Andrew Little guarantees binding referendum on cannabis law reform

Cabinet may be announcing how they will deal with the promised referendum on cannabis law reform today.

RNZ: Little guarantees binding cannabis referendum – but yet to define ‘binding’

Justice Minister Andrew Little has guaranteed that next year’s cannabis referendum will be binding, but says he will explain “what binding actually means” when the next details are announced.

Mr Little told RNZ the government stood by its commitment to hold a binding referendum alongside the 2020 election, but he suggested the word “binding” could have several interpretations.

“We made the decision at the end of last year for a binding referendum. That decision remains,” he said.

“[But] once Cabinet has made its decisions, and we’re in a position to announce the next phase … we’ll be able to explain what ‘binding’ actually means.”

Mr Little said the best time to offer that “clarity” would be after the final decision and announcement which he expected would be in “fairly short order”.

National MP Paula Bennett said anything less than the “full legislative process” would let down the public.

“We would like to see legislation that has gone through the House … through the scrutiny of a select committee, so experts can really be involved.

“I hear though there’s a lot of dissension amongst the Greens, New Zealand First and Labour … and I’m worried they’ll go with a watered-down version because it’s too difficult for them to agree.”

This looks quite different to what National were promoting with the leaked Cabinet paper yesterday.

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  1. sounds like Natls’ ‘cannabis agenda’ is about Fear-mongering & ‘barking at passing cars’. Surely IF they are genuine about reducing ‘drug-related harm’ then they too, would support a ‘health based approach’ NOT status quo/lock ’em all up ?!

    I await the details from the Govt. (Mr Little & Chloe) NOT the misinfo. about ‘decrim. by stealth’ & all the other B-S about ‘legalising MARIJUANA’ that Paula & Bridges are constantly prattling on about :/

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    • btw: ‘marijuana’ is a slang name, used (since 1930s) to confuse & demonise the CANNABIS plant/buds.

      Definition of Insanity……. ?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  6th May 2019

        I think that complaining about the word marijuana is nitpicking; most people use it without a double meaning and I hear people using it and cannabis interchangeably and in a neutral way. Including a man who smokes it regularly !

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        • duly noted kitty..

          BUT if you listen to the MPs.. it seems that the Govt. call it Cannabis (official name) & the Opposition, often use the M-J word; in their regular FEAR-mongering/Misinfo.
          ‘Why is this so ?’ :/

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  6th May 2019

            Who cares ?

            Most people don’t seem to make this distinction.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  6th May 2019

            It seems utterly unimportant whether it’s called marijuana, cannabis or anything else. It’s like quibbling over calling sheets and pillowcases ‘linen’ and ‘Manchester’ or talking about mowing the lawn or the grass.

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  2. Duker

     /  6th May 2019

    Is that the issue now ? Definition of ‘binding’
    I can see that we arent going to have cooperation from the drug reform lobby, they will play it as grievance mode all the way.

    Ah the underdog position …big bad government has got us by the testicles ….no no make that scrotum…..no no make that.. testes…

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  3. Corky

     /  6th May 2019

    If cannabis law reform is passed, it will spell the end of Maori society. There will be a complete break down of what’s left of Maori social structures. That’s even before we get to the P epidemic Maori are currently facing.

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    • YES.. it will be the ‘End of the WORLD as we know it’ everybody needs to start panicking & running for the hills !!!

      OR perhaps it will be a new era of actually addressing the issues & moving away from all the FEAR-MONGERING.. to Health Care & drug education, rehab. etc. as is already occurring in several other countries ?

      oh dear…. :/

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      • Duker

         /  6th May 2019

        Why ‘encourage it’ ?
        if your main argument is wanting the harm reduction measures in place – you WILL lose the debate and vote.

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        • oh really…. 🙂

          btw: I’ll leave it to adults, with Freedom of choice, to hopefully VOTE in 2020 :/

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    • Duker

       /  6th May 2019

      Im opposed because of a friend roughly my own age- the difference was a regular marijuana smoker from his late teens onwards, until he had a stroke in his early 50s that was linked to his continued use of weed. Once he regained his speech ( when I came to know him) didnt smoke anymore.
      he was a working class man who didnt let the stuff dominate his life, but Im sure they were
      lifes downsides as well that could be attributed to other causes. The excuses stopped with the stroke.
      Another professional woman, who was in and out of work for her career said she smoked it by the sackful from student days. Once she decided to deal with what was an addiction , things changed for the better.
      Others I know had the usual problems, relationship breakups because of weed and moved away from that regular use scene.
      legal or Illegal wasnt the overiding issue as none were involved in cultivation or distribution

      Doesnt seem to be much in the way of benefits and a lot of harm there

      Probably better stories around ( few ?) and much worse life impacts ( many ?).

