Members of ‘digital and media expert group’ respond

Yesterday members of the ‘Digital and media expert group’ advising on social media regulation revealed.

There was some interaction on this on Twitter with two of the members, Nat Torkington and Lizzie Marvelly.

@MatthewHootonNZ:

What are its objectives? What is Its work programme? It looks to me like a sinister Labour move so censor dissent, like they did with the Electoral Finance Bill.

@LizzieMarvelly responded with information that the Prime Minister’s office withheld from Hooton’s OIA request – what the objectives of the group are:

It is an informal group of tech sector, legal and media folks that can provide feedback on request to help the Government to make sure its work in this area is effective and well-informed. This is an important kaupapa, particularly given what happened in Chrischurch.

To be clear, by ‘this area’, I mean social media policy proposals.

@MatthewHootonNZ:

There is no such thing as an “informal” group if it is set up by DPMC and the PM discusses it the day of its first meeting with the political editor of the NZ Herald.

Why haven’t you declared your involvement in it? How much have you been paid? What is the work programme? Has there been a second meeting?

At that point Marvelly disengaged from the discussion, but Torkington joined in.

@gnat (Torkington):

Oh hai, Lizzie. Is it normal for you to get this kind of pig-dog blind aggression? I’ve never encountered it before. It’s like being hassled by an uppity mall cop. “I know you think you’re a knight defender of Western democracy, but your cap gun and plastic badge fool nobody.”

Pig-dog blind aggression? Torkington’s lack of encountering what looks fairly reasonable questioning to me suggests that he is not much of an expert on social media, or politics. I wonder if he has ever watched Question Time in Parliament.

@AlisonMau:

It’s very normal, Nat. For Lizzie and lots of other women.

And men. While women like Marvelly are subject to some awful stuff, that’s not what happened here, so this is trying to swing the conversation to a different agenda.

Torkington:

I understood that intellectually, but this is my first time in the Flappy Asshole Blast Zone. And I know this is tame in comparison to threats of sexual violence, doxxing, families, professional fuckery, etc. that y’all get every day. You deserve a🏅for showing up every day!

Later in the day Marvelly got involved again.

If the expert advisory group had been announced and named by the Prime Minister, and it’s objectives revealed rather than kept secret, then this sideshow wouldn’t have happened.

There are benefits with being open and transparent, but the current Government seems intent on avoiding walking that talk.

 

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26 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  12th May 2019

    “Most open and transparent Government ”
    “Well, I actually believe it is possible to exist in politics without lying and by telling the truth,”
    PM Ardern two lies and counting.

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  2. Gezza

     /  12th May 2019

    Fark. Government has come to this. Stop the world. I wanna get off. 😐

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  12th May 2019

      Wait for me, don’t let it start again for a minute.

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  3. Duker

     /  12th May 2019

    Hooton and his ‘consultancy’ actually get paid for exactly this sort of pig dog full on frontal attacks….nay its his business point of difference from other ‘oil on troubled water’ PR consultants.

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    • Pink David

       /  12th May 2019

      “Hooton and his ‘consultancy’ actually get paid for exactly this sort of pig dog full on frontal attacks”

      Good for him. It looks like he has earned his money on this one.

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      • Duker

         /  12th May 2019

        yep , that style of attacks worked out well for Slater over the longer term….

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        • Pink David

           /  12th May 2019

          Where is the attack? Is publishing a list of names from this group an attack on them? Should they expect to be hidden from public view?

          Has Hooten lied?

          Does the reaction on Twitter from the respective members of this ‘informal group’ not raise the question as to their suitability and agenda’s?

          Doesn’t the fact Ardern met with this ‘secret’ group, then jetted off to Paris without any communication devices to lead the charge on reducing freedom of speech world wide, presumably armed with some of the ideas from this very group, not sound like something that needs to discussed in a bit more depth before the inevitable ‘Captains Call (TM)’?

          To me, Hooten seems to be doing exactly what we expect from the ‘media’.

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  4. NOEL

     /  12th May 2019

    Maybe it’s time to educate social media followers how fortunate to have the ability to express opinion on anything. Compared to the days when the only option was the print media if you got through the editor.

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    • Pink David

       /  12th May 2019

      “Compared to the days when the only option was the print media if you got through the editor.”

      Doesn’t that look like the goal of some of these people? To re-establish their hold on the
      ‘options’ and get it out of the hands of the unacceptable.

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  5. Pink David

     /  12th May 2019

    Marvelly’s last comment is really telling. She cry’s ‘targeted’, then claims it’s a sideshow, when it’s absolutely going to be a large part of her contribution to this ‘working group’.

    “It is an informal group of tech sector, legal and media folks that can provide feedback on request to help the Government to make sure its work in this area is effective and well-informed.”

