Trump – pathological liar, cheat, abuser, unhinging

The Donald Trump problem has been excused by many, but it is getting worse and he should be called for what he is:

  • a pathological liar who continues to lie about things when clearly incorrect or shown to be incorrect
  • a cheat in marriage, a cheat in golf, someone who tries to cheat the legal system, democracy
  • an abuser of anyone who challenges his position, his lies, his cheating, his integrity (there is little of that)
  • he thinks he is above the law and can subvert justice

He can’t be believed, and he can’t be trusted. He is a disgrace and a danger to the presidency of the United States.

He thinks he is above the law and can subvert justice.

He is obsessed with being seen to ‘win’ and attacks anyone he thinks might prevent him from winning.

And this is all out in the open and obvious. It’s fair to presume he has done more and worse that we don’t know about.

What got him into the presidency and what keeps him there are the excuses and inaction of supporters, and of politicians and officials and staff who pander to his narcissism.

The just released Mueller report has revealed that some officials have ignored his orders to subvert justice and to do other crazy things – it is just at well that he haasn’t been able to find enough family and sycophants to fill all the positions in the White House.

And if anything Trump is getting worse, going by the tantrum he has thrown over the Mueller report. And this shows how widely and wildly he can swing.

When the mildly worded Barr summary was released Trump praised it and praised Mueller and claimed (falsely) complete exoneration.

Now the full Mueller report has been released, which hasn’t painted him in a good light but came short of recommending prosecution for  his attempts to obstruct justice, Trump is praying at the report and everyone involved in it.

It is common for him to condemn critics, or in this case people who are required to comply with the law in an inquiry, as Democrats (often falsely) and haters. He has an army of supporters who repeat his ‘hater’ accusations to try to attack the messenger and divert from his faults.

More tweets in reaction to the report:

“Donald Trump was being framed, he fought back. That is not Obstruction.” I had the right to end the whole Witch Hunt if I wanted. I could have fired everyone, including Mueller, if I wanted. I chose not to. I had the RIGHT to use Executive Privilege. I didn’t!

The framing and witch hunt claims are nonsense. There are ways of ‘fighting back’ (dealing with judicial inquiries) without trying to sack those officials working on behalf of the US government.

Anything the Russians did concerning the 2016 Election was done while Obama was President. He was told about it and did nothing! Most importantly, the vote was not affected.

A common tactic of trump is to blame others, in this case Obama. And he’s wrong about the vote not being affected. It must have been affected by Russian actions.

When there is not an underlying crime with regard to Collusion (in fact, the whole thing was a made up fraud), it is difficult to say that someone is obstructing something. There was no underlying crime.”

“If dozens of Federal prosecutors spent two years trying to charge you with a crime, and found they couldn’t, it would mean there wasn’t any evidence you did it – and that’s what happened here – that’s what we just learned from the Mueller Report.”

It doesn’t mean there “wasn’t any evidence”. There was evidence cited in the report. It’s just that officials chose not to prosecute the President.

“The Mueller Report is perhaps the single most humiliating thing that has ever happened to the White House Press in the history of this Country. They know they lied…Many reporters lied about Russia Collusion and so much more. Clapper & Brennan, all lies”

The accusations of lies are common – while ignoring the biggest liar of all, Trump.  It’s a common tactic of his (and his friends and excusers in media) to accuse others of what he does.

So he has gone round media cherry picking people defending him, and ignoring everything else.

The game is obviously not over. Trump is playing it as hard as ever. The more he protests the more it loks like he is trying to hide something or divert from something.

Statements are made about me by certain people in the Crazy Mueller Report, in itself written by 18 Angry Democrat Trump Haters, which are fabricated & totally untrue. Watch out for people that take so-called “notes,” when the notes never existed until needed.

Because I never agreed to testify, it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the “Report” about me, some of which are total bullshit & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad).

If it wasn’t necessary for him to respond, why is he trying to respond now via Twitter?

This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened, a…

He appears to have not finished that sentence. Maybe someone finally disabled his Twitter account.

The inquiry wasn’t illegally started. And it wasn’t a hoax.

The patently untrustworthy abusive Trump is a disgrace to the presidency. But so far he has managed to keep a mass of supporters and apologists on his side. And there isn’t much that can be done but wait out his four year term, leaving him to rant and rave on Twitter and at political rallies, leaving those in key positions at the White House and in Government positions to ignore his worst commands, and otherwise scramble in the chaos that Trump perpetuates.

