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23 March 2019

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  23rd March 2019

    The Boeing 737 Max 8, the glorious greed of corporate America….bringing death to their customers
    https://t.co/n19fckWg4Q
    a good read,into dodge practices

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    • unitedtribes2

       /  23rd March 2019

      It was a simple process to override the auto trim system, two switches. Both the airlines in question hired pilots with low flying hours to save costs. There is suggestions in the industry that their experience could have been even further embellished. The pilots records apparently indicate that they had only done 200 hours. The pilot I was talking to yesterday who operate these planes suggest experienced pilots would not have crashed.

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2019

      Next time use a balloon if Boeing upsets you that much, Lurchy.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  23rd March 2019

      So paying $80000 more the plane wouldnt have crashed…AMERICAN BOEING GREED MAGA they are not white whats the problem right righty

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  23rd March 2019

    Why our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
    https://www.indy100.com/article/jacinda-ardern-nobel-peace-prize-new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-8835041
    Making NZ proud again

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2019

      She hasn’t actually made peace, though. There was no war going on. Everyone involved deserves equal praise, especially Abdul ‘Anyone would have done it”.* who took on the gunman UNARMED and the police who arrested NoName 36 minutes after he began the massacre.

      The PM had all the publicity, but many other people did as much and more.

      * No, anyone wouldn’t have done it. I know nobody who would have such courage, I haven’t.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  23rd March 2019

        I don’t think that her actions justify the Nobel Prize.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  23rd March 2019

          VERY negative today Kitty?no Aroha in your life,but our little blog community is here

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd March 2019

            I don’t see that she brought peace to a wartorn place or did the things that this prize is awarded for. She expressed sympathy, as did millions of others. It’s not negative to say the obvious, that she didn’t act as a peacemaker, because she didn’t. We’re not at war, we don’t have a situation like Northern Ireland or Burma. There was no peacemaking done because there was no conflict to make peace in.

            She, of course, had much more publicity than anyone else. But the people who drove others to hospital, gave first aid to the injured, brought food and drink to the survivors, helped people to escape and went out of their way to offer kindness and practical support did much more.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  23rd March 2019

      Yep, Obama got one and didn’t even have to wear a scarf.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  23rd March 2019

    From a nearby rightwing attack blog…..
    David Garrett
    DigNap: Sadly a revenge attack is now a matter of when and not if.
    Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0 LOG IN TO REPLY REPORTMARCH 23, 2019 9:01AM
    By the number of upticks the right appear to be hoping,maybe theres another Australian out there waiting

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  23rd March 2019
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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  23rd March 2019

    Our lunatic Chief Censor has now banned the homicidal maniac’s manifesto.

    This is intolerable censorship and Shand should be sacked. I have no wish to read it but those interested in security, history and political affairs must be able to access and read relevant material. Shand must go.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  23rd March 2019

      I agree Alan, it’s absolute bullshit. Censoring the video is one thing, but when the written word is being prohibited because somebody doesn’t like what is written, something is seriously wrong. Shand can GFH.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  23rd March 2019

        The guy is a zealot half-wit. I can only guess he was appointed because no-one else wanted the job. They should fire him and abolish the job.

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    • Reseachers can probbly still get or hold copies.

      “It’s just a classic alt-right piece of garbage,” US writer David Neiwert​ says of the manifesto. “Nobody should bother actually reading it.”

      Neiwert has been reporting on white supremacy for decades, long before it found a home online. He also recognises the familiar language of homeland and violent resistance.

      His 2017 book, Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump, showed how far-right groups that had festered on the margins were legitimised by Trump’s election in 2016, but it was no overnight story. Conspiracy theorists, the Right-wing Tea Party movement and alternative media figures like Alex Jones helped to lay the foundations.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111387889/radical-losers-and-lone-wolves-what-drives-the-altright

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  23rd March 2019

        Why? What does the law say?

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        • 44 Applications for exemption

          (1) Where any publication has been classified under this Act as an objectionable publication or a restricted publication, any person may apply to the Classification Office for an exemption from the provisions of this Act in respect of that publication.

