Fake claims at Whale Oil about mainstream media news coverage

Whale Oil has criticised mainstream media for years, claiming to be some sort of great new alternative –  ironically while relying a lot on MSM content for many of their posts.

On Tuesday they blasted MSM for not covering a story from a long time continuation of Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, but author SB either didn’t check basic facts, or deliberately posted fake claims.

The post from Tuesday: The mainstream media won’t cover this story so Whaleoil will

by SB on May 7, 2019 at 8:00am

Sadly when Israelis are being killed, their houses destroyed and their lives under constant threat from terrorists the Mainstream media do not care. They only lift their head up to write an article when one of the countless rockets fired from Gaza lands in Gaza and kills their own children. Then the media rocks up to show the bloody corpse of the Palestinian child and claim that it was a rocket from Israel that caused the child’s death.

The best way for Whaleoil to bring you up to speed with what has been going on is to put together the below collection from social media as without it you would have no idea that anything of note was happening thanks to the disinterest of the mainstream media.

The problem with this is that New Zealand media had been covering this days beforehand.

Sunday 5 May:

Monday 6 May:

The local real media had moved on from this story by the time SB got around to saying something about it, feeding fake comments:

Ian: ” Thank goodness we have Whaleoil . . . MSM also starve us of any news from South Africa as well as Israel, unless it can portray white people and non-muslims as evil and aggressors.

WIN: “The first I heard about the attacks was a post on WO Backchat two nights ago, which prompted me to look at overseas news sources for info. Amazing it’s ignored by NZ MSM.”

John doe: “Well done SB. Please keep following up. The biggest event in the world in the last 34 hours and silence from our MSM. They are a disgrace and should be called out as such. I simply can not understand how they can not impartially report on this terrorist attack on the only democratic state in the region.”

avionz: “Thank you for keeping us up to date with this situation SB. Our mendacious media either avoid mention of Israel or spew biased propaganda. Thank goodness for the people on WO who think for themselves and are ready to point out the hypocrisy from our leaders, the media and the UN. Shalom.”

Sailor Sam: “This is not confined to NZ, the left wing propaganda machine that is the government owned ABC has no mention of it at all, lots about baby Sussex though.”

Also false.

All of those reports make it clear Israel reacted to rockets fired from Gaza.

Even The Daily Blog posted on the rocket initiated escalation days before WO:

There is plenty the media can legitimately be criticised for without making fake claims.

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  1. David

     /  9th May 2019

    Good lord when you look at those headlines you are left with the impression Israel is the aggressor rather than them reacting to 600 rockets sent into residential areas by terrorism groups backed by Iran firing from residential areas in Palestine.
    If Hamas laid down their weapons today and asked for peace and dialogue they would probably get it. If Israel laid down their weapons there would be wholesale slaughter.
    The coverage is a lot lighter than usual because the media know who is at fault, I dont read it but it looks like Whaleoil may have a point if not being correct on everything.

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    • Kimbo

       /  9th May 2019

      Yeah, but if the Lehi/Stern Gang and Irgun had decided to lay down their arms in the years before 1948, including forsaking the use of terrorism, there may not be a modern state of Israel. But once you let that genie out of the bottle, it’s very hard to put it back in when others see it can be used as a successful template.

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  2. Griff.

     /  9th May 2019

    Ya gotta have something for the snowflakes to whine about.
    Feeling all hard done by and marginalized by the big nasty liberal media makes them feel special.

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  3. Peace will follow once the Arabs are out of the West bank and Israel is returned to her historical boundaries. Can’t make omelettes without breaking eggs.

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    • Which historical boundaries?

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      • Duker

         /  9th May 2019

        Doesnt matter the boundaries – what he wants is called ethnic cleansing.

        World is a funny place about ‘reclaiming lost territories’. Israel is allowed to get away with its land grabs ( its was jewish 2000 yrs ago!) while Russia isnt in the Crimea ( it was still russian speaking and only Ukrainian since 1954)
        Other land grabs are ignored completely now . Nato when it took Kosovo from Serbia, Turkey in Northern Cyprus and China from parts of Kashmir in the early 60s ( Could well included China and Tibet).
        No particular reason other than western convenience because large numbers of isolated islands and atolls in pacific and Indian oceans grabbed by European powers, but thats a no no if China does the same in South China Sea.

