Israel Folau ironically says that hell awaits idolators

Australian rugby player Israel Folau has condemned just about everyone to hell.

Sad to see someone using their star power to peddle this sort of stuff.

I note that he doesn’t condemn intolerance.

 

94 Comments

    • Corky

       /  11th April 2019

      ”Let’s repeat this for the daft; freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism of your speech.”

      Excellent.

      ”Israel Folau’s ongoing bigotry is disgraceful and Rugby Australia should be ashamed for letting it continue unpunished. World Cup year or not, he shouldn’t be a Wallaby.”

      And there you go again, another person wanting people punished for free speech they disagree with.

      So, yeah. Let’s criticise him and demand his life be ruined. That’s daft logic to me.

      Free speech plus affirmative action.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  11th April 2019

        I have noticed that you are not so enamoured of free speech when it’s made about you.

    • Mother

       /  11th April 2019

      Talking about hell shouldn’t bother us if we don’t believe in it.

      He’s just exercising his free speech. For him personally, perhaps he feels he is expressing love (by warning people).

      Where’s that Phantom? Perhaps he can explain the snowflakiness of this worrying about hell warnings.

      (And for the record, I have never expressed my views on hell. I find the Bible tricky. The good news is that we do have a Saviour. Even people who never read the Bible can know this truth and live it.)

      All this spiritual stuff on a political blog! Perhaps it’s time I provide a daily scripture in OF.

  1. David

     /  11th April 2019

    Perfect example as to why we shouldnt tinker and curb free speech, let this guy be seen for what he is. He is entitled to his views and should be free to express them, he is a sentient being in a free society where we dont have to think the way the state wants us to think and have to hide our bigotry as if we were living in some communist hell hole.
    I think he is a cock but am not in the least offended by what I think is his idiocy and bigotry.

    • Corky

       /  11th April 2019

      That’s it in a nutshell.

      Maybe these liberal types aren’t as secure in their beliefs as they like to make out. Given liberalism is based on humanism..the thought of a day of judgement by a force outside of themselves unconsciously terrifies them?

      Therefor they attack with a vengeance anything that threatens them as ”the author of their own lives.”

      • Gezza

         /  11th April 2019

        Well, no. It’s the exact opposite. What a bizarre hypothesis, Corks.

        Secular humanists’ problem with Folau here would be not that they are unconsciously terrified by thought of a day of judgement that will damn them, but that it is clearly that HIS irrational & unsupportable belief in one is terrifying him that others who do what his Bible scribblings say awaits those who do what he thinks will happen to him – & them.

        So he feels compelled to speak these threats in public, often. Compelled by his unsupportable beliefs. By ignorance, irrationality, & Biblically-inspired intolerance being used to threaten innocent people – in the perverse, immoral misbelief that he is being moral & has an obligation to threaten others because of the ancient Israelite’s cultural diktats they foolishly believe came from a creator God who talked to a snake, FGS!

        Secular humanists are just staggered that he and anyone can utter such threats dressed up as warnings based on such a load of utter bleeding cobblers.

        • Gezza

           /  11th April 2019

          However, I must add, that I do agree that those who want to shut him down for hate speech are fools. Although by some interpretations, it is hate speech. It’s just hate speech from the Bible. A conundrum.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  11th April 2019

            It’s not hate speech from the Bible so much as his own interpretation of the Bible.

            I hope that he isn’t rich; it’s easier for a camel to pass through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

            Nowhere is the animal you mean referred to as a snake, as far as I know. But why shouldn’t God talk to animals ? I do.

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              @ Kitty

              A serpent is another name for a snake, & the problem is the Hebrew Bible – the Old Testament, says this snake actually had real bloody conversations with the mythical Adam & Eve & The mythical Jaweh, who in this exchange actually shows himself, if he did actually exist, to be colloquially only) an asshole, because the tree in question is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

              Genesis 3 ►
              New International Version P
              The Fall

              1Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

              2The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,

              3but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”

              4“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.

              5“For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

              6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

              7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

              8Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

              9But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”

              10He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”

              11And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

              12The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

              13Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
              The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

              14So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

              “Cursed are you above all livestock
              and all wild animals!
              You will crawl on your belly
              and you will eat dust
              all the days of your life.
              15And I will put enmity
              between you and the woman,
              and between your offspring a and hers;
              he will crush b your head,
              and you will strike his heel.”
              16To the woman he said,

              “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
              with painful labor you will give birth to children.
              Your desire will be for your husband,
              and he will rule over you.”