          (2) Every application shall be in the form provided for that purpose by the Chief Censor and shall be accompanied by the prescribed fee (if any).
          (3) On receiving an application under this section in relation to a publication, the Classification Office,—

          (a) after taking into account the matters referred to in section 3; and

          (b) if it is satisfied that the publication should be made available to a limited class of persons or to a particular person for educational, professional, scientific, literary, artistic, or technical purposes,—

          may exempt that class of persons or that person from the provisions of this Act in respect of that publication for such period as the Classification Office thinks fit.

          http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0094/latest/DLM313491.html

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  23rd March 2019

            Disgusting. We are now divided into classes of persons by the Chief Censor.

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            • Kimbo

               /  23rd March 2019

              So you see no merit whatsoever in taking steps to deny the perpetrator the oxygen of attention and notoriety…at least at this time?

              I would suggest that one of the factors that has encouraged mass shootings has not been so much lax gun laws, but the wall-to-wall attention given by the media and other distribution sources, including at subsequent trial. Narcissists love attention, so best to deny it to them, and discourage other narcissists from doing the same.

              If in, say, a year or so time it is still restricted to most who apply under the provision of the act (which was drafted, I would suggest, to cover the legitimate activities of child pornography researchers – see how Pete Townsend of the Who got into strife), then we have a problem.

            • Kimbo

               /  23rd March 2019

              …and what do you think about people accessing the video coverage of the shootings? I realise you err on the side of freedom with explicit constitutional boundaries to protect those freedoms – and fair enough – but usually everyone draws the line somewhere. Am interested to know where yours lies, and why you drew it there, and if what is in effect a snuff movie applies?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              I’ve already commented on the video. There is zero evidence it is harmful because the reaction to the event has been the opposite of his intent. Moreover it may show heroism in the face of evil as well as giving viewers insight into how to detect, react and protect themselves from terrorism.

              I can understand banning snuff movies designed to profit from atrocities but this is not in that category.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              @Kimbo, it won’t make an iota of difference to the attention he gets and which he is already blocked from reading or seeing.

            • Kimbo

               /  23rd March 2019

              @ Alan Wilkinson

              I can understand banning snuff movies designed to profit from atrocities but this is not in that category

              No, the perpetrator did intend to “profit” from filming and distributing what he did, albeit not for commercial purposes. All the more reason, perhaps, to deny him what he wants. For the moment at least.

              And no, the ban is not just to deny him. It is also to discourage copycats by demonstrating the personal notoriety and attention they may seek to gain will be minimised to the fullest extent possible.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              As noted before it won’t make an iota of difference to his overall coverage, it will block his critics but not his followers and it will disempower NZers from learning from history. It’s plain idiotic.

            • Kimbo

               /  23rd March 2019

              Not so sure about that.

              There is a natural news cycle during which maximum coverage is sought and given. That will rise and fall until some time after his trial and/or once the findings of the security report are digested. Anything that can be done to hasten the end of that cycle, or minimise the impact of the publicity speeds up the process by which this person becomes another anecdote of terrorist history rotting away for the rest of his pathetic existence in a prison cell.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              His manifesto won’t make a blind bit of difference to that cycle. It will be driven by events.

            • Kimbo

               /  23rd March 2019

              Er, discussion and dissemination of the manifesto are events, so minimising them reduces the impact, and gives fewer of the lurid details over which to obsess. Hence less likelihood of a copycat in future wanting to fame-whore on the back of a similar attrocity.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              There won’t be any minimising. NZ media have already done their thing with the manifesto and overseas media will be unaffected. Any journalist who wants to do a retrospective article can get access to do so. You are shovelling the proverbial up hill.

          • patupaiarehe

             /  23rd March 2019

            if it is satisfied that the publication should be made available to a limited class of persons or to a particular person for educational, professional, scientific, literary, artistic, or technical purposes,—

            Yet another example of outdated legislation. Any ‘class’ of person is quite capable of making both the video & the manifesto available to themselves using a VPN, in spite of any effort to the contrary by local ISP’s.

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2019

      I doubt such an action was a surprise for you, Alan.

      If we are going down that track, many Maori publications of the past would have been banned outright for their racist utterances.

      It wasn’t that long ago Sid Jackson could say the most vile racist/ seditious things on his radio show with impunity.

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    • David

       /  23rd March 2019

      That is terrible, I have zero interest in it but grabbing the ban hammer is getting out of control. Its like Whitcoulls and some virtue signalling pillock wanting to be the cool one for a change.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  23rd March 2019

        Interestingly enough, one can still purchase ‘Mein Kampf’ from Whitcoulls.