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      • Griff.

         /  6th May 2019

        Tell us Duker do you ever drink alcohol?

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        • Gerrit

           /  6th May 2019

          With legal alcohol consumption there are rules and regulations regarding how much is permissible in the blood stream to stop one from driving (as one example) legally. There is a testing regime in place to check.

          I cant see many wanting to legalise cannabis without the checks and balances in place in regards driving (for example).

          How much cannabis intake is too much before one is incapable of being save on the road? How will it be tested? What are the legal ramifications and punishments for being stoned in charge of a vehicle?

          I would have thought those question would have to be addressed before a majority vote would be achieved.

          Same for workplace safety; How much cannabis intake is too much before one is incapable of being save in the workplace? How will it be tested? What are the legal ramifications and punishments for being stoned at a work place? .

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  6th May 2019

            I believe that it can now be detected as other drugs can be.

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          • Griff.

             /  6th May 2019

            We have a law for driving while intoxicated.
            We have drug testing for regulating drug use in industry.
            So all you demand is already happening now.

            What is your point ?

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            • Gerrit

               /  6th May 2019

              Point is at what level are they set? Read this again slowly
              .
              “How much cannabis intake is too much before one is incapable of being save in the workplace? How will it be tested? What are the legal ramifications and punishments for being stoned at a work place?”

              and

              “How much cannabis intake is too much before one is incapable of being save on the road? How will it be tested? What are the legal ramifications and punishments for being stoned in charge of a vehicle?”

              The question is partly the testing regime and partly the acceptable levels of intoxication (stonedness).

              Who is going to vote for cannabis reform if we don’t know what levels of stonedness are permitted? Currently zero? No?

              And with the smoke free 2025 initiative what is the point of legalising in 2021 and than making cannabis and tobacco not legal in 2025?

            • Duker

               /  6th May 2019

              “I cant see many wanting to legalise cannabis without the checks and balances in place in regards driving (for example).”

              if it needs checks and balances why even go there and change things.
              No alcohol is not a good comparison as we have it legal with checks and balances which cause endless issues. We cant uncrack that egg for the omlette after its made. And yes the problems occur from the binge drinkers, which based on Australian study, are drinking more while the group of non/very little drinkers is growing ( mostly because of increased numbers asian women- aussie women drink like fish still).
              Do we really want to make the heavy smokers feel they can smoke more ?

            • Griff.

               /  6th May 2019

              I see Duks from your lack of a reply to my question you use alcohol
              Which by any measurement is many times worse than cannabis.
              #fuckin hypocrites..

              And yes the problems occur from the binge drinker

              Ah yes and you dont think you are included …
              No the problems with alcohol use is not just binge drinking.

              Fetal alcohol syndrome
              The handicapped offspring of woman who drink during pregnancy full our prisons and welfare lines.

              Addiction.
              It is about twice as addictive as cannabis.
              The withdrawal from alcohol addiction can KILL.

              Crime.
              At least a third of all police recorded offences are committed by an offender who has consumed alcohol prior to committing the offenses.

              Health
              Between 600 and 800 people in New Zealand have been estimated to die each year from alcohol-related cause.
              Between 18% and 35% of injury-based emergency department .presentations are estimated to be alcohol-related, rising to between 60% and 70% during the weekend .
              Approximately 45% of fire fatalities each year involve alcohol .

              But that is all OK because you do it .

              Your arguments on cannabis are at best based on reefer madness bullshite and ignorance .
              Your hypocrisy is stunning.
              You give your own preferred recreational drug a free pass despite it being far worse for society and the indervidual.

            • Duker

               /  6th May 2019

              Where did those sort of numbers come from
              “The authors outline several limitations to their method, particularly the uncertainty of data taken from animal studies to determine what dosage of drugs is toxic to humans and the challenge of getting a fix on population-wide use of illegal drugs, such as cannabis. Some of the estimates of population exposure are based on sewage analysis. ”
              OOOkay
              https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/matters-of-substance/may-2015/cannabis-safer-than-alcohol/
              Not giving a grog a free pass, I mentioned that the alcohol restrictions train left the station long ago….. not a reason to send another train AFTER it.

      • alloytoo

         /  6th May 2019

        I share your concern regarding ongoing problems arising from cannabis use. Mental health as well as health and safety.

        I have very little faith in this government to produce manageable legislation which addresses my concerns, and certainly won’t vote “Yes” to a blank check.

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        • Blazer

           /  6th May 2019

          have to agree with you on this one ally..very rare occurrence..my observations of regular cannabis users over decades tells me ..yes there are’ functioning potheads ‘but the psychosis of many is a ..concern.

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  4. just waiting for 6pm news.. there maybe some news from the Minister ?

    rather than speculation & misinfo. from Natl :/ 😀

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