Census 2018 – religious affiliation diversity

The 2018 census data on religion shows a very diverse range of beliefs across about half the population, with the other half of those prepared to state a religion saying ‘No religion’ :

  • No religion 47.8%
  • Christianity (many variants) 36.7%
  • Hinduism 2.6%
  • Maori religion 1.3%
  • Islam 1.3%
  • Buddhism 1.1%
  • New Age etc 0.4%
  • Judaism 0.1%
  • Other 1.9%
  • Object to stating 6.6%

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Chart source: Nick Thompson @sutfor

Religious affiliation Census usually resident population count
No Religion 2,264,601
ACTS Churches 5,460
Adventist nec 54
Adventist nfd 378
Agnosticism 6,516
Ahmadiyya Muslim 369
Anglican 314,913
Animist 273
Arise Church 1,641
Arya Samaj 36
Assemblies of God 14,883
Associated Churches of Christ 1,176
Assyrian Orthodox 327
Atheism 7,068
Baha’i 2,925
Baptist nec 12
Baptist nfd 35,967
Bible Baptist 846
Born Again 33,486
Brethren nec 147
Brethren nfd 1,551
Buddhism nec 51
Buddhism nfd 44,355
Cao Dai 6
Catholicism nec 1,086
Catholicism nfd 173,016
Chaldean Catholic 534
Chinese Christian 6,660
Chinese Presbyterian 327
Chinese Religions nec 18
Chinese Religions nfd 276
Christadelphian 1,758
Christian and Missionary Alliance 2,094
Christian Fellowship 18,042
Christian nec 642
Christian nfd 307,926
Christian Outreach 1,554
Christian Revival Crusade 576
Christian Science 639
Church of Christ nfd 1,302
Church of God 1,458
Church of Scientology 321
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster 4,248
City Impact Church 441
Commonwealth Covenant Church 3
Confucianism 99
Congregational 3,513
Conservative Judaism 327
Cook Island Congregational 1,698
Coptic Orthodox 546
Deism 150
Destiny Church 1,722
Druid 189
Ecumenical 69
Elim 3,018
Equippers Church 705
Evangelical 4,554
Falun Gong 105
Full Gospel 1,017
Fundamentalist 87
Greek Orthodox 3,162
Hare Krishna 645
Hinduism nec 882
Hinduism nfd 121,644
Humanism 663
Independent Baptist 1,218
Independent Evangelical Churches 750
Independent Pentecostal 954
Islam nec 36
Islam nfd 57,276
Jainism 612
Japanese Religion nec 18
Japanese Religion nfd 33
Jedi 20,409
Jehovah’s Witnesses 20,061
Jesus Follower 1,575
Judaism nfd 3,348
Korean Christian 3,543
Korean Presbyterian 2,820
Latter-day Saints 54,123
Liberal Catholic 2,115
Libertarianism 9
Lutheran 3,585
Mahayana Buddhism 1,026
Mahikari 138
Maoism 6
Māori Religions, Beliefs and Philosophies nec 1,584
Māori Religions, Beliefs and Philosophies nfd 3,699
Maronite Catholic 96
Marxism 12
Melkite Catholic 33
Methodist nec 3,657
Methodist nfd 52,734
Metropolitan Community Church 63
Nature and Earth Based Religions nec 648
Nature and Earth Based Religions nfd 807
Nazarene 564
New Age nfd 363
New Life 3,132
Nichiren Buddhism 768
Open Brethren 5,640
Orthodox Judaism 792
Orthodox nec 1,440
Orthodox nfd 4,503
Other Church of Christ and Churches of Christ nec 780
Other New Age Religions nec 1,311
Other Religions, Beliefs and Philosophies nec 297
Other Religions, Beliefs and Philosophies nfd 1,434
Pagan 2,730
Paimarire 1,194
Pantheist 453
Pentecostal nec 1,911
Pentecostal nfd 22,296
Plymouth or Exclusive Brethren 6,822
Presbyterian 221,199
Protestant nfd 8,544
Rastafarianism 1,707
Ratana 43,821
Rationalism 9
Reformed 5,418
Reformed Baptist 987
Reformed Judaism 807
Religious Society of Friends (Quaker) 954
Revival Centres 180
Ringatū 12,336
Roman Catholic 295,743
Russian Orthodox 2,952
Salvation Army 7,929
Samoan Congregational 7,932
Satanism 1,149
Serbian Orthodox 936
Seventh Day Adventist 17,799
Shi’a 651
Shinto 387
Sikhism 40,908
Socialism 15
Spiritualist 8,262
Sufi 162
Sunni 2,961
Syro-Malabar Catholic 483
Taoism 1,098
Tenrikyo 12
Theism 2,607
Theravada Buddhism 4,851
Tongan Methodist 11,169
Ukrainian Catholic 39
Unification Church (Moonist) 93
Unitarian 354
United Pentecostal 690
Uniting/Union Church 3,624
Vajrayana Buddhism 327
Vineyard Christian Fellowship 3,399
Wesleyan Methodist 4,623
Wiccan 1,482
Worldwide Church of God 279
Yoga 327
Zen Buddhism 1,401
Zoroastrian 1,068
Object to answering 312,795
Total people stated 4,699,755