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        • Corky

           /  9th May 2019

          Your historical insights are astounding. Your knowledge of humans,subpar..and that’s being generous.

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    • Kimbo

       /  9th May 2019

      @ artcroft

      Given human nature, peace not war may be an aberration in human affairs. But since 1945, compared with what occurred in the first half of the 20th Century, we have had peace. That has been in part because one bedrock law has governed international affairs – we no longer permit or tolerate annexation by conquest. Let Israel, with US sanction, get away with it and soon you will get someone much worse crossing the same red line.

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      • Duker

         /  9th May 2019

        Thats clearly wrong . Conflict between major states yes, but for the rest of the world its ongoing. The US has been involved in conflict almost continuously since Korea.. some short ( Grenada!) others long (Iraq, Afghanistan)

        There was a long peace in Europe after Napoleon till the start of the ‘Prussian wars’ – 2x Denmark, 1x Austria, 1 X France and the Crimean war ( Britain France Sardinia, Ottoman against Russia and Greece)

        Valley of the Shadow of death

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        • Kimbo

           /  9th May 2019

          No, I gave the comparison with “first half of the 20th Century”, when the world fought two catastrophic wars costing tens of millions of lives within a short timespan, that were prompted by an intent to conquer and annex other countries. Hence, as you said, “Conflict between major states yes”.

          That’s my point. Conquest and annexation have been internationally outlawed, but as per artcroft’s…recommendation (I’m being kind), one nation is being a green light to flout those mutually-agreed rules of conduct.

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  4. Corky

     /  9th May 2019

    Whaleoil is is right and wrong on this issue. It has been reported in the NZ media, but as I mentioned at the time it’s how this news is being presented. The Palestinian death toll usually highlights women and babies killed. The devastating response of Israeli reprisals are always well covered.

    Nikki Haley had written some interesting comments.

    I personally believe it’s time for Israel to end this conflict in their favour. Hamas only agrees to cease fires so they can restock and plan their next attack.

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    • “it’s how this news is being presented”

      WO claimed no news had been presented by MSM.

      But it is not so much how the news is being presented, it is how the news is perceived by those leaning strongly to one side of a conflict. For WO and for you Corky it seems that unless news is presented to suit your own bias or agenda then it is not proper news.

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      • Corky

         /  9th May 2019

        Not true..how the news is presented is a fact. How it is perceived is admittedly subjective.
        The thing is, presentation of news is a great indicator of bias and Freudian slips.

        Do you remember when Israeli commando’s stormed a ship with protesters? And how Reuters was caught out doctoring pictures of protesters with weapons? And how a TV1 current affairs programme had to broadcast a second programme on this issue after many viewers protested about the biased slant of the first programme? The second programme had the Israeli ambassador on to give Israels side of the story. That was great viewing watching the presenter introduce the second rebuttal programme.

        At roughly the same time Jews also had to buy space in the Sunday Star Times to put their views across on certain topics covered by the papers pro Palestinian stance. The editor at the time was a wanker. He once ran an article on vaccinations. When I pointed out the mistakes in that article, he politely told me I was an anti-vaxx nutter. I replied that if he could show me where I was wrong, I would, without question, send him $100 for their Friday night piss-up. I’m still waiting.

        So, Pete, that’s why I have a jaundiced view of our media.

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        • Duker

           /  9th May 2019

          They werent doctored they were cropped as photos normally are.
          A Reuters spokesman told Haaretz: “Reuters is committed to an accurate and impartial reporting. All images that pass over our wire follow a strict editorial evaluation and selection process.

          “The images in question were made available in Istanbul in following normal editorial practice were prepared for dissemination which included cropping at the edges. When we realized that the dagger was inadvertently cropped from the images Reuters immediately moved to the original set as well.”
          https://www.haaretz.com/1.5130826

          A dagger at the edges! – your biased view calls that ‘doctoring’

          having a camera yourself doesnt make you an expert of how images are used in mass media, cropping is a major tool and used all the time. Its not photoshopping

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        • Corky

           /  9th May 2019

          From Dukers own link:

          ”Political commentator Tom Gross told Haaretz that “this isn’t the first time Reuters had been caught altering photos to make them less sympathetic to Israel. They did so, for example, in the 2006 Lebanon war.

