Harassment of Muslims continues

While there has been a huge amount of sympathy and support shown for the Muslim community in New Zealand, there are claims of continued harassment of Muslims, especially Muslim women. And attacks on Muslims continue online.

Newshub:  Jacinda Ardern ‘devastated’ as anti-Muslim attacks continue after Christchurch shooting

Most of what we’ve seen so far from the public toward the Muslim community has been love. But Anjum Rahman from the Islamic Council of Women told Newshub hatred is around as Muslims are reporting being threatened even since the terror attack.

“People are having people pretend to shoot them – ripping hijab off women,” Manning said.

When confronted with this on Monday, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said: “I think it’s devastating to know that when a community has been the subject of a direct attack like this that they would then be subject to threats.”

The Guardian has reported a 593 percent increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes in the UK in the aftermath of the Christchurch shooting.

That’s an alarming reaction to the Christchurch attacks in the UK, I think it’s reasonable to assume that that is in part fed by online abuse.

Police couldn’t give Newshub data on any potential increase in New Zealand, but the Prime Minister is urging anyone who has experienced attacks or threats to report them.

“Please report it – they are taking them seriously, they are following them up,” she said.

It seems every single threat is now being treated that much more seriously.

As they should be.

There have been positive changes. NZ Herald:  A changed world after Christchurch mosque attacks

An Auckland Muslim woman has described how her world has changed since the Christchurch terror attacks, which have helped unite the country and counter racial hatred.

Fijian-born mother-of-three Neelufah Hannif was once called a “curry muncher” and for years felt too uncomfortable to wear her hijab to work.

But the 40-year-old public servant has sensed a shift in attitudes towards inclusiveness and racial harmony since an extremist gunman killed 50 Muslim worshippers in two mosque attacks on March 15.

“I think the last few days have shown that people are compassionate, they’ve shown empathy and they have grieved with the Muslim community. I think this is who we are, this is who we have always been and I hope this will continue.”

“New Zealanders have shown solidarity and it’s comforting to know we are ‘one’ and people are there for us,” she said.

But also from NZH – Trevor Richards: NZ in denial about its anti-Muslim racism

In France following the January 2015 attack, the catchphrase heard and seen everywhere in Paris had been “Je suis Charlie (I am Charlie)”.

Here, it was not an Islamic terrorist attack against citizens of a Western country, but an attack by a white nationalist extremist against Muslims at prayer. This difference is important in determining the responses of the two countries.

France’s response to both attacks contained an ugly underbelly. Islamic terrorists had been the attackers. In the week following the Charlie Hebdo attack, a total of 60 anti-Muslim incidents were reported.

In New Zealand, Muslims had been the victims. The immediate nationwide response was to support and embrace Muslim communities.

On the Sunday following the attack, two young Muslim women at an Auckland railway station were told to “go back to your f****** country”. For some in this country, they are not us.

Unlike France, such horrific events are new to us. It has been widely claimed that New Zealand will never be the same again. The good news is that life will “get back to normal”, as Norway seems to have after Breivik. But our image of ourselves as a small country at the bottom of the world, happily immune from extremist right-wing political psychopaths and the more vicious edges of world politics, has gone. That will inevitably change us in ways yet to be realised.

Like everywhere in the world New Zealand will never be free of racism, of religious animosity, of prejudice and of fear.

But we can all play a part making things better than they were before the attacks in Christchurch.

 

 

 

64 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  26th March 2019

    New Zealanders are mostly kind and fair but we have our share of arseholes. You see both sides in the attacks on tourists and the responses of strangers to help them.

    How to get rid of arseholes is an eternal problem.

    • Finbaar Rustle

       /  26th March 2019

      Bringing in a Labour Government was a great start to getting rid of Arseholes.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  26th March 2019

        If you read what you just wrote you may find you are part of the problem Finbaar. Completely tone deaf.

        • Finbaar Rustle

           /  26th March 2019

          Better than singing from the anti immigration National party song book.

