Open Forum – Friday

26 April 2019

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  1. David

     /  26th April 2019

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/112227793/scots-college-headmaster-accused-of-making-sexist-remarks-about-female-students

    This made for a good Friday morning chortle. One thing the headmaster needs to adjust to with welcoming cis females to his school is you cant just throw stereotyping statements around anymore. Cis teenage boys dont give a flying stuff what you call them or what you assume about them, they just dont care generally so no one cares much but the headmaster is now on the intersectionality train and there is no stopping it.

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  2. Gerrit

     /  26th April 2019

    Am glad my 3 score years plus plenty more means I wont have to try and live in a world so PC that a teenage girls take offense at a nuanced statement by a school principal.

    ” Current Wellington High School Year 10 students Jean Cleaver-Paris, Bree Gerritsen and Mara Williscroft said they attended the school’s open day in late-March out of “pure curiosity”. At least 50 people – including girls of mostly high-school age – and their parents were there.

    Yule’s formal speech in the school’s hall left the trio feeling “shocked and disappointed” at the choice of “outdated stereotypes” directed at teenage girls.

    While speaking to the girls, Yule remarked they would not be allowed to sit at the back of a classroom and paint their nails but instead be expected to participate in work and sports, they said.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/112227793/scots-college-headmaster-accused-of-making-sexist-remarks-about-female-students

    Taking being “offended” to a new level. Glad I don’t have to suffer these fools from the next generation.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  26th April 2019

      The article doesn’t show their nails?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th April 2019

        It was a witless thing to say, one must admit. I would not be amused by it.

        I suppose that much would depend on how it was said, but it comes across as a putdown of girls at the school.

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        • David

           /  26th April 2019

          It was witless but if he had said something disparaging of boys who were joining a girls school no one would have cared a jot.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  27th April 2019

            I would and would have said so; people do. I admit that they don’t do it as much, but they do.

            It would depend on how it was said, of course, as something can be funny in context and with the tone in which it’s said, but not in print.

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  3. David

     /  26th April 2019

    Hootton nails it in this mornings Herald and thats not just because he agrees with me, Ardern never had the intellect to have a CGT debate which is fine its just not her strength.

    “By and large, National MPs remain in denial about how hopeless their position is, especially following Ardern’s CGT move.

    They misunderstand that, in a country that is generally content, Ardern’s very flakiness on any substantial policy matter is one of the Coalition’s strengths.

    That her every utterance is devoid of content and that her Government has no meaningful policy programme is exactly the way the median voter likes it.”

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    • Duker

       /  26th April 2019

      I remember well the 2010 Tax Working Group ‘after party debate ‘on one of it’s main recommendations, a Land Tax.

      NO

      But national did introduce some other recommendations after the next election that followed a vigourous pre election debate instead when they lied about raising GST.

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  4. Corky

     /  26th April 2019

    I listened to a travel agent give an account of seeing a doctor in America for severe flu symptoms. The consultation cost $250 dollars. All up, with a prescription, it totalled $900.

    No wonder Americans line up for days to receive free medical care.

    Before anyone blames this situation on Trumpy, they need to realise this has been a reality for years. The simply truth is, if healthcare isn’t subsidised, you will be paying big time, no matter what medical scheme the government provides. Hence the importance of medical insurance.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/nov/23/enormous-pop-up-clinic-trying-bridge-americas-health-divide

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    • Duker

       /  26th April 2019

      No it’s the problem with an insurance based system. A single payer, being the government always means less GDP is spent that way

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th April 2019

        A travel agent, of all people, should have insurance. They would know the consequences of not having it.It’s hardly credible that they wouldn’t have it, the story is hard to believe.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  26th April 2019

          They seem to have been ripped off, even allowing for the high US prices.

          No drug can cure the flu, if that’s what they had, so it’s hard to see what the $650 prescription was for.

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  5. Corky

     /  26th April 2019

    Young Trumpy takes Washington Post to task for downplaying Christian deaths.

    I must say I’ve noticed a paucity around the word ”Christian” from the vocabulary of many important commentators. There are a few reasons for that. One reason I think many overlook is Christianity faces a far worse opponent in the West than Islam. Western liberalism works day and night to smash Christianity because they know once that bedrock has gone anything is possible. Liberalism has succeeded in the endeavour. But they still fear a resurgence of faith, hence their reluctance to mention that word.

    https://caldronpool.com/trump-jr-slams-the-washington-post-for-downplaying-christian-persecution-and-suggesting-muslims-have-it-worse-just-one-day-after-290-christians-were-slaughter-by-islamic-terrorists/

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      • Corky

         /  26th April 2019

        Sorry, I was writing the above comments when you posted your above link.

