shaken and he plays the field with Maori gals. Determined to keep him faithful, one of them exacts on him an advanced Lorena Bobbitt type surgery, Peter becomes Pita, and on a visit by schooner to the Mission, his mother disowns him/her. Christianity and interracial transgender sex, a bold subject for the 1890s. As always, NZ authors leading the way…

          He had a most unusual editor to promote him, born in Cork educated in NZ, who justified his promotion of miners’ literature –

          ‘The Australasian and the Anglo-Saxon cannot live without sport, while both these races, if such differentiation can be made, welcome the refining influence of music and the drama. We have always found that in the diversity of humanity gathered on a
          goldfield there are certain to be votaries of both these arts. It shall be our duty to develop local talent in these relations to the end that we do not allow our finer feelings to retrograde in the sordid race for gold, and also that those gifted by nature may edify or amuse their less fortunate fellows.’

          So. Lighten up and be edified.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd March 2019

            I have two degrees, mainly in English Literature, and doggerel is painful to read, especially when the scansion is wobbly,

            Yes, they are interesting from the viewpoint of history and context, but from the standpoint of poetry they are agonising to read if one has any ear at all for poetry.

            Bad prose is bad enough, but bad poems (sic) are almost worse.

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            • harryk

               /  23rd March 2019

              ‘Bad prose is bad enough, but bad poems (sic) are almost worse.’

              1890s. Written by kerosene lamp in the popular balladeering style and language of the period by the few who could write, meant to be recited because many/most miners couldn’t read, entertainment to help them forget that tomorrow they could die from dysentery or any number of accidents. There was no sanition on the goldfields and little water. The editor himself died from dysentery age 38. Water didn’t arrive until 1903, The pipeline’s engineer also came via NZ. As I wrote, the history of New Zealanders on the West Oz goldfields, reflected in their contemporary literature, has yet to be written.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Y._O%27Connor

              ‘Thus it came that I got down from the coach at Kelly’s Creek on the Hokitika Christchurch road with the intention of striking west across the range to the works which I knew were then in progress at Lake Hochstetter to supply the valley of Nelson Creek with sluicing water. I was confident of my powers as a bushman to find my way, and had been told that Bell Hill, from which the lake could be seen, was conspicuous enough to be seen from the eastern slope of the main range. It was not.’

              Quoted from the writing of an anonymous NZ miner in a short story commissioned for a small WA Goldfields paper prior to Federation entitled Three Christmas Dinners in NZ.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd March 2019

              That doesn’t make doggerel not doggerel.

              Many great writers had to write with quill pens by candlelight.

              Something may have historical interest, but not be good literature. That last piece is well written, but I suspect that the writer was not a working class miner, unless the work was heavily edited.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd March 2019

              They must have had some source of water or they’d have died of thirst.

            • harryk

               /  24th March 2019

              ‘They must have had some source of water or they’d have died of thirst’

              Many did indeed do a perish. Some kidnapped indigenous Wongi, tied them up and forced them to reveal their water sources.

              The ‘working class’ you refer to was only just starting to become part of goldfields discourse in 1890, as was the notion of a union. The NZ miners were independent prospectors, risk takers who wanted to get rich. Socialism was for losers.

              The ballad you dismiss as ‘doggerel’ was written in the cadences of Anglo Irish, probably by a man whose mother tongue was Gaelic not English. There must have been many such men. Likewise there were Scots miners who wrote in the Scots English dialect of Burns. The author of The Jamboree of Tom the Rat shows considerable rhetorical skill, worthy of academic study. The tall tale in verse, the humorous balladeering genre of the day he wrote in had it’s own conventions and usually ended with a punch-line. The author however is keen to make an altogether different point, that the pugilistic Tom the Rat is laid low not by his opponent but by ‘the trifling unforseen’ – a Cockatoo. In other words, pay attention to detail. The miners would have understood, their lives depended on it.

              Anyway, this is NZ literature and history, not really West Australian. I would have hoped for more interest from Kiwis.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th March 2019

              I am amazed that any Irishman had such a poor ear for poetry.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th March 2019

              I know what a ‘Cockatoo’ is; do you ?

  12. lurcher1948

     /  22nd March 2019

    waiting waiting wait the blues are playing…thoughts are diverted

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd March 2019

      I’ll never get used to singing the blues…..

      Will your third dog gymnast be called BLUES ?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd March 2019

      Be happy the Blues won at last, Lurch.

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