Every time Trump tweets he panders to a crowd, but he also keeps putting on record his incompetence and unsuitability for the job.

Trump will no doubt achieve some positives, all presidents do. But he is also clocking up some major negatives, like a growing trade deficit despite heavy handed tariffs. Like US debt, now over $20 trillion. Like the ongoing problems on the US-Mexico border.

Every president keeps accumulating criticisms – Trump more so than most, for good reason. The more he is challenged and exposed (with a lot of self exposure) the more unhinged he appears to get.

That’s dangerous for someone in his position. It is potentially dangerous for the world.

Note: this post is not about squirrels or the media or Obama or the Clintons, all flawed, but all different stories. It is about Trump’s his lying, his abusiveness, his behaviour unbecoming of a president (or any politician). Critique or try to defend that and don’t try to divert.

87 Comments

  1. Jacqueline

     /  20th April 2019

    It’s not feasible to avoid diversions, especially when lies abound.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  20th April 2019

    How could he subvert justice if he was innocent of the accusations? How come he is the one being called a liar?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  20th April 2019

      And how come the story is now about the investigation instead of the crime it was supposedly investigating?

      Political claptrap.

      • Corky

         /  20th April 2019

        I don’t know whether the American political system allows Trump to call an election..if it did, now would be the time to go to the people. My bet is he would win with ease. I can’t see a gay guy who seems to be a carbon copy of Obama winning against Trump at this stage of the election cycle.

        • Pink David

           /  20th April 2019

          No, that would be foolish. He has two more years of winning while the Democrats keep shooting what is left of their feet.

    • Blazer

       /  20th April 2019

      Trump…lying….never in…Wilkies…world!

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  20th April 2019

        Newsflash for Blazer: Every politician lies.

        • Yes, every politician can be economical with the truth and can be pinged for lying directly or by omission.

          But Trump is far more blatant at lying, frequently, than anything else I have seen.

          That other politicians lie less is not a valid excuse for his pathological lying.

          • Pink David

             /  20th April 2019

            “That other politicians lie less is not a valid excuse for his pathological lying.”

            It also means the public don’t care much about it. They are already well used to politicians lying.

            • I think a lot of the public do care about politicians who lie.

              A good question though is why some people don’t care about politicians lying, or Trump lying.

            • Pink David

               /  20th April 2019

              “A good question though is why some people don’t care about politicians lying, or Trump lying.”

              Because they are use to it, and expect them to do so. In the words of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez; “Facts Don’t Matter”

            • Corky

               /  20th April 2019

              I’ll answer that , Pete. People like me will take any politician who does something and tries to make good on his word. I don’t care how much lying he does ( it’s only a matter of degrees anyway), or how many shelias he bangs. As long as he does something. What more can you ask for in a politician? After all, they have a very limited shelf life.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  20th April 2019

              There are women politicians now. There have been women politicians for a long time.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  20th April 2019

              Here’s an answer – otdinary people tell a lie every few minutes of conversation. So why would they expect politicians to be different?

              https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-06/uoma-urf061002.php

          • Patzcuaro

             /  20th April 2019

            My question is, how can someone who has no concept of the truth make rational decisions?
            The Conservatives amongst us seem to be happy as long as the Republicans are in the White House regards of the consequences.
            It is a waste of time trying to impeach Trump, sane Americans just have to get out and vote in 2020 before they get to the iceberg.
            Lookout on the SS Trump, “Captain there is an iceberg dead ahead” Captain’s response ” Don’t listen to the fool, Fox News says there are no icebergs”
            We all know what happens next, and Captain Trump would be the first person into a lifeboat.

            • Pink David

               /  20th April 2019

              “My question iis how can someone who has no concept of the truth make rational decisions?”

              I refer you again to the following quote from Democrat Congress woman, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:

              “Facts Don’t Matter’

              “The Conservatives amongst us seem to be happy as long as the Republicans are in the White House regards of the consequences.”

              This is painfully wrong. Conservatives are happy because, to a large degree, the policy actions being taken align with their expectations and values.

            • Griff.

               /  20th April 2019

              Yes conservative ideals .
              Like import tariffs, protectionism for inefficient industry’ s, unwinnable trade wars, running huge deficits and walking away from western allegiances.