          • Smokeyyy

             /  26th March 2019

            Yet you have Winston first in you government..

          • Smokeyyy

             /  26th March 2019

            Yet you have Winston first in you government..

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  26th March 2019

            What sort of idiot are you, Finbaar? It’s Labour and the Left that are anti-immigration, not National. The Left only love immigrants after they arrive and if they can foist their identity politics on them.

            • Duker

               /  26th March 2019

              So national didnt have new requirements before last election to purposely reduce migrants
              Woodhouse the immigration minister wasnt running round saying – KIWIS FIRST
              https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/woodhouse-unveils-kiwis-first-immigration-policy-new-work-visa-rules-b-202034

              AW is hung on his own petard

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th March 2019

              The crackdown on temporary work visas comes six months after the government raised the bar on the skilled migrant visa and comes as rising immigration gets blamed for inflaming property markets.

              The Left and its media were trumpeting blame on immigrants for Labour’s wrecking of the housing market. National focused immigration more tightly on skills, not on reducing numbers as advocated by NZF and Labour.

              Business NZ: “Employers have faced real difficulties in getting higher skilled workers and today’s changes will help get more focus on actively-sought skills,” Hope said in a statement. “At the same time, proposed stand-down rules for lower-skilled migrants will reduce the potential for residence applications to be dominated by lower-skilled workers.”

            • Duker

               /  26th March 2019

              Who was allowing low skilled migrants anyway ?
              Do we really need to import cafe/kitchen/fastfood staff and employees for dairys/convenience stores.
              What sort of economic policy was that

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th March 2019

              Good to see you echoing Labour’s anti-immigration stance for us. Especially relevant since the cafe and dairy workers might be Muslims.

          • Jay3

             /  26th March 2019

            The Labour Party along with NZ First ran an election campaign based on reducing immigration. And, when Ardern was Deputy Leader of Labour they deliberately singled out and vilified Chinese people for causing the housing crisis. I don’t think there is too much there worthy of a Nobel Prize.

            • Duker

               /  26th March 2019

              Wrong date . Ardern didnt become deputy leader until march 2017 then leader in Aug 2017
              Twyford and his campaign against non Nzers buying houses was back in 2015.

              Look how much the price rises stopped once those living outside NZ cant really buy anymore

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th March 2019

              Hoist by your own petard?

      • Ray

         /  26th March 2019

        This was the crew that claimed people with “Chinese sounding names” were forcing up house prices and are supported (picked) by the well known non racist, dog whistling Winston Peters .
        Pull the other one Finny

        • Duker

           /  26th March 2019

          Foreign speculators from many countries were driving up house prices… are you saying that didnt happen
          1 in 5 central Auckland homes sold to overseas buyers, Govt ban vindicated says Parker
          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12066355

          When house prices rise in Auckland that pushes buyers out to provinces , where those prices rise and so on. Eventual result a lot of Nzers find owning a home is out of reach

  2. High Flying Duck

     /  26th March 2019

    There are also some Muslims using the platform of vigils to throw some of their own harassment around. While hopefully this tragedy has created an opportunity to be “better”, it is still off a low base and there is more to be done.:

    • Corky

       /  26th March 2019

      Wrong narrative. That will never make the news in NZ. And such sentiments will never be challenged again in Aotearoa.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  26th March 2019

        Anti Israel sentiment is definitely tolerated more than most. But the current situation is temporary. I agree this story will not get coverage, despite the fact it happened at a vigil with over 1,000 people present, and the conspiracy theory has been spread around a bit. But maybe it’s best not give such stories oxygen so that they die out of their own accord.

        • Blazer

           /  26th March 2019

          start the day with a laugh…’Anti Israel sentiment is definitely tolerated more than most.

          haven’t you heard of the Holocaust!To critique Israel is absolute proof you are anti semitic!

  3. NZH: Father with ‘heart of gold’ killed while helping people

    A father-of-three described by one of his daughters as having a “heart of gold” was killed while trying to help his injured Muslim brothers during the Christchurch terror attacks.

