Response to introduction of climate change bill

This is a big deal for the Greens.

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  8th May 2019

    As I said on Open Forum, another aspirational non-event.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  8th May 2019

      SP – ‘uninspirational’ ?

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      • Duker

         /  8th May 2019

        But but it was a legal obligation in 2016…. Bridges would love to be able to pretend ,like the UN migration Accord ,that national was opposed …
        Can you guess what his problem is?

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  2. Gerrit

     /  8th May 2019

    How is this going to work for New Zealand with only 0.02% of the world emissions?

    “Governments will be mandated to reduce biological methane by at least 10 per cent by 2030 and between 24 and 47 per cent by 2050. All other emissions would be reduced to “net zero” by 2050 to limit global warming increases to 1.5C.”

    Global warming increases will be controlled by the other 99.88% of the world emitters. How can the target of 1.5C ever be achieved by New Zealand alone?.

    What a load of virtue signaling and unachievable tripe that 1.5C target is.

    Are China, India, Brazil and Russia on board with this magic target?

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    • Duker

       /  8th May 2019

      Wasn’t this the target committed to by Keys government in signing the Paris agreement?

      Why yes it is
      “The Paris Agreement entered into force on 4 November 2016 and will take effect from 2020. This means New Zealand’s commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, our Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC), will apply from 2021. New Zealand’s NDC is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 30 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030.

      The purpose of the Paris Agreement is to:

      keep the global average temperature well below 2° C above pre-industrial levels, while pursuing efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5° C”. NZ MFaT

      What say you now Gerrit?
      load of virtue signaling and unachievable tripe that 1.5C target is., Now that you nknowit came into force in 2016

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      • Gerrit

         /  8th May 2019

        I say the1.5C target was totally unachievable in 2016 and even more so in 2019.

        Was virtue signaling in 2016 and is virtue signaling in 2019.

        Key government was chasing the vitual rainbow and now the Peters led Ardern government is doing the same.

        Nice to have a target even if it is unachievable in the time frame of completion by 2050. Even the expert work out the odds of achieving the 1.5C target is 66% at best by year 2100. Some 50 years after New Zealand. Meaning all politicians here are virtue signalling.

        “But the new work revealed that for a 66% chance of meeting the 1.5C target in 2100, the budget is 240bn tonnes of carbon, assuming that other greenhouse gases such as methane are also controlled. This means the target could be met if strong action is taken. The scientists also warned that carbon cuts need to happen sooner rather than later, starting with countries strengthening their Paris pledges in 2018.”

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/18/ambitious-15c-paris-climate-target-is-still-possible-new-analysis-shows

        So if only New Zealand is on board, is the 1.5C target in 2050 achievable? What say you Duker?

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        • Duker

           /  8th May 2019

          How many countries signed up to Paris?
          They say 174 states plus the EU. Trump dropped the US agreement but is reducing co2 anyway.
          It’s tiresome when you have opinions but no facts Gerrit. Best you stop saying anything at all

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          • Gerrit

             /  8th May 2019

            Tiresome that you wont face the facts that the major emitting countries are way, way, way short of achieving their Paris targets.

            https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/

            I guess the facts on the climate change tracker consisting of countries not meeting their targets is mere “opinion”?

            Only counties meeting their targets are the insignificant (in relation to the size of their emissions compared to the rest of the world) Morocco and Gambia.

            Have a look at the size off the countries not meeting their targets.

            New Zealand is in the Gambia and Morocco size wise league and as such the facts are clear that the world will boil faster than whatever climate change regimes put in place here. The target 1.5C by 2050 is not attainable. No matter how hard you look away from the facts.

            Be prepared for at least +3C climate temperature increases. Unless Peters best mate Russia steps up and totally cuts all emissions, there is no chance the temperature increase is going to be less than +3C.

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            • Duker

               /  8th May 2019

              Thats partly true, as NZ has been paying between $1bill to $1.5 bill per year because we are ‘over’ the set targets. About $800 mill is taxpayers money direct from Treasury- as organised by former Truck stop waitress and previous Climate Change Minister Paula Bennett.

              Quite high priced virtue signalling? ( makes the Met Gala ball look like
              homeless camp)
              Whatt say you to that ? Would Paula look great as a Chandelier?

            • Gerrit

               /  8th May 2019

              Did you not get the Ardern memo regarding being kind to people?

              Bordering on Bennett hate speech there.

              I guess when you are loosing the factual race, denigration is the only comeback? Shallow and cowardly.

              A I said virtual signaling by both governments. For all the good that $800M did for climate change, it would have been better used to build houses for the homeless.

              Hopefully those payments have stopped under the Peters led Ardern regime?

            • Duker

               /  8th May 2019

              Did you not get the memo – criticism isnt hate speech. She was a truck stop ‘server’ , she was a Climate Change Minister at the time.
              She loves to dress up

              You keep raising virtue signalling – we are locked into the 2016 deal done by PB- why suddenly say this government is going to repudiate it.

            • Griff.

               /  8th May 2019

              FWIW
              All the pathways that have us under 3C use a technology we dont have.
              Carbon Capture and Storage is not possible for an acceptable cost.
              We are still increasing emissions.


              The Closing Door of Climate Targets
              https://science.sciencemag.org/content/339/6117/280

            • Gerrit

               /  8th May 2019

              Where did I say that this government was going to repudiate this? Nowhere.

              All I’m saying is the government has a piddly squat chance of keeping global temperature to a rise of +1.5C with this climate change regulation.

              To put that target in the legislation is useless when even the experts, as outlined in the links provided, say that it has a 66% chance of happening in 2100 IF (huge big IF) drastic measures by ALL are taken.

              How do you think New Zealand will achieve restricting global warming by +1.5C in 2050?

              You confident the Russia’s and China’s of this world will achieve their targets?

          • “Trump dropped the US agreement but is reducing co2 anyway.”
            I haven’t checked but I’d say your on the gullible side of naive on this.

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  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  8th May 2019

    Binding in the old sense of constipating, I expect.

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