Another Brexit vote, another rejection

Political dysfunction continues in the UK.

BBC – Brexit: MPs reject May’s EU withdrawal agreement

MPs have rejected Theresa May’s EU withdrawal agreement on the day the UK was due to leave the EU.

The government lost by 344 votes to 286, a margin of 58.

It means the UK has missed an EU deadline to delay Brexit to 22 May and leave with a deal.

The prime minister said the UK would have to find “an alternative way forward”, which was “almost certain” to involve holding European elections.

Mrs May now has until 12 April to seek a longer extension to the negotiation process to avoid a no-deal Brexit on that date.

With a clear majority in the Commons against a no-deal Brexit, and with MPs holding more votes on alternative plans on Monday, Mrs May said that the UK would have to find “an alternative way forward”.

The prime minister said that the outcome was “a matter of profound regret”, adding that “I fear we are reaching the limits of this process in this House”.

Despite the referendum two years ago the UK parliament seems unable to work things out.

May said she would resign if a withdrawal agreement was reached, but someone quipped that that was a threat – ‘vote for what I want or I will stay as Prime Minister’.

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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  30th March 2019

    Any thoughts on the chaps dress, is there some significance to the green and orange?

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  30th March 2019

      The flag of Ireland is a tricolour of green, white and orange, first flown in 1848.he colours stand for Irish Catholicism, Irish Protestantism, and peace between the two.

      He seems to have his base covered with a white shirt. Anybody know which verse of the bible he is referring to?

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      • Gezza

         /  30th March 2019

        There’ll be no shortage of possibilities. Just last night, channel surfing, I watched fascinated for about 30 minutes as a seventh day adventist preacher showed his flock how the book of revelation, when read in conjunction with the book of daniel, proves beyond any doubt that the anti-christ is the papacy.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  30th March 2019

          The Irish flag didn’t come into general use until the c.20, about 1919. A truce between the Orange and the Green ? That’s wishful thinking if ever I heard it.

          Gezza, some people I knew are convinced that the letter sequences in Revelation (I can’t remember how this worked, but think that one counted every xth letter or something like that) did that. It may also have ‘proved’ other things. There was one tiny wee flaw, of course, that we didn’t bother to point out; the Bible wasn’t written in English and even the King James Version isn’t the first English one.

          They had a video of Benny Hinn and another pastor whom we referred to as the Reverend Sycophant ( if bumcrawling was an Olympic sport, he’d win the gold medal) The RS was supposedly writing down BH’s words of wisdom, but it looked very unconvincing, and when the camera came close, he instinctively covered the page. They kept talking about the shewbread and pronouncing it as shoobread.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  30th March 2019

    Please, please, Theresa May, just resign and go. Your perpetuated agony is giving failure a bad name. What masochistic lunacy is keeping you “in power” but worse than useless?

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    • Duker

       /  30th March 2019

      Its not May who is the problem, just around 30 die hard Tories ( including Spartan brexiteers and absolute remainers) plus the 10 DUP who wont agree to any deal what so ever. If they had a new PM tomorrow they would face exactly the same problem.

      of course it wasnt Mays idea that the Brexit deal be decided in parliament anyway.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  30th March 2019

        Of course May is the problem. She has proven repeatedly she can’t negotiate her way out of a wet paper bag. It’s disgraceful she wasn’t rolled ages ago and as soon as she totally screwed up her snap election. She is just a walking disaster going nowhere.

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        • Duker

           /  30th March 2019

          The Conservatives increased their vote from the snap election. Its just the FPP system meant they lost seats overall. oh and the miscalculation which saw labour increase their vote as well by more than the conservatives did.
          But she was a new PM, who only got the Conservative leadership by buying off her rivals ( like medieval popes) instead of letting it be a ‘members vote’ as required by the party rules.
          The remainers having lost twice in national votes havent given up from destroying the leave process

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  30th March 2019

          Who would be the saviour and would they do any better? Basically you have a major policy with more or less equal support to stay or go.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  30th March 2019

            Hands up those who wish that someone would toss a coin and have done with it.

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            • Missy

               /  31st March 2019

              Not me, and no-one who voted Leave here. To revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit on the frivolous toss of a coin will cause a lot of problems in the UK, and has the potential of causing civil unrest.

              This is not some game, and after 3+ years of being promised by almost EVERY MP that the UK would leave the EU, with a majority vote to leave on 29 March on a default of no agreement, the people are feeling very betrayed right now. Not to mention the damage the actions of many MPs has done to the democratic process, and the damage the speaker has done to democracy as a whole. The UK has to leave the EU, and the only way to do it now is with no Withdrawal Agreement.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  31st March 2019

              I know that, but it’s been going on and on for so long now. I just wish that the UK government would pee or get off the pot.

              Nobody would have taken the coin-tossing literally, I hope.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  30th March 2019

            Yes, so the normal political solution is to find some common ground or sweeteners to create a plan forward. May has totally failed at that. There have to be better personality and political skills in the Government.

