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1 October 2019

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  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  1st October 2019

    By hook or by crook, I’ll be first in this book.

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    • Ray

       /  2nd October 2019

      So the British are apologising to Mâori about Captain Cook’s “invasion”
      So when are Māori going to say sorry about killing Tasman’s men?
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/346443/first-contact-fatal-encounter-remembered

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  2nd October 2019

        Errrrr…..never ?

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      • Gezza

         /  2nd October 2019

        Was an item on 1news. The (stunningly gorgeous) British Ambassador visited their marae & expressed the British government’s “regret”, personally, emotionally & formally, to two specific Gisborne iwi that Cook’s crew had killed men from those two particular iwi on contact with them.

        It has hurt & rankled ever since down thru the years with their descendants, as is the case with a whakapapa-based culture.

        It has gone down very well with the iwi & descendants concerned, by all accounts. One hopes some metaphorical hatchets can now be buried as no one can change the past & Cook & his crew were not murdering thugs, The British government has gone up in my estimation & it was I think a wise & diplomatic move ahead of the upcoming events to recognise Cook’s arrival.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  1st October 2019

    Reserve Bank Governor, Adrian Orr, is paid $800k to spout b.s. in support of the Coalition of Losers:
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/09/30/a-rather-well-paid-governor/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  1st October 2019

      Nice work if you can get it !

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    • Gezza

       /  1st October 2019

      Hmm. As a non-economist with virtually zero understanding of this quasi-science, I must admit I am nervous about the continuing reports of very low business confidence & the very low interest rates on term deposits these days.

      There was a mention in that last respect, in a 1news item a month or two back, when the OCR was cut, that we could even be potentially eventually seeing “negative interest rates”, which was reported to be happening overseas in some countries.

      Heaven knows what that is. It sounded scarily like the banks, instead of paying you interest for the use of your hard-won fortune, would start taking some of your money on top of what they already do in fees & charges. 😬

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      • Gezza

         /  2nd October 2019

        Ah !

        Interest rates are typically assumed to be the price paid to borrow money. For example, an annualized 2% interest rate on a $100 loan means that the borrower must repay the initial loan amount plus an additional $2 after one full year. On the other hand, a -2% interest rate means the bank pays the borrower $2 after a year of using the $100 loan, which is counterintuitive.

        While negative interest rates are a strong incentive to borrow, it is difficult to understand why a lender would be willing to provide funds considering the lender is the one taking the risk of a loan default. While seemingly inconceivable, there may be times when central banks run out of policy options to stimulate the economy and turn to the desperate measure of negative interest rates.

        https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/070915/how-negative-interest-rates-work.asp

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        • Duker

           /  2nd October 2019

          Its simple . Instead of repayment in full plus interest, repayment is less than the amount borrowed.
          Retail interest rates wont be negative.

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          • Gezza

             /  2nd October 2019

            What annoyed me, and this is typical of tv “news reporting” these days, is that the reporter or voiceover in the item mentioned negative interest rates – a term most viewers, like me – will never have even heard of, but made no attempt to explain them or their impact.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  2nd October 2019

              Who would be daft enough to lend money at a loss ?

            • Duker

               /  2nd October 2019

              Trump is calling for US Federal reserve to lower them to negative
              Other countries are already there….such as Switzerland at -0.8%. but that’s Central banks , retail rates might be zero or 1.5%

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2019

              “Who would be daft enough to lend money at a loss?”

              Only the poor taxpayer courtesy of politicians and bureaucracies.

    • duperez

       /  3rd October 2019

      Which means that Orr is the same as all those senior public servants who’ve worked under any government before this one? Paid heaps to spout b.s. in support of them as necessary?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  3rd October 2019

        Dunno, Orr seems to be a bit of a standout but maybe his Treasury counterpart, Makhlouf, was just as bad. Neither seem up to much other than spouting b.s. I’d like to think other top bureaucrats at least knew their stuff … but then Stats, SSC, Police, LTNZ, …

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  3. Gezza

     /  1st October 2019

    Cool. Thanks PG. Good to see an OF again. Weekly sounds like a great idea for anyone who wants to get a discussion going on anything of particular interest thru the week.

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  4. Gezza

     /  1st October 2019

    Space images are photoshopped – aren’t they?

    Someone once commented to me that an astronomical image I’d posted was “fake”.

    I’ve had a long enuf amateur interest in things astronomical & cosmological to know that many of the stunning images we see are not what the objects would look like to the naked eye, but that they are not “fake”.

    A very good explanation here of how and why raw images are processed and what information adding, for example, colours to wavelengths and elements, gives us.
    https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6044500704001.

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  5. Gezza

     /  2nd October 2019

    Is the Dump Trump Wave coming?