              What did Trump promise?

              Remembering the art of the deal promise high then once you have them sighed up who cares your promises dont count.

              Replace Obama care .
              Nope.
              Bring back coal .
              Nope.
              Build the wall.
              Nope .
              Fiscal responsibility run a balanced budget and wind back the deficit.
              Nope.
              Even out the balance of Trade .
              Nope.
              One word for cult 45.
              SUCKERS…….

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  20th April 2019

            I get it that you don’t like Trump, PG, and everyone intelligent will have some sympathy with that but that’s where it ends. The rest is just a ridiculous beat-up with zero basis other than political spin.

            • Do you think having a pathological liar for president should be just accepted?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  20th April 2019

              The response should be to put up a better candidate, not to try to overturn an election result you don’t like by fake accusations.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  20th April 2019

              @Alan I agree unfortunately the US electoral system is not a level playing field.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  20th April 2019

      Pete has a raging TDS infection….no other explanation…..

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  20th April 2019

          Cute picture….. doesn’t change the fact you have banged the drum relentlessly on anti trump stories and on this collusion trumped up charge there is absolutely nothing after two years of looking…..

          The step sideways to obstruction is a sure sign of blind dislike and fixation

          Having just read a biography on Saint JFK I can tell you the difference between him and Trump is a compliant media, cute little kids and an early death at the hands of assassins

          (Ps Pete … good on you for leaving a pointed comment up)

          • Corky

             /  20th April 2019

            And Joe Kennedy who bribed everyone right down to the Whitehouse cat.
            Isn’t that corruption?

    • He tried to influence and discredit the investigation and tried to sack investigators. That’s obstruction.

      So why would he try to obstruct? Why did he say he was fucked when the investigation was started?

      • Pink David

         /  20th April 2019

        “He tried to influence and discredit the investigation and tried to sack investigators. That’s obstruction.”

        Not correct. If his actions were obstruction, there would be a good legal case against him. There is not. The report has just proven that.

      • Pink David

         /  20th April 2019

        “So why would he try to obstruct? ”

        Because he knew he didn’t collude with Russia, and he was not a Russian agent. Just note the report declared that the White House cooperated at every level, and exerted no executive privilege. There is no case for obstruction.

        “Why did he say he was fucked when the investigation was started?”

        Because these investigations, in the past, have been all consuming and stop any progress with policy and the legislative agenda.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  20th April 2019

        It’s obstruction of a bogus investigation, not of justice.

        Who knows why he would say his was fucked without knowing context and who claimed he said it and when.

  3. Pink David

     /  20th April 2019

    “Now the full Mueller report has been released, which hasn’t painted him in a good light but came short of recommending prosecution for his attempts to obstruct justice, Trump is praying at the report and everyone involved in it.”

    That’s really disingenuous. He didn’t do anything posecutable, so of course it ‘came short of recommending prosecution’. It has proved that the headlines for the past two years on Trump/Russia have been little more than a hoax.

    “And this is all out in the open and obvious. It’s fair to presume he has done more and worse that we don’t know about.”

    It was in the open before he was elected. It’s not a new and important discovery, Trump has been an open book for decades. Your claim ‘he has done more and worse’ is simply not credible.

    “And it wasn’t a hoax.”

    Where is the collusion between Trump and Russia?

  4. Griff.

     /  20th April 2019

    How could he subvert justice if he was innocent of the accusations

    There is your problem Alan.
    He has not been found Innocent.
    Not enough evidence has been found to convict your cults leader directly.
    There is a huge gulf between the two ideas.
    We can prove this because your view was the same well before any evidence was presented and ignores the known links between members of his team and the Russians.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  20th April 2019

      Oooooh Griff buys the Little line on innocence… Guilty until Proven Innocent.

      High level lollies are all dodgy … at, near or over the line all the time.

      He won. Hillary lost. The 2 year collusion smear has been thoroughly investigated and nothing found to support the smear….so now its he tried to subvert/obstruct.

      Beyond pathetic are the Democrats… but understandable as they lurch ever leftward and that means unaccepting of a democratic outcome unless it goes there way.

      I dont like Trump. But this has been a complete beat up…

      • Griff.

         /  20th April 2019

        Again
        it is not nothing was found.
        The report says this clearly .
        It was not enough was found to convict the president a very high bar to hurdle .
        Cult orange….

