Accusations of bullying for posting about Slater

The ‘Whale Oil’ book about the attacks on Matthew Blomfield by Cameron Slater and others over many years was all over the news yesterday – online, in newspapers, on TV and radio.

I posted bout it here, and also posted a comment about it at Kiwiblog.

David Garrett dumped on me in a number of comments, before eventually admitting:

PG: Thank you, I was unaware of all this…and for the record I wasn’t playing dumb; I had never heard of this Matt Blomfield before this morning (my participation in social media is strictly limited to this blog).

So he jumped on me without knowing anything about the topic, informed only by Kiwiblog. Good grief. This sort of attack the messenger stuff is common at Kiwiblog (and on blogs and social media generally).

Tony Stuart joined the messenger attack with this comment:

Pete – have you ever stopped to consider that your own long-running campaign against Slater is in itself a form of bullying?

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

My Slater/WO posts have sometimes been questioned here as well.

I have often considered what to post about Slater and how often to post about him. I don’t do them often, usually when there is something in the news or the courts related to him or Whale Oil.

I find it quite ironic that Tony has suggested I may be bullying Slater, by posting about something prominent in the news, about a book that details arguably the worse case of online bullying in New Zealand history.

So is it bullying to post and comment about bullying?

Perhaps it depends on what your definition of bullying is. It seems to be like the ‘hate speech’ argument doing the rounds. It is claimed that labelling something as hate speech is a way of trying to shut down free speech. If you hate the misuse of ‘hate speech is it hate speech to talk about it?

I not that Tony was only critical of me for talking about Slater’s bullying, His only comment on Slater was:

Am I defending Slater? No. He made his bed, and now has to lie in it.

He seems to want the covers pulled up over Slater’s bed.

This is despite the fact that Slater has attacked and bullied extensively over the past decade. He often bragged about being a bully.

Slater used to relentlessly post about targets of his bullying.

Whale Oil still repeatedly attacks and criticises politicians and journalists – they include attacks on journalists in their ‘dictionary’, and also groups of people like Muslims, lefties, media.

Is it bullying to post about bullies and bullying?

This isn’t the first time Tony has attacked me for posting about Slater at Kiwiblog. Is he bullying me? He certainly seems to be trying to get me to shut up about Slater.

Tony, Whale Oil continues to criticise and attack (some may call that bullying). While Slater no longer posts or comments under his own name his obvious and input is obvious.

He has bullied hundreds of people, many of them to a serious degree – Blomfield is probably the worst example, as detailed in the ‘Whale Oil’ book, but that’s debatable. Slater has deliberately tried to destroy political careers. I think he is a proven liar – the court ruling he had no defence in the Blomfield defamation case supports this.

There are unresolved issues. Slater appears to unremorseful and unrepentant, despite the damage he has done to people’s lives.

He filed for bankruptcy, but Whale Oil continues (it shifted sideways onto a new web address), presumably the Whale Oil revenue continues. Slater promoted the Whale Meat business as his enterprise – that has also been shifted sideways and continues to advertise in Whale Oil. These are ongoing issues.

Tony seems to think that mentioning things like this is bullying. Perhaps he should try telling that to Blomfield and his family. To Len Brown. To Bill English. To Simon Bridges. To Jacinda Ardern. To Golriz Ghahraman (actually Tony tells things to Ghaharam a bit but I presume he doesn’t see that as bullying).

Slater got away with a mass of massive bullying for years, in part because people like Tony supported him, and continue to support him indirectly by trying to shut down any criticism of Slater.

This is how bullies keep getting away with bullying. People aid and abet, they make excuses, they play diversion.

If Tony thinks it is bullying to point things like this out then so be it.

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21 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  30th May 2019

    Tony hasn’t had to clean up the cockroaches’ dirt. His opinion. Is worthless.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  30th May 2019

      Apologies for the peculiar punctuation. Sometimes my phone has a mind of its own and I was in a hurry to go out.

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  2. Corky

     /  30th May 2019

    ”So he jumped on me without knowing anything about the topic, informed only by Kiwiblog.”

    At least you got an apology, Pete. I well know the feeling of ignoramuses posting on topics they know nothing about.

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    • Blazer

       /  30th May 2019

      but does it have to be a…daily habit?

