Christian party split from National?

There has been quite a bit of speculation that MP Alfred Ngaro is considering splitting from National and setting up a Conservative Christian party. He would possibly stand in the Botany electorate, a safe National seat currently held by the now independent Jamie Lee Ross.

There has been no strong denials, suggesting that it is an option being seriously considered, and not opposed by National who badly need partner parties

Ngaro would probably be a fairly moderate conservative, and a largely  uncontroversial MP, so would be well suited to this if it happens.

If Ngaro wins an electorate then the party wouldn’t need to reach the 5% threshold to get a few list MPs into Parliament with him.

I think this would be a positive move. There is an obvious constituency for Christian conservatives. In the  past Christian parties have got up to 4%, even with oddball leaders like Colin Craig. They should be able to be represented in Parliament.

I don’t see much chance of the New Conservative party getting anywhere near serious contention, so a new party is the obvious option to take.

I’d actually like to see more party splits. Under MMP the ideal set up is a large party with multiple small party options in governing arrangements. This avoids the tail wagging the dog type scenario (which is happening currently to an extent with NZ First), and ensures generally that majority will gets it’s way.

21 Comments

  1. Zedd

     /  18th May 2019

    IF the Natl party can actually get their heads around MMP.. they would realise that their whole agenda IS still in the FPP system.

    There were rumors that there could be a split between the Farmers & other Business MPs.. as they have in Aust. : Libs & Nats,

    It a bit weird that Ngaro is now trying to take over from ‘Crazy Colin’ with Conservative-Christians.. ‘good luck’ 😀

    Natl in recent poll : 41% ?

  2. Corky

     /  18th May 2019

    Excellent. New Zealand needs a strong Conservative voice to counter the endless stream of nihilism from the left. The question is: What would National entice the Christian Party with in order to have their support?

    • Patzcuaro

       /  18th May 2019

      Nihilism “the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless.”

      The “right” are more interested in power than moral principles, power at whatever cost amply on display in Washington at present.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th May 2019

        That’s arrant nonsense. The idea that only lefties have moral principles is absurd and so is the idea that the right are more interested in power than moral principles. What does that make all the people who vote National ? It’s an insult.

        You seem to forget that NZ is not part of the US and not a political clone.

        If you think that power is a ‘right’ thing, I suggest that you read a few books about Russia in the 20th century. Have you heard of Lenin, Stalin and the other philanthropists who rule it then ? Have you heard of C…escu (can’t spell it) in Rumania ?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  18th May 2019

          Ceausescu ?

        • david in aus

           /  18th May 2019

          There is a strain in Leftism which declines any moralism:’ there is no inherent good or evil’.

          The predominant ethical principles of the Left is the distribution of wealth. Having more wealth by whatever means: saving, more resourceful, etc, are the ‘sin’ and not having wealth or power are the virtue. What is interesting is the new movement of secular moralism. The problem is what is considered moral appears to change every decade.

          What corrupts them, and all people is that once in power they think they deserve to be there; they decide they need more resources (pay and perks) and stay in power.

    • Zedd

       /  18th May 2019

      are you actually thinking of VOTING in 2020 ?
      crazy C & the christian-right.. has a nice ring to it 😀 😀

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th May 2019

        We are not part of the US, and what they do is not identical to what we do, thank Heaven,

        Nihilism was also a political movement in Russia in about 1900. Oscar Wilde wrote a play “Vera (and ?) The Nihilists; it was not a great success.

        • Zedd

           /  18th May 2019

          true kitty..

          “Allahu akbar !” 🙂

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  18th May 2019

            I don’t know if it’s ever been revived.

    • Duker

       /  18th May 2019

      ” What would National entice the Christian Party with in order to have their support?”

      Dont be silly , they will ‘create’ an instant party with their MP as its leader. They have decided to do it this way otherwise people like Craig and other nut jobs will create/have created their own party.
      Christian partys in NZ are like weeds they keep popping up , much much better to ‘bake’ one with ingredients supplied by national ( $$)
      They will still do a blue green party but that will only be as a spoiler to bled away votes that might go to the Greens- vote reduction is a well established tactic. They seem to be doing it in Auckland mayoralty with Tamihere… guess whos head has now popped up.. Banks . As that was the main plan split the vote and have a ‘name’ come through the middle.

      • Corky

         /  18th May 2019

        What about the voters who vote for this new party? They may want concessions. And don’t forget Christian Labour supporters who may migrate to this new party. They won’t want to be a National add-on.

  3. Duker

     /  18th May 2019

    Interesting that Stringer has said back in the time of first MMP election in 1996, when he was working for the national party he was ‘seconded ‘ to help Graeme Lee a national MP and his christian party.
    Collusion !
    There is one problem with using Botany ( outside the advantage it has no current national MP) that area has seen massive population growth since last boundary changes after 2012 census.
    I doubt if the seat will even exist at next election ( but national is pushing to have upcoming redraw of boundaries cancelled – ridiculous as there is allowed to be 5% variation anyway and MMP irons out any quibbles about who is voting for whom across electorate boundaries)
    Botany runs from Coast next to Howick town right through to a part of Otara

    • Patzcuaro

       /  18th May 2019

      Using Ngaro in this way, is a neat way of defusing Ross at the next elevtion

  4. National won’t stand aside in Botany. JLR is too well known in the electorate to be allowed to a decent run at the seat, which is what he would have if National weren’t to field a candidate.