nfd=not further defined

Stats NZ
https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/2018-census-totals-by-topic-national-highlights

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54 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  24th September 2019

    Islam is shooting ahead of many well established religions in New Zealand. The 2013 census according to Google had their numbers 46,000. That number now is 57,000. Like compound interest that number will now start to skyrocket

    Better news is only 15 people recorded their religion as ‘Socialism.’ Proof positive this latest census ain’t worth squat.

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    • I see no reason why any of these numbers will do anything like skyrocket. Even the number of alarmists and chickenlickenists and are likely to remain small.

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      • Corky

         /  24th September 2019

        ”Even the number of alarmists and chickenlickenists and are likely to remain small.”

        Unfortunately, no. Their numbers are in serious decline. I think I’m the the last one left on this blog. It’s a brave new world….until it isn’t.

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      • Gezza

         /  24th September 2019

        I think we’ll see exponential growth in the number of Muslims. I may be wrong about this, but I think it’s a harder religion to leave than Christianity, & the Islamic communities here seem to be Islamic-multi-demoninational and provide the faithful with a lot of community support & now, after that murdering Tarrant ‘s rampage, perhaps emotional security & protection.

        I am interested to see if immigation by Muslims is increasing after the massacre because of the way NZ & the PM portrayed the religion as welcome here.

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        • Corky

           /  24th September 2019

          ”I am interested to see if immigration by Muslims is increasing after the massacre because of the way NZ & the PM portrayed the religion as welcome here.”

          Very good question: To hazard a guess I would say Muslims who are being persecuted would make a beeline for NZ. I also believe those who want payback for Tarrants abhorrent crime will also want to come here to be matrys. It’s inconceivable to me it could be otherwise.

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          • Gezza

             /  24th September 2019

            I also believe those who want payback for Tarrants abhorrent crime will also want to come here to be matrys. It’s inconceivable to me it could be otherwise.

            I personally don’t think we’re at ongoing high risk of that, although clearly, tho it was never said out loud by them, the very visible armed police presence at this year’s Anzac ceremonies was the clear evidence our security & police departments consider the risk of a retaliatory attack is/was significantly increased.

            The news media & PM’s fixation on the miniscule number of potentially dangerous racist / anti-Muslim fwits is, I think, foolish & risky. All it does is inflate the size of the threat & maybe convey the impression there’s a large anti-Muslim movement here.

            There’s not. Most people I encounter don’t have a clue what the religion is about, nor very much knowledge of what’s going on in countries where Islamic terrorists have cime from.

            Tarrant was a one off, & he was a fkn Aussie asshole, not a Kiwi asshole.

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  2. PartisanZ

     /  24th September 2019

    Great to see Destiny Church is, in reality, a truly minuscule fringe minority, with about 1,000 less adherents than Paganism!

    Phew!

    Now to somehow ensure they only get their just deserts of publicity … Bit like Don Brash and ‘The Right Brigade’ ….

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    • Corky

       /  24th September 2019

      You can’t leave the politics alone, can you, Parti. Talking of politics, I see Trump has given Jacinda a reality check. He knows she’s a flake. However, he respects true mates through good and bad. That’s why the Aussies got the red carpet treatment.