          Everyone makes mistakes, including journalists, but every time Reuters says it makes a mistake, it does so to Israels detriment, and this looks suspiciously like a deliberate pattern.”

          This is not the first time that Reuters has been criticised for images that appear to be
          biased against Israel. During the Second Lebanon War in 2006, the news agency ADMITTED that one of its pictures of destruction caused by Israel’s bombing of Beirut had been altered with a computer graphics program.”

          Sounds like this organisation needs to proof read their articles before they go live.

          On the word ”doctoring.” I couldn’t for the life of me think of the correct word to use which was ‘cropping.” I knew this would be a key point with somebody. And so it was.

          However, given the previous history of this organisation which I didn’t know about, I think ”doctoring” is an excellent word to use. Reuters are just another bunch of ”Jew Haters”

          I guess we now know who is biased. Enough said.

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          • Duker

             /  9th May 2019

            You come up with another flimsy ‘altering’ story. It seems it was done by the photographer and Reuters just used it.
            “The altered version shows thick black smoke rising over buildings in Beirut following an Israel Defense Forces bombing on Saturday morning. The original photo shows a much thinner stream of smoke.”
            So photographer didnt invent the bombing of a dense city area but just made the ‘smoke blacker’

            Compared to the ongoing Zionist attempts at altering history , creating alternative facts , a bit of cropping is insignificant ( the dagger- while the Isreali commandoes were armed to the teeth)

            Long forgotten now but the Israeli instigated terrorist bombings inside Egypt were covered up at the time
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
            ‘Israel publicly denied any involvement in the incident for 51 years; however, the surviving agents were officially honored in 2005, being awarded certificates of appreciation by Israeli President Moshe Katsav’

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            • Kimbo

               /  9th May 2019

              Yep. Is part of a Likud-strategy to create international psychological fatigue so that Israel can consolidate and likely increase its illegal gains in the West Bank.

              Bottom-line: everyone in the Israel-Palestine conflict lies and/or embellishes the truth and/or demonises the other side. Hence Corky’s “Freudian slips” are more a Rorschach Test for his own prejudices.

            • Corky

               /  9th May 2019

              ”Compared to the ongoing Zionist attempts at altering history , creating alternative facts , a bit of cropping is insignificant ( the dagger- while the Israeli commandos were armed to the teeth)”

              ”Long forgotten now but the Israeli instigated terrorist bombings inside Egypt were covered up at the time.”

              That’s what I wanted. It eventually comes out in the wash.

              While I’m an avid supporter of Israel, I’m not an apologist for any atrocities they have committed. A while back I even provided Gezza with a link showing how some Israeli soldiers mistreat Palestinians on a daily basis.

              BTW..next time you scurry away to find some link to score a few quick points, it may pay to check them first.

              @Kimbo:

              Tell me, Kimbo, what would happen if Israel gave back all that land many say they have stolen?

              ”Bottom-line: everyone in the Israel-Palestine conflict lies and/or embellishes the truth and/or demonises the other side. Hence Corky’s “Freudian slips” are more a Rorschach Test for his own prejudices.”

              Hold on, Reuters isn’t in the conflict. They are an international news agency ( who, if Dukers link is correct, seem to have a problem with Jews). So, talking of prejudices…….?!

            • Kimbo

               /  9th May 2019

              @ Corky
              “…what would happen if Israel gave back all that land many say they have stolen?

              Seems like a non sequitur to my observation that everyone in the conflict is a liar. So if Reuter’s or any other media source reports what one of the protagonists is saying, exercise caution, including your own prejudices.

              But seeing as you are good at repeating Likud talking points, with the underlying implication negotiating for a genuine two-state solution is a waste of time so Israel should instead just plough ahead with her policy of annexation by stealth and increment via illegal West Bank settlements

              …Israel has previously negotiated a successful return of land taken in conquest. They did so with Egypt and the Sinai in 1978, and as a result they’ve both had over 40 years of unbroken peace.

