Shaw contradicts Peters on timing of CGT decision

On the day it was announced that the Capital Gains Tax implementation would be dumped, Winston Peters said the decision was made “in the last few hours, but James Shaw has said “We knew about this last week and had been preparing for it,”

Stuff Apr 17, 2019 3:00 PM:

NZ First leader Winston Peters says the decision on CGT was reached in the last few hours, but the direction of travel had been clear for a long while.

NBR today on Twitter:

Who to believe?

29 Comments

  1. David

     /  April 21, 2019

    I think Ardern has known since half way through the last election campaign when she kicked it to a working group.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 21, 2019

      Do you mean that she could claim the credit if it worked and attribute blame elsewhere if it didn’t ?

      The whole thing has been a stuff-up and done her no good at all. The pouty, whiny look and bad-tempered stamping offstage were not a good look (she tends to walk like a famer anyway, but this looked like bad temper; if there’d been a tin handy, she’d have kicked it)

      So much for the great leader.

    • Given her lack of effort to get support for CGT and get over the line she seems to have given up on it some time ago at least. So much for openness and transparency.

      She is good at the PR side of leadership. That could work if she had a strong and capable (Labour) deputy, and a strong and capable Labour cabinet and caucus, but she doesn’t.

      And of course she needs Winston’s ongoing support.

      • Blazer

         /  April 21, 2019

        she has a strong and capable cabinet.

        One thing about MMP Govt is inclusion.

        The P.M is not some 1 man band’ dictating personal policy relentlessly.

        • Who is showing strength and capability in her Cabinet?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 21, 2019

            Er…um….ah…..

          • Duker

             /  April 21, 2019

            There seems to be a theme:
            Why Ardern isnt a leader ….chapter 9

          • Blazer

             /  April 21, 2019

            Grant Robertson,Phil Twyford,Chris Hipkins,…just 3 for starters.

            • PDB

               /  April 21, 2019

              “Phil Twyford,Chris Hipkins”

              If that’s the best you can come up with I’d hate to see the one’s that aren’t considered “strong and capable”.

            • Blazer

               /  April 21, 2019

              those 2 have been handed ‘hospital passes’ from the previous impotent administration.

              Good to see you agree with Robertson.

            • PDB

               /  April 21, 2019

              Grant Robertson is simply doing all he can to not rock the sound economic boat handed to him by National, none of the others can even do that.

        • David

           /  April 21, 2019

          Gee Blazer even you must have winced a bit posting that one.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 21, 2019

            Yes, Phil Twyford isn’t quite in that category.

  2. Sadly the Greens will claim victory as long as National aren’t in power. It’s the folly of tribal politics writ large.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  April 21, 2019

    When she gets the Nobel Peace Prize the sun will shine out of her rear end(Saint Jacinda they will say) and NZ would have forgotten about the CGT long ago,CGT what was that, something like GST they will say

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 21, 2019

      She is not eligible for it. Read the criteria. The winners need to have stopped a war and that sort of thing, she hasn’t.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 21, 2019

        She hasn’t disbanded a standing army, brought peace to warring nations and the other criteria. Hundreds of people are nominated.

      • lurcher1948

         /  April 21, 2019

        Well you could call the whinny nasty rightwingers who threaten her baby, partner and her a ragtag army of whinny losers, whom she defeated, so due to the ragtag whinny losing righties shes a shoe in for the Nobel peace prize

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 21, 2019

          She’s not a shoo-in, she doesn’t fit the criteria. She hasn’t closed down standing armies or brought peace to warring countries. Look up the criteria and see what they are. NZ has done none of those things.

          How many people do threaten her and her family ?

          • Duker

             /  April 21, 2019

            And you wonder why people call you out for your who-knows-where nonsense catkin. Thats not debate.
            Have you looked up Nobel peace prize winners recently, most havent ‘bought peace to warring countries.
            Check it out and learn something!
            eg 2014
            ‘”for their struggle against the suppression of children and young people and for the right of all children to education”
            2018
            “for their efforts to end the use of sexual violence as a weapon of war and armed conflict
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 21, 2019

              Silly me, I was going by what the Nobel prize committee themselves say are the criteria; what do they know ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 21, 2019

              ‘…done the most or the best work for the fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies, holding or promoting peace congresses….’

              (Nobel’s own instructions)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 21, 2019

              You appear to have overlooked this at the top of the page.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 21, 2019

              What a cimicine philodox you are.

            • Duker

               /  April 21, 2019

              Educating children?
              Things have changed since Nobels will
              Remind us again of Obama’s war he ended.

    • David

       /  April 21, 2019

      The problem she will have Lurcher is she will win it for doing what unfortunately many politicians have had to have done for victims of terrorism, she is just a bit more telegenic.
      The problem for Ardern is if she wins the prize and continues to deliver at the rate she has so far she is going to disappoint. Expectations will be raised to high.

    • David

       /  April 21, 2019

      And you are right about the CGT, no one will remember it next month let alone next year but they will remember her empathy for the Mosque victims.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 21, 2019

        Hundreds of people are nominated. People who have done things to promote peace, which she has not. Yes, she showed sympathy to the Mosque victims, but that isn’t the sort of thing that Nobel had in mind. Look at what the winners have done.

        People will remember the hash made of the CGT thing and the hash made of the Youth Camp where underage drinkers were let loose on unlimited alcohol with predictable results.

        She wept over Grace Millane’s murder but not over murders of Kiwis and ones like the young woman who was killed with her child in her arms by her ex-husband.

  4. alloytoo

     /  April 22, 2019

    open and transparent……..

    Frankly I think Ardern canned the CGT debate because apart from the buzzwords “CGT” and “Fairness” she doesn’t have the faintest knowledge of CGT. The thought of debating it with anyone terrifies her.