    Probably the author is being overly optimistic & underestimating how a dirty Trump campaign will appeal to many staunch Trumpophiles, Republicans, & a few swing voters.

    But the analysis of his personality sure fits with my observations.

    The wave that will sweep Trump from power is building. And if it doesn’t, well, the thing about waves is that they keep coming.

    We’ll know it’s over when his henchmen turn on him. The first few to turn may get immunity, but the rest will join Trump’s campaign manager, his attorney and his first national security advisor in prison. It will be fun to watch. But the primary spectacle will be Trump himself.

    Psychiatry has got Trump sprawling on a pin like a beetle in a display case. The tag on the pin through his thorax says malignant narcissist. The clinical definition of malignant narcissism fits Trump like a leotard.

    For the malignant narcissist only self matters. So he is literally incapable of feeling empathy for others. What could be more true of Trump? In Puerto Rico after a hurricane he lobbed paper towels to survivors as if throwing fish to performing seals. In a Texas hospital after a mass shooting he posed for the camera with thumbs up, a big grin and a freshly orphaned baby.

    The malignant narcissist ignores the law because the self is more important. So Trump solicits aid from foreign countries to get himself elected because it never occurs to him not to. He got help from Russia in 2016. He sought it from Ukraine this year. And that is what he’ll be impeached for.

    But his pathological psychology will be unable to accept the impeachment. He is already calling it treason. He will throw tantrums like a 5-year-old. He will scream that everything is rigged. And he will refuse to go.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/116224978/the-wave-is-rolling-and-it-wont-be-stoppedh

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    • MaureenW

       /  2nd October 2019

      Dumb opinion piece lacking balance or facts. A Trump spew.

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      • Gezza

         /  2nd October 2019

        Much like Trump? Are you trying to get me started, Maureen? 😉

        What bits in that do you disagree with?

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        • MaureenW

           /  2nd October 2019

          “He got help from Russia in 2016” for starters. Haven’t you kept up? Trying to tie the Ukranian phone call to the Trump/Russia hoax – like Trump needs Ukraine assistance to beat Biden – have you seen any of Biden’s rallies – he talks utter nonsense – he’s an embarrassment to himself.
          As I mentioned a week or so ago, the democrats have no-one to beat Trump, how about an impeachment enquiry to coincide with Clinton joining the race?

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          • Gezza

             /  2nd October 2019

            1. The author doesn’t, from what I can see, ecplicitly tie Trump’s Presidential request to the Ukrainian President to investigate Biden & his son to the Russia interference in the elections to favour a Trump victory.

            But have you so easily forgotten Trump’s public invitation to the Russians to release any damning emails of Hillary Clinton’s. That author is right. He’s so malignantly narcisistic he has no qualms at all about requesting other countries or leaders to help him screw over political opponents.

            2. Of course Biden is a twat. And I expect the Democrats to continue rsnting at everything Trump says or does, notwithstanding that purely coincidentally they are actually dedirable & overdue (like better border control), while they presumably want to continue undercutting their own immigration policies to secure votes of relatives of illegal immigrants. They don’s deserve to win either.

            But I don’t let the fact that the Democrats voters are a self-righteous rabble of college kids, movie stars & entertainers & various woke woolly woofters, liberals, LGBTWhatevers & ex-hippies whose party still hasn’t come within coo-ee of getting their act together & finding a single candidate and a single policy platform they can all unite behind in the 2020 election distract me from the fact the yanks & the world have ended up with the most chaotically arrogant & wilfully ignorant god-awful narcissist in history as the US President.

            I don’t care if the yanks elect a half decent Democratic candidate or another Republican POTUS in 2020. But I do want to see the current egomaniacal narcissistic prat dumped out of the White House as soon as possible on whatever grounds are available.

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            • MaureenW

               /  2nd October 2019

              The “invitation” was a joke, said in public “as a joke”.
              The democrats have had 2 years to get a decent candidate to run against Trump and what have they done with the two years they’ve had – precisely what you’re doing – no more than personal smearing while failing to come up with any decent policies.
              Don’t think Clinton is any less narcissistic than Trump – between the two, I prefer him.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2019

              1. I’m not indulging in personal smearing. The man is a lifelong utterly shsmelss egocentric bully, bullshitter, blatant liar and con man. That’s a plain & simple analysis of his behaviour & personality – & it happens to fit with this article’s author’s description of a malignant narcissist.

              2. Don’t think Clinton is any less narcissistic than Trump – between the two, I prefer him.

              I prefer neither. And hopefully most Americans will too, in 2020.