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      • Corky

         /  30th May 2019

        Someone once told me the problem with dumb people is they truly don’t perceive they are dumb.

        I correct their ignorance.. but they continue to fill threads up with their dumbness.😃✔

        As a teacher, I don’t have time to strike..unlike your union buddies, Blazer.

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        • Blazer

           /  30th May 2019

          you must be…self taught.

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        • Griff.

           /  30th May 2019

          In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability.
          Dunning–Kruger effect – Wikipedia

          This was a comment I was going to place in yesterdays open thread.
          I will leave it here .
          Corky
          if you go to any reputable self defense class,

          Griff
          Not so.

          Corky
          You are probably right, although there may be exceptions. Of course, the law of the street and survival( not your middleclass fantasy)

          Griff.
          ROFL pigeon chess.
          The law of your bedsit behind the closed curtains is not the real world Corky.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  30th May 2019

      Corky is an excellent example of those who don’t know what they don’t know and abuse anyone who challenges their ignorant assertions.

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  3. Ray

     /  30th May 2019

    I was really surprised to see David Garret jump on your Kiwiblog comment, I don’t normally read the comments there but I guess if we take his last comment an apology that helps.
    You were not just bullied by these clowns the evidence shows you were monstered!
    The fact that they were able to use the law and Courts to seriously mess with your life really worries me. It seems that Customs may have been used to hassle Bloomfield in a similar way as recently as last month!
    Finally it is a classic response from a bully to claim victim status if anybody tries to change their behaviour

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    • Slater, Nottingham, Spring all claim to be victims, and they are individually and especially collectively by far the worst online bullies I have seen. They have a habit of accusing others of what they are and do.

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      • Duker

         /  30th May 2019

        No way are you ‘cyber bullying’ Slater

        Net safe says this IS what cyber bullying looks like – its not all of them.

        Tries to get someone to hurt themselves
        Shares intimate images without consent (shared nudes, sometimes called “revenge porn”)
        Encourages other people to send harmful messages to someone
        Most people would think is very offensive
        Shares someone’s sensitive private information without their permission
        Makes a false allegation about someone
        Shares confidential information about someone without their permission
        Puts someone down because of their colour, race, ethnic or national origins, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability
        Is indecent or obscene
        Threatens to hurt someone or damage their property

        yet as you correctly state its Slater who has made his career using these features ( excluding the ones that are used by people were closely involved)

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  30th May 2019

      Good for David Garrett admitting that he was wrong; not many people are willing to do that.

      Reply
  4. duperez

     /  30th May 2019

    Tony Stuart, “… have you ever stopped to consider that your own long-running campaign against Slater is in itself a form of bullying?”

    Tony Stuart: Do you consider that victims of long-running campaigns of bullying and those observing long-running campaigns of bullying should not respond and defend themselves and others against it in case that defence is characterised as a form of bullying? Should a long-running campaign of bullying only get a short-running campaign of defence?

    Slater craved attention, wanted the spotlight. Denying him that would surely be bullying.

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    • Loki

       /  30th May 2019

      Right then.
      My partner flew over yesterday and brought me a copy of the book.
      And I have spent the time since ignoring her and reading it twice.
      This goes far beyond internet bullying.
      This superbly written book clearly lays out the near decade long campaign of hate, lies and threats that the Blomfields were subjected to.
      I am astonished at the complete failure by the police.
      None of Slaters associates (I hope) on the politics side of life had any idea how bad the behaviour was.
      We sat back and laughed as he destroyed many lives.
      It was sport.
      I am deeply embarrassed to have ever known Cameron Slater.
      His cowardice is immense, the viciousness of the other conspirators is breathtaking.
      There are police who should be fired, the judiciary needs a public inquiry and Slater should be jailed.
      Keeping Stock/ Tony.
      Go and buy the book, read it, then call me.
      We all have much to be sorry about and the Blomfields deserve apologies and a government payout that would make the Bain payout pale.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  30th May 2019

        Is your partner’s name Sigyn ?

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        • Loki

           /  30th May 2019

          Haha.. Well done. But. NO
          My partner knows very little about my previous life. She has zero interest in Politics.
          This has been a very good thing for me.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  31st May 2019

            😀

            I was amazed to find myself becoming fascinated by politics and I really miss that.

            Reply

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