        And we get the same old Hillery distraction.
        like a bunch of programed Muppets and the choreographed response to anything that upsets their cult .

        By the way Trev.
        Your butt hurt is showing……

        • Pink David

           /  20th April 2019

          “like a bunch of programed Muppets and the choreographed response to anything that upsets their cult .”

          Project much…your posts are nothing more than a carbon copy of a CNN news feed.

          “Not enough evidence has been found to convict your cults leader directly.”

          Just to point out, there is no evidence to convict. Your statement creates the impression all you need is some more of the same ‘evidence’, when there is actually none.

      • Blazer

         /  20th April 2019

    • Pink David

       /  20th April 2019

      “There is your problem Alan.
      He has not been found Innocent.
      Not enough evidence has been found to convict your cults leader directly.”

      The beautiful thing about this is the Democrats ‘Fresh Faces’ are about to try an impeachment based on your logic. It will be fun to see how it turns out.

      https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/rashida-tlaib-impeachment-signatures/index.html

  5. David

     /  20th April 2019

    No collusion, no obstruction, no prosecution nothing so instead of going well thank god for that nope we have Trump is a sub optimal politician with questionable but no means unusual personal behaviour so he must be guilty. Ridiculous.

  6. The Consultant

     /  20th April 2019

    That’s obstruction

    Actually, legally, it’s not. I realise that’s a hard pill for Trump haters to swallow. All rational points aside, he personally offends you.

    Andrew McCarthy, a former prosecuter with the Southern District of NY, the guy who got the “Blind Shiek” convicted on terrorism charges and a man with a lot of experience working with the FBI, had this investigation nailed from the start and been proven correct at every stage of the investigation when dealing with hysterical MSM nonsense. Writing in The National Review, a right-wing magazine that so loathed Trump they produced one entire edition devoted to stopping his nomination, McCarthy has this to say:

    So his wrap-up is short and blunt:

    Barr elaborated that he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein disagreed with Mueller on whether these incidents even could have amounted to obstruction as a matter of law.

    And he provides a specific example:

    If prosecutors were to decide that, even if the evidence showed corrupt intent on the part of the president, a president’s firing of the FBI director cannot constitutionally amount to an obstruction crime, then the prosecutors would not bother to investigate and make an assessment of the evidence.

    And I notice that there is little mention of Rosenstein’s official letter to Trump recommending that Comey be fired for his inappropriate handling of the Clinton email investigation, where he overstepped his bounds as FBI director and went into DOJ territory in saying she had been “careless” in mishandling of classified data, therefore not requiring a prosecution, unlike every other type of mishandling of such data.

    One last thing:

    the president could have shut down the investigation but did not; that he could have asserted executive privilege to withhold information from the investigation, but instead made numerous witnesses and well over a million documents available to the special counsel; and that – reportedly according to Mueller – the president sincerely felt frustrated that the investigation was unfairly undermining his presidency.

    Trump won. His opponents, including bloggers and commentators all the way down here in little ole’ NZ, lost.

    Big time.

    But you all keep digging in that report. You just might find that pony.

    • I think US democracy has lost out on this. And with the ongoing division, and cacophony of crap from the highest office, it will continue to lose.

      • David

         /  20th April 2019

        I would argue the opposite, US democracy has been awful under Obama with his AG held in contempt and called himself Obamas wingman.
        Trump could have shut down the Mueller investigation at any time under the constitution he is the boss of the DOJ but he allowed it to go to completion staffed by people who viciously hated him. Sure he bitched and moaned about it but why wouldnt he, he never colluded so found the whole thing insulting and rightly so and Mueller took 2 whole years to find nothing and he had to put up with being called Putins puppet.

      • The Consultant

         /  20th April 2019

        You think US democracy has lost in finding that the US President did not collude wth the Russians and that he was not Putin’s puppet?

        You can’t recognise that those are actually good things? You think the opposite would be a good thing?

        Well that says more about your approach to this entire issue than it does about US democracy.

        I must say I’m glad that the Democrats are continuing to focus on the Mueller report. It will keep all this in the news as the time approaches for the report of the Inspector General as to the genesis of all this: the Steele dossier and how it was handled, especially by the FBI and DOJ, and especially with all those FISA court orders.

        • “in finding that the US President did not collude wth the Russians and that he was not Putin’s puppet”

          The inquiry didn’t find that. Mueller made clear that Trump was no exonerated, as he (and you) keep claiming.

