UK Labour policy to trial Universal Basic Income if elected contrary to research

Labour (UK) is promising to Introduce trials of a Universal Basic Income, but recent research concludes: There is no evidence that the project can meet its goals while being economically viable at the same time.

Golriz Ghahraman responded:

Yes! Two things:

1) There’s enough longitudinal research around the world to prove UBI works. No need for a ‘trial’. Let’s just pick the most effective version and apply it.

2) UKGreens had this policy first, but nice to see the big parties following the Green movement
💚😊

The most effective version? I don’t know of anywhere that a country-wide UBI has been tried successfully.

From the Green Party Income Support Policy

Specific Policy Points

  • Work with other parties and the public to develop a proposal(s) for the introduction of a UBI and the changes needed to fund and implement it.
  • Set benefit amounts at a level sufficient for all basic needs of the individual/family.

I don’t know whether any work is being done with Labour towards introducing UBI.  I would be very surprised if the Greens are doing anything with NZ First on one.

Last week from Stuff:  Universal Basic Income is a failure, new report says

A new study on universal basic income (UBI) is challenging the central claim used to promote the scheme: that, if done right, it can help alleviate poverty.

Proponents of the basic income argue that it will help those below the poverty line pay for essentials like food, housing, and healthcare, according to the assessment by the New Economics Foundation (NEF) in the UK.

The NEF reviewed 16 real-life UBI trials to see whether a basic income can really bridge the inequality gap.

Its conclusion: There is no evidence that the project can meet its goals while being economically viable at the same time.

I wonder what Ghahraman’s “There’s enough longitudinal research around the world to prove UBI works” is based on.

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16 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  14th May 2019

    ‘research’…what conclusion would you like…today?

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  2. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  14th May 2019

    Finland trialed UBI for unemployed young folk.
    After 2 years, they discovered it didn’t provide a pathway into employment.
    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/universal-basic-income-policy-universal-credit

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    • Blazer

       /  14th May 2019

      maybe so…but it may have helped them with a dignified existence in the interim.

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      • Maggy Wassilieff

         /  14th May 2019

        Here’s 2 of them…they don’t seem too happy when the UBI ended.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  14th May 2019

          It’s a bit rough that the girl working fulltime can’t earn enough to live on; she was so happy to be working at last.

          I feel sorry for the journalist; how dispiriting to keep being turned down.

          I wonder what the Finnish ‘WINZ’ does ?

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      • Who said the recipients lived in dignity? Link evidence please or just a wild assumption. Cos I bet there were still recipients living in shitty circumstances through their own amazingly poor decisions.

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      • david in aus

         /  14th May 2019

        What is dignified about received money from others for doing nothing?
        A society should be about mutual obligations.

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        • Blazer

           /  14th May 2019

          ask AMI,AIG,JP Morgan,Citibank,Wells Fargo,Morgan Stanley,Goldman Sachs,

          .Rio Tinto got handed $30 mil for?

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          • david in aus

             /  14th May 2019

            Those institutions were rightly pilloried for the bailout, some of the shareholders should have been wiped out, like BearSterns and Lehman Bros.

            Rio Tinto and 30 million dollars- did taxpayers give them money for doing nothing?

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      • David

         /  14th May 2019

        Nothing beats the dignity of work

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        • Blazer

           /  14th May 2019

          nothing beats the security of…. money ..in a society that worships it and privatises it ,doling it out to the favoured.

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          • David

             /  14th May 2019

            Isnt that what you are arguing for with UBI ? A handout to the favoured in exchange for votes differs little from a handout to a favoured donor.
            I really dont think you help anyone by paying them to do nothing, you rob them of self esteem and self worth in effect its a cruel way of buying votes. Use resources to assist people into productive work not pay them to do nothing, help them move to where there is loads of well paying work.
            The UBI is a lazy way of government saying we dont give a fuck about your life, take the money shut up and give us your vote.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  14th May 2019

              It also breeds resentment in the person taking it by putting them under an obligation because it’s one-sided.

  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  14th May 2019

    If one gave everyone $500 a week (for argument’s sake) and assumed that 3,000,000 were getting it…..that’s $3,000,000 x 500 =1,500,000,000 a week (I may well be wrong, arithmetic is not my strong point)

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    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  14th May 2019

      You are right…
      and that would mean a bill of $78 billion each year.
      I wonder which money tree provides such bounty.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  14th May 2019

        If you find out, send me a cutting.

        I couldn’t use the calculator, as mine doesn’t go up high enough.

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