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      • I don’t know how censor applies the laws these days so don’t know if this is out of the ordinary or not.

        But it’s not as if anyone is going to be harmed be ruling the manifesto offensive. No one can be worse off by not reading it.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  23rd March 2019

          That really isn’t the point Pete. Having read it myself, I think others should too, as rather than encourage others to commit hate crimes, I believe that it may make many reconsider their own beliefs.

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          • I have no intention of reading it (nor trying to watch any of the video).

            I very much doubt reading it would deter some like minded person from committing mass murder. On the contrary, it is a potential danger if it gives any encouragement to anyone else capable of doing such a heinous crime/act of terrorism.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              It is part of history. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The only reason I don’t want to read it is that it has already been read and reported in by others. They have now technically broken the law and could be prosecuted. That is wholely and absolutely wrong.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  23rd March 2019

              @Pete

              I have no intention of reading it (nor trying to watch any of the video).

              Don’t read it then, and don’t watch the video. You are quite entitled not to. However, if you don’t read it then don’t claim to have any knowledge of it’s contents, which have already been repeatedly misquoted several times in the MSM.

              I very much doubt reading it would deter some like minded person from committing mass murder. On the contrary, it is a potential danger if it gives any encouragement to anyone else capable of doing such a heinous crime/act of terrorism.

              Anyone who is that way inclined is not going to be encouraged nor discouraged by it’s contents, as they would already share the beliefs contained within it. Censoring it is actually more likely to encourage them, as doing so feeds the paranoia of such individuals that the government is against them.

            • Censoring it is actually more likely to encourage them, as doing so feeds the paranoia of such individuals that the government is against them.

              I really doubt that.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              What censoring does is protect the document from rigorous criticism while confining it to those most likely to abuse its content.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  23rd March 2019

              I hope you are right.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd March 2019

          No one can be worse off by not reading it.

          That is unknowable. No one can foresee the consequences of unobtained information.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd March 2019

            I began to read Mein Kampf and found it not only unacceptable, which I knew already, but dull, over-written and repetitive. I thought that I should read it for myself, but it was all but unreadable. Good luck to anyone ploughing through that bumf.

            I have no wish to read NoName’s writings or see him murdering people,

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          • Blazer

             /  23rd March 2019

            ‘That is unknowable. No one can foresee the consequences of unobtained information.’

            there are none.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              You are a classic example, B.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2019

              Aside from your problems, there may well be information in there that equips someone to prevent a future atrocity.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd March 2019

              If that’s so, it will be read and noted by people who can do something about it.

              I can’t see that I or anyone else here would be any the wiser, and I find the idea of seeing murders repulsive. I am appalled by the courtroom broadcasts that show total lack of respect to murder victims by letting the details be heard by everyone. This is the ultimate invasion of privacy. The Susan Burdett case was an example. It was treated like a courtroom drama, not a real rape and murder case.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  23rd March 2019

            That was about the manifesto, not the video.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd March 2019

              The video would probably be watched by ghouls who get their thrills from that sort of thing, and it’s not in the public interest to show people being murdered and bleeding to death or with their heads blown off. There are enough films that show realistic versions of these that these sickos can drool over. If they want the real thing, tough.

              The ‘manifesto’ is preaching to the converted from the sound of it. It’s not like Mein Kampf which is a historic document and not the justification for a single massacre. But good luck to anyone who can read through Mein Kampf; it’s not only abhorrent. it’s dull; a very odd combination.

  6. David

     /  23rd March 2019

    Just in case anyone was wondering if the world has changed.
    10 Islamic nutters arrested in Germany for plotting a terrorist act, Brexit is still an utter disaster, an Indian employer has been fined for exploiting their staff, the EU have decided against implementing anything that will adhere to the Paris Accord but Trump, Macron has called in the army to quell week 18 of the riots and seems quite happy if they shoot a yellow vest. Twyford hasnt built any more houses, Jones hasnt planted any trees, nobody has any idea on the shape of the CGT, the economy is growing still but slower.

    Everything is still the same

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2019

      Jacinda Ardern’s actions at Christchurch won’t make the KiwiBuild, the provinces schemes, the CGT farce or the Labour youth camp fiasco any better. Her leadership skills are likely to stay the same.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  23rd March 2019

        I didn’t know that the French riots were still going !!!