    “When the person went to reload his gun, my dad got up and went round telling people ‘I’m not hurt, how can I help’ and as he was searching for people to help he bumped right into the person and was shot,” Sara Qasem told the Herald.

    “He was your typical Kiwi bloke who loved trips to Bunnings, fixing things, getting stuck into farm jobs and spending time with animals.

    “I remember driving with him to Bunnings one time and I surprised him by playing one of his favourite songs on the aux cord, Caribbean Queen by Billy Ocean, and the way his eyes lit up was incredible.”

    Qasem was born in Palestine and had studied in Canada and the United States. He migrated to New Zealand with his three daughters and wife Siham in 2002.

    He was former secretary of the Muslim Association of Canterbury and worked for Interpreting New Zealand, helping people with their Arabic and English.

    “When he arrived to New Zealand language was no barrier because he had this huge smile and ability to just connect with people.

    “He died doing what he always does, helping people,” Sara said.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12216127

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  26th March 2019

      So we can talk about such heroism but not view the reality of it.

      • Duker

         /  26th March 2019

        let the terrorist sympathizers try to view it here and get arrested .

        next thing you will be saying you need to see beheadings as they allow you to understand their philosophy

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  26th March 2019

          You are truly clueless, Duker. Technologies exist to transport your view zone out of NZ and shield the content from local spying. Any serious terrorist will have no trouble viewing or sharing that content securely. The only people who can’t are those with good intentions.

          • Duker

             /  26th March 2019

            Coming through a local ISP means its within NZ..I dont know where you get your ideas about technology from.
            To see anything on your screen means all text and images HAS to pass onto your hard drive.
            VPNs may mask where the offshore site thinks are you , but to see it means it comes back to NZ.
            GCSB is filtering meta data all the time , they just have to set their logging software to flag what they want and that will give them the details of who wants it and their connections to all the ISP give them the customer details

            • Corky

               /  26th March 2019

              Alan is right, Duker. Some technology is exotic, others can be used by ordinary people with a good measure of success. Ever wondered why those inquires into leaked government emails came up empty?

            • Duker

               /  26th March 2019

              No hes not right . When I worked for a very large american IT Company they didnt use local ISPs for security reasons, but they had ‘leased lines’ back to one of their huge US data centres – this was in Crystal City in Washington DC which handled all email and internet for all the companies world wide offices- so all data like that went through the single location.
              Unless AW has a leased line to another countrys ISP he has to use a local ISP – and those are all monitored by the GCSB via the internet cables into the country. ( one to Sydney and one to hawaii plus a new one nearly in service)
              My IT experience can rings around his and your knowledge Corky

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  26th March 2019

              Good luck convincing him of that.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th March 2019

              No, duker. Your IT knowledge is rudimentary. End to end encryption means the US spies can only capture meta-data when it is used.

            • Corky

               /  26th March 2019

              Dude.I won’t argue with you. Ever heard of a Cantenna? Add that to a proprietary programme that runs through Tor, and only Tor, and you won’t even need to hide. Just don’t use Tor exit nodes.

              One of a few examples.

            • Duker

               /  26th March 2019

              You cant encrypt your metadata completely others wise the various routers handling it in its journey wont know where to send it – to a place in NZ with an IP adress thats supplied when you logon onto your ISP

              https://infosec-handbook.eu/blog/limits-e2ee/

              eg
              ‘End-to-end encryption protects content of your messages but it may not protect your personal data and/or metadata. There is always metadata involved since computers need to know how they have to handle data packets (sender, receiver, size, protocol etc.). You simply can’t avoid metadata if you communicate. However, some protocols generate more metadata than others and some protocols encrypt some of the metadata while other protocols keep everything in cleartext….
              Keep in mind that online communication is always somewhat centralized due to the internet backbone, internet service providers, service providers of web servers etc. There is no invisible traffic which can’t be spotted if you use the internet or even Tor.