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    • Corky

       /  24th September 2019

      ps- I think the DC numbers are a little higher than that. Remember, many members wouldn’t have filled out their census forms.

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      • Gezza

         /  24th September 2019

        How do you know rhat, & why would they not?

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        • Gezza

           /  24th September 2019

          *that

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        • Corky

           /  24th September 2019

          Educated guess. Many are poor and have limited education. A solid proportion are ex gang bangers. They don’t fill out forms for ‘whitey’ unless they are made to. Even finding God doesn’t seem to change that attitude.

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          • Gezza

             /  24th September 2019

            My educated guess is that The Bish would encourage them to complete the forms to show how strong & numerous the Christian Community is.

            I have referred both of our guesses to Sir Alan for assessment & decision, as a neutral arbiter who probably doesn’t give a rat’s derriere. Hopefully the results will be published here later.

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            • Corky

               /  24th September 2019

              Did you see that tormented drama queen brat speaking at the UN? What has the world come to when world leaders listen to this idiot. One things for sure, people sitting on the fence may be turned off joining the climate cult after seeing that performance. Someone with guts needs to tell her to STFU!.

              https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/trump-responds-environmental-activist-greta-thunberg-after-passionate-climate-change-speech-un?auto=0

            • Gezza

               /  24th September 2019

              Yes. Saw her on 1news.

              “Jesus! Corky, Al & Pinky & acfew others will do their blocks if they see that !”, I thought.

              She was a bit extreme. There aren’t too many schoolgirls one wants making government fiscal, economic, social & environmental policies. She’ll backfire on the wankers who’re exploiting her self-irighteousness, if they continue to push this child out to front their campaigns & expect us to hang on her every utterance. She put me right off with that drama.

              Should be set up for life, job-wise though. Got given a professional crew to sail her across the Atlantic in an eco-super-yacht. The fawning msm made it sound like she was running the operation. Nothing like exploiting celebrity to the max when people will fall over themselves to make you one!

            • Corky

               /  24th September 2019

              You weren’t wrong. My body was so tense with anger I had to take a magnesium and potassium capsule..then attach my cannula and spark the Browns Gas machine for a ‘session.’

              I think I need to reevaluate what I watch on One News.

            • Gezza

               /  24th September 2019

              I shudder my way thru it on weekends, when Melissa Stokes shrieks her wsy through the whole bulletin.

            • Gerrit

               /  25th September 2019

              Little Drama Queen. I like that description. Re her “eco” yacht journey.

              She sailed across on a carbon fibre yacht, with a carbon fibre mast, carbon fibre rigging and carbon fibre reinforced sails. Carbon fibre is made from polyacrylonitrile (nylon) which is fossil fuel based.

              She is also flying back home. To return the yacht back to England, 5 sailors have to fly to the USA first. Nothing “eco” about that journey except wind power for a one way trip that would have had a smaller carbon footprint if she had simply flown with 300 others on a commercial airliner..

              Virtue signalling BS on behalf of an Al Gore clone. Puppet on a string that young girl.

            • Gezza

               /  25th September 2019

              Damn. I didn’t like her much to begin with. Too young, silly, & selfie-star-struck to know what a hypocrite she is. Now I’ve gone right off her ! 😡

            • Gezza

               /  25th September 2019

              A bit disappointed Sir Alan didn’t turn up to mark Corky’s & my educated guess papers on whether Destiny Church members would have completed the census. Pretty sure mine would’ve scored an A for logic.

              Slack, Al. Slack.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th September 2019

            For once Corks and I are in agreement over this bratty little drama queen. Her rude and hectoring manner is a total turnoff. Her puffed-out pouting face when Trump et al went straight past made her look very childish. I find her bossy accusations really annoying; other people care about the environment too, dear.

            With any luck, the little madame will alienate people with her hysterical tantrums and arrogance.I muted the sound as I saw no point in listening to her bad-mannered ranting.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th September 2019

              Her shrill screeching is bound to turn people off eventually, as will her arrogant accusations that make it sound as if the world’s adults are deliberately ruining the environment for their own selfish pleasure. She’ll be fish and chip paper soon, I hope.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  24th September 2019

          I’d be surprised if many Destiny members are former gang bangers; this means a rapist or someone who joins in when a woman is ‘on the block’ for sex with all comers.