              So what was your point again?

            • Corky

               /  9th May 2019

              Here we go. If you run out of an argument, start arguing inanities and formal debating rules that don’t apply to blogs because we wouldn’t have a blog at worst. At best, it would be as dry as Kitties sometimes vacuous comments.

              . ”So if Reuter’s or any other media source reports what one of the protagonists is saying, exercise caution, including your own prejudices”

              Really? Does that include cropping, photoshopping and proven journalist bias in one direction? Gets a little obvious doesn’t it? What caution needs to be exercised in the face of the obvious?

              ”But seeing as you are good at repeating Likud talking points.” I don’t know what Likud is. I have no interest in what they say. All my points are my own. If they think like me, good on them.

              So what was your point again?

              You tell me. You are writing my commentary. Interest you mention Egypt.
              Even they would rather deal with Israel than Palestine. That is really saying something..

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th May 2019

              Gratuitous insults again, dear, using words whose meanings you don’t know ? Oh dear.

              Kimbo, it’s waste of time trying to reason with Corky. He can’t bear it if people know more than he does, and as most people do despite his claim to be right 99% of the time. he resorts to personal abuse. You’d better tell him what a non sequitur is.

              He now claims to be pro-Israel, but is known to use the expression ‘Jewboy’, which is, of course, an insult akin to Kike and Yid.

            • Duker

               /  9th May 2019

              Well of course ANY news covering military matters from within Israel itself is suject to strict censorship….while Rueters has to be holier than ever even when minor errors happen, which they correct.
              Do you see a double standard?
              You of course never make an error and are infallible

            • Kimbo

               /  9th May 2019

              You tell me. You are writing my commentary. Interest you mention Egypt.
              Even they would rather deal with Israel than Palestine. That is really saying something..

              Hmm, you seem very quick to interrogate and demand answers of others…even when your questions fit in no logical way with prior discussions, and when, contrary to your rhetorical questions, you get an answer to the contrary that can be verified – you do know Israel and Egypt signed the Camp David peace agreement in 1978? Oh, that’s good because that previous (rhetorical) question, “what would happen if Israel gave back all that land many say they have stolen?” implied you didn’t. Or have you forgotten that key point? Thought not. Sorry, but dismissing it as “inanities” wont cut the mustard in big-person’s discussion.

              So now you want to switch discussion points again. I have no doubt you think they are your own. All the more reason for you to check the (Likud-inspired) source of your unrecognised and unacknowledged biases.

              Either way, internet etiquette indicates you don’t get the courtesy of unlimited answers to your attempts at bait-and-switch questions.

            • Corky

               /  10th May 2019

              ”You do know Israel and Egypt signed the Camp David peace agreement in 1978? Oh, that’s good because that previous (rhetorical) question, “what would happen if Israel gave back all that land many say they have stolen?” implied you didn’t. Or have you forgotten that key point? Thought not. Sorry, but dismissing it as “inanities” wont cut the mustard in big-person’s discussion.”

              An agreement not supported by the UN because it didn’t solve the Palestinian problem of autonomy and statehood. And it certainly doesn’t cover the situation of the supposed land grab by Israel since that accord was signed.

              And that’s what we were discussing,

              ”Either way, internet etiquette indicates you don’t get the courtesy of unlimited answers to your attempts at bait-and-switch questions.”

              Look,let me give you some advice. You are more suited to mulling over a topic using quotes, historical precedents and conjecture. Similar to the debates you had with folk regarding religion. That’s fine. You may have noticed my absence from such debates. I have moved on ( or try too) from that format, to using my own thoughts;extrapolations and predictions. I have nothing to offer you..only annoyance.

  5. Gezza

     /  9th May 2019

    I had a quick look at a couple of those news links. I didn’t see mention of Israeli deaths from the rocket attacks, but Al Jazeera reported 3 on Monday 6 May.

    In the Israeli city of Ashkelon, a 58-year-old Israeli man was killed after being struck by shrapnel from a rocket attack. Two other Israelis, critically wounded in a separate rocket attack on a factory on Sunday afternoon, later died.

    In their tv reporting they said four Israelis were killed, including one Israeli whose car (shown) was hit by one of Islamic Jihad’s rockets.