            • Duker

               /  2nd October 2019

              Trump is a malignant narcissist , a different type of narcissism to Clintons

              https://mindcology.com/narcissist/8-types-narcissists-including-one-stay-away-costs/
              And Joe Bennett , the columnist from Christchurch rips into the toxic malignant narcissist
              https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/116224978/the-wave-is-rolling-and-it-wont-be-stopped

            • The shift to support impeachment is happening even faster than it did during Watergate. I suspect Trump’s approval ratings will start to tank in direct correlation to the rise in support for impeachment as it did for Nixon when the facts came out.

            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2019

              According to Aljazeera tv news Trump is publicly now repeatedly accusing those calling for his impeachment of treason!

              Farkin dickhead. Good stuff, tho.

              That’s the sort of idiot they’ve put in the bloody White House & faster people finally realise they’ve got a chaotic, intentionally divisive, pig ignorant, egomaniacal, malignant narcissist in charge of the most powerful country in the world the better.

            • Corky

               /  3rd October 2019

              I’m a afraid John Voight disagrees with you, Gezza. Look, learn and repent.

            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2019

              But isn’t he a bit of a wanker? 😳

              Hang on, I’ll have a look. 🤔

            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2019

              Fark. I’m less than a minute into it & already I’m embarrassed for the guy. What a craven, brown-nosing sycophant he is. Might listen to the rest later.

              Can’t believe any tosser over there would actually be dumb & blibd enuf to go so far as accusing others of having “no truth” while scrambling up the fundamental orifice of the most egregiously blatant liar & bullshitter to ever get his sorry arse onto the reinforced chair behind the desk of the Oval Office. 🙁

            • Corky

               /  3rd October 2019

              Voight speaks a great truth..Trump has done his best to deliver what he promised. Only the weak senate held him up. He really wanted to deal to illegal immigrants using snakes, alligators and bullets. That’s a true patriot. How people can compare Obama( and others) to Trump is beyond me. One does stuff…the other only ‘shows’ stuff.’ What is it with the feral left and sex?

              https://brobible.com/life/article/old-video-obama-presidential/

            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2019

              Obama Shmobama. The guy’s history. Who cares.

              Everybody now has to deal with

              * the endless chaos & Twitter fallout from the current narcissistic, bullying child who’s taken over the White House, with a pack of so many dodgy characters half of them have left or been fired for being either numbnuts or too good at their job not to tell Trump when he’s wrong or just talking shit, and

              * who else should be the next POTUS

              Why are you blaming the Senate for Trump’s complete inability to manage his team outside of his own little business empire & The Apprentice, where he can happily just employ Yes Persons & know they’ll all hang off his pockets for their living?

              The guy has no people skills. A President needs that. Smarming up craven sycophants & blind, ill-educated or dodgy rich Trump supporters isn’t people skills.

  6. Corky

     /  2nd October 2019

    The art of giving. It’s good for your pocket, success and mental wellness. Giving on the quiet is fundamental to the success of many wealthy people. It’s even been proven using computer
    algorithms that competed against each other.

    https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/arthur-c-brooks/giving-matters-2/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd October 2019

      Well said, Corks. It’s also entirely different from being stood over by bureaucracies.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd October 2019

      I walked down the stream shallows yesterday to pick out some sun-reflective rubbish that was spoiling my lovely view of downstream. Turned out to be an empty aluminium foil Shrewsbury packet, wedged among stones. I haven’t seen any of the formerly ubiquitous pladtic shopping bags in there for a couple of months now.

      Anyway, while there I came across a dead young rat, floating among the stones. She was a pretty little creature, with a white underside – it’s a shame they’re vermin & predate birds’ eggs. But we’ve never had a population explosion of them here, there are plenty of dogs & cars sround who can kerp the numbers down , & the local bird populations are boomimg.

      I set her body free into the flow, but it’s just occurred to me I could’ve brought her home for the next time I want to give a rat’s arse. 😐

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd October 2019

      That’s a long but interesting article. It’s certainlly always made me feel good helping people or donating time, muscle or money to friends or worthy causes. Can’t say I’ve noticed that it has enhanced my bank balamce in any way, but I’ve never felt like it’s cost me anything.

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  7. The Oval Office meeting this past March began, as so many had, with President Trump fuming about migrants. But this time he had a solution. As White House advisers listened astonished, he ordered them to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border with Mexico — by noon the next day.

    The advisers feared the president’s edict would trap American tourists in Mexico, strand children at schools on both sides of the border and create an economic meltdown in two countries. Yet they also knew how much the president’s zeal to stop immigration had sent him lurching for solutions, one more extreme than the next.

    Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. But later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That’s not allowed either, they told him.

