Anzac services Islamic prayer dropped after threats of violence

It hasn’t taken long for the ugliness of intolerance to come back to normal nasty levels.

A report that one Anzac service in New Zealand would include an Islamic prayer raised some genuine concerns, but also initiated a barrage of anger and threats that has resulted in a change of plan with the Islamic prayer deemed too risky.

It’s very sad to see threats of violence dictating what can and can’t be done, especially involving Anzc Day which has become New Zealand’s primary focus on the need for peace.

I think this is as bad as the threats of violence that have been used to try to stop international speakers from\m speaking at events in New Zealand.

What if there were threats of violence to try to eliminate Christian prayers from Anzac services?

What next – a ban on wearing anything on your head at a dawn service?

New Zealand appeared to have changed a lot after the Christchurch mosque massacres, and in some ways we have, but it has also stirred up discord that shows that we have a lot of work to do still to move towards a more tolerant and decent society.

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  1. sorethumb

     /  6th April 2019

    Tze Ming Mok of the BSA

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    • Gezza

       /  6th April 2019

      What are you on about? Doesn’t appear in the current or historical lists of members of the Broadcasting Standards Authority.

      It’s always bothered me that the Abrahamic god they all pray to was clearly AWOL at Gallipoli & where probably nearly all the dead & wounded of that time prayed to it to keep them safe.

      So I personally have no problem with any of them praying to their own version of it as part of remembering the victims of the human ape’s most dreadful & manipulable shortcomings.

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  2. Corky

     /  6th April 2019

    ”I think this is as bad as the threats of violence that have been used to try to stop international speakers from speaking at events in New Zealand.”

    I think the difference is those international speakers and our own Don Brash wanted to express their ”opinions.” A Muslim prayer during what many consider our most sacred day is a different story. It represents something alien to that day. It has no connection. In fact that religion also represents a solid core of adherents who want to destroy our way of life.

    A way life some of my family fought for. Unfortunately I didn’t get a chance to meet them because they are buried in war graves across Europe.

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    • Gezza

       /  6th April 2019

      I have no doubt that while Turkey under Ataturk was a decidely secular state, one of Ataturk’s primary goals being to make it so, the great majority of Turkish soldiers who died resisting an invasion by mostly Christian invaders, would have been Muslims, & would have prayed as earnestly for protection & deliverance to their version of the same deity as the invaders did.

      If you visit the Jackson ANZAC exhibition, a stunning piece of work, much more than I expected, which features & is built around the letters & reports & recordings of those of our men & women – nurses on the hospital ships – you will be able to sit in an alcove & hear one of them describing one of those days where the Battlefield was so littered with the stinking, bloated bodies of the untrievable fallen, a truce was requested and agreed so that both sides could retrieve the remains of their fallen comrades & give them a decent burial, & they interacted respectfully with each other, with understanding & mutual sympathy when they were given that opportunity. Before resuming the horrors of war.

      Anzac Day, to me, & my dad, a WW2 machine gunner in North Africa & Italy, to me is primarily about the killing of others in war & the abhorrence of it. He was a young volunteer seeking travel & experience & totally unprepared for what it was really like. And he saw some of our people do some awful things nobody ever talks about.

      But he didn’t hate the Afrika Korps soldiers, nor the “Eyeties” afterwards, certainly not by time we were old enuf to hear snippets of his experiences. Nor was he a jingoistic or fiercely patriotic individual or believer in the need to defend Mother England or the old Empire by doing their bidding.

      It’s quite common these days, when these wars have long since become history, for the former belligerents to share similar sentiments & allow attendance & remembrance & regret to be respectfully represented by the former foes and their descendants. It even happens all the time in Vietnam when US vets return. And if they pray at all it’s to their own deities or with their own joint religious ceremony.

      I don’t have a problem with prayers being said in other languages by other faiths. But I would like them to be translated in English, & perhaps Maori, out of respect for my culture & my country.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  6th April 2019

        I guess Jacinda doesn’t do it for the RSA members who had to fight with bullets instead of words and headgear.

        Someone got too far ahead without consultation.

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      • Duker

         /  6th April 2019

        I had read that for army conscripts who were Anatolian Turkish farmers, back in 1914 with a limited view of the world, those landing at Gallipoli were described as ‘Greeks” to emphasize they were Christian invaders. The Armenian ( christian) genocide began at about the same time as the Gallipoli landings – coincidence?

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    • Duker

       /  6th April 2019

      ” A Muslim prayer during what many consider our most sacred day is a different story.”

      The single RSA concerned asked for it . Dont you thinks its for them to decide and not your call and what some would call racist signally by stigmatizing a WHOLE group ( when will you learn Muslims extend from Europe , Middle East , Sub continent , China to South East Asia, Africa and Pacific.)

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      • Corky

         /  6th April 2019

        ”The single RSA concerned asked for it . Don’t you think it’s for them to decide and not your call and what some would call racist signally by stigmatising a WHOLE group”

        Yeah, that would be a given. I was expressing my opinion knowing it would have little affect on the RSA involved, unless the RSA as a whole wanted to implement a Muslim prayer, then many people like me would tell them straight. My cash donations would definitely stop.

        That said, as the babyboomer generation dies off, things will change. I will be gone. So I won’t care. The younger non thinking generation can reap their own rewards..and unfortunately a few our generation has bequeathed them.

        Stigmatizing a WHOLE group ( when will you learn Muslims extend from Europe , Middle East , Sub continent , China to South East Asia, Africa and Pacific.)

        You don’t say. I would never had guessed.

        Did you listen to the One News tonight, Duke? They said ANZAC day is considered ”Sacred” by many. SACRED..now who used that word on this thread..oh, that’s right, me.

        See, Duke, I understand issues in a way you never can.

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        • Duker

           /  6th April 2019

          One News is as foolish as you are
          Anzac day isn’t Sacred
          connected with God or a god or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.
          Do you really have any idea of what Anzac Day is….obviously not

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