              A common mistake made by amateurs with only a basic IT knowledge

            • Duker

               /  26th March 2019

              I think I detect a note of desperation as AW goes quiet for periods and realises he wasnt as ‘secure’ as he thought – who knows what he was up to ?- probably his Nemesis is IRD not GCSB…hehehehe

            • Corky

               /  26th March 2019

              You are talking of TCP protocols. That’s when the exotic come in.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th March 2019

              I actually do stuff, duker. Which means I am out and not able to assist with your education continuously. Yes, GCSB can see someone in NZ is using the internet and can see the first point of contact overseas. That’s all. They can’t decrypt the traffic or see where it goes from there unless they can get cooperation from that overseas entity.

            • Duker

               /  26th March 2019

              AW, Im happy to educate you on internet processes .
              You dont ‘see’ overseas sites like through binouculars, they send their web pages to you – remember the name ‘server’
              As you seem to be using Chrome do Ctrl+Shift + I and you will see the source html data sent to your hardrive cache before the browser uses that to create what you see on the screen.
              Its on your computer disk drive .
              thats not the metadata but the metadata wraps around ALL the packets of html as they are ‘served’ to your computer from overseas.

              This below is part of the page of ‘yournz’ html that creates this page on my computer

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th March 2019

              Duker, stop trying to teach your grandpa to suck eggs. I taught a final year computer science honours class for over a decade and spent most of my working life programming and running computers.

              I reiterate, you may be able to spot the traffic but you won’t know what it says and unless you can get cooperation from authorities in overseas countries probably chosen to be uncooperative you won’t know where it is going. In the reverse direction if you are monitoring chatroom conversations again without clues from the content or cooperation from critical points on the route you won’t know where it is coming from.

  4. Corky

     /  26th March 2019

    ”Unlike France, such horrific events are new to us. It has been widely claimed that New Zealand will never be the same again. The good news is that life will “get back to normal”, as Norway seems to have after Breivik. But our image of ourselves as a small country at the bottom of the world, happily immune from extremist right-wing political psychopaths.”

    Two points in that paragraph are wrong. The sentiments echoed by the author show his bias and ignorance. And they are sentiments I knew were coming…sentiments I fear.

    From my perspective you broadly have three groupings of anti Muslim types.

    1- The common racist. These are folk for whom racist jibes are an everyday affair. They think it’s normal and everyone else thinks like them. For example, once while waiting for a Chinese
    takeaway, a fellow customer said: ”Geez, this Chow-speak is hard on the ears.” I ignored him. He gave me a hard look and regaled someone else who was more receptive.

    2- The hardcore racist. These are people who given a chance will back their racism with action.They can be extreme and callous. But not necessarily nutjobs. For example the man police chased after Mosque shooting because he said he had ”turned up to celebrate.”
    They aren’t really political, but will follow a political cause.

    3- The thinking racist. These are people who see the bigger picture from their perspective. They realise bashing and abusing Muslims is a waste of time. They need to manipulate, influence and try to cause divisions in society. They become extremely frustrated because not only are they fighting Islam, they are also fighting their own. This grouping is the most dangerous once they decide to act..or lose their mental balance.

    Unfortunately anyone who has anti Islamic sentiments like me are lumped in with one of the three groups above depending on the accusers preference. It’s unthinkable to critics that we have legitimate concerns backed up with facts. It would seem having concerns but wishing harm to none is not an option. Criticism of Islam means you are racist.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  26th March 2019

      Ask yourself why this is and try to give yourself an honest answer.

      Your derogatory remarks about ‘Asians’ have been all too frequent here for you to have the nerve to criticise anyone else’s.

      Mindless, generalising criticism of Muslims and Islam IS racist and stupid. To assume that they are all extremists is stupid.

      I am surprised that someone with your faddy food views would want to eat Chinese takeaways (or any takeaways) as the chances of these being organic are slight. Is this yet another Corkism that tries to prove something by claiming personal experience.?