    Looking at the Twitter contributions of various members of this group, I’m really not hopeful they will achieve this ‘effective and well-informed’ measure. It sounds much more like a group of mates with various agenda’s to push.

    BTW, where is the Captain in all of this? Where is this world class Leadership as her minion’s duke it out on Twitter with this ‘Pig-dog blind aggression’

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    • Duker

       /  12th May 2019

      Ardern is on her way to Paris….. wakey wakey

      Thats why Hooton and other former national government stooges like Ben Thomas, Hamish Price are getting in just ahead of the news cycle to disrupt the coverage

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      • Pink David

         /  12th May 2019

        You really are just a partisan hack aren’t you.

        It’s all about who’s stooges is who’s. A bunch of Labour party stooges vs a bunch of National party stooges.

        “Ardern is on her way to Paris….. wakey wakey”

        So? This has been rumbling for days, it doesn’t take that long to get to Paris.and there is this magical thing called the internet that allows you to communicate even from a long distance.

        If she really is completely out of contact, where is her delegated hitter in her absence? A world class leader would never just abandon her people to the wilds of Twitter unassisted would they?

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        • Duker

           /  12th May 2019

          So a high level meeting like this requires a lot of background work and talking to advisors, writing speeches etc- keeping up with Twitter in NZ and Hooton and former -out of job- national party spin doctors isnt high on the list.

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          • Pink David

             /  12th May 2019

            “keeping up with Twitter in NZ and Hooton and former -out of job- national party spin doctors isnt high on the list.”

            Well exactly. Hence, someone with this Leadership skill would have had this managed before it became an uncontrolled twitter thing. The OIA request was made weeks ago.

            Sloppy.

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  6. oldlaker

     /  12th May 2019

    Ardern seems to be showing her naivite and inexperience if she imagines she could set up such a group and then not tell the public what it does and why the particular members were chosen. I guess she just assumes that the Christchurch attacks give her a mandate to do as she pleases, which is far from true when it comes to limiting freedom of speech.

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    • Duker

       /  12th May 2019

      Wakey wakey
      NZ Herald (8 April 2019):..”and she met with a group of digital media experts in Auckland on Friday to learn more about the issue.”
      NZ Herald (6 April 2019):Ardern has put together a group of digital and media experts who met with her for the first time in Auckland yesterday to discuss what happened and may be a sounding board and think tank for future policy proposals

      So you ‘out of town and off the grid a month ago ‘ and didnt know what was public knowledge then?

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th May 2019

    Twits twittering. And a recommendation from Lance Wiggs is the final nail in the coffin.

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    • Pink David

       /  12th May 2019

      “Lance Wiggs”

      No idea who he is, but a ten second google reveals he gets quite triggered by pepe the frog (so 2015..). A real champion of people’s right of expression, his favorite expressions
      seems to be ‘Extremist account! Block and report!’

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  8. tre

     /  12th May 2019

    So Lizzy the attention seeker doesn’t want attention? Lizzy the opinion writer who attempts to shape opinion doesn’t like being question – it makes her feel ‘targeted’. Lizzy the Leftie doesn’t think she should be questioned – well there is a surprise as all ardent lefties are closet authoritarians dying to tell all and sundry what the should do and how they should do it…
    Labour’s slow roll out of the Leftie Police state continues….

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  9. David

     /  12th May 2019

    Ardern is picking off anyone who is called on to comment by the media or has a media platform and making them insiders. Clever politician.

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    • Pink David

       /  12th May 2019

      No surprise to see France lead this charge. All the ‘leadership’ in France is the product of the grande ecole’s, they cannot stand to see their grip on power being eroded.

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      • harryk

         /  13th May 2019

        ‘they cannot stand to see their grip on power being eroded’

        True, but incomplete. States want to reestablish control over a truth standard.

        Macron’s not leading, Singapore is. Here is, once more, a link civil libertarians everywhere should read – the ‘Protection from Online Falsehoods and Manipulation Bill’ April 2019.

        ‘An Act to prevent the electronic communication in Singapore of false statements of fact, to suppress support for and counteract the effects of such communication…’

        ‘A person must not do any act in or outside Singapore in order to communicate in Singapore a statement knowing or having reason to believe that … the communication of the statement in Singapore is likely to … Diminish public confidence in the performance of any duty or function of, or in the exercise of any power by, the Government, an Organ of State, a statutory board, or a part of the Government…’

        https://www.parliament.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/protection-from-online-falsehoods-and-manipulation-bill10-2019.pdf

        Ardern is using Christchurch as a pretext to head in a similar direction. If something resembling this Bill is enacted, I probably wouldn’t be able to write this.

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  10. Pink David

     /  12th May 2019

    This is a bit of fun, good to see Nat is open about what he thinks of Free Speech….perhaps explains his invite to this ‘informal group’.

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