Whale Oil inciting anti-Christian/anti-Muslim anger

Whale Oil posts continue to try to drive up anger and intolerance towards Muslims in New Zealand, while trying to claim that Christians are the victims of an unfair lack of sympathy.

After the Christchurch mosque attacks here was an effort made by some, including here on Your NZ, to attack politicians (mainly Jacinda Ardern) and media for what was claimed to be a disparity between reacting to and reporting of one of the only and by far the worst terrorist attacks in new Zealand, compared to one f many attacks in Nigeria in a long running internal war.

From a New Zealand there was little comparison between the two, but that didn’t stop attempts to equate them and to dump on anyone who hadn’t reported them in a similar manner.

Soon after the bombings in Sri Lanka this meme was launched as if it was prepared for. One of the first to attack was nasty UK alt-right activist Katie Hopkins, who slammed Jacinda Ardern for responding differently to an attack in a foreign country to one in the country she is Prime Minister of.

This was supported repeated in social media here. It’s as if they are trying to be some sort of speech police, condemning anyone who doesn’t word their condemnations to their satisfaction. But it also looks like an attempt to paint ‘Christians’ as the victims, and to drive up anger against Islam and by association Muslims.

David Farrar ridiculed the Hopkins effect at Kiwiblog: Defending Jacinda from Katie Hopkins

Jacinda Ardern is not the Prime Minister of Sri Lanka. She is the Prime Minister of New Zealand. Why on earth would she do anything in response to an attack in another country, except the normal expressions of sympathy?

I still don’t get how people get so worked up over a display of empathy to the Muslim community in New Zealand. It was genuine and a great idea.

The sensible comparison is would she have done the same if another religious minority was slaughtered in New Zealand, and I am sure the answer would be yes. If 50 Jews had been killed while praying at a synagogue in New Zealand, then Ardern would probably have worn a kippah or yarmulke as a sign of respect and empathy.

There’s so much legitimate stuff to criticise Ardern on, that it drives me crazy that people get worked up on this.

Of course being attacked by Katie Hopkins is akin to being savaged by Chloe of Wainuiomata.

That’s an unfair comparison, more Kiwis will have heard of Chloe.

But as has become the norm at Kiwiblog, comments ran in the other direction, likke this well upticked comment from Simonp:

I think the point is that no Muslim leader would show empathy for any Christian attack in the same way and that Jacinda did. Equally, Jacinda wishes the Muslim community happy Ramadan but fails to wish the New Zealand happy Easter. It comes across as fear and pandering and could embolden extremists. Hopkins was challenging Jacinda to make an equally bold statement in support of Christianity.

Not really. Hopkins was attacking Ardern for showing sympathy and empathy for Muslims in New Zealand, but not naming Christians as victims in Sri Lanka in her first brief official response.  Ardern referred to “bombings there on Easter Sunday”, a fairly obvious Christian reference. She also referred to “an attack in Sri Lanka while people were in churches and at hotels”, which seems sensible given the hotel attacks were not obviously targeting one religion over any others.

Nukuleka:

Virtue signalling is virtue signalling and is no sign of genuine grief. It is merely a form of superfluous and superficial egotism. There may indeed be genuine sympathy felt beneath the outward ‘look- at -me’ show, and sincere grief felt – that is for no-one to judge- but there is never a need to wave a flag, or don a hijab in this instance, to let the world know just how sincere and deep your feelings are. Such people deserve mockery.

‘Virue signalling’ is one of those pejoratives that I have difficulty knowing what people actually mean – or if they know what it means. Is Hopkins virtue signalling? She certainly promotes the virtues of Christians and slams the virtues of Muslims, as do a number of commenters at Kiwiblog (some argued against).

While Kiwiblog simmers and seethes beneath the surface in comments threads, Whale Oil also drives a religious divide in posts.

Whale Oil has championed Hopkins for years. They (they now being under the management, guidance  and apparent control of Juana Atkins)  jumped on the Hopkins bashwagon following the Sri Lanka attacks.

‘Whaleoil staff’ posted the first Hopkins tweet as Tweet of the Day on Monday, which haad some predictable responses, including this from ‘Sunshine’:

Christians all over the world are hunted at the moment not because they are Christians, but because they represent western civilisation. Ardern and her ilk want to ‘fundamentally transform’ the west, as Barry Soetoro once said.

That is laden with conspiracy theorising (actually they are not theories, they are dirty memes) – in particular, that it is a clash of civilisations with Christians as the victims.