              17To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

              “Cursed is the ground because of you;
              through painful toil you will eat food from it
              all the days of your life.

              18It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
              and you will eat the plants of the field.

              19By the sweat of your brow
              you will eat your food
              until you return to the ground,
              since from it you were taken;
              for dust you are
              and to dust you will return.”

              20Adam c named his wife Eve, d because she would become the mother of all the living.

              21The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side e of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

              Footnotes:
              a 15 Or seed
              b 15 Or strike
              c 20 Or The man
              d 20 Eve probably means living.
              e 24 Or placed in front

              This is from the NIV version of the Bible but it doesn’t matter which version or translation you use, it’s obviously a complete myth.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              Yup G, a load of bollocks.

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              Well, not only that, patu, but Christians who follow this damned book, then go go onto tonpoint out that it’s all symbolic n stuff but that this book is the inspired word of God & demonstrates that he loves humans & is good. Forgive me, but, Fuxake! The Good Book is full of stories showing that Jaweh’s a bloodthirsty, cruel, jealous, immoral, completely unreasonable, bastard. And he keeps on screwing up so much he has to keep wiping out his creatures & finding someone else to tell & execute a new plan. Because the previous one’s been useless.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              At best, it’s an entertaining work of fiction. You should read the book of mormon, if you haven’t already

            • Corky

               /  11th April 2019

              Love the story about the Urim and Thummim. I’m always surprised Mormons don’t realise they wound up in Utah because their leader got the boot from the Chicago area if I remember correctly.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  11th April 2019

              The Book of Mormon is not the Bible.

              I am sure that Mormons know their own history.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  11th April 2019

              They don’t realise your version because it never happened.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  11th April 2019

              A serpent can be a creeping animal; its etymological derivation is that. It can also be a musical instrument like the ones played in Thomas Hardy.It’s most likely to be a snake, because of the creeping nature of snakes.

              The Adam and Eve story could well be intended to be allegorical, so not a lie because it’s not meant to be taken literally any more than The Song of Solomon is or the Parables are.

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              @ Kitty

              It could be, but what on earth is wrong with this fictional all-powerful, all knowing God that it can’t just tell all its human creations exactly what it means & what it wants? Directly. Individually. Why in heaven’s name does it use such obscure witterings, to some ignorant scribe, when it knows the scribbles are going to get lost, mistranslated, into languages that will die out, misinterpreted, taken literally, argued about etc.

              And why does it want to show in this story what a really cruel, unreasonable, horrible beggar it really is?

              Answer? No idea. It’s either an idiot, hopeless communicator, didn’t think this through, not really powerful at all, and certainly not loving or good – or really just figment of some really dumb ancient writer’s imagination.

            • Corky

               /  11th April 2019

              The Mormon Trek.

              At one stage they had to survive by eating domesticated cats.
              😎✔

              https://www.history.com/news/why-the-mormons-settled-in-utah

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  11th April 2019

              We all know about the Mormon Trek; it was part of the curriculum at school.

              You seem unaware that far from fleeing Chicago, Joseph Smith was shot in prison somewhere else. He may have been in Chicago at some time in his life, but it’s not documented.

              There is no reason to suppose that they ate cats, domesticated or otherwise. This may seem amusing to you, but it’s hardly adult level of wit. Puerile is the word.

      • Gezza

         /  11th April 2019

        Given liberalism is based on humanism..the thought of a day of judgement by a force outside of themselves unconsciously terrifies them?

        In fact what you’re almost saying there is one of the most common mantras one hears from the Bible-thumping literalist fundies from the back-blocks & boondocks of the US Bible Belt, sooner or later, when they are losing to atheists or agnostics in debates:

        Y’all jus’ rejecting belief in God, who y’all actually know is real, cos y’all just want to SIN!

    • duperez

       /  11th April 2019

      I agree. Let his employers deal with whatever they expect from their employees. He can offset any consequent lack of earnings from them by getting a cut from all the media outfits who (make out they) hate what he’s saying but in fact love that he’s saying. he’s worth gold to them.