          • FarmerPete

             /  20th April 2019

            In point of fact you are absolutely wrong on that. The report explicitly said there was no evidence that any person in the Trump campaign colluded with any Russian entity. (Page 2 if I remember correctly). The report noted that many approaches were made to the Trump campaign and they they rebuffed most of these.
            You are confusing part 2 with part 1. Part one exonerated Trump and his campaign on collusion whilst part 2 equivocated on the matter of obstruction.

            • Evidence of collusion isn’t the only issue.

              Reuters: Mueller finds no conspiracy, but extensive Trump-Russia contacts

              Special Counsel Robert Mueller may not have found evidence of a criminal conspiracy between Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia, but his report details extensive contacts between the campaign and Russian operatives who sought to influence the election.

              Mueller said in his report released on Thursday that he found “numerous links” and that the Trump campaign “expected it would benefit” from Russia’s effort to tilt the ballot in Trump’s favor.

              Ultimately, Mueller determined the various contacts either didn’t amount to criminal behavior or would be difficult to prove in court, even if people in Trump’s orbit sometimes displayed a willingness to accept Russian help, the report showed.

              Trump and his allies, who derided the Mueller probe as a political “witch hunt”, portrayed the report as vindication. “No collusion. No obstruction. For all the haters and the radical left Democrats, game over,” Trump tweeted on Thursday.

              “The bottom line is the president is exonerated and the campaign is exonerated of collusion,” said Michael Caputo, a former adviser to Trump’s campaign.

              Some legal experts and political strategists were more circumspect, saying the report confirmed the Russian government was attempting to help Trump with the election.

              “I think that’s a pretty extraordinary finding of historical significance, whether or not there’s a crime,” said Matthew Jacobs, a former federal prosecutor who is now a San Francisco-based lawyer.

              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-collusion/mueller-finds-no-conspiracy-but-extensive-trump-russia-contacts-idUSKCN1RU2MA

          • Pink David

             /  20th April 2019

            “The inquiry didn’t find that. Mueller made clear that Trump was no exonerated, as he (and you) keep claiming.”

            From the report:
            “The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or co-ordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

            The finding is totally consistent with what The Consultant has posted. The claim, and basis of the investigation, was that Trump colluded with the Russian Government to win the 2016 election. No evidence has been found to support that claim after 2 years of investigation.

            • “The claim, and basis of the investigation, was that Trump colluded with the Russian Government to win the 2016 election”

              No it waasn’t, it was far wider than that. Trump and his supporters have tried to portray it as Trump colluded with the Russian Government’, but that’s not right.

              the investigation’s scope included allegations that there were links or coordination between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Russian government as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.

              It included a criminal investigation which looked into potential obstruction of justice charges against Trump and others within the campaign and administration.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%932019)

            • Pink David

               /  20th April 2019

              “tried to portray it as Trump colluded with the Russian Government”

              “included allegations that there were links or coordination between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Russian government as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.”

              Please explain the difference. Is talking to the Russian Government, or people who may be in contact with the Russian Government an act that should be investigated?

  7. MaureenW

     /  20th April 2019

    Pete, you missed out misogynist and xenophobe.

    For someone who promotes playing the ball – you seem firmly entrenched on the side of those playing the man. You say Trump cherry-picks media favourable to himself – well why wouldn’t he? The media are as unhinged as you claim Trump is.

    Better watch those sea levels, there’s a lot of salty tears being shed – while they come up with their new Impeach Trump plan.

    Glad I don’t live in the US, what a basket case.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  20th April 2019

      I correspond with an American friend, but say nothing about Trump.

      I couldn’t believe it when I read the transcript of Trump saying that disturbed women (in a conversation about Lindsay Lohan, whose anatomy he discussed at length) were the best for having sex with because of issues with their fathers. We all know about the pussy grabbing…UGH !

  8. The Consultant

     /  20th April 2019

    Two views.

    The first from Mary Katherine Ham, a right-wing commentator, basically letting CNN have it right between the eyes in the midst of a panel of the very people who have been pushing collusion. She describes the post-report spin that this was not what was being claimed for two years as “gaslighting”.