The following day Atkins posted Things that make me go hmm under ‘SB’ (one of her pseudonyms), where she nitpicked Theresa May tweets on the Christchurch and Sri Lanka attacks, followed by another ridiculous Hopkins quote:

Why does Islam always matter more to Christian leaders?

That doesn’t even make sense to me. It prompted typical (for a tightly controlled forum like Whale Oil) responses, like this from Boondecker:

“Violence against churches and hotels… ” – what an odd thing to say/tweet in the circumstances. There appears to be a very strange but obvious disconnect when you become a political leader. No wonder they’re rated even below car and insurance salesmen in terms of trustworthiness (the mainstream media are the only crowd that’s worse).

“Violence against churches and hotels” is fairly accurate for a brief generalised tweet. ‘Churches’ is synonymous with ‘Christian’:

church
noun
1. a building used for public Christian worship

And several hotels were also bombed.

Yesterday the anger meme was promoted in Growing anger over anti-Christian terror denialism

Anger is growing around the world at the blatant disparity and hypocrisy of the media and political elite in their reactions to terrorism, depending on who the victims are.

Of course no proof is provided that anger is growing anywhere. What this looks like is an attempt to grow anger in New Zealand.

Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism. It shouldn’t matter who the innocent victims are: Muslims in a market in Quetta or in a mosque in Christchurch, or Christians on the streets of Rome or in churches in Sri Lanka. But, as we are seeing after the Easter carnage in Sri Lanka, it matters very much to the media-political elite who the victims are.

Christians are way down on the Victim Totem Pole.

Not at Whale Oil, where they are playing the ‘Christians are victims in a clash of civilisations’ card hard.

As per the standard narrative, no matter who is shredded by terrorists’ bombs, the real victims, as far as the media-political elite are concerned, are always Muslims.

That’s just pathetic nonsense.

But it’s dangerous nonsense. Whale Oil, with Atkins leading the charge now, is trying to drive up anger and division between Muslims and Christians.

Whale Oil has also actively promoted gun rights including the ‘right’ to own military style weapons. The blog attracts people who like firearms, and it attracts people who see Christians as victims, who see ‘Western civilisation’ under threat, and see Islam and Muslims as the threat.

As the 50 Christchurch murders showed, it only takes one person to believe this sort of persistent inflammatory claptrap to escalate things into extreme violence.

Probably all of the posts and most of the comments at Whale Oil would fall short of any hate speech laws – certainly the laws we currently have. But the sum of all the parts, the ongoing inciting posts (often multiple in a day) and the comments in support, looks like a campaign of hate and intolerance and division. It is difficult to legislate against that.

But this sort of campaign of fear mongering and hate should be called out for what it is, and should those who are responsible for it.

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  1. Grumpy

     /  26th April 2019

    New Zealand is largely a naive remote cultural backwater in this world. Accordingly we are a haven for wide eyed leftist media and politicians. Whale oil and Kiwiblog are two of the few sources for real world happening. Sure, it exposes the gullibility of the MSM and political commentators in this country but that is surely a good thing.

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    • “Whale oil and Kiwiblog are two of the few sources for real world happening”

      Is that a deliberate joke?

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      • Grumpy

         /  26th April 2019

        Are you trying to say Stuff and NZ Herald are better? Now that would be a joke! WO and KB are just providing the balance so sorely missing in our media

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        • There is no comparison between what Stuff and the Herald do compared to WO and KB.

          MSM certainly have their faults and have a lot of clickbait and crap, but they also have a lot of serious news, comment and investigative content.

          Farrar has some good commentary on politics but it’;s far more limited than MSM. Comments at KN are very mixed, there are good ones and there is a lot of fringe nonsense.

          WO relies mostly in MSM news reports, plus some tweets of usually fairly extreme views. You don’t get balance from far right stirrers, and WO is certainly far from balanced.They have become more far right activists, and are no comparison to MSM.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          Be far more accurate to say they provide an imbalance.

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    • duperez

       /  26th April 2019

      New Zealand might be a naive remote cultural backwater in this world. If, given access to all the information in the world from all sources, Whale Oil and Kiwiblog are the answers for that problem, the whole world is well and truly stuffed.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th April 2019

        I have read very little of WO and wasn’t impressed. If Kiwiblog is like it, I haven’t missed much.

        Katie Hopkins is well-known as a bigot and stirrer and is likely to have scored an own goal in this witless attack.

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  2. Griff.

     /  26th April 2019

    Wingnut

    Just like not all conservatives are neocons, not all conservatives are wingnuts either. In fact, more often than not, the term is usually used interchangeably with “reactionary” or “radical right”.

    Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (e.g. Austrian school, Social Credit) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex. Not all wingnuts are racists, misogynists, homophobes, or transphobes, though many racists, misogynists, homophobes, and transphobes are also wingnuts.

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    • Kimbo

       /  26th April 2019

      Said it before a few days ago – it is always a source of amusement and confusion that the right wing reactionary authoritarians you describe are so fearful of an alleged Muslim takeover, when sharia looks a lot like the sort of society they want. 😳

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      • Gezza

         /  26th April 2019

        You think they want a society that stones adulterers to death, executes orvimprisons blasphemers & publicly chops the hands off thieves, including young children?

        Come on Kimbo. Keep it real.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          FiP!

          *or imprisons

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        • Kimbo

           /  26th April 2019

          Not far from it In some cases, Gezza. Put it this way: based on what they say on blogs, they would be very happy to turn the legal clock to c1960. That would involve recriminalising homosexuality, stopping any abortions and reinstituting capital punishment for murder and child molestation. That is the case in many Muslim countries, not just those like Saudi or Iran that go full sharia.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            Thos things do not equate with the severe forms of Sharia, Kimbo. Nor should it be assumed hard core modern day Christians advocate those views or all of them. That abiminable tactic of the US Creationist & Christian fundamentalists of making false allegations (bearing false witness & collective slanders) against other sects of Christians should be way beneath you.

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            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              Sharia in the minds of the West seems to be equated with cutting off hands, etc. I’m not disputing that seems to be in the Koran and is done in Saudi.

              But sharia is much more diverse (and it was in that sense I meant it), and much of it, when lived out results in socially conservative patriarchal societies like, say Malaysia or Indonesia, that right wing reactionaries crave.

          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            FiP

            *Those, abominable

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        • Kimbo

           /  26th April 2019

          Oh, yes, and have a particular faith declared to be the “national religion” with a push back against the boundaries of secularism and non-sectarianism, including maybe even outlawing some religions, and restricting migrants of another Abrahamic faith.

          And likely mandate the teaching of forms of creationism in schools, along with compulsory instruction in the National “Holy Text”. And during science classes cite examples where the holy book are “scientific”, which is a proof they are divinely inspired.

          And make it a test of religion and good politics to take a hardline stance on one side of the Israel-Palestine conflict, as one of the protagonists is divinely mandated by God to possess the land, while the other’s claim is a devilish cosmic plot to whom no compromise must ever be made to accommodate them.

          That’s the Christian conservative wet dream, which, as per Griff above, is a mirror-image of conservative Islam.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            May as well just repeat what I just posted above

            Those things do not equate with the severe forms of Sharia, Kimbo. Nor should it be assumed hard core modern day Christians advocate those views or all of them. That abominable tactic of the US Creationist & Christian fundamentalists of making false allegations (bearing false witness & collective slanders) against other sects of Christians should be way beneath you. I find it interesting that it’s not.

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            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              …and I’ll repeat as per above, by sharia i was not just referring to the “extremes” of chopping off limbs for theft, more the all-encompassing full-court press that encourages and enforces a patriarchal socially-conservative society from top to bottom.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Oh. Perhaps you should have said. Right at the outset?

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              Fair enough. Hope my clarification assists.

            • MaureenW

               /  26th April 2019

              @kimbo
              “… encourages and enforces a patriarchal, socially conservative society from top to bottom..”

              I take issue with the patriarchal part – I don’t believe men are rightful leaders of society or religions for that matter – they’ve run their race (poorly in my view). Merit based and gender neutral. The days of men being in charge exclusively are done – they are too predatory to be given this right.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Well, one hopes. By the time they read down to here. Seeing you belatedy now note above that:
              Sharia in the minds of the West seems to be equated with cutting off hands, etc.

              I imagine some won’t have bothered to check Wikipedia to see the array of “moderate” to severe forms it takes in different countries where it is part of the legal system of the dominant Muslim Jewish sect, because laws against some common, harmless human behaviours are no longer part of the legal systems of countries in the West where the secular humanists & followers of the more humane Christian Jewish sect have evolved more humane state laws.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Maureen ! You know I love you like a sister sometimes but could you let me know before you just barge in like that so I can put “@ Kimbo” at the start of my replies? ❤️ 😉

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              @ MaureenW

              Er, are you Jacqueline/Mother?