          Nor can I believe that many people in NZ use the word ‘whitey’ or would refuse to fill out a census for the reasons given. It’s more likely that they’d want everyone to know how many of them there are. Nor are they likely to want to be seen as a group of law breakers; the census is a legal requirement.

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          • Gezza

             /  24th September 2019

            Just on that point about “gang bangers”, yes, in NZ it has had the meaning you describe. But I believe gang banger is also a US slang term for a member of one of their many ethnic street gangs & has come to have that meaning here now as well.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th September 2019

              We don’t live in the US and I suspect that for many people here it still has the disgusting meaning that I gave. People here don’t usually talk about Whitey, either. Corky watches too much American television.

            • Gezza

               /  24th September 2019

              Whoops. Hit by the Random WordPress Wilkinson Effect. Reply went below.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  25th September 2019

              Little Miss Smugface should have crossed the ocean on a canoe made from a sustainable log and not one made of fossil fuels. She doesn’t have many qualms about using modern technology; what does she think that computers are made of ?

  3. Gezza

     /  24th September 2019

    Tbh, watching even Brit, Oz & Nz television these days I suspect, still lowers the IQ. TV fare on Freeview is outdated, boring, umpteenth-time-repeats, or just downright low-brow dross I rarely watch any Freeview channels now, except Aljazeera English.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  25th September 2019

    Why on earth did we need to know this? Another stupid census question asking millions of people to answer what could have been obtained to sufficient accuracy by the curious via a standard poll of 1000 people.

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    • Gezza

       /  25th September 2019

      Don’t be daft Al. What’s the likelihood a standard poll of 1000 people would identify all those religions identified? I finf that info of some interest. Stop whingeing.

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  25th September 2019

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/disaster-brian-tamaki-eviscerates-ludicrous-laughable-census/ar-AAHKPLb?ocid=sf

    This is brilliant though isn’t it … ” … puts it [Destiny] below both The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (4248 believers) and Jedi (20,409 believers)”???

    And this is beyond brilliant … “But Tamaki is not to be mocked and he’s refusing to turn the other cheek.”!!!

    How the f*ck did that get past a copy-editor or sub-editor? Palmer simultaneously mocks … and double-mocks! Pointing out the complete and absurd hypocrisy of it.

    I guess writers are self-editing nowadays huh? Assuming there’s in fact anyone there? Much of what passes for journalism today [aka ‘media releases’] could be written by the Algorithms for all we know!?

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    • Gezza

       /  25th September 2019

      Tamaki says that at no point did the Census tell Destiny Church members that they could put Destiny down as a religion.

      “Most of us, including myself, will have put down Christian or Pentecostal. Even I wasn’t counted in the 2018 Census as a Destiny Church member!” Tamaki said in a statement on Tuesday.

      Oh dear. Mind you, he does have a point, I suppose. Still … never mind. 😐

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      • PartisanZ

         /  26th September 2019

        No … He does not “have a point” at all!

        Come now Gezza … Do you mean to tell me your average Anglican, Catholic, Methodist, Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Jedi follower had to be “told” they could put down their chosen ‘religion’ on the Census form!?

        Destiny Church members are supposed to be very devout! By their own admission too! Devout enough to allow themselves to be tithed FFS!

        Even if it was a ‘tick-box’ question with all those multitudinous choices (I can’t remember) there’s always a space called ‘Other’ where you can write whatever you want.

        Hence, regrettably, the only possible conclusion is that Destiny Church members are mostly too dumb to “understand the question” … 😂 … including their leader!!! 🤣🙃😉😆

        This story just gets better … and better …!!!

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        • Gezza

           /  26th September 2019

          No … He does not “have a point” at all!

          Yes, he DOES have a point. The fact that some adherents put down the soecific sect they belonged to and others didn’t suggests that the instructions were vague or imprecise & means, clearly, that the poor bastard feels hard done by as his flock numbers will be incorrectly indicated.