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  7. David

     /  23rd March 2019

    Love him or hate him this is a good thing for the world and particularly the Yazidi girls.

    “White House boasts that ISIS has lost ‘100 percent’ of its territory in Syria — and Trump proudly shows off UPSIDE-DOWN maps to prove it”

    He did say he was going to defeat them by bombing the shit out of them and letting his Generals do their thing.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2019

      He may think that if the map’s upside down, the ISIS people will fall off.

      ISIL sounds like a medicine.

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  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  23rd March 2019

    Does anyone remember the Ingham Twins ?

    Here’s a transcript of the Holmes interview.

    PH: It’s very nice to see you.
    IT….
    PH : Where are you living these days ?
    Sarah I: Nelson.
    PH: Nice?
    SI: Yep.
    PH: It’s very sunny there, isn’t it ?
    Joanne I: Sometimes.
    PH: Got in yesterday?
    SI: Yep.
    PH;How are Mum and Dad ?
    JI; Fine.
    PH: Enjoying Auckland.
    SI: It’s all right.

    He was silly to ask questions like that, I must say. One of the first rules of interviewing is not to ask questions that can be answered with yes or no (or that lead nowhere generally)

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  9. Corky

     /  23rd March 2019

    I can’t stand the guy. He drowns the PM out with his size. But he has stood next to the PM…and her light has anointed him. One nut with a gun..and NZ is split into heroes and villains.

    You gotta love fate. This guy will get a gong next year.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215516

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2019

      Don’t bother to look; it’s the sign language interpreter (I should have known it would be something like that) and he is highly unlikely to be knighted or awarded for doing what he’s paid to do.

      The rest is too silly to dignify with a response.

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2019

      I forgot to mention I lost track of how many times the word ” ban” was used. It seems fitting for a socialist.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  23rd March 2019

    PG i know you get upset at my posts to your great blog, you sigh and think GO AWAY LURCHER but i think David Farrar is getting tired of his ferals and i think he will close it down,to save his sanity i will give an exanple of one of his final 4 posts on general debate at the moment,IF IT WAS MY BLOG i would fuck off for a while,David have a break for a WHILE,
    bill hicks
    KOKILA AND DAVID IT IS SO SAD THAT YOUR BLOG HAS FALLEN INTO THE TRAP THAT HAS BEEN SET BY COMMUNISTS AND THE SELF CALLED WOKE COMMUNITY. TAKE A STEP BACK TO MID MARCH AND LAY OFF THE KOOL AID
    PG this thing is heading your way, PG CAUTION bill Hicks…a key word

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2019

      I think Pete gets the message, Lurchy. I doubt he gives a fug. Keep the reportage up. Who knows, in your next life you may make a junior journalist.

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  11. Corky

     /  23rd March 2019

    Avi Yemini is lured by Jim Jefferies in the hope of connecting Avi with Islamophobia . Avi turns the tables by filming this Lefty making fun of Muslims and Mohammad.( vids still to be released)

    This is a despicable trait among Lefties. I have previously written about teacher parties I have attended where uncomplimentary things have been said about Maori, Islanders and Asians,
    especially when the vino has started to have an affect.

    https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/22/after-exposing-comedy-centrals-jim-jefferies-deceptive-editing-avi-yemini-calls-for-comedy-central-to-sack-him/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  23rd March 2019

      An excellent precaution to make your own recording of interviews with Lefties.

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      • Corky

         /  23rd March 2019

        Agreed, Alan. There are so many dishonest people in the world. This chap should be able to argue his case without trying to frame Avi. The thing is people like Jefferies are only interested in claiming scalps. That comes from the Left continually losing face and debates when faced with someone who cuts through their bs ..and shows them up as morons.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2019

      You seem to know some very odd people. No teacher I know gets drunk and talks like that.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  23rd March 2019

        I suspect that very few Lefties are like Corky’s fantasy.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd March 2019

          Brian Edwards always advised against placing any faith in a TV interview being edited fairly.

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          • Corky

             /  23rd March 2019

            I think I will take Brian Edwards sage advice over Kitties ramblings. He should know, being both a journalist and quintessential socialist.

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