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        • Duker

           /  26th April 2019

          Yet Trump was one of those talking/tweeting about ‘attacks on Churches and Hotels’ , not mentioning Christian’s at all.

          Why are you so selective? That’s right you get your prepackaged ideas from wing nut websites that ignore the details of what Trump says when it suits them.

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          • Corky

             /  26th April 2019

            ”I must say I’ve noticed a paucity around the word ”Christian” from the vocabulary of many important commentators.”

            I’m sorry, Duker, you are a throw away identity with a throw away intellect. I’m adding you to my blacklist of people (🤔) I don’t waste my time with.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              I hope you’re still happy enuf to waste a bit of your time on me occasionally, Corks. Not everything you say is bollocks. I’m always willing to concede that.

            • Corky

               /  26th April 2019

              If you keep your nose clean you will be alright.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Good to hear. I might still point out the bollocks from time to time, but I’ll only do it if after checking first that the schnoz is pristine. 👍🏼

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  26th April 2019

              A paucity of what around the word ‘Christian’ ?

    • Duker

       /  26th April 2019

      Yet Trump was one of those talking/tweeting about ‘attacks on Churches and Hotels’ , not mentioning Christian’s at all.

      Why are you so selective? That’s right you get your prepackaged ideas from wing nut websites that ignore the details of what Trump says when it suits them.

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  6. Jacqueline

     /  26th April 2019

    Kimbo, are you here today? Please answer some questions?
    (I’m not arrogant nor presumptuous as you supposed. I’m just seeking answers, perhaps on behalf of others. I think these issues are very important for NZers. And please be patient if my questions are not worded properly. I’m actually just a ‘wounded soldier’. That comment leaves me wide open to ridicule and unfair judgement I know. Oh well, too bad.)

    From memory you said that you believe in the authority of good Presbyterian church leadership. Is resignation from ministry a valid option socially and spiritually considering that a minister is called by God? ‘Once an elder always an elder.’?

    If a Presbyterian minister resigned, how public should that knowledge be spread? Would it be fair to publicise the resignation, and the reasons for it, widely and openly?

    As a theologian, how far do you take your spiritual responsibilities personally? For example, do you have an awareness that your words on YourNZ could be used by God to encourage others whether or not they are believers? Might it be best for the Gospel if you posted under your name?

    As my fellow Christian, do you have any qualms re our wee spat this week? Do you have an awareness, as I do, that those kind of exchanges are bad form between Christians publicly?

    (From Dec I posted under a pseudonym then last week used my full name. I now use my first name. I only have one handle and making the changes just kind of happened (it was something you wrote, I don’t remember what). There were valid reasons for using a pseudonym. I thought it would be obvious to usual readers that the changes were genuine. I boldly questioned you (perhaps barking up the wrong tree) and you reacted angrily. Why? From a minister, that is concerning.)

    I recently stated that the PCANZ is a cruel church. More importantly I said that this is one of NZ’s best kept secrets. Are you trying to protect them (as a Presbyterian)? I’m fairly certain that I am the first to persevere long term with truthful exposure and it’s a lonely job. Please Kimbo, there’s no need for anger and throwing out what you might think are my sinful attributes. If you would be willing to state outright here what involvement you have/had with Presbyterians (whatever group it is) that would be a kind Christian thing to do for me, and perhaps for others.

    Hope within community is easier for all to practise when Christians are behaving nicely.

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    • Kimbo

       /  26th April 2019

      OK, Jacqueline, I’ll work this once on the possibility my refusal to engage with you again was too harsh, and this one time I will clarify. I rebuked you because you were presumptuous about me and I cited three examples:

      https://yournz.org/2019/04/24/sri-lanka-bombings-christchurch-retaliation-suggested-isis-claim-responsibility/

      So I counsel you to kindly pay more attention to what people say and/or write and don’t say and/or write, and then you will be in a position to dispel confusion where none need exist. To that end I bring to your accurate remembrance what I did write to which you refer and have incorrectly recalled and/or understood:

      I can but observe that for we faithful Presbyterians and/or Calvinists the office of bishop is the device of anti-Christ…But back to Tamaki. To be fair about my knee jerk Presbyterian distaste for his self-appointed title

      https://yournz.org/2019/03/22/media-watch-friday-148/

      1. I was talking not of the PCANZ in the first instance, but the system of Presbyterian church government. That is shown by the fact that, in context, I was criticising the office/church government system of bishops/Episcopalianism.