              Fair enough. Ya pays yer money and ya tak s yer pick. Either way, it seems you think the “right wing reactionary authoritarian” hat fits, so good luck to you…

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              @ Gezza

              I’ll bear that in mind for future. As I’ve had the privilege to discuss and compare notes with Muslims in theological discussion about what they perceive and understand sharia means in practice for them

              …and as I have Muslim in-laws who live in a socially-conservative officially 100% Muslim country which does has many aspects of a localised legal and cultural sharia (although I hasten to add it is nothing like the Teleban or Saudi)

              …I was thinking of it from what I understand of the Muslim perspective. Not the sensationalised bits that turn up on Whale Oil or in the Daily Mail to scare us all shitless. 😂

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              If Maureen was also Jacqueline, she’d have to have a condition that causes a split personality, one of which can’t apparently stand the other & often thinks the complete opposite of what that other one does. 😐

            • MaureenW

               /  26th April 2019

              @Kimbo
              Am I Jacqueline/mother – ha-ha.
              No I thought you may have been

            • Jacqueline

               /  26th April 2019

              No Kimbo. No tricks. Although I’ve wondered about Maureen too. I wonder if she’s a man.

              And she’s right on the truth there. Men have had their run. It’s time to work together before some other fundamentalist religion gobbles up Kiwis.

              Work with me Kimbo. I’m waiting in OF.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Understandably the conservative Judeo-Christians are no doubt thinking of the ideology & form of Shariah that is typically advocated by the kind of devout Muslims who’ve just sought credit with Allah & place in paradise in Sri Lanka. And that’s where theology is as useless as tits on a bull. Because there’s something in their scriptures that says that’s right. And they’ve been conned into believing the mythical, evil Jaweh is Allah.

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              …but, yet again, as I specified “right wing reactionary authoritarians” in my original response to Griff (which can include the irreligious, or nominal/non-spiritual “preserve Judas-Christian” clash-of-cultures type), you have narrowed down the discussion much more than my comment to Griff intended.

              But maybe there is someone else who will indulge you in your “Abrahamic religion” talking and regular-discussion point. But lest tha5 sound like a criticism, I salute your persistence. Whether it will beat resistance… 😉

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              Typo: Judaeo-Christian, not Judas-Christians.

              Or was it a Freudian slip? 😀

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Possibly not. I was surprised to learn last night there is a lost Gospel of Judas that has turned up in the historical jumble modern theological historians have examined.

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              The Jesus seminar treats the Gospel of Thomas found at Nag Hammadhi as the fifth Gospel in their discussion and research.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Seminar

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              I’ve been staggered to learn of the sheer number of forgeries in the thousands of historical documents now known. I think about only about 6 of the copies of Paul’s letters are considered likely (or possibly) to be authentic & that what anonymous early copies of the Gospels that can be found all appear to derive much later from each other & from Paul’s taking & cranking up over a fading dejected Jewish sect whose followers were expecting his return in their lifetimes. More Christians should be looking in to the current theological historical research, especially the work compiled and examined by independent, & not Christian, theologists & researchers, who have too much incentive find what justifies their existing belief & ignore all the rest.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              * Paul’s taking over

              Gotta go. Back later.

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              With you on the trail, Gezza, I’m sure they will hear much more of it soon…and repeatedly. 😂

              I’ll watch with interest your astute weighing and sifting of the various complex issues, including how you account for your own biases, and attempt to work in such a way where they do not unduly influence good research. 😀

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              It’s not a bias, Kimbo. Remember I used to be one of you, a believer.

              But if someone now writes a work of complete fiction full of battles of good against evil, & different tribes & a whole ancient history of their existence, along with powerful beings, & objects, with magical powers, & false mythologies interwoven throughout, and nothing but printed copies of final copies of scraps & notes of chapters, & bits of chapters – like the Lord of The Rings, you reject it outright as obvious fiction.

              Because these things you know to be impossible. The things you believe your God to have done are impossible. There’s a reason for that. It doesn’t exist in reality, never did, & it never did them. And that’s why nobody has ever seen it doing them since.

              It’s obvious that is the case to the millions of no longer practising theists & long time atheists.

              And yet this is exactly what you have in your Bible. It’s fiction. And you’re the one who’s sent me to look at the reputable, unbiased, professional scholars who now know & have shown this.