    Mr. Trump’s order to close the border was a decision point that touched off a frenzied week of presidential rages, round-the-clock staff panic and far more White House turmoil than was known at the time. By the end of the week, the seat-of-the-pants president had backed off his threat but had retaliated with the beginning of a purge of the aides who had tried to contain him.

    Less hinged than a sliding door.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd October 2019

      The daily Trump outrage from NYT and WaPo dutifully republished by our media while Trump’s support in the US remains a permanent fixture at about 43.5%. Something doesn’t compute?

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      • Duker

         /  2nd October 2019

        They dont read NY or Washington papers. I heard that the most popular section in the online NY Times is Recipes. The place where they have the most readers ? India.

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  8. Corky

     /  3rd October 2019

    WHITE WATCH:

    A Scottish University wants white people to apologise for being white, and wants a safe space for snowflakes at an upcoming lecture.

    Aussie nurses must become woke.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/australian-nursing-and-midwifery-code-of-conduct-slammed-over-white-privilege/news-story/4d1d71f45af35b8ffdd25fd40804d5a3

    Auckland University is under attack from whites because other whites are racist. These racists are putting up posters that aren’t offensive although said posters direct people to a racist website. What’s the problem? At least they aren’t fighting like Chinese students..or being openly obnoxious like many Maori racists.

    Hats off to Auckland University. They may not be able to conduct decent fish oil testing…but so far they are getting it right over wokism

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  9. Gezza

     /  3rd October 2019

    CORKY CHECK

    A Scottish University wants white people to apologise for being white, and wants a safe space for snowflakes at an upcoming lecture.

    Link please.

    Auckland University is under attack from whites because other whites are racist. These racists are putting up posters that aren’t offensive although said posters direct people to a racist website. What’s the problem?

    That said posters direct people to a racist website? Link would be good.

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    • Corky

       /  3rd October 2019

      You and me both. The Scottish Uni story I heard on the radio and I’ve forgotten the details.

      The Auckland Uni Story is just my opinion. Stories and links are a dime a dozen. I didn’t want to upset Kitty who has berated me on numerous occasions by pointing out most people have TVs and can read… and they don’t need my links to inform them.

      BTW.. I don’t know the website mentioned. But I wish Pete would provide a ‘safe thread’ for people like me who sometimes feel threatened.

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      • Gezza

         /  3rd October 2019

        I’m not Kitty. That saying “Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has them, but sometimes they’re full of shit” ran thru my mind, bro, cos I notice that a lot on talkback. But I thought “probably best not to mention it, in case it gets misconstrued”.

        Happens on blogs if you’re not careful what you say.

        I wish Pete would provide a ‘safe thread’ for people like me who sometimes feel threatened.

        Harden up, son. 💪🏽 It’s probably just something you said. 😐

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  3rd October 2019

        That is a total distortion of my views, needless to say. Most people are not silly enough (I hope) to believe what bigoted and discredited sources say when the real story is easy to find. At no point have I expressed the views attributed to me by Corky.

        The Scottish story seems to be an inaccurate distortion; this will be no surprise.Talkback radio is seldom, if ever reliable as a source of information.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  3rd October 2019

          The Auckland story isn’t quite as it was presented by Corky as anyone who watches the news will know.

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  10. Corky

     /  3rd October 2019

    Red Radio proving socialists ain’t too bright. They lack the ability to see connecting links to disparate pictures within the framework of a global outlook. Strange coming from globalists and people who believe in diversity.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400185/new-census-data-reveals-more-than-half-of-nz-s-students-use-private-vehicles-to-commute

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    • Gezza

       /  3rd October 2019

      How does this show socialists aren’t very bright, exactly?

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      • Corky

         /  3rd October 2019

        You will have to answer that to retain your mana. But you know the answer.

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        • Gezza

           /  3rd October 2019

          Someone who attempts to communicate a message & abysmally fsils cannot blame the receivers for their own failure to make themselves clear, & their mana, regrettably, immediately falls to somewhere between their crotch & their kneecaps.

          Please see a professional at the earliest opportunity. There may still be hope. 😐

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  11. Corky

     /  3rd October 2019

    This government has to go. They must have a death wish…or is it they know they are finished and are making as many changes as possible knowing full well National are gutless wonders and won’t reverse many of the changes implemented by them?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116261780/electricity-reforms-will-take-pressure-off-monthly-power-bill-government-promises

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    • Corky0

       /  3rd October 2019

      Just received a pamphlet in the mail from Jacinda. Basically it outlines what initiatives Labour has implemented. I hate to say this, but Trumpy and our government have one thing in common – they have done something. Simon, its time for a pamphlet from you telling us what you will do – maybe stop the gun by back? Allow people to have handguns on their property for self defence…HELL, NO! And that’s Nationals problem in a nutshell – they don’t know what they stand for, unlike Labour.