      2. There are other denominations in NZ that are not the PCANZ, but nonetheless have…the Presbyterian form of church government.

      3. Also, one can also belong to a church that does not have Presbyterian church government, but still prefer it as a theoretical personal choice. Just as any church is seldom ever a perfect fit for all ones preferred beliefs and practices, so trade-offs and compromises are made.

      4. In the same way, one can be a Calvinist, and belong to any number of denominations. For example Congregationalists are traditionally Calvinists, and there are Calvinist Anglicans, Baptists, even Methodists in the Whitfield, not Wesleyan tradition…

      5. As before, I am not a member of the PCANZ.

      On that last matter, and as per your request I exercise tolerance, I’ll overlook the inference you have made, perhaps unwittingly, that I was not honest about that matter. Nonetheless, despite the clear evidence you are indeed a “wounded soldier” by what you perceive as injustice in the church (been there, done that, got the scars and the t shirt) I repeat my advice as before

      …it is not my business to know the details, neither do I want to know them, especially in this public context. I hope the best for you and that you make the decisions and access the resources that are best for you. Nonetheless, I would prefer not to engage with you on any other topics here in future. So I will likely look to pass you by…

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      • Jacqueline

         /  26th April 2019

        Kimbo, it looks like you’re busy supposing things and/or misunderstanding.
        You ignored most of my questions. I’m left with the impression you are more interested in participating in an echo chamber of confusion re the Body of Christ than you are in the Gospel.

        I did not request that you practise tolerance and even if I had, you have not displayed it. You practise harshness. I asked you some questions and asked for patience if they weren’t worded correctly. Even so, a kind theologian/Biblical scholar would have answers to those from an objective stance.

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        • Kimbo

           /  26th April 2019

          Yes, Jacqueline. I ignored most of your questions except the one about my membership of the PCANZ/am I “protecting” it. And I will continue to ignore your questions, and likely any others you ask in future.

          Kindly do not waste your or my time trying to engage with me in future. If you do not respect that request I will ignore you anyway, as is my prerogative.

          Good day, Jacqueline.

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          • Jacqueline

             /  26th April 2019

            What a pity you prefer your voice to Jesus’ voice.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              If you hsve a recording of Jesus’s voice do you know how to post a sound file?

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Ok, I’ll take that as a no to both.

          • Jacqueline

             /  26th April 2019

            What a pity you prefer your voice above Jesus’ voice. god bothering.

            You are full of yourself Kimbo…. telling me to ‘kindly’ not waste my own time….yaketty yak.

            Back to the bromance. How many times have you said you’ll ignore another, but don’t?

            Jesus is the Victor. In the Body of Christ, believers love one another by the power of the cross.

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  7. David

     /  26th April 2019

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/jobseeker_benefit_numbers_up_11_in_a_year.html

    Who would have thought less emphasis on work testing would have this result. These are real people now wasting away their lives unproductively, who on earth thinks its a good idea to give people money with no strings attached…its actually cruel from the caring left.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  26th April 2019

      Yes, as I said the other day, the culture of sitting around doing nothing is the problem to be addressed, not colonialism.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  26th April 2019

    Who would have thought getting tough on landlords would have aggravated the housing shortage? Certainly not a Government of half-witted Lefties:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224856

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    • Gezza

       /  26th April 2019

      You might have to wait for some comment for this one, Al. Just from a quick look at the Recent Posts list as at time of posting, it looks like god-bothering is where it’s at, at the moment. 13 out of 15 of the total comments are on that topic. 😐

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      • Gezza

         /  26th April 2019

        🤔 S’pose I’d better add a 😉, just to avoid any misunderstandings.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th April 2019

        Yep. Leaving them to it. God hasn’t bothered me for ages so I haven’t bothered Him.

        Mad Aussies seem to be a more pressing concern:
        “My brother became deeply, deeply religious while he was in Australia,” she said.

        “He was normal when he went to study in Britain, and normal when he came back.

        “But after he did his postgraduate in Australia, he came back to Sri Lanka a different man.

        “He had a long beard and had lost his sense of humour. He became serious and withdrawn and would not even smile at anyone he didn’t know, let alone laugh.”
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12225342

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        • His grandfather had left him an extensive property portfolio when he died, including the family home in Kandy. As a result, the trained aeronautical engineer did not need to work.
          “Before he died he was selling the family home,” Hidaya said.
          “He obviously needed a sum of money.
          “But he never wanted for anything in his life. From time to time he sold or bought a property. He never had to worry about money like ordinary people do.”