            • Kimbo

               /  26th April 2019

              Wow! You watch a couple of YouTube videos about New and Old Testament critical textual scholarship and you’re a freeking expert dropping “certitude bombs” like a flight of B52s over Hanoi, c1972. 😂😂

              Maybe, just maybe that indicates you need to do some scholarly hygiene to take into account those biases you maybe, just maybe have. 😀

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              You spend what I expect might be something like a lifetime believing in a god for whom there is no actual evidence it even exists, who murders his own creations, who works magic no one has ever seen, or proven, or should have any credible reason to believe (unless it meets some need others don’t have to live a productive life caring about others anyway – because that’s how people just naturally are unless misdirected), resesrching the works of dozens of other people who share similar beliefs to yours in a god that originated from one mythical pagan god, with properties remarkably similar to various other gods around at the time both Jaweh & the Jesus God extension were invented, & who have all furthered the building of an obvious myth into a powerful multinational political & movement, springboarding off, originally, ancient, uneducated people’s beliefs in gods to explain all their many unknowns, & getting more and more into the mystical, metaphysical, & philosphical proofs as time goes by because human knowledge has advanced to the point the Bible can be seen to be nonsense taken literally.

              And then you think because you’re an expert in all the bullshit I need to be too?

              I am not silly enuf to be diverted for long from the obvious.

        • Kimbo

           /  26th April 2019

          …and ban sex education in schools, especially contraception and anything that in any way “encourages” or endorses LGBT sexual dispositions…which in all cases are an immoral choice that can be changed, not a genetic predisposition.

          And reinstitute strict censorship against “indecency”.

          And execute dru traffickers.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            I’ve never heard any conservative Christian advocating executing drug traffickers in NZ? Can you link me to any? What I have heard, fairly commonly, & not just from conservative Christians, is the view that if people traffic drugs in or into or out of countries that they know have the death penalty, & carry it out, there’s not really much point crying about it if determined efforts from NZ or elsewhere to save them from it fail. However appalling it might be to those of us who are concerned there hasn’t been a fair trial & that if they drug addicts themselves they need treatment, not burying.

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          • Kimbo

             /  26th April 2019

            Clarification: At no stage have I confined my discussion to NZ. Nor Christians for that matter, either. Instead I was speaking generally of the West and “right wing reactionary conservatives (which can include Christians, or “Judaeo-Christian heritage” nominals), as Griff’s original “wing nut” comment to which I responded was also General in location.

            Follow the line of logic where this Australian (Christian) is going:

            https://billmuehlenberg.com/2015/02/14/christians-crime-and-the-death-penalty/

            …and I think it is clear he has no problem with the execution of dug traffickers in Indonesia, but also in Australia.

            Also, I suggest you maybe check out the theonomist movement.

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          • Kimbo

             /  26th April 2019

            …a prior comment of mine is still in moderation where I clarify I’m not restricting my comment to NZ or Christians (I specified right wing reactionary authoritarians), but in the meantime there is Griff’s old friend, the befuddled but always amusing Redbaiter, who’s much in favour of the death penalty for drug trafficking in New Zealand:

            https://truebluenz.com/2015/02/13/death-penalty-for-drug-traffickers-indonesia-shows-will-the-progressive-west-lacks/

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      • Griff.

         /  26th April 2019

        No offense intended towards your belief system Kimbo.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          Kimbo’s not a far right Christian, Griff. That stuff – while it still is the core belief system of the uneducable thickos who infest the US Bible Belt & who DO read the Bible & can see that the new model Jaweh, Jesus, never explicitly cancelled it out or acknowledged Jaweh was a monster, (because he’s allegedly his dad), they’re seen as a wacko, misguided fringe element by the more numerous modern Christian preachers & theologians who have poured their energies in the last century or more into moving their flocks’ gaze away from that Islam-like stuff & Jaweh’s/the Israelites’ similar primitive laws & beliefs reflected in the Old Testament & concentrating on a more humanistic interpretation based on the better, more tolerant parts of the reworked precious few copies of copies of copies of copies of reinterpreted surviving scripts of early Jewish Jesus sects.

          Most modern Christians & apologists sell a selectively interpreted, tolerant & palatable NewcTestament faith to those steeped in it or converted from their bad or thuggish behaviour (eg violent gang members brought to Jesus while in prison).

          You won’t be able to get them engaged on that stuff. It’s not even there, or it’s excused & sidelined by decades of confusing &/or implausible, but acceptable philosophical & mumbling apologetics, for them.

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          • Griff.

             /  26th April 2019

            No offense intended towards your belief system Kimbo…..

            I know Kimbo’s politics Gezza
            Liberal leaning right not gibbering wingnut..
            Hence the disclaimer.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            Yup. I know.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            To clarify, my comments are for any of the Whaleoil type modern Christians for whom that diagram will simply whoosh over their heads or slip under the carpet. They should go have a look at what modern day Theologians doing solid, peer-reviewd reasearch have now uncovered about how ill-founded their superstitious beliefs in myths & the supernatural are. Most of them, however, will be too scared to. It will smash their world to bits. It could do some of them huge psychological damage. And that’s why they go all out after atheists who just try & point this out.

