Hmm – Notre Dame conspiracies linked to Christchurch conspiracies

How the far right is trying to turn Notre Dame into the next Reichstag Fire

It didn’t take long. Within hours of the news breaking of a devastating fire at the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris, far-right leaders were leaping on it, using dog whistles and fabrications to promulgate their theories on white supremacy and the perceived superiority of Western civilisation.

A large subset also hinted or directly asserted that the fire was caused by Muslims – possibly in retribution for the Christchurch shooting.

This contradicts all media reports and the word of the French police. Although French officials told media outlets that the fire was accidental as early as 5:19 am New Zealand time – less than an hour after the catastrophe began and while the blaze was still burning – a wide range of far-right figures were quick to cast doubt.

Stefan Molyneux, the Canadian provocateur whose speaking tour in New Zealand last year was cancelled following protests, started off by “just asking questions” about the safety procedures at the cathedral.

Also on Twitter, prominent “alt-right” troll Jack Posobiec – who at one time championed the Pizzagate and Seth Rich conspiracy theories – discussed his own doubts. He tweeted and later deleted, “I notice [US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar] is awfully quiet today,” as if the Muslim congresswoman had personally set the fire.

He later joined a number of right-wing commentators condemning Fox News host Shepard Smith. Smith was interviewing former French politician and convicted libeller Philippe Karsenty when the latter suggested the fire was intentional. “Of course, you will hear the story of the political correctness which will tell you it’s probably an accident,” Karsenty said.

Smith was quick to shut down Karsenty, refuting his baseless allegations and then kicking him off the show. Posobiec and others denounced Smith for this.

White supremacist Richard Spencer … posted on Tuesday: “If the Nortre [sic] Dame fire serves to spur the White man into action – to sieze [sic] power in his countries, in Europe, in the world – then it will have served a glorious purpose and we will one day bless this catastrophe.”

ll these tactics serve a single purpose: promulgating far-right ideology and recruiting new adherents. The far-right wants to identify Notre Dame as a pinnacle achievement of “Western civilisation” – a dog whistle term for white civilisation. In many cases, this is blatant. In his YouTube video, Molyneux described Notre Dame as a Western achievement, then went on to argue that white men were responsible for “way more than 90 percent of scientific innovations from 800 BC to 1950 AD,” a reference to a debunked statistic from race scientist Charles Murray.

By synonymising Notre Dame and Western civilisation, the far-right wants to convince those who understand their underlying meaning that white culture is in danger, also known as the white genocide conspiracy theory.

This theory posits that white people are at risk of being replaced by increased diversity in majority white countries and increased tolerance of racial and cultural differences. Notre Dame has become, literally overnight, an icon of white genocide – a Reichstag Fire for a generation of white supremacists desperate to believe they are the victims.

A select few have gone even further and directly connected the accident in Paris to the Christchurch terror attack. Noting that the fire began on April 15 Paris time and the shootings occurred on March 15 New Zealand time, low-profile conspiracy theorists have argued that the fire was retribution.

Deeper down the rabbit hole, some on the far-right Twitter-style platform Gab argued that the Christchurch attack was a hoax, and that the fire was either started by the same people who organised Christchurch, or that the Muslims who they assume to have started the fire were tricked by the false flag.

Of course, none of these claims have basis in fact. It may seem to most to be very obviously nonsense, but the month since Christchurch has shown us that plenty of people will believe what a majority consider absurd.

How the far right is trying to turn Notre Dame into the next Reichstag Fire

And what looks like becoming conspiracy central in New Zealand, Whale Oil, has also been been trying to stoke the conspiracy fires, usually in posts like Things that make me go hmm – ‘hmm’ is code there for disingenuous promoting of crap ‘theories’.

 

 

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  1. Corky

     /  19th April 2019

    No definite cause for the fire has been given..only a likely cause of an electrical fault. That to my mind means anything is still possible but unlikely. That is a fact..unless this news report is wrong or has been updated. ( as of 7 hours ago).

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/04/short-circuit-likely-cause-of-notre-dame-cathedral.html

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    • “No definite cause for the fire has been given”

      So no excuses for perpetuating conspiracy crap.

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      • Corky

         /  19th April 2019

        I wasn’t perpetrating any conspiracy crap… only being opened minded give the facts.

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        • Duker

           /  19th April 2019

          Yes you are spreading crap….you have a history of it.
          They had smoke alarms which did go off but initially software gave wrong location..further smoke alarms would have showed growth of fire from it’s starting point.
          Yes they can tell when an electrical fault has started a fire by the evidence at the source….it’s whole science of how fires start and spread.
          Accelerants have a different pattern both at the beginning and how they spread

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          • Corky

             /  19th April 2019

            ”Yes they can tell when an electrical fault has started a fire by the evidence at the source….it’s whole science of how fires start and spread.”