          ….
          One of the post-grad, rich, middle class Sri Lankan Islamist fanatic bombers. I wondered what some of these reported overseas studies would be (only jokingly suggesting Muslim theology, perhaps, yesterday – but Pinky fell for it).

          If he got radicalised in Australia and/or Britain, & the family (including those in NZ) knew he was showing those sorts of signs, that’s kinda scary. Because while you’d think that was a danger signal, just being a devout member of ANY of the 3 big Jewish sects, the original, or the Jesus or the Muhammad ones doesn’t automatically make them dangerous.

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          • Kimbo

             /  26th April 2019

            One of my in-laws was radicalised while studying as an overseas student. Ended up defecting to ISIS and has been reported killed.

            Being alone and a stranger in a foreign country makes you vulnerable, especially to the sects who skilfully select their target demographic, and have perfected their love-bombing methods.

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          • Kimbo

             /  26th April 2019

            …and no, he wasn’t as Islamic Studies student.

            Is a real issue of pastoral concern for which tertiary institutions and families must look out.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            Being alone, or very young, or not very bright, or afraid of death, or longing to see desdvloved ones again, or desperate for meaning or understanding of things nobody knows or why shit happens, or just plain, ordinary desperate & unable to figure our how to accept the situation, put it in perspective, & just calm down & work your way through it, makes you vulnerable to any sects who skilfully select their target demographic, and have perfected their love-bombing methods.

            This is a tactic perfected especially over hundreds of years by the Christian Jewish sects.

            It’s a actually a very refined form of psychological manipulation that is so deep-seated, pervasive, & long lasting, it locks people minds in so well that many of them go on to preach & recruit others, with absolutely the best of intentions, genuinely believing that it is a good thing and better than letting people work out that praying to Jesus is just a positive thinking mental program, & that the results of praying to a 2000-year-long-dead Jesus working are random, subject to huge confirmation bias, & exactly the same as they are for non-believers who simply adopt a method of positive thinking that works well for them.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              *desdvloved = dead loved (ones)

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              Being…not very bright…

              Yeah, although sometimes the targets are very bright and they nonetheless fall for it. Indeed sometimes their intelligence is the gateway. So maybe just not credulous, or experienced and wise in the ways of the world. Which I’m sure you meant.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Soz. Reply went below by mistake.

          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            Yes, it’s just one of the categories, which is why there’re an “or” – and you’ve seen & encountered that type. It can include the well-educated “There can be no morality without God. Morality exists. Therefore God exists” types, but generally in my experience the other intelligent types tend to fall into one of more of the other categories.

            There are possibly a few other categories of need they can’t sort out on their own. And some are sometimes then amped up further by the belief their religion makes them somehow morally superior to others. My view, anyway.

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    • Blazer

       /  26th April 2019

      load of…bollocks.

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    • Duker

       /  26th April 2019

      What does getting tough on landlords even mean.
      If there was a shortage of homes for sale prices wouldn’t dropping.
      Selling a rental property doesn’t make a family homeless…..where the new owner come from … Neverland? If they are renting too, that home is now available.

      I wouldn’t have thought you would have been going along with all that magic thinking Wills…

      There is something like 40k people who die every year…hardly any would be living on Street and didn’t have a home of some sort. Some people move overseas….others have two households and get married/ relationship and become one.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th April 2019

        If the rental house is now owner-occupied, then there’s one less rental house available.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th April 2019

        As I’ve explained many times when the rental gets sold the new owner didn’t have to build a new house and nobody is building rentals. Population growth kills the poor with the careless assistance of Lefty Governments and their caring well-paid bureaucrats.

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  9. duperez

     /  26th April 2019

    There are issues and there are Real Issues!

    In an online forum under the heading, “Jacinda’s wearing another head scarf!!!!” comes “cant believe this woman!!! Wearing her head covered in Auckland Hospital, with Prince William, unbelievable stuff, whats behind this nonsense? I am so over this pandering to muslims, especially given Sri Lanka.”

    Contributors show a real issue facing Jacinda Ardern.

    “I think she’s lost track of her identity.”
    “So does this mean we now have a muslim pm? This woman is out of control!”
    “Jacinda the mohammadian is paying tribute to the Prophet Mohammad.”
    “What the hell was she doing giving Prince William a hongi she is not Maori perhaps we should all do it.”
    “Face it, Jacinda wants to be a Muslim. That’s fine, but she could have mentioned it prior to the election. Just Saying.”