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  26th April 2019

              I’m curious G. Do you think a ‘whaloil type modern christian’ would display the characteristics defined as the ‘christian right’ in the diagram above?

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Probably not, no. But I certainly wouldn’t assume so. They are most likely very ill-informed about the pathetically poor evidence underpinning their modern-day beliefs though.

              You seem to to spend more time looking at that blog than I do. I rarely get the inclination to visit it, it generally looks much like a bog to me & the sheer amount of adverising & other shite on the pages tend to crash or hsng the FiP anyway.

              Do you think a whaleoil type Christian would display those characteristics, c?

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Fk! *hang.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Just when you’re ready, c.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              My money’s on the table, c. Where’s yours?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  26th April 2019

              G, just as pg looks to WO for the inspiration behind many of his posts I also spend an unhealthy amount of time perusing that site. But will respond later. I’ve got a big flock of gannets with assorted strays descending on chez c today and need to get the weber smoky mountain suitably tuned

            • Conspiratoor

               /  26th April 2019

              G, there would be no ‘wooshing’ sound because nobody in their right mind takes that shit seriously

              In my view the term ‘far right christian’ is an oxymoron. I think you would go a long way to find a follower of Christ’s teaching to be an advocate for electrocuting gays, ignoring the poor and vulnerable, bombing abortion clinics etc. A few religious nutters masquerading as Christians perhaps, westboro baptists spring to mind. However if it works for you to tar WO readers with this brush then go for it 😉

              As for the lack of ‘evidence’, I can only wish you all the best in your ongoing search for enlightenment. Consider this though. If a supreme being had decided to offer humanity hard evidence of his omnipotence, faith would no longer be a prerequisite. As believers we would all automatically qualify for a free pass. Cheers,c

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              In my view the term ‘far right christian’ is an oxymoron. I think you would go a long way to find a follower of Christ’s teaching to be an advocate for electrocuting gays, ignoring the poor and vulnerable, bombing abortion clinics etc. A few religious nutters masquerading as Christians perhaps, westboro baptists spring to mind. However if it works for you to tar WO readers with this brush then go for it 😉

              You appear to be labouring under a misapprehension here, if you think that is what I have said above & I think you should start at the top and read my comments again.

              I am saying that I do NOT think Whaleoil believers the God of any of the now many Christian Jewish sects (they are actually still Jewish sects) are anything more than the bog standard, modern day, bad bits swept under the carpet, conservative, but otherwise generally humane types of Believers in The ancient Monster Jaweh & the unsupportably Divine Jesus.

              In other words, they ain’t Westboros or The Bish or poor deluded Izzy types.

              As long as you are a decent bloke, you thinking you get a free pass to paradise is doing no harm. But other ardent believers in the holy book of your particular favourite Jesus-oriented Jewish sect & of the original Jaweh Jewish sects, & the Muhammad Jewish sects are killing & being killed, still, on the basis of what is in all your holy books, and they’re all demonstrably bunkum. And if you dig into the current state of research into the region, the times, & the historicity of when, & how, these books originated your blinkers might fall off.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              PS: Also, c, mon ami, I asked you to put your money on the table, not your monkey !

    • Dave K

       /  26th April 2019

      “Just like not all liberals are socialists, not all liberals are fcukwits either. In fact, more often than not, the term is usually used interchangeably with “leftards” or “ctrl-left”.

      Being a fcukwit requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as fcukwittery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, fcukwits are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically lest-wing). Constant gibbering about the “alt-right” and ‘white supremacy’ as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, islamaphobia, global warming, waaaaaaasism (although only of ane particular kind), psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (e.g. Modern Monetary Theory, Socialism) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex. Not all fcukwits are eco-terrorists, antifa rabble, post heteronormative activists, or extinction rebellion radicals, though eco-terrorists, antifa rabble, post heteronormative activists, or extinction rebellion radicals are almost always fcukwits.”

      Labelling is such a cool game….

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  3. Duker

     /  26th April 2019

    Its funny that the ‘churches and hotels attacked’ line is terrible for Ardern to say but no comment when it was used by Trump in a tweet
    “Heartfelt condolences from the people of the United States to the people of Sri Lanka on the horrible terrorist attacks on churches and hotels that have killed at least 138 million people and badly injured 600 more,” Trump tweeted. “We stand ready to help!”
    ( The 138 mill ref appears to just be a typo)

    Same went for the head covering worn by Ardern, but no comment about the head coverings worn by the Trump women when at the Vatican.