          Hence, regrettably, the only possible conclusion is that Destiny Church members are mostly too dumb to “understand the question” … 😂 … including their leader!!! 🤣🙃😉😆

          Given that this was a census & is supposed to be pretty precise, your “only possible conclusion” is in fact NOT the only possible conclusion. Another, equally likely conclusion is that the Stats people who designed (& approved) the question(s) are too dumb to make the instructions precise & thus their data is vague.

          This story just gets better … and better …!!!

          Well, it did make me grin, must admit, but I wasn’t planning to dwell on it untl you required some re-tuning.

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    • Corky

       /  26th September 2019

      Can I ask in all seriousness, Parti … what is it you find offensive about religion? I have noticed time and again, people who are anti-religion; who don’t believe in God, behave with missionary zeal when espousing their views. I have also noticed people with religious faith seem to psychologically come out of bad situation better than non believers who have nothing to fall back on except rational thought. We continually hear of the problems religion brings..but never the good things and serenity many believers derive from their faith.

      Naturally I leave Islam out of this.

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      • MaureenW

         /  26th September 2019

        @ Corky I have noticed time and again, people who are anti-religion; who don’t believe in God, behave with missionary zeal when espousing their views.

        Not correct, only those who loathe religion with missionary zeal write about it on blogs, others just don’t care, don’t mention it, don’t write about it, it has no rating in their (my) live(s).

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        • Corky

           /  26th September 2019

          ”Not correct, only those who loathe religion with missionary zeal write about it on blogs, others just don’t care, don’t mention it, don’t write about it, it has no rating in their (my) live(s).”

          To a degree, that’s my point in reverse. Most Christians I know; in fact all Christians I know, don’t discuss their religion and aren’t interested in trying to convert people.

          However, it seems the anti religious brigade are far more organised: media, Skeptic Society, Atheists,Humanists, feminists etc. I can understand their angst when religion is forced on them, eg religious instruction at school( I disliked that intensely), but they seem to make it their lifes mission to continually carp on about God not existing when few Christians and others for that matter care little for what skeptics think and say. The secular version of a fundamentalist nutter so to speak.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th September 2019

            Hmm. Think I’ll let this one go. But I’m watching you now …

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            • Gezza

               /  26th September 2019

              You actually make some good observations there, Corky. I’m reminded of a niece of ma’s best friend. She’s a Catholic, although a very Christian-oriented one. She loves to help people & expects nothing in return: she believes she is following Jesus’s example & teachings.

              65, Divorced, in good health, her eldest son committed suicide, she’s sold her home, money in the bank, stays with family or friends who offer her somewhere to put her head for a while, she even ran me into hospital for my jaw surgery & picked me up the following day because she’s become friends with ma & ma couldn’t drive me.

              She visits ma, who’s often housebound these days, & phones her every week or so as well to see how ma’s doing, just out of the goodness of her heart.

              She firmly believes that actually God talks to her, but doesn’t shove her religion down your throat unless you challenge or question it (eg over predatory priests, & celibacy). Not long ago she told me that God made me a good person so I would look after ma.

              But she never gets depressed & she never worries. Whenever something bad happens, it’s all just part of God’s plan for her, & there’s a greater good or a lesdon in it for her. Whenever someone takes pity on her, (eg offers her a place to stay after someone lse has told her it might be time to move out because their house is a bit crowded with her there), God did that, he made it happen.

              God always provides, she says. Believing this makes her a happy person & someone who is generally pleasant to be around and always willing to help someone in need.

              I’ve met many Christians of various demoninations who are just like her, & I’ve met two Muslims who are the same.

      • PartisanZ

         /  26th September 2019

        Corky … What do I find offensive about religion?

        I find cults and sects offensive, which means I find Churches offensive – as opposed to church buildings, which I mostly find quaint and repugnant … and I find church doctrines inimical to life offensive …

        But I’m not anti-religion, in the sense of “belief in divinity” or “veneration”. There’s a life energy which animates the universe every bit miraculous or ‘divine’ and worthy of veneration, even adoration.

        Having theoretically dispensed with the [craven] image (or so our Churches like to tell themselves), the next stage of spiritual development for Mankind is to renounce the word.

        “The religion of the future will be reverential and humble meditation without images and without language, on the wonder of existence” – Frank E Warner, ‘Future of Man’ (London 1944), and this is evidenced by the growth of such meditation practices like Vipassana and many others.

