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18  May 2019

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33 Comments

  1. Patzcuaro

     /  18th May 2019
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    • lurcher1948

       /  18th May 2019

      Life under Nationals”christian” party.

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    • David

       /  18th May 2019

      Why not kill the rapist and not the baby, baby didnt do anything wrong.

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      • Gezza

         /  18th May 2019

        It’s a tricky one. The question you need to answer is what would you want to do if you were the rape victim who was pregnant. And the answer would have to be you really don’t know, because it’s a situation you will never ever have to deal with. Which I think is a pity. Because only then could you really have an opinion that counts.

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        • David

           /  18th May 2019

          I have no position at all on abortion except there should be a restriction on how many weeks unless its life or death. It wasnt an opinion really just an interesting observation quoting pro life Kelsey Grammer.
          The state Democrats in one state are legislating for no restrictions including 3rd trimester and then in the event of a live baby being born allowing it to die on the table which is abhorrent, the lawmaker literally when questioned said this out loud.
          I agree Gezza men really should have very little say on this matter unless intimately involved and then not the final say. This law in Alabama and Missouri is designed to be challenged in court in the hope they can get to the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v Wade.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  18th May 2019

            The baby is his as well. He has no rights over it in this question of life and death, but he will be financially responsible for it until it’s 18, even if he was tricked into making it by the mother saying that she was using contraception.

            No rights, just responsibility.

            If they don’t have rights, they shouldn’t have the legal responsibility for a child that they don’t want and may have been tricked into making.

            If he does something to kill the unborn baby, he can be charged. In the days of the death penalty, a man could be hanged for causing the death of an unborn child.

            A woman in NZ wanted a baby so looked for a man who would be, in effect, a sperm donor and began a relationship with him that he thought was a serious one. As soon as she knew she was pregnant, she broke the relationship off.

            He found out by chance that he was a father and was angry and distressed as many men would be.

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        • David

           /  18th May 2019

          Your comment made me think Gezza my mother got pregnant in 1967 when she was 17 and abortion wasnt really available so she adopted me out, I had a great childhood and like to think I make the world a better place…I would rather be here than in a medical waste bin.
          I have never met her but who knows if she was a rape victim or what the circumstances were but maybe I am entitled to have more of an opinion than I thought and maybe I care more about abortion than I thought.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  18th May 2019

            Good on you, David. Life has an infinite range of stories and outcomes. Best we leave its participants to make their own choices and throws of the dice because we can never know what the results will be.

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            • Gezza

               /  18th May 2019

              Yes. And that choice can be a raped woman’s decision to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

      • MaureenW

         /  18th May 2019

        What’s that saying? An apple never falls far from the tree.
        What are the chances for an illegitimate progeny of a rapist? Who is going to raise it – the mother/rape victim, or foster/adopted parents or the State? Better to let them go.

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        • David

           /  18th May 2019

          Thats almost eugenics. Brought up in a good environment they will be fine and what if its a girl.
          Raping someone is not a result of quirky DNA otherwise the offspring of vikings would still be marauding around the place.

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          • MaureenW

             /  18th May 2019

            I think the impregnated female gets to choose.
            For some reason I keep thinking of that Monty Python song “Every sperm is Sacred”. I think not.

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          • Blazer

             /  18th May 2019

            I can assure you the offspring of Vikings are certainly ‘marauding’ around the place!

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  18th May 2019

          I read an article about a woman who decided to keep the baby when she was raped. It was a difficult decision, but she decided that it wasn’t the child’s fault. She had never regretted it, although she said that there would be problems explaining to the little girl who her father was and so on. The daughter was well-adjusted and they were a happy family of two. What courage.

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          • MaureenW

             /  18th May 2019

            I’m sure there are some, perhaps even plenty of loved, well adjusted children who came into the world in this way. My point was that the mother should have the choice to proceed or terminate the pregnancy without interference.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  18th May 2019

              I really admired the courage of the woman who decided to keep the baby of an unknown rapist.

              But I do see it as an anomaly that the father has no rights in the matter of abortion but will be forced by law to provide for a child that he didn’t want to have and may not have known about. Men have to take women’s word for it that they are on the pill or whatever it is.

            • MaureenW

               /  18th May 2019

              Men need to take responsibility for their own encounters if they don’t want offspring – woman still entrap males by forgetting (apparently) to take the pill. I know of three such cases in my circle at the moment.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  18th May 2019

              It would be difficult to call the woman a liar if she says that she’s on the pill, has an IUD or something like that ! It would be like making a man who says that he’s had the snip wear a condom.

              The woman who used the man as an unwitting sperm donor couldn’t understand why he was angry and upset to find that he had a child. (it was in an article in Next) as she wasn’t going to go after him for child support. Not really the point, one imagines.

              In the old days if you wanted the man to marry you, you’d have sex and then announce that you were pregnant. After the wedding it would be oops, my mistake. This happened too, and was an oldie when Hardy wrote about in Jude the Obscure.

              Men could be forced to marry the girl if she said she was pregnant; I mean legally forced.

              In Brittany in past centuries, if the man persuaded all his mates to say that they’d all had sex with the girl, the judge was likely to charge them all and make them pay for the child’s keep. I don’t know if this meant that they all had to pay for a child each (so to speak) or divide it. But serve them right.

  2. Corky

     /  18th May 2019

    Another South Auckland shooting. Probably another registered gun owner going crazy. Those intereviewed around the area where the shooting happened, said the neigbourhood was declining, and some residents wanted to move.

    Just wait until cannibis is legalised..South Aucland will become a no-go zone for police, similar to some neigbourhoods in Europe.