      He’s allowed to be a bigot and allowed to advertise that but he didn’t let me know he was, shoot any bile my way or preach some religious message to me. NZ media did that.

      As a side note, he’s done more to sink Aussie World Cup chances than any opposition could do. Good for him for that!

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  11th April 2019

        Given that all of us have lied at some point and many/most/all have stolen something (who has never done a petty theft ? Not me, alas) there’s not much hope. I can’t imagine God being as petty as Mr Folau, thank goodness.

  2. Trevors_elbow

     /  11th April 2019

    His view and based on his beliefs. Out of Love he is calling for repentence.

    Agree or disagree with his view let him speak.

    If you are homosexual why would you care what he says? You have agency to act as you believe or feel.

    There is no call for violence. He is simply following Jesus message of hate the sin, love the sinner… and spreading the gospel and Jesus message of his power to save anyone if the repent ….

    Really over the howls for bans, deplatforming, boycotts. Grow up and live your life in accordance to your own free will as long as you harm no other in doing so…

  3. Dave K

     /  11th April 2019

    “……..peddle this sort of stuff”

    What, like his opinion? How dare he have one that doesn’t conform, let alone express it.

    Sheesh….just imagine how tight sphincters would get (metaphorically?) if he went on a ‘crusade’ against homosexuality

    • Mother

       /  11th April 2019

      Challenges to tight sphincters is precisely what the majority needs to practise. The more we do so politely, the tighter those absurd unscientific abnormalities become, ready to spouse hate speech. Let the hate speakers reveal themselves.

      Mr Folau is using his ‘platform’ as an individual. I cannot see how his openness in doing so is anything near hatred. It looks like sensible freedom to me.

      • Gezza

         /  11th April 2019

        Well, yes, & as many folk are pointing out, others are free to tell him what they think of what he says, & why.

        Long may that continue.

        I actually feel sorry for him that his mind has been so warped by a book, & by those who interpret it with & for him, that he is trapped in that superstitious, erroneous belief.

    • Dave K

       /  11th April 2019

      Expressed very elloquantly by PC this am: http://pc.blogspot.com/2019/04/hate-speech-is-whatever-i-say-it-is.html

      “Australian rugby star Israel Folau had another religious-inspired online brain fart yesterday, telling his several thousand Instagram followers that gays, fornicators, idolators, and sundry others his Bible doesn’t like will all be going to hell unless they repent. Rather than not following his Instagram feed however, thousands of whiners instead passed around his post in order that millions might be offended by it, and now it’s gone viral his post is being “investigated” by “the Rugby Australia Integrity Unit” who, says the ARU, are now “engaged on the matter.”

      Instead of ridicule of the ridiculous, a rugby player’s posts are being “investigated” when of course there is nothing at all to investigate. (What’s to investigate? He’s just reading the Bible out loud.) But that’s not the point: the investigation itself is meant to have a chilling effect upon anyone else expressing anything similarly fatuous. That’s the real point of all of these inquisitions. Kneejerk reaction replaces righteous ridicule of his religiosity — and meanwhile the window of what it’s safe to talk about closes further.”

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  11th April 2019

    A black hole at the centre of his own universe. Pity his family.

  5. patupaiarehe

     /  11th April 2019

    It’s a big fat yawn from me. Mr Folau has simply proven, once again, that he is very fortunate to have found gainful employment in a field that only requires physical prowess…

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  11th April 2019

      Nice offload, patu!

      • patupaiarehe

         /  11th April 2019

        Every time I see an article online, regarding the opinion of some idiot so called celebrity who has offended somebody, my day improves slightly, due to seeing two things that amuse me 😉

  6. Cyril Figgis

     /  11th April 2019

    Perhaps the list Folau posted isn’t comprehensive but some notable omissions: Rapists, murderers, genocidal maniacs, people who chew popcorn in movie theaters with their mouths open, etc. It really highlights the priorities of this type of bigot. They’re not trying to save people or make the world a better place, they’re only showcasing their prejudices.

    I don’t really see this as a free speech issue. Folau is perfectly free to keep spouting stupid stuff, and anyone trying to prevent this is probably wasting their time. However, Australian rugby, or any organisation, do not have to let the Folau’s of this world represent them. So it’s up to Folau. If he truly wishes to play rugby representing his country, he can shut his pie-hole. If he truly wants to spread his views, he can live with the consequences.