    The second is from the opposite end of the spectrum. Glenn Greenwald is pretty Far Left, has bashed Republicans and centrist Democrats on issues like healthcare, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, welfare, taxes, you name it. The one issue you can ding him on is Russia, and even there it’s been less that he supports Putin than that he has little time for US criticism of Russia, which he views as little different from those made against the USSR.

    But as he writes in The Intercept:

    In sum, Democrats and their supporters had the exact prosecutor they all agreed was the embodiment of competence and integrity in Robert Mueller. He assembled a team of prosecutors and investigators that countless media accounts heralded as the most aggressive and adept in the nation. They had subpoena power, the vast surveillance apparatus of the U.S. government at their disposal, a demonstrated willingness to imprison anyone who lied to them, and unlimited time and resources to dig up everything they could.

    The result of all of that was that not a single American – whether with the Trump campaign or otherwise – was charged or indicted on the core question of whether there was any conspiracy or coordination with Russia over the election. No Americans were charged or even accused of being controlled by or working at the behest of the Russian government. None of the key White House aides at the center of the controversy who testified for hours and hours – including Donald Trump, Jr. or Jared Kushner – were charged with any crimes of any kind, not even perjury, obstruction of justice or lying to Congress.

    These facts are fatal to the conspiracy theorists

    I don’t think Glenn has much experience with the latter, because history shows that the facts are never fatal to conspiracy theorists.

  9. MaureenW

     /  20th April 2019

    The crying will never stop – Meuller Failed to do his Duty ..

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12223913

    • Pink David

       /  20th April 2019

      Funny how something written by democrat party operative shows up as ‘news’ with not a mention of who he is. He was Chief of Staff for both Al Gore and Joe Biden.

      Any wonder no one can tell any more what the difference between the media and the Democrat party is any more.

      • MaureenW

         /  20th April 2019

        Even funnier .. its the whole point on Trump reporting – and PG wonders why Trump cherrypicks media favourable to himself

      • MaureenW

         /  20th April 2019

        Even funnier .. its the whole point on Trump reporting – and PG wonders why Trump cherrypicks media favourable to himself

        • I don’t wonder why he cherry picks favourable comments and ignores the rest (and the facts).

          • Jacqueline

             /  20th April 2019

            Interesting thread. What point is Maureen is trying to make? Pick on the host? Not nice. Pick on anyone? Sometimes Kiwis do that, sadly.

            For months Maureen repeatedly trolled my comments and several times abused. Not once has it been a debating of issues from that direction. In fact, it was obviously a gleeful attack on the back of Kiwis’ wondering what I was on about.

            Just wondering – We’re a free country, right? And I share about freedom in Christ, true? I emphasise individuality, yes? And YourNZ has a generous of spirit kind of host, agreed? I simply don’t like Maureen’s stupid attacks. I call them out as unKiwi.

            Kiwi allies include Trump’s America.

            • FarmerPete

               /  20th April 2019

              Read the thread and you might understand. You know the old story about glasshouses, right? A bit rich to go right of topic and talk about someone else’s abusive comments whilst doing the same yourself.

            • MaureenW

               /  20th April 2019

              Actually I’ve never made abusive comments to Morher/Jacqueline/Agent Lemon or whatever handle it’s going by today. Nor did I “pick on” the host . Period.

            • Jacqueline

               /  20th April 2019

              I’m sorry Maureen. I did misunderstand. Please forgive me.

              You have actually abused me several times, which makes for an environment where misunderstandings flourish.

              The USA is not a basket case though. And we are their allies. Friends stick together.

              I agree that we should play the ball, not the man.

        • MaureenW

           /  20th April 2019

          Actually, again I have never abused you, nor any other poster on this blog. I do recall saying you were like a seagull pooing over every thread with your off topic comments. I still have the same view but am happy to ignore – you’re not my problem.

  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  20th April 2019

    Amongst the mountains of b.s. written and said about Trump the notion that a potential U.S. President should not discuss issues and possible policies with leaders of their greatest international competitors has always struck me as spectacularly bizarre.

  11. Dennis Horne

     /  20th April 2019

    Trump and his campaign team did coordinate/consort/cooperate/collude with the Russians — it’s right there in Mueller’s report — but doing so is not illegal. That is, there is no law prohibiting cavorting with the enemy. (As America sees Russia.)