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    • Patricia

       /  26th April 2019

      “Same went for the head covering worn by Ardern, but no comment about the head coverings worn by the Trump women when at the Vatican.”
      Melania Trump is a baptized Catholic and as such would be expected to dress and behave accordingly when meeting the Pope.

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      • Duker

         /  26th April 2019

        Ivanka too had a veil but, just before her marriage converted to judaism, who knows what religion she was bought up as ?
        The Queen has worn a veil meeting the Pope, so has Michelle Obama, so its not a rule for catholics only.
        I see another veil in this picture too

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          One those blokes is wearing a frock, too.

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          • Duker

             /  26th April 2019

            It’s a cassock or soutane which is supposed to be deived from ancient Roman tunics worn under the toga.
            Trousers are much later invention borrowed from the central Asia/east- another item from our multicultural heritage the white supremacists seem to have forgotten about
            Once draped clothing was seem as the mark of civilisations’ and trousers meant you were a barbarian.
            Anyone who wears drawers is of course a gentleman

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            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2019

              Thanks. Does every other bloke in Italy still wear these frocks?

          • MaureenW

             /  26th April 2019

            Thank heavens Jerry’s got some sense.

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  4. Corky

     /  26th April 2019

    ”The blog attracts people who like firearms, and it attracts people who see Christians as victims, who see ‘Western civilisation’ under threat, and see Islam and Muslims as the threat.”

    That describes me to a tee, although I would add a few small riders.

    I watched the news last night. Many younger Kiwis were interviewed at ANZAC services. Most said words to the affect that our service people died for our freedom.

    Too true, that’s the ‘RIGHT’ thing to say. But here’s the thing. If we took these young people aside and spoke to them about life in general, what are the chances they would say the following:

    1- Don Brash is a racist.
    2- Maori have been devastated by colonialism.
    3- There’s no need for people to own semi automatic guns.
    4- Muslims are peaceful people.
    5- White supremacists are more of a problem
    6- Old white men have too much power.
    7- Climate Change is a reality. It’s not open to debate.
    8- Western culture is arrogant.
    9- We need hate speech laws.

    So, in reality, many of these young people don’t realise the sacrifice our military personal made for us. They won’t realise that until it’s too late.

    I make no apologies for my stand on these issues. The warning signs are clear from my perspective.

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    • Blazer

       /  26th April 2019

      We remember the bravery of the ANZAC troops sent to slaughter at the attempted invasion of…Turkey.

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      • Corky

         /  26th April 2019

        Different times, allegiances and motives. Don’t forget WW2. And don’t forget Unionists who went on strike during WW2, while their fellow countrymen were slaughtered overseas.

        Said like a true socialist, Blazer. One who can find fault with the West at the drop of a hat.

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        • Blazer

           /  26th April 2019

          In the 2nd World War ..Gt Britain declared war on Germany for invading Poland.

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          • Kimbo

             /  26th April 2019

            In the 1st World War ..Gt Britain declared war on Germany for invading Belgium. And the Ottoman Empire then became an ally of Germany.

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            • Blazer

               /  26th April 2019

              seems like Gt Britain was keen on…invasion.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  26th April 2019

              There is absolutely no reason to put those words in the mouths of the young people at Gallipoli; there is no reason to think that they are all clones as far as their ideas go. It’s ridiculous to attribute these ideas to them and assume that they would feel like this.

              The soldiers (military PERSONNEL) who went and fought were fighting in a war that was happening in Europe then; Germany had invaded Belgium and done immense damage there. Buildings were shelled and bombed; people were killed.

              I would guess that anyone who takes the trouble to go to the other side of the world would be well aware of why the men of WWI went to fight, contrary to Corky’s unflattering idea about them.

              The opening sentences are just Corky’s oft-repeated bigotry and bias.

  5. Corky

     /  26th April 2019

    Crikey.. the Whaler is applying the hurt today.

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    • Gezza

       /  26th April 2019

      I thought he was still so ill he was only able to fire shotguns at clay pigeons?

      What are you on about Corks?

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    • Duker

       /  26th April 2019

      Thats nonsense about WO being unwell. When you look at his history , Whaleoil was the attributed author to many posts made by his allies/subordinates.
      Now all that has changed is his wifes name has appeared on many of his own posts.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th April 2019

        It’s probably obvious from the style who the writer was.