  5. Zedd

     /  26th March 2019

    a few commentators have said (paraphrased) ‘Is this just a short-term outpouring of grief & will things just ‘return to normal’ in a few weeks ?’

    Anjum Rahman (Islamic womens council) & others, have been saying that their concerns, about the rise of ‘White supremacy’ & the MAIN focus being, on ‘Islamic Terrorists’ has been effectively ignored by ‘the authorities’ for years. Will this now, actually be listened to ??
    There are still reports of muslim women (in Hijab) being abused in public & some folks, even trying to pull off their scarves. Some are now fearing, going out in public; Is this a ‘victory’ for the ‘Alt-right’ & others who are ‘championing’ this Islamophobia rhetoric ?

    This is the real concern to I&I.. “beware the real enemy : ‘APATHY’ & also those jumping on ‘populist bandwagons’ (both sides) !” :/

    btw: Im thinking Jacinda will not let this just ‘slide back under the carpet’ AGAIN 🙂

  6. alloytoo

     /  26th March 2019

    You could spend your life detailing the harassment of different groups by other groups globally, lets not isolate Muslims, lets include Jews, Christians, Athiests, whites, blacks, coloured, Indians Chinese, native American etc etc

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  26th March 2019

      As a Jew racially, I don’t look different…I don’t dress like an Orthodox Jew. Therefore I am not abused for it, except in London when people (Christians, so-called) referred to me as ‘that Jewess’ as if it was an insult/

      • Duker

         /  26th March 2019

        have you dressed like a Palestinian woman in Israel ?

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  26th March 2019

          Have dressed as an orthodox jew in Medina?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  26th March 2019

          No, I haven’t been to Israel.

          Palestinian women are not clones, anyway,

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  26th March 2019

            Corky: You have never proved me or anyone else wrong; what happens is that you refuse to admit that you are wrong or lying. Your babbling about the things that WINZ supposedly gives away is a glaring example; you wouldn’t even accept that their own website, which specified that these things were NOT given away was right. You went on about being helped with a cloudbuster by an non-existent staff member in a non-existent Victoria University department. You rambled on about plastic bags not being recycled in spite of the bins for this in supermarkets and The Warehouse. You knew more about my source of income that I do. You claimed to know that I called the young professional couple across the road ‘ferals’.

            You told me that my late husband didn’t exist.

            Your teacher relation was a Circuit Head (there’s no such post in teaching) and took 8 hours to prepare for the year or term ahead…most teachers take 10 times this. And that’s experienced ones.

            Much of your ‘evidence’ is lies; ergo, you think that other people are also liars. The sites you quote are invariably debunked and unreliable. The pub wrecking which was actually the pub’s patrons’ handiwork was a stupid example, as it was obvious that this was the case from the video. You even claimed to have emailed a swimming pool to prove your fabrication, although there was no email address on its website…and were silly enough not to check up on whether one was here (as you said) or in the UK (which it was)

            You claimed to have large amounts of obsidian from Mayor Island and then tied yourself in knots over how you got it, as you didn’t know that it belongs to the island’s owners.

            You even forget what race you are, forsooth.

            Liars need to have good memories. You constantly contradict yourself because yours is so poor.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  27th March 2019

              WOW !! Miss. Instant Recall. Indeed.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th March 2019

              First rule of lying; be careful that the person you lie to doesn’t have a good memory. I was used to memorising poetry before I could read it properly, ditto plays and literature generally.

              Rule two; make sure that the readers haven’t personal experience of what you’re claiming to know (e.g. that someone whom you declare to be a Pakeha man isn’t known to people as a Maori woman, that the university you attribute a department to wasn’t the one someone went to, that a country you pretend to have visited isn’t one that someone reading this has lived in….

              Rule three; look something up to make sure that the real story isn’t available for all to see…

              Rule four; keep track of your stories

              And so on….
              Second rule;

            • Corky

               /  27th March 2019

              Chur Chur…of course she has instant recall. She writes her own stories. I would have concerns if she couldn’t remember what she writes and repeats day after day..after day..after day…after day.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th March 2019

              Not really, Possum; he repeats himself and goes on and on so much that anyone with a good memory can remember.I do have a good memory for words, especially the written word, so I am not a good person to lie to. It runs in the family.I was reading at 3 and remember what I read.