    Meanwhile last night, another murder in the area.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th May 2019

      There have been no go areas in Europe since time immemorial. There were areas of London many centuries ago that no one would willingly go to unless they had to. Crime in c.18 England was rife. Footpads, highwaymen and ‘mohawks’ made travel dangerous. The famous book ‘ A Child of the Jago’ (1870) is based upon a real area where the police would only go in in pairs if they had to.

      People once used linkboys to light them home and avoid attacks, but some linkboys were in league with muggers as we now call them.

      Victorian men carried ‘life preservers’ (sticks with weighted ends) as well as sword sticks which had long thin blades inside; the handle could be undone and the sword attached pulled out. I know someone who has one.

      Do read some history.

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  3. Corky

     /  18th May 2019

    Some people just think they know it all. The first stick weapon I learnt to use was a walking stick.

    Sticks with a secret blade wouldn’t pass muster today, although they are mentioned in a historical sense, they have evolved into many different ” street weapons” today.

    Gangs Of New York, the movie, while inaccurate in some respects, is correct with the representation of the Five Points neighborhood.

    My weapon of choice is the Travel Wrench. It’s ready to work the body of anyone who foolish enough to pick on the innocent.

    Of course, this is 2020, and these no-go areas are made up of immigrants whom house people intent on destroying their host nation.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th May 2019

      The Travel Wrench is more or less a plastic knuckleduster. Good luck with ‘working’ a body with one of those.

      Using a walking stick as a weapon would be futile as it would be easy for someone to wrench it from you, and they are probably too light to do any real harm – unlike the ‘life-preservers’ whose heads were weighted with lead. Hardly in the same league as grandpa’s walking stick.

      You wouldn’t know that a swordstick was one. I recognised the one that the man I know has because I had seen them before in books and museums.

      Your last sentence makes no sense at all, apart from being racist generalising. It isn’t 2020 yet and won’t be for a long time. ‘Whom house people….’ is gibberish. Do you know the meaning of ‘whom’ ?

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  18th May 2019

    Of course, this is 2020, and these no-go areas are made up of immigrants whom house people intent on destroying their host nation
    .Im more scared of the feral uneducated white rightwing supremacists who rant on nearby blogs,the new immigrants are to busy driving urburs, and getting on with life
    .

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th May 2019

      Ditto. It’s not just on nearby blogs, alas.

      Corky relies for his information on discredited, biassed websites which disseminate falsehoods and distortions like the story of the Muslims wrecking a pub…when a video shows that the damage was done by the pub patrons. No story seems to be too ridiculous for him to believe it and repeat it.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  18th May 2019

    Im more interested why ACT in the name of free speech doesn’t care when righties want to rape or lynch GG from the Greens as she threatens their manhood or lack of,guns whatever. Get-AppXPackage *WindowsStore* -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register “$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml”},SEYMOUR IS NOTHING,nothing ACT is an EXPENSIVE JOKE AND HES A JOKE

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    • lurcher1948

       /  18th May 2019

      GO AWAY

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th May 2019

        He wasn’t saying that; I have read what he said. He was expressing concern at some of her extreme views and not even remotely endorsing the alleged hate speech that has allegedly been aimed at her. Remember that this is the first term list MP who claimed to be NZ’s Minister of Defence and lied about her involvement with genocide trials, among other things. I tend to be sceptical about what she says.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  18th May 2019

          Read YNZ More Questions About Golriz Ghahraman Claims.

          She has consistently lied about her background and being a refugee, (at one time she said that she wasn’t one) about her career, about her status in Parliament (she must have known that people would know that she wasn’t a Minister; what a ridiculous lie)

          She claims to have known nothing about the notorious man whom she defended and was seen snuggling up to. That is inherently improbable. No lawyer would know nothing about a client and in the circumstances (trials for genocide) it’s totally unbelievable that she wouldn’t know that he was one of those accused of this crime. She stated on her CV that she was one of the prosecutors* in Rwanda and Cambodia when she was on the defence team and then tried to talk her way out of it and the notorious photo.I can see no reason to have such a photo taken; if nothing else, it would look as if there was some collusion.

          She lied about being in a war zone in Iran, painting vivid pictures of the bombing and running into bomb shelters when the area that she seems to have actually come from was not in the war zone. Her parents quite openly left Iran with passports, unlike the picture she has given of their supposed escape.

          * she did change this when proof emerged that it was a lie

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  18th May 2019

    Im more interested why ACT in the name of free speech doesn’t care when righties want to rape or lynch GG from the Greens as she threatens their manhood or lack of,guns whatever.SEYMOUR IS NOTHING,nothing ACT is an EXPENSIVE JOKE AND HES A JOKE

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th May 2019

      He said nothing of the sort and ACT has invited her to go to the police if she sees saying that she’s a menace to freedom as threatening hate speech.

      What he said has been distorted by GG out of all proportion in her usual attention-seeking way. Even after the Chch massacres, her speech was all about her and the same old things that she’s said before; a few sentences about the murdered people and then all me, me, me. The woman is an egomaniac. Anyone who claims to be the first woman to be Minister of Defence when she is not the Minister and wouldn’t be the first woman to be it if she was is an obvious liar. She wants to restrict free speech in others, but not for people who hold her views.

      The photo of her grinning beside a man who incited genocide in Rwanda was very revealing. I would not hold it against her that she was on the defence team as a kind of legal aid lawyer, I do that she is cuddling up to him and smiling as if he was a film star.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th May 2019

        His comments were that tyrants had used suppression of speech (which is true) and that she probably didn’t understand what she was saying…hardly inciting racists to abuse her except in her own warped imagination.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  18th May 2019

    I love these words, PG Would you remember me?

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  18th May 2019

    Corky its scary….the Jews, Christian, Muslim,but watch those scary muslims

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