    • patupaiarehe

       /  11th April 2019

      I find it rather amusing how virtue signalling can backfire, when the ‘wrong’ virtues are being signalled. Forty years ago, this sort of talk would have been quite acceptable… Thank Christ the internet wasn’t invented then.

      • Gezza

         /  11th April 2019

        Forty years ago, this sort of talk would have been quite acceptable

        Who to, do you think, & why?

        • patupaiarehe

           /  11th April 2019

          Well just for starters, homosexuality was illegal 40 years ago

          • Gezza

             /  11th April 2019

            Why do you think that was?

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              I’m not too sure G. I suspect it was due to a combination of so called morality & a desire to keep reproduction rates up. In spite of what some white supremacist websites allege in their distasteful memes, anal sex does not conceive brown babies 😉

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              You can divert with an unnecessary grubby racist & homophobic joke if you like but the more obvious probability is that this was a more strongly Christian country & its laws are heavily based on those from England, another bastion of Christianity. And the Bible condemns homosexuality, among other things. And that underpinned the revulsion many heterosexuals & Chritians feel about queers having sex with each other.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              Like it or not G, what consenting adult men choose to do to each other within the privacy of their own homes is entirely legal, even if you or I would rather not know about it. And that wasn’t diversion, I was illustrating a point

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              I have never argued othewise. And the point you “illustrated” is so patently absurd even a moron would know that, & it didn’t need making.

            • Mother

               /  11th April 2019

              I wondered if the tone of this thread got explicit to try and shoo the likes of me away.

              Do some men really stick their penises into the anuses of others? That’s disgusting.

              I suppose it’s all about power, as usual.

              Children have no power. Those are the people to care about concerning all our debates.

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              @ Mother

              I wondered if the tone of this thread got explicit to try and shoo the likes of me away.

              I doubt it, but maybe patu should answer that.

              You are, however, illustrating a point I made.

              I suppose it’s all about power, as usual.

              No I think it’s just about being sexually attracted to men, not women, & the sex drive being so strong in the human ape they make do with what’s available. But you should probably discuss this further, privately, with some gay or bisexual men if you really want to understand it.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              Despite what you may think Mother, it’s not all about you

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              There was no mention of yourself, nor Jesus, prior to you involving yourself in a conversation that G & I were having

            • Mother

               /  11th April 2019

              There’s nothing much more to understand unless there is some mysterious deeper meaning behind, ‘if it feels good do it.’

              We need science to prove the wisdom of our decisions. The science regarding modern LGBTQUI etc is yet immature.

              Meanwhile, caution should apply, for the children’s sake.

              BTW I love the people in my community who identify as LGBTQUI etc. I doubt that Mr Folau is motivated by hatred. It’s nice to see a young man willing to cope with unpopularity for stating the obvious – such as, sodomy is disgusting. Why would we want to endorse it?

              Many people perceive lies behind the political pushing regarding this modern issue. It only takes a few vocal voices to encourage truth. Perhaps Mr Folau is doing democracy a favour.

            • Mother

               /  11th April 2019

              Patu, I was joking.

              Sense of humour sure is on the decline with Kiwis.

              Over to you and Gezza mate. I might need to keep my vulnerable eyes diverted.

            • Mother

               /  11th April 2019

              Patu – who mentioned Jesus? What on earth does He have to do with this conversation?

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              Well, if he’s telling people there’s a place called hell some people who do things he doesn’t like go to when they die, for everlasting torture, & there’s no evidence whatsoever this place exists or that will happen, he could make children & people with only childlike cognitive abilities, anxious & neurotic – & that’s not doing society a favour.

              And if he means that he or other people will or should make such people’s lives a hell on earth – that’s not doing society a favour.

              But if other people tell him that either of those beliefs or implidvthreats are ridiculous & objectionable, then I would argue he might be doing society a favour, because then other people can see that sensible, normal, reasoning, or reasonable people, are telling him he’s wrong, or he’s a plonker – that might be society a favour, perhaps.

              If ill-mannered, unthinking, abusive people just give him abuse back, there’s not much benefit for society though.

              The problem Israel & you have to address at some time though, is if you think these people are offending against the God who made them, he also made their sex drive & who it attracts them to.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th April 2019

              Mother, I hope this won’t shock you too severely but there are quite a lot of women who also enjoy penises in unnatural places.

