Open Forum – Sunday

24 March 2019

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  24th March 2019

    Nothing happening here, going to take the dogs for a walk,Aroha PG i will think of something to stimulate your………posters

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th March 2019

    Auckland vigil politised by the usual suspects:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215680

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  24th March 2019

      Is that a reference to your Bête Noire Marama Davidson?? Lefty + Feminist + Maori = Trifecta!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th March 2019

        Yep, the one who loves Muslim immigrants and hates pakeha New Zealanders.

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  24th March 2019

          That’s hilarious considering she is married to and has had six children with a… Pākehā!

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  24th March 2019

            I wonder if her husband thinks it’s hilarious. And how confused her children are?

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  24th March 2019

              It would take a particularly jaundiced interpretation of her words to conclude that she hates Pākehā. Conversely she has endless amounts of venom and bile spewed at her. (most likely by Pākehā.) I’ve seen a lot of it on twitter, and it’s vile.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th March 2019

              Why do you think she generates that kind of response?

        • lurcher1948

           /  24th March 2019

          Caution you are moving into the downtrodden white racist area Alan,you are better IF you feel better…than Marama Davidson whom i don’t want to know

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th March 2019

            This vigil was by definition NOT the place for politicking. The remarks were totally inappropriate, the massacre was done by one man who wasn’t even a Kiwi, and had nothing to do with the rest of us.

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  24th March 2019

              In my opinion, Kitty, you are guilty of political tribalism in that you appear to automatically attribute insincerity to political figures who occupy a different part of the political spectrum to that which you do. {I note, also, that you reserve your most strident criticism for female left wing politicians, and I sometimes wonder why that is.}
              I see political tribalism as the worst malaise which afflicts the blogosphere, and somehow I think now is the right time for all of us (myself included) to challenge that assumption that someone is stupid, mad, evil or insincere simply on the basis of a difference in political beliefs.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th March 2019

              I would be averse to anyone using this as a forum for their own views. I said nothing about insincerity, nor did I think it. Someone can be sincere but totally out of place. Look at YNZ’s Mother who rants on about her religious beliefs no matter what the topic is.

              I see nothing in my words that implies insincerity. But I repeat that this was not the place for this politicking by anyone.

              Marama Davidson is extremely racist; I am not alone in thinking this. The fact that people walked out of what was supposed to be a vigil but seems to have been cynically hijacked to make political points.

              Golriz G did the same; her speech was a rehash of points made before..by her, .about her.She is known to have lied many times. She is NOT the Minister of Defence, she was NOT a prosecuting lawyer with the UN, either in Cambodia or Rwanda. Things on her Twitter have been disproved.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  24th March 2019

              “Politicking” suggests that she was using this tragedy to score political points, which to my mind clearly implies “insincerity” amongst other things.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th March 2019

              Not at all. It may be what she believes, but this is not the time or place; the idea was to mourn the dead, not score points when she couldn’t be contradicted (which applies to anyone doing this)

            • phantom snowflake

               /  24th March 2019

              Also, I don’t accept that it is “racist” to make a connection between colonisation and white supremacy; clearly there were white supremacist beliefs at the heart of the European colonising of Australia and New Zealand, and some of those beliefs are very much alive today, albeit in a more covert and thus socially acceptable form. But I’d better leave it there; I’ll be in big trouble now!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th March 2019

              Colonisation doesn’t imply genocide; it virtually did for the Moriori, but there was no equivalent wiping out done when the Pakeha arrived.

              Try getting money & preferential treatment for university by virtue of being Pakeha, expecting to have the final say in Councils because you are, not having laws apply to your land ditto….

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th March 2019

              Is he actually a white supremist? Now we are not allowed to read the manifesto to find out.

              God, Shand and his political puppet masters are idiots.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th March 2019

              clearly there were white supremacist beliefs at the heart of the European colonising of Australia and New Zealand

              Rubbish. The earliest colonists married Maori. The next lot worked to bring them into their own religions. The colonial authorities drafted and signed a Treaty of equality with them. The NZ Parliament elected Maori MPs before white women got the vote.

              Why do you spout claptrap?

  3. lurcher1948

     /  24th March 2019

    Pinched this from elsewhere…but worth posting…a fate better than death
    This kind of thing has been playing on my mind, and likely others, for the week.
    Tales for the Terrorist.
    Somewhere, isolated in a reinforced concrete cell, sits NZ’s public enemy number one. Of all the things we’d like to say to him kindness and compassion might not even make the list.

    Let’s be clear here, I am coming from a place of revenge and vengeance, I want this man to suffer 50 lifetimes worth of shame and guilt. But as he has no shame, other measures are called for.

    I want this man to have paraded before him the media of love and compassion. The murals of Muslim heroes, the story of Eggboy, the coverage of the outpouring of love and solidarity New Zealanders have shown in this time of need.

    In Stanley Kubrick’s ‘A Clockwork Orange’, Alex was subject to ‘therapy’ consisting of enforced media of atrocities and violence. I want this terrorist to suffer a similar fate but flipped around. The media of love and kindness, relentlessly portrayed.

    I want him to see the hakas, the Mob members who’ve ditched the Nazi regalia, the social media mouthpieces who have suddenly gone silent as they furiously delete and delete. I want him to see that he has brought into light a cancer we needed to excise – and that the scalpels are out.

    I want daily press releases of white supremacists getting locked up read to his cell. I want Trumps downfall broadcast to him in detail.

    I want him to see the image of Jacinda hugging a woman adorning the highest building in the world. I want him to see Arabic commentators from around the world praise her. I want him to see commentators of hate being shamed and called out. I want him to hear of all the divestment from platforms of hate.

    I want him to know his literary efforts are pathetic, and also banned. That his name is fading, and all his stupid chan buddies are due for a door knock.

    I want to remind him he started something his dumb brain could never comprehend. A movement of love and compassion spreading virally through the world.

    I want him to see me today, a white man, planting flowers for the local Mosque.

    I want him to know he is the loser every day for the rest of his pathetic life.
    BEST OF ALL, show the Australian a world that he’s disappeared from FOREVER,other than the people who will kill him if they can in prison

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  24th March 2019

      I read that he’s not only in solitary, but has no radio, television, newspapers or visitors…he’d better get used to it. He could live for another 60 years. And he can’t top himself, he won’t be let to have anything to do it with.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th March 2019

        That silly stuff will get overturned by the HRC and courts and rightly so. It’s a stupid attempt at Lefty extra-judicial vengence. Best that as soon as possible he comes to realise his inhumanity and endless guilt and shame. And write about it.

        Lurch’s quote was on the right track shorn of its hatred. Hate what he did. Be sorry for the wretched creature that did it.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  24th March 2019

    Go the CANES…WINNERS
    http://www.superxv.com/ladder/

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  5. Corky

     /  24th March 2019

    I see Winston lost his tongue in Turkey. He didn’t bring up the subject of repeated playing of the terrorist attack video. The Turkish President praised New Zealand again in front of Winston, then played the clip a couple of hours later. If diplomatic action isn’t taking place behind the scenes New Zealand and Turkey have a problem.

    Personally I think you would be nuts to go the ANZAC commemorations in Turkey, now and for the foreseeable future. Erdoğan is stirring his conservative voter base a little too much for my liking.

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