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  6. harryk

     /  26th April 2019

    Ms Ardern is methodically ticking all the lefty boxes to secure her next gig at the UN where she can preach to the plebs and can’t be voted out when the economy tanks. She began by taking on Aust over our refugee policy, after which all Australia knew who Ardern was. Then she used Christchurch to gratuitously promote herself, now the world knows who she is. She following a typical lefty pattern. Australia has sent police investigators to Sri Lanka. Has Ardern sent any NZ police? Why not? I’m increasingly disappointed in her. All mouthwash no substance.

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    • Gezza

       /  26th April 2019

      It’s doing wonders for her teeth though, harry. You’d have to be fair there.

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      • harryk

         /  26th April 2019

        ‘It’s doing wonders for her teeth’

        She didn’t invite Sam Hunt to compose and recite a quirky pastorale entitled ‘Two Dogs. Christchurch’ at the concert. Big mistake.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          Was Sam Hunt there? When was this? Does he still look like a verical pile of old clothes somebody just emptied out of the used clothes collection hopper at the railway station? And sound like an erratic tape recorder playback?

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    • duperez

       /  26th April 2019

      The thing about Jacinda Ardern and the UN has been canvassed on here before.

      Just after saying that Ms Ardern is doing all she can to get a job at the UN along with the other ‘evidence’? Well, the expression “all mouthwash no substance” is there.

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      • harryk

         /  26th April 2019

        ‘evidence?’

        It’s more a developing pattern of behaviour. Let’s watch. I’m struggling to understand how her famous intuition hasn’t prompted her to offer NZ Police investigators, like Oz, to SL. You know, show a bit of solidarity. Such a move surely wouldn’t lose votes, would it?

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          Now that you’ve raised that I’m puzzled by that too, because I am sure Muslims here who are horrified by SL would fully support it – but I think I heard on 1news at 6 tonite that our police may all now be occupied trying to find some dangerous character who has just stolen a whole armoury of bloody semi-automatic weapons including some recently handed in & some being held as evidence for upcoming court cases – from a bloody POLICE STATION!

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        • duperez

           /  26th April 2019

          Developing pattern of behaviour? What? The behaviour of someone who is PM? The behaviour of someone being in the news?

          Surely some of the behaviour you’re talking about is the behaviour of observers – like the behaviour of portraying everything as she does as a way to get a UN role, the behaviour of claiming virtually everything she does as being for attention, to ‘gratuitously promote’ herself.

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  7. MaureenW

     /  26th April 2019

    Destiny Church reclaims Christchurch for Jesus … “The purpose was to stand out in the open and to declare that Christchurch and New Zealand belongs to Jesus Christ who is the one true god.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112268320/destiny-church-members-reclaim-christchurch-for-jesus

    That should bring a few more religious loons out ..

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    • Gezza

       /  26th April 2019

      Jeez. The number of one true gods around seem to actually number in the hundreds, possibly more. Not much of a researcher, The Bish.

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      • MaureenW

         /  26th April 2019

        Well it’s good to see they got straight to the source of “the religious argument” rather than pissing around with other loony bits their religions might have in common – like they’re all loons together fighting over the true god.

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      • MaureenW

         /  26th April 2019

        To be honest Gezza, I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for god/the gods – I’m sure he/they didn’t intend the human master-piece would turn out to be so stupid.
        Probably creating day AND night tuckered him out – should have done humans first ..

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2019

          If he did that & then tried to fix the immediately obvious faulty programming we’d still be waiting for a planet to live on, Maureen.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2019

            And none of these arrogant people give any credit or recognition to Baal, Thor, Zeus, Osiris, dozens of Asian & Chinese, Aztec, Incan etc gods. All perfectly good, useable gods, & based on as much, indeed often more, documentary & philosophical evidence as blimmin Yaweh, who couldn’t even get one bloody tribe of descendents from his very first models to follow his programme & has been wiping them out & doing bloody updates ever since.

            And they’re still screwing up. Just bloody hopeless. Any other God would’ve been bloody sacked for the sheer number of faulty products this one’s turnrd out. 😠

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  8. harryk

     /  26th April 2019

    Here’s my belated reflection on ANZAC Day.

    The biggest loser of WW1 was Newfoundland. Their war losses were horrendous and they lost their realistic chance at sovereignty. Their Regiment was wiped out in a single battle, which wrecked the fishing industry manpower and along with veteran and widow pensions pushed their war debt over the edge. Newfoundland once had the same Dominion status as NZ and Oz but postwar London was forced to bail them out and take over Govt. They never recovered and were forced into a referendum, with options manipulated so they couldn’t join the US. NZ was luckier.

    My links don’t always work so I won’t link, anyone interested can have a listen to the elegy The Little Blue Forget Me Not – Bud Davidge (of Simani) on Youtube. Great song.

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