Open Forum – Saturday

27 April 2019

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  1. Corky

     /  27th April 2019

    While the good people of Aotearoa hand in their firearms because of one terrorist, the crims are having a ball. One broke into the Palmy police station and stole 11 firearms. And there has been a suspected gangland shooting at a Harley Davidson outlet ( one of many).

    Our local police have a supposed secret storage facility. I know this because our local paper published a heavily redacted photo of the facility to stop any identification. The problem is while scanning this photo I saw a faint reflection in the bottom of one window. I enlarged the photo and discovered where this storage unit was located. So much for security.

    Before our resident halfwit writes that no paper would publish a photo of a secret police storage unit…it needs to be said the photo accompanied a story regarding a huge upcoming police auction. And no..the auction was not held at this secret location. The reason for that is because then the location wouldn’t be secret anymore. 🙄✔

  2. David

     /  27th April 2019

    Phew 3.2% growth in the US, Dow hitting fresh highs and the lowest unemployment rate for since forever. Pretty impressive at this stage of the cycle.

  3. Corky

     /  27th April 2019

    From the Toronto Sun:

    ”Almost no one dared to mention the word “Christian” let alone identify the terrorists as Muslim or Islamist or whatever safe word they could find in the politically correct dictionary that only the chattering classes employ. Using ordinary plain English to describe the atrocities would of course open one to be labelled “White Nationalist” or “Islamophobe.

    I heard the word Islamic a couple of time and Christians once. However, people were definitely limiting the use of those words.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-why-islamic-terrorists-slaughtered-christians-in-sri-lanka

    Also from the Sun. Toronto has their own gun buy-back scheme. While the focus is different, I’m betting the cheap prices given for weapons will be the same in New Zealand.

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    https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/gun-buyback

    • These arguments about how things were described are largely nonsense attempting to claim Christians as victims of I’m not sure what,

      ‘Church’ was frequently mentioned. A church is a place of worship for Christians.

      As far as I’m aware there is no commandment that stipulates that the media should use specific words in their reporting that rule out any possibility that anyone looking for for offence can claim offence.

      Try googling +christian +sri lanka +bombing

      I get 32,500 results.

      • Corky

         /  27th April 2019

        Church’ was frequently mentioned. A church is a place of worship for Christians.”

        Well, language is a tricky proposition, Pete. More so when that language is run through a number of filters by the media.

        Yes, Church and Christians go to together by default. But ”church” is one step removed from saying the word ”Christian.”

        How many times did you hear our media say something like: ”The Christian death toll from the Sri Lnakan terrorist attack is now estimated at over one hundred?”

        Yes, I Googled what you linked. First up, I got this. The five lead stories with pictures, only two mentioned Christians outright. The next two links were these:

        ”Hundreds of Muslims flee, Christians grieve in Sri Lankan town torn by …
        https://www.straitstimes.com/…/hundreds-of-muslims-flee-christians-grieve-in-sri-lank…
        2 days ago – NEGOMBO, Sri Lanka (REUTERS) – As mourners buried the remains of Christian worshippers killed by the Easter Sunday suicide bomb …”

        ”Sri Lanka says Easter Attack Leader Died in Hotel Bombing | CBN News
        https://www1.cbn.com/…/sri-lanka-says-easter-attack-leader-died-in-hotel-bombing
        15 hours ago – The suspected leader of the militant group Sri Lankan authorities said carried out a series of Easter Sunday bombings died in the blast at the Shangri-La hotel, one of six … Buddhists, Christians, Hindus – everybody’s nervous.”

        I’m not saying Christians are victims. What I am saying is Christians aren’t favour of the month with MSM… Muslims are. Sometimes the bias is so subtle I only see it in retrospect.

        • How many times did you hear our media say something like: ”The Christian death toll from the Sri Lnakan terrorist attack is now estimated at over one hundred?”

          I didn’t take much notice, but as the religion of the victims would have been unknown (hotels were bombed as well as churches) I think it would have been silly to claim a ‘Christian death toll’.

        • What I am saying is Christians aren’t favour of the month with MSM… Muslims are.

          I realise that’s the perception of some, and the deliberate stirring by others, but I call bullshit on it.

          Do you want someone like Brian Tamaki, Katie Hopkins or the word police at Whale Oil to approve the wording of all media reports on terrorist attacks?

          • Corky

             /  27th April 2019

            ”Do you want someone like Brian Tamaki, Katie Hopkins or the word police at Whale Oil to approve the wording of all media reports on terrorist attacks?”