            • Mother

               /  11th April 2019

              Haha Alan. Shocking me is precisely what you hope to do.

              Yep, sex is often about power – and the children need protected.

              More power to Mr Folau I say. I hope he goes from strength to strength. He’s young. Old codgers should give him a break.

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              @Mother

              I might just mention in passing that I am classically heterosexual, like most people. I have never felt any sexual attraction to men, at all. Nor am I ever likely to. A male gay acquaintance certainly was attracted to me, said so, & was curious whether I might ever feel the same way, but I had to tell him no. I’m just not. I don’t even understand exactly how it works it as I don’t experience it.

              However, I hsve also had social & work acquaintances at times who are lesbians, & who are only sexually attracted to women. And I can understand how it feels to be attracted only to women.

              Howver, I have also had social & work acquaintaces

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              Dunno how that last part-sentence ended up there. Safari or WordPress threw a wobbly & it had disapeared from the textbox, so I hsd to retype it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th April 2019

              @Mother, if Folau has any homosexual children they will certainly need protection.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th April 2019

              “Sex is often about power”

              I don’t think so. Sometimes with obnoxious people but mostly it’s about need, pleasure and literally “making love”.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  11th April 2019

              Al, on the power thing an impertinent question if I may…

              When you’re indulging in a bit of sexy time with the missus are you making love to her or with her. This is an important distinction

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              As the old Yorkshire saying so cogently puts it: “There’s now’t so queer as folk”.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th April 2019

              @C, both. Is there a distinction? When you are making love “to” you are seeking the response “with”. That is the ultimate goal. And afterwards the shared closeness, affection and contentedness.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  11th April 2019

      I have two good friends, women, who have been together for 23 years. What they do in private is none of my business or anyone else’s. It’s the same with what gay men do. Even if someone finds the thought unappealing, it’s still none of their business. They’re not being asked to join in.

      I don’t think that the Folau thing would have been acceptable 40 years ago. By then, I imagine, most people regarded gay sex as the business of those who did it.

      The list of sins would exclude hardly anyone. We have probably all stolen something ! Even a small theft is a theft. Pinching a piece of paper at work to use for a shopping list was among the things listed in an article that proved that theft in the workplace was rife.I hope that God wouldn’t send someone to hell for stealing a piece of paper and the ink that was used to write on it.

      • patupaiarehe

         /  11th April 2019

        The list of sins would exclude hardly anyone.

        Which was the original point that I was attempting to make Kitty. People seem to be getting all upset about the opinions of this of this guy, yet his opinions are only a reflection of his own ignorance. Why people allow his opinions to upset them, is beyond my understanding.

        • patupaiarehe

           /  11th April 2019

          Why all the outrage, and demands for him to lose his job? Far better to mock him, in the manner he deserves…

          • Conspiratoor

             /  11th April 2019

            This is what you folks don’t get. Mocking him makes him stronger. While it might give you some jollies he doesn’t give a rats what you and others think. His faith and conviction is so deeply entrenched within him that this stuff just washes off and reinforces his belief system.

            A strong christian faith does this to a man and this is something the rational mind just cannot comprehend. G and others attempts to ‘debate’ Mother is just silly in this context

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              I do get it C. He cares as little about my opinion as I care about his. The difference is that nobody GAF about what I think, yet for some reason this idiots opinions are national news

            • Conspiratoor

               /  11th April 2019

              ‘Some reason’ is because you and countless other media hounds seem to want to make a big deal of it. Have you ever stopped to think what his team mates and those closest to him might think?

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              I didn’t make a big deal of it C, others did that. I suspect those closest to him share the same ideals, and his team mates most likely regard him as an idiot, for not adhering to the clause in his contract that states he is not to make public statements that may bring the club into disrepute

            • Conspiratoor

               /  11th April 2019

              Patu, contracts are tradeable commodities nothing more. The clubs are gutless bastards. This guy’s a superstar so their ‘reputations’ suddenly mean diddly squat

            • Gezza

               /  11th April 2019

              A strong christian faith does this to a man and this is something the rational mind just cannot comprehend.

              Au contraire, c, mon ami. A rational mind CAN comprehend this situation. Irrational, unthinking, ignorant, or minds unexposed to the Christian faith might struggle with it.