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      • You might have to give the pamphlet back if this is the one.

        Labour is insisting there is only one breach, because it believes the rest is public information that can be lifted.

        I don’t know why they can’t write their own material.

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        • Corky

           /  3rd October 2019

          Honestly, you couldn’t script this stuff.😒

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  3rd October 2019

          The one I had is full of self praise and has her photo three times on one page.

          I can’t think what the cost was, as they were posted and addressed.

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        • Gezza

           /  3rd October 2019

          From Newshub’s article:

          National leader Simon Bridges said it’s “not good enough”.

          National has had its own issues. It was fined $600,000 for breaching copyright, using an Eminem-esque song for an election ad in 2014.

          Bridges said National learned its lesson “the hard way” and said the party hasn’t done it since.

          One would hope so. National Party members have the right to expect him to make his own, original, cock ups – otherwise he just looks like he lacks initiative as well as charisma.

          “What we’re seeing from the Labour Party, given the repeated breaches, is they’re very slow learners.”

          We can thank Phil Twyford, Clare Curran, & David Clark for giving us a heads up on that one very early on there! 👍🏼

          There is no suggestion Labour will be sued over any of this, least of all by the government departments it copied, which likely want the information out there.

          But copying material without permission or attribution is risky and there’s a simple solution: Labour, use your words.

          So, in other words, apart from demonstrating yet again how freakin lazy Labour are, there isn’t actually a problem here, & Newshub is up to its usual dirty tricks of pretending it’s uncovered one?

          I also note that my copying some of the above Newshub article text opened a link to this information, from another, much older Newshub article:

          New Zealand’s Supreme Court has given a small victory to the National Party in its years-long legal stoush with rapper Eminem’s company.

          Eight Mile Style and Martin Affiliated has had its leave to appeal a ruling declined and now must pay National costs of $4500 “plus usual disbursements”.

          The companies, which co-own the copyright to the track ‘Lose Yourself’, had sought an appeal to try and get more money out of the political party, which was initially ordered to hand over $600,000, but had the figure reduced to $225,000 in the Court of Appeal.

          I don’t know why so many people watch Newshub. When I compare the two main tv news broadcasters, tv3 is the sleaziest, imo.

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          • Corky

             /  3rd October 2019

            Yes, I wished they had spent as much time on Jonesy trying to bribe voters up north as they have done with this. I personally give 3 News a slight advantage over One News simply because they canvass far more topics in their allotted news hour. However, I have P in P activated and switch between the two. I have become quite adept at editing my news watching.

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            • Corky

               /  3rd October 2019

              Climate Alarmism.

              3 News went into overdrive tonight saying if the ice caps reach a certain
              melting point, sea levels could rise by 20 METRES. It showed the obligatory ice sheet slipping into the ocean, and penguins walking on the ice..and some water between ice floats. Seems very normal to me. Now, if one of these ice floats had a banana tree growing on it, Ok that’s news.

  12. Kitty Catkin

     /  3rd October 2019

    How Megan Wood rationalises that removing my discount on my power bill will make me pay less is a mystery.

    I wonder if a government CAN force a company to change what it charges for a product.

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    • Gezza

       /  3rd October 2019

      The way 1news explained it you are being conned & most of them work the sane con. If you pay by the date specified for the “discount”, you are actually just paying the cost (their standard charge) of your electricity.

      If you pay after that date, you are paying the late fee on top.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  3rd October 2019

        Tough titty for you if you miss the lower payment through not paying on time. Late payment fees are a fact of life. We have probably all been caught after forgetting to pay a bill on time.

        Our council used to offer an early payment discount. As soon as it stopped, no one paid a day before they had to.

        It’s still a discount as far as I’m concerned and I hope that it will be legally challenged if Labour tries to bully companies into this. Megan Woods’ ideas are dreaming.

        It’s outrageous to penalise those who budget to pay bills on time and make them sub those who don’t. Stuff is running red hot with infuriated power users. If Labour persists, it’ll be an own goal. It will penalise those on low incomes like the pension and will be a vote loser.

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        • Gezza

           /  3rd October 2019

          The way it was covered on 1news, the measures will also include forcing larger power companies to hold or lower their (wholesale?) charges, to allow smaller companies to compete & offer cheaper deals to consumers who want to shop around.

          Fark, I thought. I’ve got gas & electricity to the house. Whenever you try to do a cost comparison they all have multiple ways of chsrging you less for some price compinents & more for others, & the maths required to work out how to structure or tailor your usage & who then gives you the best deal overall is often largely wasted time & drives you nuts.