            Definitely not. For me words are just a bias meter for what I consider a concerted effort by the liberal Western world to exterminate our religious heritage and history in favour of a rudderless society with no values. Liberalism can only survive in such an environment. An environment where no one dares call the emperor out as a cross dressing waste of space.

        • Kimbo

           /  27th April 2019

          Yes, Church and Christians go together by default. But “church” is one step removed from saying the word “Christians”.

          One step removed in the sense it is another word…which functions as an unambiguous synonym. Put it this way, do you get the same sense of “removal” by substituting “Muslim” with “mosque”? If not, the issue may not have originated with the MSM’s reporting and choice of wholly-accurate words,, but you.

          Had the same issue with someone else on Your NZ yesterday over the meanings and obvious connotations of “sharia”. I was meaning it in the sense and scope and forms that most Muslims mean and experience it in every day. He understood it first in the Whale Oil moral panic-induced sense of lopping hands off in Saudi (which indeed does occur).

          • Corky

             /  27th April 2019

            ”Put it this way, do you get the same sense of “removal” by substituting “Muslim” with “mosque”? If not, the issue may not have originated with the MSM’s reporting and choice of wholly-accurate words, but you.”

            No, I don’t get the same sense of removal, as compared with the Church/Christian example.

            However, the dichotomy if you like between the two is one of ‘word counts’, prevailing liberal milieu and past reportage and Islamophobia as opposed to correct and proper use of words and meaning.

            • Kimbo

               /  27th April 2019

              All of which I’d suggest and as before, are likely your personal psychological perceptions rather than a more objective reality. Hence particular words or their absence is functioning like a Rorschach test for you. Hence your judgement is that it is “tricky”.

              None of which is a crime, btw. Or at least…not yet! 😉

            • Corky

               /  27th April 2019

              Islamophobia, word counts and past reportage have nothing to do with my psychological perceptions . Perceptions, either right of wrong are subjective. The former can be proven objectively.

              Let’s wait for the next terrorist attack and see how our media treat it. Let’s hope it’s not like Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux were treated.

            • Gezza

               /  27th April 2019

              1news at 6 had an item showing the bushmaster/armed police who will be standing guard outside all mosques during the upcoming month of Ramadan & who it sounded like will be stationed outside mosques & churches for the month too. Religion & the terrorism spinning off it has been a worldwide impact issue that has regularly locked down air travel & countries ever since 9/11. It is hard to foresee when NZ is ever going to be able to relax & feel completely safe again at this stage. Who ever saw armed police having to guard all of these temples in case of attacks by one of the others or anyone with a murderous hateed of someone who practices any of them?

            • Gezza

               /  27th April 2019

              *synagogues & churches, sorry.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th April 2019

              Without access to our intelligence data it’s hard to know if our glorious leaders need psychoanalysis or just philosophy. Either way I expect Joe Public to get bored pretty quickly if nothing exciting happens.

            • Gezza

               /  27th April 2019

              One hopes. But now there’ll be anniversaries & police nervousness about religious holiday periods & large gatherings for quite a while, I suspect. Meantime police up in Auckland are worrying about a gang war breaking out as well, according to 1news tonite.

  4. harryk

     /  27th April 2019

    The media ie individual journalists and opinion lead writers, remain ignorant of SL history and still haven’t done their basic research. As I indicated here early on, Muslims in SL entered the phase of preconditioning to radicalisation during the war with the LTTE, when Muslims were issued weapons, fought for the Govt, and experienced ethnic cleansing at the hands of LTTE terrorists. Govt tried to recall the weapons when many feared a Jihad was mobilising. I linked to a 2006 media piece and a thesis so won’t do so again, I assume readers who are interested have already read them.

    The left leaning media in Australia is indeed jaundiced against Christians. When jihadis began attacking Protestants in Ambon [still falsely portrayed by ‘experts’ as a Muslim vs Christian war] in the late 1990s and refugees began fleeing to Oz, a senior TV doco journo approached me in Dili to ask me to get permission for his crew to travel by helo and cover refugee returns. When I gave him a headsup about Ambonese Protestant refugees he answered he only cared about Papua. Not only the media but the Aust Gov, Downer and DFAT, ignored what was developing. And I mean, deliberately ignored. Didn’t want to know. At that stage they didn’t even know what a ‘jihad’ was. Analysts who got it terribly wrong before the Sari Club atrocity slunk off into the Universities to relaunch their careers as ‘experts.’ Some of them will be familiar to readers. Aust didn’t even have an Embassy in the Vatican until 2008 due to DFAT resistance.

    Praveen again puts the ignorant and lazy Oz and NZ media to shame.

    https://www.firstpost.com/blogs/blog-india/deep-focus/the-long-road-to-colombo-carnage-6522621.html