        Many are not even ‘religions’ in the cult/sect and organizational sense, but more spiritual practices. They don’t require ‘adherence’ like the old faiths.

        “And it [the religion of the future] will be purer and more sublime than anything which the religions of the images and of the words, of dogmas and rites, have [ever] given to Mankind”

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        • Corky

           /  26th September 2019

          Fair enough. A well considered answer. And you are right. Religion as practised today is for infant classes. Most of us are infants in spiritual progress at the moment. Such
          mainstream support religions will ultimately drop away.
          Unfortunately man faces a conundrum with his progress – he either believes in blind unproven dogma, or he believes in materialism, and what is only before his eyes.
          I’m always fascinated by how people tackle this problem, given most don’t perceive they have a problem from the spiritual perspective. They believe it’s a simple matter of what they believe ..and what they don’t believe, regardless of faith or scientific underpinnings.

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  6. Gezza

     /  26th September 2019

    It depends what you mean by “spiritual”, which is one of those words people throw around without defining it precisely & covers a whole gamut of concepts often peculiar to individuals or tribes. For me, there are things about the world & the universe, & life creatures which I don’t understand. So I like to experiment with my own & others’ notions & see what the results are.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  26th September 2019

      One of those words like “religion”? Or “religious”?

      I suppose experimenting with notions all of one’s life is one way to go …

      I discovered the “notion” of Natural Ethics, which dictates our relationship to the Universe (and hence the Life Energy which animates it) be one of Reverence, Humility, Courage and Love.

      [One can see how easy it might be to think “The Life Energy WHO animates the universe”, and then try to give it, the nameless, a name, like God … and a gender, identity, image and words?]

      “If all life is sacred (holy) and has an equal right to development, love requires an order by which the development of each and every one is possible … Order, however, can only be provided by a principle that promotes life, not one which kills it. Hate and struggle are no more serviceable as principles of life as collision is as a principle in the journeys of the stars … The great law which is inborn in all life as the instinct (principle) of self-preservation, is also the natural law of Mankind. Transferred to the sphere of ethics, it is the commandment of love as the regulating principle of life.” (Warner)

      It’s too easy really …. IMHO!

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      • Gezza

         /  26th September 2019

        That’s fine if you want to let Frank E Warner do your thinking for you, but I like to range wider than that & putting everything down to Reverence, Humility, Courage and Love doesn’t explain why an asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs, or why people argue & battle & even kill over belief systems that supposedly embody those principles – until another group’s interpretation of how those virtues /values should be practiced / enforced challenges theirs.

        I like to range wider than that, but I’ll never get the ultimate answer(s). Who knows, there may not be one?

        Striving to make the world a better place for oneself & everyone else seems like the right thing to do in one’s life, but is a permanent challenge when people are imperfect creatures & not everyone is ever likely to agree on how we should live & what we should all believe in.

        NZ’s a better place to live than many: no place is perfect but we have a generally pretty good society & a political system that allows us to throw out asshole govts.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  27th September 2019

          No it doesn’t! At best our political system allows us to exchange one arsehole government for another arsehole government!

          Some slightly dirtier arseholes than others …

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          • Gezza

             /  28th September 2019

            Yes it does. When enuf people are sufficiently informed & persuaded by a genuine political party with candidates who heve the policies, platforms, knowledge, & capability to not only advocate a better system but to deliver it, they can be elected into government by a majority of the voters here without any change being necessary to our electoral or other laws.

            The fact that there isn’t one yet that is capable of delivering your preffered but domewhar vaguely optimistic, some might even say childlike, Frank E Warner’s heroic utopia reflects the realities of the world as it is, the difficulty of making rafical political change without ctreating unforeseen and/or unpopular adverse consequences, & the fact that you think that what would suit you & your worldview & personality perfectly – doesn’t unfortunately seem to be the same thing that would suit everybody else.

            But don’t let that stop you endlessly whining about it & quoting excerpts from somebody who I, & most people I suspect, had never even heard of.

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            • Gezza

               /  28th September 2019

              Sht!
              *domewhar = somewhat. Soz, Have the iPad screen dimmed low cos of migraine. Hard to proof-read. (Well, that’s my story & I’m sticking to it.)

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