              He has said that you were not a Maori, and I think that he once gave you a sex change as well, despite Al and Gezza saying that they knew you. But Corky knew better than they did…or than you do….

              His lies are pathetic. It’s fun seeing him trying to bluff his way out. His claim to have been in the UK earlier this year and gone to Europe was dropped when he realised that I’d lived in both. He couldn’t lie and say he’d been on the Channel ferry, because I have done this many times and would know…he said he’d been on the train, but had no idea of which station it went from or where it went to.

              He has been challenged by other people, of course, and abused and bluffed when this happens.

              The Circuit Head teacher was a laugh, I must say. So was the 8 hours prep; it took me much longer than that just for my ESOL classes !

              Liars should not only have good memories, they should look things up if they are going to lie about having personal experience of them.

              Nobody, not even the WINZ website, could make him admit that he’d lied about what WINZ generously shouts people on the ‘DPB’ as people still call it.

  7. Trevors_elbow

     /  26th March 2019

    Harassment of Christians continues could easily be a headline with statements from Christian’s about harassment and abuse…..

    People need to take care that claims of harassment are proven and we dont get whipped up into a frenzy on the topic of Muslim harassment. Let’s step back, calm down and reassess when shock and fear have receded…

    • Corky

       /  26th March 2019

      I think it may be too late, T-Bow. The Left will play this for all it’s worth. I find that so disingenuous. On one had they are lumping Conservatives in with the Alt Right. On the other they are busy beavering away on their own agenda’s. That’s my perception anyway.

  8. Corky

     /  26th March 2019

    I see the Islamic Women’s Council has been mentioned. Folk should know they are not an independent group. They fall under the auspice of FIANZ. I’m no saying what they relate is wrong. But we don’t know how many Muslim women they represent, or whether they have free editorial privileges.

  9. @Corky:
    “Criticism of Islam means you are racist.”

    Islam isn’t a race. people of many races are Muslims. And it depends on what you mean by criticism – this is to general to mean anything..

    “Unfortunately anyone who has anti Islamic sentiments like me are lumped in with one of the three groups above depending on the accusers preference”

    That’s a fairly sweeping, vague claim.

    ” The Left will play this for all it’s worth.I find that so disingenuous. On one had they are lumping Conservatives in with the Alt Right.”

    The other hand lumping ‘The Left’ as one?

    Even Conservative and Alt Right are poorly defined.

    • Corky

       /  26th March 2019

      ”Islam isn’t a race. people of many races are Muslims. And it depends on what you mean by criticism – this is too general to mean anything.”

      My critics don’t make that fine distinction in many cases. So I keep it simple. What I mean by criticism is I post what I consider good evidence to back my case. And many times it isn’t considered..and the ranting continues. See Kitty’s posts as an example. A continual stream of hyperbole, half truths and lies. Even though I proved her wrong on many occasions.

      “Unfortunately anyone who has anti Islamic sentiments like me are lumped in with one of the three groups above depending on the accusers preference”
      That’s a fairly sweeping, vague claim.

      Again I refer you to Kitty, Gezza` and on occasions, Parti and others. On the National front (no pun) Brain Tamaki, Mikey and Leighton Smith to name a few. The key phrase- bigot and racist. Now personally I have no problem with the criticism..only the inability for critics to accept on occasions the facts are simple…they can’t be manipulated as they try to do.

      ” The Left will play this for all it’s worth.I find that so disingenuous. On one had they are lumping Conservatives in with the Alt Right.”

      ”The other hand lumping ‘The Left’ as one?”

      You may have a point..but as you have stated on occasions the Right are more individualistic than the left. The Left are much more collective across the board. I call that the ‘hive mentality.’ So I think my comment is fair, maybe not 100% correct.