    Trump did obstruct justice — it’s right there in the report — but Mueller declined to push the point (actually 10 or 11 points) because it is DOJ policy not to prosecute a sitting president. If one is going to argue Trump didn’t obstruct justice because he’d didn’t succeed — his staff either refused or ignored his commands — then logically nobody brought to trial can be convicted of obstructing justice because clearly they did not succeed … after all there they are facing justice.

    Add to all this William Barr was handpicked by Trump because her had earlier stated Trump should not be investigated, and so he massaged the 4-page precis of the 400-page report to the extent Trump was able to claim “Complete exoneration, No collusion, No obstruction”, when Mueller states quite clearly that had he found evidence to exonerate Trump he would have said so. Obviously Mueller has passed the matter to Congress. Perhaps partly because he realised Barr would have Trump’s back.

    The initial investigation was an intelligence matter. When Trump sacked the FBI director Comey, it was the DOJ that appointed Mueller, and lying to him is a criminal offence. That’s why people went to jail.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  20th April 2019

      It was all b.s. Dennis and you are just adding to it. There was nothing for Mueller to investigate so he investigated everyone and everything else. Copped a bunch of Russians who the intelligence agencies already knew all about and lodged a bunch of PR charges that will never get to court. Dug out an ancient forgotten law never prosecuted and crucified a couple of Trump’s staff with it. Turned tax collector and helped out the Revenue with another. Gave some other victims the first degree star chamber interrogation and trapped them into mis-statements so he could cop them for lying to him.

      Did his damnedest to get someone to incriminate Trump and failed. Now the loony Left are squealing like stuck pigs and hunting for anything to justify their disgusting behaviour when they lost an election.

      • Dennis Horne

         /  20th April 2019

        Since you are a flagrant climate denier you have already demonstrated you cannot evaluate evidence if it conflicts with your cult-views.

        Here is a direct quote from Mueller:
        “The president’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”

        From Harry Sandick, a former assistant US attorney in the southern district of New York:
        “With obstruction charges, an attempt is as good as the crime. “You don’t have to succeed in obstructing, you just have to try to obstruct, to endeavor to obstruct. And it’s pretty clear from the report that Mueller thinks that Trump did in fact try to obstruct.

        “Mueller’s pointing out that Trump got this close to succeeding. One refused request away from succeeding in his effort to obstruct justice. I don’t think it’s meant to say that as a result of what happened, Trump is now innocent.”

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  20th April 2019

          As I noted before he could only obstruct a politically motivated witch hunt, not justice, since there was no crime.

          Not surprising there were differing views on sacking Mueller since it was an entirely political fight and operation as is the judgement of it. Including yours and those you cite.

        • FarmerPete

           /  20th April 2019

          Abuse is the refuge of those who haven’t got a logical response!

    • Pink David

       /  20th April 2019

      “Trump did obstruct justice — it’s right there in the report — but Mueller declined to push the point (actually 10 or 11 points) because it is DOJ policy not to prosecute a sitting president. If one is going to argue Trump didn’t obstruct justice because he’d didn’t succeed — his staff either refused or ignored his commands — then logically nobody brought to trial can be convicted of obstructing justice because clearly they did not succeed … after all there they are facing justice.”

      The incoherence here is funny. Barr has outlined why the details of what Mueller has reported on is not obstruction. You then move on to things Trump ‘wanted to do’, but didn’t because his staff ‘refused or ignored his commands’. I have news for you, wanting to do something and not carrying it out is not a crime. Wanting to murder someone and not murdering them is not murder. It wasn’t that he didn’t succeed, he simply didn’t do it.

  12. The Consultant

     /  20th April 2019

    Not that this will change anyone’s mind, but people might be interested in listening to this interview (1 hour) with one of Trumo’s lawyers, John Dowd, who was his main lawyer during a crucial part of the Mueller probe. There were others as well, including the White House Counsel.

    The man who defended Trump.

    Dowd was also the lawyer who investigated the whole baseball gambling scheme a couple of decades ago, in which he destroyed a few careers and created some big changes. So an expert lawyer who is trusted – including by Mueller, whom he talked with on many occasions during the probe, as opposing lawyers do. Quite interesting how the Trump team handed over a lot of stuff I would have thought was privlleged, including conversations Trump was having with his lawyers.

    The interviewer, Byron York, asks damn good questions, and it’s apparent there was a vast difference between how the two sides dealt with eachother and the MSM view of this.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  20th April 2019

      Romney hates Trump for labelling him an incompetent loser. No surprise there.