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            • Missy

               /  31st March 2019

              Not just May, the EU have totally failed, and going on comments coming from Brussels over the last week their aim is to drive the UK into cancelling Brexit and Remaining. If that happens the UK will never get to leave.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  31st March 2019

              Any suggestions Boris? Rees Mogg? It s one thing to find sweeteners to persuade MPs but Scotland, Northern Ireland and London want to stay and Wales and the rest of England want to go all by varying margins. How do you reconcile all that?

          • Missy

             /  31st March 2019

            If there was a leadership election that could be used to go for a long extension, hit re-set and try again, otherwise a new leader would most likely just leave with no agreement.

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      • Missy

         /  31st March 2019

        Duker, your comment shows that you don’t actually know what is happening with Brexit.

        It wasn’t May’s idea that it would be decided in Parliament, it was a court ruling after an anti-Brexit group of wealthy individuals took the Government to court to force them to have it decided in Parliament.

        And May is the problem, or at least the majority of the problem, for the following reasons:

        1. SHE put an EU federalist middling civil servant in charge of the negotiations undermining the Secretary of State

        2. SHE didn’t stick to her own promise that No deal is better than a bad deal, and this deal is a terrible deal, no sane country would accept the capitulation that this deal requires. The backstop is not the only problem with it.

        3. SHE is the one that (allegedly) let Angela Merkel write the deal

        4. SHE is the one that has tried to blackmail the MPs.

        As well as May the others that are the problem are:

        1. The speaker: He has consistently been inconsistent in which precedents he would adhere to, coincidentally the precedents he doesn’t adhere to seem to favour those in the House that want to stop Brexit.

        2. MPs who are now undermining the UK Government and doing all they can to stop Brexit after spending two years saying they will do everything to get Brexit through. I don’t like the Lib Dems but at least they have not been dishonest and (on the whole) they have not insulted the electorate, however, a number of Conservative MPs, a number of Labour MPs, and the new ‘Independent Group’ (not a party but acting like a party) who all originally got elected by saying that they will respect the referendum and that there will be no second referendum, but are now saying they will do everything to undermine Brexit, and are calling for a second referendum.

        Those 30 MPs and the DUP MPs are first and foremost following Government policy, why should they be at fault for just following what the Government said it would do? The deal is horrendous, and there is a growing call for the UK to leave without a withdrawal agreement, (saying no deal is a misnomer as it isn’t a deal it is the withdrawal agreement, the deal comes later).

        I am hoping to do a round up tomorrow after I have caught up on it all, the last couple of weeks have been occupied by NZ matters and I have lost track of what has been happening with Brexit.

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  5. Duker

     /  30th March 2019

    Camapign Breaches ?
    “Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 and reported to the police by the Electoral Commission after the watchdog found “significant evidence” of coordination with another campaign group, BeLeave.”

    Coordination – thats outrageous – was it with Russia or the Italian mafia ?

    “The commission’s long-awaited report said it had found evidence BeLeave spent more than £675,000 with the digital data company Aggregate IQ coordinated with Vote Leave, which should have been declared by the Brexit campaign group.

    Yawn. These sort of process breaches are common in western democracies, as theses ad hoc groups really under stands the details of the law. One of the reasons major political parties ( outside of US) keep the political leaders well away from raising money – that was until Bridges came along

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  30th March 2019

      Meanwhile the bureaucracy and the political establishment spent millions working for “Remain” none of which needed to be declared.

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      • Missy

         /  31st March 2019

        Alan, This shows the bias of the media in the UK on this. The Remain campaign were also fined for breaches, but this has not been reported widely.

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    • Missy

       /  31st March 2019

      Duker, what none of the pro Remain reporting will tell you is that Vote Leave sought advice from the Electoral Commission regarding their donations and spending, and were told that what they planned was fine. After the referendum the Electoral Commission then decided that Vote Leave had broken the law.

      All members of the Electoral Commission are pro Remain and some campaigned for Remain during the referendum.

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  6. Duker

     /  30th March 2019

    Its a worldwide phenomen
    ““This is happening everywhere,” said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard University political scientist, referring to the collapse of what scholars call Schumpeterian democracy, named for the Austrian theorist Joseph Schumpeter. Long the basis of modern democracy, in which establishments managed popular will and sought a common good, it is giving way to a new system that is both primal and distinctly 21st century.”

    “Across Europe, mainstream parties have splintered, weakening centrist leaders and empowering hard-line populists. In the United States, all-out partisan warfare has made cooperative governance unthinkable.”

    Its contardictary as well
    “In 2015, the political scientists Alan Abramowitz and Steven Webster identified a mystery: Americans expressed record levels of party loyalty and party-line voting, but were less likely than ever to identify as Republican or Democrat. How could people be simultaneously at their most partisan and least supportive of their own party?
    The answer, they found, was a rising force called negative partisanship. Americans increasingly voted based on their fear and distrust of the other side, not support for their own.
    The votes for Brexit permutations or even No brexit ,each time are NO

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