          You have to often sign up a minimum time to get their best rate. Your current company immediately rings you & offers you a once-only limited credit that matches or betters the proferred savings of your bew supplier & I get fed up with the mind-bending calculations that inevitably make the theoretical wonderful benefits of more “choice” a damed nuisance!

          I’ll bet I’m not the only one.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  3rd October 2019

          I can’t see how making the people on small fixed incomes who budget and pay bills on time pay more than they do because of this unjust proposal will make those who don’t somehow pay LESS. It makes no sense. Many of the angry writers on Stuff are in this position; low income people whom Labour wants to penalise because other people on higher incomes don’t manage their money as well as they do. It won’t benefit the late payers but will mean that those on low incomes will see them going down unless they can somehow find some way to cut back elsewhere.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  4th October 2019

            The proposed scheme seems unworkable and more trouble than it would be worth.

            There’s nothing to stop people shopping around for the best rate except their own shiftlessness.

            I see nothing wrong with signing for a definite time for the lower rate. It’s like bulk buying on something like BuyInvite where one saves a considerable amount with their three moisturisers for a set price or The Warehouse buy one, get one half price. I happily changed plans with Contact when they offered me a nice cash incentive to do so.

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  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  3rd October 2019

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/a-nation-dying-in-despair-and-family-breakdown-is-part-of-the-problem

    I think this is a large part of the “victims of colonialism” problem.

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    • Gezza

       /  4th October 2019

      🤔 Hang on, I’ll have a look. 😐

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      • Gezza

         /  4th October 2019

        Well yes, maybe, insofar as many fit the profile of the poorer educated low paid or unemployed hispanic American working class, which is suffering from high rates of hopelessness, suicides, & the opioid eoidemic & these days has higher rates of divorced couples, single parent families, absent fathers, multiple transitory relationships, poorer if any connections to children – with consequent adverse impacts on their wellbeing.

        That article also indicates, though, that the low paid, low educated or unrmployed white working class also suffers from increasing family breakdown & the same afflictions – & they’re more likely to be the victims of hard-nosed the right wing, greedy, rapacious unpatriiotic globalist capitalism & its political enablers that started off with Regan’s administration, rather than colonialism..

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  14. Well this is ironic. Perhaps the Republicans would like to re-read their well-articulated words whole-heartedly agreeing with Joe Biden’s push to move the anti-corruption cause in Ukraine:

    “A newly unearthed letter from 2016 shows that Republican senators pushed for reforms to Ukraine’s prosecutor general’s office and judiciary, echoing calls then-Vice President Joe Biden made at the time.

    CNN’s KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.”

    The letter shows that addressing corruption in Ukraine’s Prosecutor General’s office had bipartisan support in the US and further undercuts a baseless attack made by President Donald Trump and his allies that Biden pressured the Ukrainian government to fire then Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to stop investigations into a Ukrainian natural gas company”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

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  15. Gezza

     /  4th October 2019

    Amerika’s narcissistic Doofus-in-Chief goes all out to make a total tool of himself.

    Keep it up, mate. 👍🏼 The sooner you get shown the door the better for everyone. Whatever good you might achieve you immediately undercut it with your worst qualities, your lies, your wilful ignorance, your bullying, your fundamental selfish nastiness & your stupid, self-destructive ego.

    America needs & deserves a decent President with guts, determination, & a moral compass – something you lack.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/116317221/us-president-donald-trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-probe-bidens

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    • These are extraordinary times. Trump has taken the power of the presidency and turned it to his own selfish purposes. Yet his loyal followers see no evil and hear no evil.

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      • Gezza

         /  4th October 2019

        They are the kind of people who slavishly adore & lavish praise on right wing dictators where those dictators pander to their prejudices & that’s all the qualification for their support they need, whatever other nasty things the regime might be up to with its “enemies of the state”.

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  16. Corky

     /  4th October 2019

    While we weed out White extremists…this seems to keep happening.

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/03/paris-knife-attacker-who-killed-4-in-police-headquarters-had-converted-to-islam-report/

    My guess in this other case below where two NZ brothers were attacked and one was killed with a knife, the perpetrators were probably an immigrant gang. That’s a guess, but the MO fits.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/10/kiwi-teen-17-fatally-stabbed-in-melbourne-18yo-brother-in-critical-condition.html

    I teach my younger whanau members to hand over anything robbers ask for and run. But it’s hard..Maoris don’t like handing anything over without a fight. Sadly, in this case a cap probably cost one brother his life.

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    • Gezza

       /  4th October 2019

      Maoris don’t like handing anything over without a fight.
      1. Not many people do, if they think they’ve got an even chance of getting away with refusing & taking out or scaring off the mugger.
      2. You’re sterotyping all “Maoris” again. Stupidly.