            That’s why you are a moron. Honestly you need to get your head around whether you want to debate or just just take cheap shots. Not that it worries me. The more you write…the more I laugh. I can’t help it.

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            • Blazer

               /  19th April 2019

              you’ve taken numerous so called ‘cheap shots’ Corky..and you’re still..standing/struggling/spanking.

            • Corky

               /  19th April 2019

              Grates, doesn’t it. All those underhand tricks, and I still hit back and, more than not, am right. Now you know why I will always be the better person.😎✔

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2019

              Technically, according to some, we probably need to wait for Judgement Day for a definitive, independent ruling on that last one, Corks.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  19th April 2019

          @Corky a very odd state you are in, “open minded” with a closed mind, almost hoping for the worst.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th April 2019

        It’s all perfectly predictable but completely off the wall, in my view. Much more likely to be accident or an “Act of God”

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        • Corky

           /  19th April 2019

          In the wall would be more likely.

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          • Gezza

             /  19th April 2019

            The fire that extensively damaged Windsor Castle in 1992 began in the Queen’s Private Chapel when a curtain was ignited by a spotlight pressed up against it. A tiny oversight cause a major conflagration. I expect something similar will come out at the end of this.

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  2. Kitty Catkin

     /  19th April 2019

    From ghoulies and ghosties and long-leggetie beasties and things that go ( ‘hmmmmm..) .’ in the night/May the good Lord deliver us.

    I have heard a theory that it was begun by an angry worker.

    The idea of a Muslim who wasn’t a bona fide worker being able to go into the cathedral while all the construction workers were there is too silly for words. Or do these people think that Muslims applied to work there with this in mind ? Some people will believe anything as long as it’s daft enough.

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    • Duker

       /  19th April 2019

      Electrical faults give direct evidence ,accelerants give completely different evidence.
      For the Boeing 737 that crashed Ethiopia was smashed into millions a pieces…however knowing what to look for meant they found crucial evidence…same goes for Nortre Dame the building is largely intact and the scaffolding on the roof is still there along with the electrical wiring put in for the renovations .

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  20th April 2019

        I saw a house going up in flames because someone hadn’t taken the lint from the dryer. Which of us hasn’t done that at some time ?

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  3. duperez

     /  19th April 2019

    People like Richard Spencer at some times in history would have been drowning women because they were witches as shown by them not being able to not blink for an hour. Or being burned on a pyres themselves for saying lunatic things.

    Now they simply tweet or go online and show by any standards they are of severely diminished mental and emotional capacity. i.e. retard f’wits.

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  4. The Consultant

     /  20th April 2019

    “Western civilisation” – a dog whistle term for white civilisation.

    The first time I ever heard this theory was at university in the mid-1980’s, and it wasn’t being pushed by the “alt-right” or “white supremacists”.

    No, it was being pushed by a tiny handful of Leftist academics and student activists. Their aim, as they explained it, was to push “Western Civilisation” off its pedestal by making clear that it was dependent on things like racism, colonialism, slavery, etc – and that it was all down to Whites, especially White Men.

    And this wasn’t just New Zealand. Here’s an article discussing the impact of Jesse Jackson’s march at Stanford University in 1988, with its well known rallying cry:

    Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Western Civ Has Got to Go

    But now the likes of The Spinoff, the 21st century’s answer to The Listener, report that White Supremacists have taken up the idea? Perhaps they’d be less shocked if they knew the history? Or perhaps it’s just convenient to forget that it was Leftists like them who first promoted the idea.

    Similarly with Identity Politics and Intersectionality theory, which divide people up on the basis of things like skin colour, gender and other factors not controlled by people – the complete abandonment of the Martin Luther King’s “content of character” – and then wield them together again for voting purposes by providing a common enemy, which is White people.

    As numerous Left commentators noted, Donald Trump’s election in 2016 was due in large part to White voters finally acting like….. another Identity Politics group. Their thinking was, “why not us tool”?

    Just as a taster for where this is heading, here’s a 1 minute promo for a new TV series in the USA, called The Good Fight.

    The whole premise of the show is that violence should be used against people with the wrong opinions, that it’s the moral thing to do. No opposing argument to this idea is presented in that trailer, nor in the pilot episode. You’ll notice a lot of the people getting decked while talking are White.

    This is from CBS, one of the three main broadcast networks in the USA. They’re dying, but it looks like they’re determined to cause a lot of collateral damage for ratings on their way down.

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