    I can’t remember how many rockets were reported as fired out of Gaza on the first night but think it was something like 300 & they weren’t being fired out of Gaza city but from out in open country. The Iron Dome system got many of them but could get them all.

    The blockade on Gaza is absolutely crippling. It now includes constant cuts to electricity & food & water & building & other supplies. There had been agreement by the Israelis in March to lift some of the most recent severe restrictions & it hasn’t happened.

    Meantime the Israelis have formally declared themselves to be an apartheid-like state, annexation of Palestinian territory in the West Bank continues, with Trump’s & US complete support for Israel’s blockade & retaliatory strikes.

    One Israeli missile brought down an entire multi-story building (shown happening). The Israelis also claim the pregnant Palestininan woman & her 14 year old daughter were killed by an Islamic Jihad rocket.

    I don’t trust any reporting from Israel or Palestinians to be entirely truthful. Constant propaganda from both sides, imo.

    Desperation seems to be driving these rocket attacks now. It pisses me off that Hamas/Islamic Jihad keep making their own civilians victims of Israeli retalition but the way things are going the whole situation seems intractable & hopeless for Palestinians. Their two state solution looks like it is not going to be offerered in Trump & Kushner’s “deal of the century”.

    Israeli tanks were massing on the border, seemingly gearing up for what looked like might become another ground invasion into Gaza, like 2014. Despite the current ceasefire there is some suspicion that may still be secretly on the cards.

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    • Gezza

       /  9th May 2019

      * Iron Dome COULDN’T get them all.

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    • Gezza

       /  9th May 2019

      I’ve read through more of PG’s news links in his post & I was incorrect. Some of them give pretty thorough coverage. The Monday 6 May TVNZ/AP article covers events well imo.

      I still think it’s a virtually intractable problem now. It seems to me that Hamas having control of Gaza & as far as I know still an aim to liberate all of Palestine including Israel (their statements on this conflict) makes any deal impossible.

      Their leader makes speeches to the Arab countries trying to shame & motivate them into ganging up on Israel, & seems to just assume his “how many more martyrs will we have to bury?” rhetoric will also work on other countries.

      It doesn’t. It turns them off & makes him & Hamas & Islamic Jihad look like Islamist fanatics intent on one day destroying Israel who don’t care about encouraging more of their own young people to martyr themselves.

      There just seems to be no one capable of communicating well with the West & working something out, & the more Israel massively retaliates the more support Hamas gets. Or at least, the less Gazans can see any other alternative.

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      • Duker

         /  9th May 2019

        That’s your basic mistake ..neither side wants the current situation resolved.
        Warfare is just politics using things other than words. Netanyahu needs Hamas.

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        • Gezza

           /  9th May 2019

          You think I don’t know that?

          It’s not a “mistake” on my part. The Palestine/Israel conflict is a decades-long, ongoing, never-ending bloody tragedy. A tragedy created by a post-WW2 colonialist-mentality United Nations which was stupid enough to sanction taking land off Palestinian Arabs, giving it to Jewish settlers & post-war refugees, & ultimately recognising a new state of Israel smack in the middle of what was then long-established Muslim/Arab lands for the last 1400 odd years.

          There have been historical atrocities by both sides but I don’t remember the original PLO resistance being so militantly Islamist as Gaza has now been effectively forced to become, nor their being so keen to encourage ordinary Palestinians to embark on a year-long suicidal provocative protest & get hundreds killed & thousands horrendously maimed in the inevitable IDF aggressive defensive responses to get precisly nowhere.

          It just makes me so farkin sad & angry at times like this that the world has ever since never been able to step in & put an end to the endless misery of that place. Who can possibly foresee any hope of a deal that will put an end to it, especially when one side persistently refuses to even countenance an Israeli state’s existence & the US persistently allows Israel to carry on land-grabbing.

          It was always a recipe for disaster, with hindsight. Even the original UN partition plan looks crazy.

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          • Gezza

             /  9th May 2019

            I sometimes find myself wondering what it would be like to find myself a Palestinian born in Gaza or the West Bank in the last 30 years & what an absolutely shitty life I’d have had.

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