Kiwibuild is a policy for a different type of government in a different time

And maybe for a different type of minister than Phil Twyford.

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  1. Duker

     /  12th May 2019

    Cooke says
    “But to think they will get away without some level of punishment would be a mistake. House prices might have slowed their rise or even fallen somewhat but they remain well out of reach for many young people. ”

    How allowed the house price levels to rise to that anyway – what rock has Cooke been hiding under for the last 10 years

    yes the State house program started in the late 1930s but later changed from building by Fletchers to building by Ministry of Works, they did the land development, they had the architects, they employed the carpenters, even the house painters when complete.

    Dont always trust “opinions’ of some guy whos world experience starts like this-
    I worked for Fairfax Media in a variety of roles while at university, after being hired in my last week of high school, part time during term time and full time during the holidays… I suppose its who who know this was only 2010

    Cooke is a well known family in Wellington high flyers ? Lord Cooke of Thorndon

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    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  12th May 2019

      Henry Cooke does not come from the Thorndon Cooke family.
      He’s a Newtown/Mt Cook Cooke.

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      • Kimbo

         /  12th May 2019

        Any relation of Captain James Cook of Whitby, Yorkshire and England? 😀

        Or the recently retired opening batsman and former England cricket captain, (now Sir) Alistair Cook…not to be confused with the “Letters from America”, Alistair Cooke?

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        • Maggy Wassilieff

           /  12th May 2019

          No.
          His parents were my classmates in W(h)anganui.

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    • Pink David

       /  12th May 2019

      “Cooke is a well known family in Wellington high flyers ? Lord Cooke of Thorndon”

      This looks a lot like a very lame attempt at a smear.

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  2. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  12th May 2019

    Yvette on Kiwiblog posted this gem today
    http://www.prefabnz.com/Projects/Detail/kiwibuild-updates

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  3. The Consultant

     /  12th May 2019

    Perfect timing to examine the old mythology of the First Labour Government’s housing programme, courtesy of former Treasury economist, Michael Riddell: Did state houses make much difference to housing supply?.

    Bottom line: the famous programme made no measurable difference in terms of the number of houses available / affordability as shown by long-term stats around population to dwellings ratio:

    … but all I really wanted to highlight was the strong downward trend over the 90 years from the mid 1880s to the mid 1970s. The only interruption to the trend was in the single inter-censal period from 1916 to 1921. It is more or less what one would expect, as people got wealthier, families got smaller (and, at least late in the period, divorce got more common).

    Had the state not been building, there isn’t much reason to suppose that – over time, and in the absence of building and land use restrictions – the private sector would not have done so. After all, they had done so in the decades prior to the state housebuilding programme (I was little surprised to see that even over the period encompassing the Great Depression – 1926 to 1936 – the population to dwellings ratio fell).

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    • Kimbo

       /  12th May 2019

      Makes sense. All throughout that same period (and now) the nasty capitalist market so hated by the likes of Blazer and others supplied food to the New Zealand populace via local grocery stores, and then from the 1960s on supermarkets without the First Labour or any New Zealand Government setting up a nationally-owned food retailer.

      Mind you, I’d better not say that too loud, or someone like Winston Peters or the Greens will start putting two and two together, starting with “food is a vital strategic asset!” 😳

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      • Duker

         /  12th May 2019

        Then why does Government run NZ on Air if the supermarkets are privately owned. Why do we have libraries when I can order books from Amazon.

        Why did the national government get Housing NZ to create new subdivisions in Hobsonville and Takanini where they supplied builders with sections to build new houses on, why didnt they create new supermarket sites as well ?

        But look at M Bovis outbreak , why is the government paying for a ‘dairy industry ‘ problem when supermarkets have a food problem they sort it out ?

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        • Kimbo

           /  12th May 2019

          I think the answer is that as economic decisions are made by fallible human beings, they are seldom entirely, much less primarily rational and/or empirically-based. Especially governments and those who elect them. Including where the correct line and nature of government intervention lies. As Gareth Morgan found to his financial cost. 😀

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          • Blazer

             /  12th May 2019

            IN think the answer is that you are very selective in your anecdotes and have been shot…down.

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          • Duker

             /  12th May 2019

            Yes the hoary old state supermarkets are next line….. Maybe if a week’s food for a family came to $800 plus that could be on the cards.
            But I see insurance companies getting out of high risk places like Wellington has home owners there worried…..would a State insurance be on the way after all that other state run insurance EQC only partly covers most homes.
            Happens in US too , Federal diaster insurance …a clear sign that Federal supermarkets are next……hehehehe

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            • Kimbo

               /  12th May 2019

              Yeah, but if we leave it to Phil Twyford, there will be no homes to insure…so maybe that solves the problem, albeit 8n a manner not intended. 😂

    • Duker

       /  12th May 2019

      Notice the flaw in that
      “…….state not been building, there isn’t much reason to suppose that – over time, and in the absence of building and land use restrictions – the private sector would not have done so”

      Reason to suppose….check
      Absence of building restrictions….check
      The private sector would …check

      A farragio of falsehoods of maybes.. could bes …might bes.
      Trust the consultant to run this twaddle
      The real problem was no bank finance mostly savings banks under the monetsry policy at the time…..even as late as the 80s the ASB required big deposits and only lent a multiple of your money on deposit. It’s wishful thinking that the current lending environment was always thus. The idea a lender could borrow offshore would have been laughed at

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th May 2019

        It’s quite unimaginable to the loony Left that humans ever managed to house and feed themselves before socialist governments were invented to do it for them.

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