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      • Corky

         /  4th October 2019

        You need to take time off..you are reverting to your surly persona again. Have a break come
        and back fresh and balanced.

        1- ”Not many people do, if they think they’ve got an even chance of getting away with refusing & taking out or scaring off the mugger.”

        That hasn’t been my experience…or my observations of street violence.

        2- ”You’re stereotyping all “Maoris” again. Stupidly.”

        No, I’m not. I have yet to meet a Maori ( no doubt some exist somewhere) who will give you anything..no matter the odds or threats. Case in point, the story above about the two brothers. And these brothers look like middleclass boys..not feral Maori.

        Quote:

        “Two boys jumped out of the car and asked Nate for his hat. Both boys said no and a fight broke out,” a family friend told Daily Mail Australia

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        • Corky

           /  4th October 2019

          * Have a break and come back fresh and balanced.*

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          • Gezza

             /  4th October 2019

            Two points, Bro:

            You need to take time off..you are reverting to your surly persona again. Have a break [and] come a back fresh and balanced.

            1. You are trying to read my mind again & you are just hopeless at it. Imo, this is because of your oft-demonstrated chronic inability to look at any issue from any other possible perspective than your own. I being neitther surly nor unbalanced. Let’s not relitigate this matter because I while I don’t mind wasting your time I don’t want you wasting mine,

            I have yet to meet a Maori ( no doubt some exist somewhere) who will give you anything.

            2. If, by that, you mean, you have yet to meet a Maori who will give YOU anything, & given the way you routinely speak about them here, this should come as no surprise. And anyway, given that, surely by now you must have met at least one who would like to give you a hiding?

            3. An accomplished Maori singer / guitarist gave me my first Chorus pedal. For nothing. Just because it made my strat sound ace. Possum gave several keepsakes when we met up at Sir Alan’s excelllent & well-appointed rustic hideaway in Northland. Do you maybe just hang out with the wrong kind of Maori?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  4th October 2019

              The French police said that there was no link with terrorism and there seems no indication that the Frenchman who killed the policemen was an extremist or radicalised. Nor do we know that he wasn’t white.

              Nothing was said that would indicate an immigrant gang was behind the Melbourne killing.

              The idea that no Maori would give anything away is ridiculous generalisation. Even if you mean when a weapon or force was used, it’s still a ridiculous generalisation.One would have to be a fool to fight a bankrobber who has a gun.

            • Corky

               /  10th October 2019

              2.” If, by that, you mean, you have yet to meet a Maori who will give YOU anything.”

              Yep, still niitpicking. The context of the the story should have easily enabled you to decipher what I meant and have no need to feign ignorance. Like I said, I don’t do grammar. I’m more interested in what people have to say.

              ”Even if you mean when a weapon or force was used, it’s still a ridiculous generalisation.One would have to be a fool to fight a bank robber who has a gun.”

              Yeah, look mate. I’m sorry, I know you profess to know certain Maoris. And they gave you this and that. And who am I to argue, but the fact is you don’t know the ‘Maori psyche.’ I have tried over the years to draw you out and let you show me you understood..and just when you are about to prove you do; you don’t. I think you have a good intellectual grasp of Maoridom..but not the inner working of Maori individuals. That’s unfortunate from my perspective because I could have related to another person on this blog who understood the inner workings of Maoridom.
              Conversely, Kitty’s ignorance regarding Maoridom was plain from the beginning. She knew nothing.

              I think you have summed things up well.

              ” Let’s not relitigate this matter because I while I don’t mind wasting your time I don’t want you wasting mine.”

              The problem is you engaged me.The paragraph above this gives us an insight into your mindset. So I think you are right…in fact we should not religate anything regarding Maoridom. I’m sure others will offer a fresh perspective to debate this issue with you.

              Right, back to my holiday.

            • Gezza

               /  10th October 2019

              @ Corky

              ”Even if you mean when a weapon or force was used, it’s still a ridiculous generalisation.One would have to be a fool to fight a bank robber who has a gun.”

              Reluctant though I am to disturb your equilibrium by nitpicking, you are citing Kitty there, not me.

              I think the problem here is that you speak of the Maori psyche as though it were some inbuilt genetic characteristic. It may well be that for many of those influenced primarily or solely by iwi & local marae tikanga & kaupapa, & overall cultural outlook – as it is in smaller towns or amongst urban revivalists.

              I have primarily had contact with urban Maori of acknowledge mixed European/Maori parentage or lineage, most of whom don’t speak Maori, but identify as Maori – because they don’t get a choice. They look Maori, sometimes, but not always, speak English with the classic Maori accent & get classified & treated as Maori anyway.