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  10. Kimbo

     /  26th April 2019

    Hey, I’m not the one around here who drops the word “Jaweh”, or the phrase “Abrahamic religions” “blood-soaked” and “ignorant and unscientific” into discussion at the drop of a hat like there is a dollar paid every time they are used. 😂

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    • Gezza

       /  26th April 2019

      I just did a search of the page, & the only poster who’s used the words Abrahamic religions” “blood-soaked” and “ignorant and unscientific” in the discussion on this page today is you. 😂

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      • Gezza

         /  26th April 2019

        as at 4.26 pm, that is.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th April 2019

        And you’re not getting $3.00 from me, if you now drop your hat, so don’t ask.

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      • Kimbo

         /  26th April 2019

        Sorry, down ticked you in error when I intended the opposite. Yes, today on this page. And with such pedantic precision and ability to distract from the essential point you have the makings of a natural theologian. 😂😂😂

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          All you probably have to do is keep ticking an uptick where you ticked down in error & it’ll eventually change to an uptick, I think. That’s how I always correct one incorrectly made in error. Give it go. See how you get on. I’ll experiment on your comment to see if it still works for me.

          I’ve been studying believing theologians closely on YouTube.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            Yep. Just downticked your last comment, waited a sec, them upticked it – corrected to an uptick first time. Looking forward to your upticks. I’m not scoring many, but not many down either – maybe because it’s all a bit too heavy or boring for yaw average bloke & blokess?

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            I’m still seeing a downtick on the first comment where I scored the bullseye?

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            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              Done.

              So do I now get my $3? As per the televangelist pitch, I have a ministry with obligatory personal Lear Jet to finance. 🤑🤑🤑🤑

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              No! For heaven’s sake man.

              One minute you’ll be getting your own personal lear jet & the next thing you know you’ll be comitting adultery & having to go on tv to confess your terrible lapse & seek religious counselling to help you find your way back to salvation.

              I like you. I can’t possibly contribute to your future misery.

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              “…next thing you know you’ll be comitting adultery & having to go on tv to confess your terrible lapse & seek religious counselling to help you find your way back to salvation”.

              In a heart beat! 🤣

  11. Corky

     /  26th April 2019

    White South African dude sees the writing on the wall if the police minister has his way and removes the right of private citizens to own guns. Of course the Police Minister is a wise man. He worries ”Whitey” may make a last stand to stop farm theft by the government.Those who have been to the pub in certain parts South Africa can relate the surreal experience of having a cloakroom full of firearms checked in before the patrons get on the ‘piss.’

    Of course before the police minister worries about dearming citizens, he should look at the gun loss record from his own police force. I bet many of those guns weren’t lost.

    https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-10-13-2270-police-guns-lost-and-stolen-over-past-three-years/

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    • Duker

       /  26th April 2019

      How about Palestinians having weapons….Israel has been merrily stealing their land for decades……they even don’t let those landowners “return” because ..the Balfour declaration, one of the promises to 3 different groups made by British government about the area around 1917
      1) hashemites family ,Rulers of the Kingdom of Hejaz (Mecca) at the time , who were assisting the British against the Ottomans
      2) French government who were allies of British in ww1
      3) the Zionist Federation who were doing anything in the war effort, indeed were seem as being anti allied side because of the reputation of the czarist government against jews

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th April 2019

        I wonder how many people do actually use the word ‘whitey’ .

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  12. duperez

     /  26th April 2019

    I get to Christchurch a bit. For all its qualities it’s just another place.

    Next time I’m there though I’ll be able to rejoice that it’s been proclaimed a Christian city by Members of the Destiny Church.

    “The purpose was to stand out in the open and to declare that Christchurch and New Zealand belongs to Jesus Christ who is the one true god.”

    I don’t know who Christchurch and New Zealand belongs to but I know there are lot of silly pricks here.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112268320/destiny-church-members-reclaim-christchurch-for-jesus

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  26th April 2019

      There are a lot of straw men around, too, if the words of the Destiny person are quoted correctly.

      The mosque members were much more dignified and tolerant, but I bet that a bit of eye-rolling went on. I bet that Destiny wouldn’t have invited Muslims in.