      ”Even Conservative and Alt Right are poorly defined.”

      The Left and the media do the defining. The Right has little say in the matter. Some chap at a rally calls out a protester…next thing 3 News is calling him alt-right.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  26th March 2019

        See Kitty’s posts as an example. A continual stream of hyperbole, half truths and lies. Even though I proved her wrong on many occasions.
        The sheer audacity of that piece of mindfuckery is quite astonishing! Moving right along…
        Regarding Pete’s comment re you “lumping ‘The Left’ as one”: Is that just laziness on your part, or black and white thinking, or are you so far off in the distance to the Right that everything to the left of centre-right looks the same?? Regardless, there is great diversity of views on “The Left”; compare, say, a traditional Marxist, an Anarcha-Feminist, a Social Democrat. In NZ “The Left” ranges from Labour’s “Neoliberal Capitalism but a bit kinder” to “Burn it all to the fucken ground” revolutionaries.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  26th March 2019

          My response went in the wrong place. It’s up the page, above Trevor’s Elbow.

          Phantom…Corky is so unlikely to ever admit that he’s wrong, even when he makes claims that contradict each other (about himself, even) that I wonder why we bother. He hasn’t the sense not to contradict himself and forget what he said last time.

          Nor does he have the sense to check up on WINZ’s website before he claims that his niece was given a full service and tyres for her van as well as free school uniforms for the children…WINZ spells it out that these things are NOT given out. Ooops…

        • Corky

           /  26th March 2019

          “See Kitty’s posts as an example. A continual stream of hyperbole, half truths and lies. Even though I proved her wrong on many occasions.”
          The sheer audacity of that piece of mindfuckery is quite astonishing! Moving right along…

          Hell, no. Let’s not move on. Let’s not be lazy. From Kitty:

          ”Your derogatory remarks about ‘Asians’ have been all too frequent here for you to have the nerve to criticise anyone else’s.”

          Blatant bs: I have said on many occasion Cook Islanders are my favourite people..followed by Asian. I have said I have problems with the way many Chinese people still owe their allegiance to the mother land..hence the political party they started.

          Here’s another from Kitty:

          ”He asked me if I feel safe with my GP who happens to be a Muslim.”

          The discussion was originally about Muslim woman doctors not being able to treat male patients.This topic was discussed by a Muslim cleric after the shootings. He explained in certain cases exemptions can be made.Something to that affect.

          What Kitty said is again bs. I could go on.

          As for the rest of your post. That’s your opinion. It’s as good as mine. Hell, you may be right and I’m wrong.

          I look forward to hearing from the Socialist Union Of Students..and their support of gun ownership and the right to be anti gay marriage. Yeah..It won’t be happening.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  26th March 2019

            Are you actually going to ignore Kitty as you have claimed several times?? It becomes farcical when you’re replying to me about her, you might as well reply to her directly.

            • Corky

               /  26th March 2019

              I have ignored her. I don’t post to her directly. Are you reduced to cheap shots? I used her as an example as she is my most trenchant critic..
              However, you are correct. I previously did say I wouldn’t engage her. I broke that commitment. Not this time though.

              Btw… You have an excellent memory to remember that. So you should recall what I have said previously.

              Oh, and WINZ thing. All true✔

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  27th March 2019

            All lies, according to them..

            You frequently sneer at ‘Asians’. Your memory is dreadful.

            The question about the GP was so stupid that I couldn’t believe it. And as it was some time ago, I fail to see any connection between it and the Chch massacre. No, I don’t believe that anyone asked if Muslim women doctors could treat men, as it’s obvious that in general practice and in hospitals they do.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th March 2019

              WINZ; We do not pay for

              Fuel
              WOF
              Insurance
              Regular services
              and so on.

              They may give a loan up to $400, which must be paid back for urgent repairs.

              They may give a loan for school uniforms, which also has to be paid back.

              The only exception is if the child is no relation to you.

              (WINZ Website)

              Liars ought to check these things.

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