I’m not sure that a ‘non-partisan’ group set up by Jordan Williams for surveillance of surveillance would be embraced across the spectrum, especially when suggesting it he also takes a swipe at ‘those on the far left’.
Left versus right proposing surveillance powers
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Posted by Pete George on 30th March 2019
https://yournz.org/2019/03/30/left-versus-right-proposing-surveillance-powers/
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Duker
/ 30th March 2019Sounds like the right doesnt like suveillance when its going to be directed at them. Where was Jordan Williams all those years when Key was telling the public lies over ‘mass surveillance’
“Documents published by the NZ Herald today show, in Fisher’s summary, that “development of Speargun continued after the time [Key] had said he ordered a halt – apparently because the scheme was ‘too broad’”; that “Speargun wasn’t actually stopped until after Key was told in a secret briefing that details were likely to become public because they could be in the trove of secrets taken by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.” Spinoff
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11948852
A PM telling the public lies about the extent of surveillance, surely thats a prime area for a ‘Big Brother Watch’ , but Williams really only wants a partisan watch
artcroft
/ 30th March 2019Yawn. Key’s gone and bitching won’t bring him back, sadly. So question now is; do you support greater govt surveillance or not and why?
Duker
/ 30th March 2019It has to do with why we have got the surveillance we have , and why does Jordan Williams suddenly find he wants to play Dotcoms role as Big brother watchdog. Its certainly not because thats long been a cause of his.
Kitty Catkin
/ 30th March 2019I would have thought that broadcasting the extent and nature of surveillance would be akin to telling people how to avoid it.
Jordan Williams
/ 30th March 2019I have always argues that those on the centre right (i.e. suspicious about the power and size of the state) should be more cautious of state suveillance powers.
Duker
/ 30th March 2019of course …you were a big supporter of Kim Dotcoms crusade against state surveillance and the sis/gcsb over reach ( actually illegal activity )……Surely …..something more than complaining some minor bands who received NZ on air funding and later played at the Internet Partys campaign party.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tags/internet_party
instead we get
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tags/gcsb
The page you were looking for was not found.
thats right, partisan hack is the TU approach, because if the labour govt had been in power during the GCSB illegal activity it would have been a topic for months.
Blazer
/ 30th March 2019Yes as usual Key LIED.
Promised to resign if NZ’ers were subjected to ‘mass surveillance’…and then sidestepped with the feeble defence…it was only…’bulk collection’!🤦♂️
Duker
/ 30th March 2019Fisher could only write a story like that – or more correctly The Herald print it – after the 2017 election.
Kitty Catkin
/ 30th March 2019It’s very offensive to accuse someone of lying when they are not one.
You surely don’t expect to have all the details made public.
If you can’t understand the difference between mass surveillance and the other thing, that’s your problem.
NOEL
/ 30th March 2019Gee Blazer it’s no different to the data rules that allow your private medical data to be used by researchers.
Duker
/ 30th March 2019Data rules?
What use would anonomised data be to security services?
NOEL
/ 31st March 2019https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.igis.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/GCSB-Intelligence-Activity-re-South-Pacific.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiwz5LuparhAhVp16YKHc4LCscQFjADegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw0Y7jNm8eHUXzNBNVW1dHER