        • patupaiarehe

           /  11th April 2019

          • Corky

             /  11th April 2019

            Because mocking him isn’t enough. Liberals and associates want to destroy him. He’s not buying the accepted narrative. He’s evil and nasty. Gays are cool.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  11th April 2019

          I think that people feel that he is misusing his position…and he is being appallingly judgemental ! He is famous as a sportsman, not a preacher. Perhaps if he didn’t wear the uniform it would not aggravate the other players !

          • patupaiarehe

             /  11th April 2019

            What position would that be? As I’ve said earlier in this thread, his ‘position’ isn’t due to his intellect. He has(had) a place in that team because he was big & could run fast. A clever man in his position, would keep his opinions to himself, but obviously he isn’t too clever..

            • Mother

               /  11th April 2019

              Appallingly judgemental? According to scripture, he’s unwise to pass judgement on the world. But he’s young and wants his say. Let him do that, without judging him appallingly.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  11th April 2019

              Didn’t you just judge him Mother, “according to scripture”???

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  12th April 2019

              Position isn’t quite the right word, but I couldn’t think of a better one (I am in the throes of a head cold) But if he’s in his footy gear and speaking as a member of whatever team he’s in, that is different to him doing it as just him.

  7. Conspiratoor

     /  11th April 2019

    I have to be honest.
    If i could choose my neighbour and had a choice between a thieving dipsomaniac, adulterous fornicator and a god fearing israel, i’d probably tilt towards the latter. Boring as hell but at least i’d be able to leave the house unlocked and know the missus was in safe hands

    • Gezza

       /  11th April 2019

      Well, you’d certainly want to hope so. But there have been a few televangelists with the same beliefs that were found wanting. And wanting someone else’s monkey, so to speak.

      • Mother

         /  11th April 2019

        “….if Folau has any homosexual children they will certainly need protection.” (Alan)
        This is a harsh nasty judgement. I hope that Mr and Mrs Folau manage to raise up their children to be safe and happy citizens and that they will always love their children.

        We don’t know, Consp, whether Mr Falou takes the flak easy or hard. Who knows? Maybe he’s a person whose natural relish does not involve being labelled a protagonist. Being sporty will help I suppose. He can burn off frustrations physically.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  11th April 2019

          Why on earth do you think my judgement is harsh, Mother? I wonder if this idiot has thought for a moment what he will do if his son or daughter turns out to be homosexual. If he had, he will definitely be a danger to them, certainly psychologically and possibly physically. If not, his God only knows what he will do but the omens are bad.

      • Gezza

         /  11th April 2019

        Also, c, as I was vehiculating down to ma’s for dinner & to watch Te News, I realised that if the urge or opportunity should ever overwhelm him, Izzy already knows how to sin & still get away with it.

        And he tells us that in PG’s post meme. It works for those wayward telegodbotherers too. They might be deluded, but they’re not stupid.

  8. FarmerPete

     /  11th April 2019

    I see Adam Thompson has called for Folau’s axing, saying he has no place in rugby. I wonder if he would be keen to include players who smack their wives and girl friends around in that ban?

    • Mother

       /  11th April 2019

      How sad that sports unions own people. It’s not sporting. I hope he gets a better job.

      How frustrating that sports unions feel the need to champion the morals of society. It’s strange. I hope they grow up.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  11th April 2019

        Professional sport is an entertainment business. Like any other business when you piss off your customers you get fired.

      • patupaiarehe

         /  11th April 2019

        Sad? Not really, he’s facing the same consequences as anyone else whose words/actions brought his employer into disrepute. Just because you subscribe to a similar belief system to him, it does not make said consequences unjust.

        • Mother

           /  11th April 2019

          I’m sure he was aware of the impending consequences.

          My belief system is different to Mr Falou’s from what I can see.

          Each to their own, hopefully with respect and kindness from others around you.

    • patupaiarehe

       /  11th April 2019

      The most entertaining thing about this, is that drunks are number one on his ‘hit list’. Call me crazy, but I suspect that alcohol may have been involved in one of the highest paid rugby players ever, throwing away his multi million dollar contract.

    • Corky

       /  11th April 2019

      Meanwhile in Tulon.

  1. Israel Folau ironically says that hell awaits idolators — Your NZ – NZ Conservative Coalition