      Silly pricks doesn’t begin to describe them :-/ (Destiny)

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      • Gezza

         /  26th April 2019

        🤔

        Seems like a reasonably good sort of beginning to me. 😐

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      • Kimbo

         /  26th April 2019

        I’m in no way defending the idiotic tasteless expression by Destiny, nor their assertion we are a Christian country, nor their claims that the likes of Israel Folau are denied free speech and he is a victim of religious persecution

        …but for all of Destiny’s and Brian Tamaki’s many faults, malice towards people as people is not one of them. Nor lack of hospitality. They exercise a readiness to engage with others as people first. Including those in the LGBT community. But obviously they don’t compromise in expressing their views about the lifestyles and beliefs of others with which they don’t agree.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          Which is defending them, while saying you’re not, it seems to me.

          Do you believe in the same God, & what is in same Holy Book, as them, by any chance?

          Do you believe like they do that their Christian god is the one true god?

          Or are they a rogue sect?

          Or are they right, but just saying it the wrong way, or at the wrong time?

          In your opinion?

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            (Must say, on the plus side, ya sometimes get more religion here, these days, than ya do on tv1 on Sundays. 😐 )

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          • Kimbo

             /  26th April 2019

            I’ll refrain from answering your “have you stopped beating your wife?” questions by observing

            1. Despite repeated attempts to elicit a yes or no answer from you recently, you never did acknowledge or define where the legal, let alone reasonable in practice line of alleged “religious intimidation” lies. So you’ve forfeited the respect and reciprocal courtesy of direct answers which I would ordinarily be happy to give.

            2. There are plenty of non-religious organisations with whom I disagree to a large extent, but when, like Destiny, I’m prepared to acknowledge those virtues they have which seem genuine.

            3. Also, I previously explained to you the idiocy of demanding to know if I believed “the same thing” as another Christian. Likely just like you and anyone else, I’ve never agreed 100% with anyone about anything, including and especially religion. And the same should likely be especially so with a group like Destiny.

            If you want to bleat about personal character attacks, go for it. In the light of your statement/implication I’m being deceitful about not defending Destiny, your actions deserved a good rhetorical bitch slap back. I haven’t quite worked you out, Gezza. Maybe you are a bit of a troll with a one-trick obsession (fair enough, a guy’s gotta have a hobby so I won’t begrudge you that), or you do genuinely have a steel fist and a glass jaw.

            Reply
            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              I didn’t ask if you are still beating your wife.Your domestic circumstances are none of my concern.

              1. It’s a different series of questions from the other day that has nothing to do with whatever set you off over that. Diversion.

              2. I’m asking if you believe the Christian God is the one true God, because that’s an important statement of faith & carries with it the belief all other gods are false. Avoidance.

              3. I’m not being deceitful about your defending Destiny, you make it seem to me in your comments that you can see where they think they are right.

              4. The rest of the personal attack/troll/one-trick obsession/ stuff is what often happens when Christians get asked awkward questions & I’m sorry you’ve lost your cool & resorted to that, but I guess that comes with the territory of being an atheist & wanting to discuss how come there are so many sectarian theological disputes & try to understand how in heaven’s name you can both be right, or wrong?

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              Yes. I was very specific about for what I was and was not defending Destiny…in response to Kitty Catkin’s comment “I bet that Destiny would not have invited Muslims in”.

              So I reject your explanation. Take that as me taking my bat and ball and walking away cos I can’t stand the heat of atheist scrutiny. Strange thing – my old mate Griff and I used to have plenty of good discussions in the past about atheism and theism. And yeah, I learned a lot, and yeah, he sometimes got the better of an exchange and yet we still kept our eyes on the ball. So I can at least acknowledge I found him an honourable man, albeit an acerbic one. I mean, I’m talking about…Griff FFS. So do you think, maybe, just maybe the problem is with you? 😳

              You even lack the intellectual honesty or mental chops to provide a relevant rebuttal when you are called out for asking “have you stopped beating your wife?” The question is a metaphor example, not a literal reference. So, yes, as per that example, there is one of around here being deceitful and moving goal posts about what the words and phrases we use mean.

              Irrespective of whether you are an atheist, agnostic, Christian, Buddhist or Pastafarian, it’s a waste of time to engage with someone who is both deceitful and also projects that onto others.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Irrespective of whether you are an atheist, agnostic, Christian, Buddhist or Pastafarian, it’s a waste of time to engage with someone who is both deceitful and also projects that onto others.

              Amen to that, brother. I know exactly how you feel.

  13. Blazer

     /  27th April 2019

    absolutely love this phrase…’or you do genuinely have a steel fist and a glass jaw.’!! ,)

    Reply
    • Kitty Catkin

       /  27th April 2019

      …and cloth ears….and a bone head….and two left feet….and a heart of ice….and glassy eyes…..

      Reply

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