      • Gezza

         /  20th April 2019

        Well, quite possibly, but it doesn’t therefore automatically follow that he doesn’t have genuine concerns about the dodgy actions, lies, & known, continual dishonesties of the current POTUS, quite separately from any natural dislike of the crap & insults heaped on him by Trump in the candidacy race. Plenty of people have similar concerns about Trump who haven’t been personally or collectively insulted by him. Yet.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  20th April 2019

          It makes him congenitally inclined to believe and say the worst especially if he thinks it will harm Trump.

          • Gezza

             /  20th April 2019

            In the way you’re congenitally inclined to believe & say the worst about Romney because you don’t like him, & you love Trump ? You mean?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  20th April 2019

              I don’t have any feelings about Romney and as I’ve said before I don’t expect I would like Trump if I knew him but I think a lot of the attacks on him are unbalanced and unjustified and I present the counter views.

            • Gezza

               /  20th April 2019

              So, considering the things that Romney says concern him about the report, what’s your counter view of Trump in relation to those?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  20th April 2019

              In so far as there is anything factual it appears to be drivel. Clinton’s campaign produced a fake Russian dossier on Trump and gave it to the FBI. Trump merely cheered when he heard the Russians had given her emails to Wikileaks while Obama’s gooks spied on Trump’s campaign. Who am I supposed to be mad about?

            • Gezza

               /  20th April 2019

              Hang on. I better have a read of what Mitt’s said. I might have just reacted to my default setting that, whatever it is, you’re probably wrong.

            • Gezza

               /  20th April 2019

              Ok, Tbh I think Mitt’s let him off rather lightly, given that

              Trump often can’t be believed, lies like flatfish, asked others to lie for him, and he can’t ever be trusted to tell the truth – it’s like his every utterance beyond “no collusion” is likely to be bs (doesn’t know what he’s talking about, hasn’t checked the facts & just makes shit up), ignorant – can’t even be bothered to read snything longer than a page, & or straight out lies – like when his Saudi arms dealing went from 140 billion to 400 billion, & the number of American jobs it would create, in the space of a fortnight, attending Trumpophant ralles went from 500,000, to 600,000, to a million. The real actual number of jobs, when checked, was reported to be 20,000, most of them in Saudi Arabia.

              That’s just one example. Sure, most people expect polticians to obfuscate, tell porkies, get caught out bending the truth a bit – Trump’s a freakin legend (or maybe leg-end) when it comes to lying. I doubt any US President has or will ever even come close to the guy for the sheer number of outright lies he tells, often for no apparent reason or benefit.

              He tells so many he destroys his oen bloody credibility. The necessary default setting for any Trump rally, speech, White House emanation, or Twitter brain fart, is that it’s a lie until fact-checked.

              As PG more or less says, he seems to think he is above the law and can act act like a dictator. He is obsessed with being seen to ‘win’ and attacks anyone he thinks might prevent him from winning. And this is all out in the open and obvious. It’s fair to presume he has done more and worse that we don’t know about.

              I actually agree with some of the guy’s policies, but taken as a whole I think he’s a bullying, dishonest, character & has been all his life in his other businesses. And he brings all that baggage with him into the White House & continues to act that way. The Reality TV Apprentice Show Star President. America, this is what you now are. You are so crap, as a society, you’ve elected an Orc to be your prez. All the best. Enjoy it while it lasts.

    • Pink David

       /  20th April 2019

      The irony being that Mitt Romney is a very decent man who the Democrats and media destroyed effectively, and lost his presidential election.

  13. Dennis Horne

     /  20th April 2019

    This is only the beginning of an ignominious end for Trump, unless he can keep the White House and Senate until he dies.

    Wait for the accusations of laundering Russian money via real estate deals and tax evasion to be investigated.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  20th April 2019

      Are you telling us Mueller didn’t investigate these or just raving?

  14. The Consultant

     /  20th April 2019

    ‘E’s not pinin’! ‘E’s passed on!
    This parrot is no more!
    He has ceased to be!
    ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘is maker!
    ‘E’s a stiff!
    Bereft of life, ‘e rests in peace!
    If you hadn’t nailed ‘im to the perch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies!
    ‘Is metabolic processes are now ‘istory!
    ‘E’s off the twig!
    ‘E’s kicked the bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!!
    THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!