              Nevetheless, they’re pretty much just ordinary Kiwis living ordinary Kiwi lifestyles. Not much evident in tbe way of a particular Maori psyche of the type you refer to there. But it might apply to the people you associate with.

              That’s not to say that I don’t get pissed off with the professional anti-pakeha protestors who, for example, turn up from all over the country to moan about the evil man Cook was – 250 freakin years after he arrived & after it’s been long-established he was no evil bastard, unlike the iwi in Nelson who cannibalised a crew of another British ship. They need to move on & get a life.

              Right. It’s been a long day 5 hours at Welly Hospital with ma re-starting chemo. Back to my nap. Enjoy your holiday. And don’t try and read my mind & tell me what mood I’m in when we are completely different personality types again.

  17. Gezza

     /  4th October 2019

    😳 You might need to sit down and take a few deep breaths, Corks. 😬

    Lab/NZF lift African & Middle Eastern Refugee Ban

    I see on 1news tonite that the Labour / NZF coalition government has scrapped the ban on taking refugees from Africa & the Middle East – described as “racist” by most commenters in the item – unless they already have family in NZ.

    The ban was introduced on the quiet by National in 2009, ostensibly as a result of “security concerns”. National, approached for comment, were apparently wanting to keep their heads down & say nothing.

    Winston Peters was shown making comments some time back indicating he didn’t favour getting rid of the ban: “How can it be racist when most of our immigrants are brown or black?”, but has now agreed to getting rid of it.

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  18. Alan Wilkinson

     /  5th October 2019

    I read Cooke’s Stuff article this morning and thought it was pretty stupid but this takes it apart and provides a lot of historical background and insight:
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/10/05/revisiting-some-rb-history/

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    • Gezza

       /  6th October 2019

      I found that one a bit of a long-winded peripatetic ramble thru the bramble of RB recent history (might be because I’m tired, I suppose, but I get it that he thinks Henry Cooke is guity of sloppy historical research, his referenced article (not read) therefore valueless, & the Adrian Orr is a politically driven incompetent who shouldn’t be in the RB Governor job.

      Redell really is missing good old robotic classical economist Dr Brash, isn’t he? His glory days?

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      • Gezza

         /  6th October 2019

        Damn.

        * & that Adrian Orr … etc

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      • Gezza

         /  6th October 2019

        Oops. *Reddell

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  6th October 2019

        I was interested in the forecasting and logic they debated when making decisions. I don’t see that as robotic, rather being intelligent and responsible. We seem to have moved on to a generation of professionals who put a primary focus on political virtue signalling.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th October 2019

          Oh, sorry, by robotic, I meant, Don Brash as RB Governor simply seemed to me to apply classic economic theory to his job, tend to have a cold, impersonal head accountant communication style, & to not be much interested in the other impacts and factors affecting financial policy outside of the numbers.

          In fact as a now-some-time-ago-failed party leadder and occasional public commenter on some of those other issues – most notably his monocultural approach to Treaty Settlements and Maori cultural renaissance matters – he still seems to do that.

          But yes, I can see what you mean, and I agree Reddell is making a fairly good (& clearly intends it to be a sustained case) that the way Brash was instructed to, and did, run the Reserve Bank was actually the proper way to do it and his successors don’t have the guts or ability to do it – especially with a Finance Minister who wants them to do his bidding, rather than have the guts to argue.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th October 2019

          Stuff.co’s having a go at Orr too, today – I think…

          It’s a chilly but sunny day & I’m busy working outside – I haven’t read it all yet.

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116163751/portrait-of-the-governor-as-a-strongman-the-complicated-heroics-of-adrian-orr

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  7th October 2019

            Orr seems to have more power than is good for him. It makes him a political actor and bureaucrats (and judges) who become that can easily get burnt.

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  19. Missy

     /  6th October 2019

    Operation Midland.

    Operation Midland was the operation investigating the claims into a VIP paedophile ring that included allegations of sexual abuse, torture and murder by a number of senior people in Government, including a former PM, former Home Secretary, former Chief of Defence Staff. The main accuser, known as ‘Nick’, was deemed credible and true by the Met Police, but has since been uncovered as a fantasist and convicted on a number of charges, including some of paedophilia.

    Yesterday the official unreacted report was released, and was scathing of the Metropolitan Police, naming a number of individuals including the current Commissioner. In addition the report also singled out the Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson. Tom Watson met with ‘Nick’ and also reportedly pressured the police to act on his claims, in fact ‘Nick’ used his connection to Tom Watson as proof of his stories being true. Tom Watson named and shamed a number of the alleged perpetrators in the House of Commons, accusing them of the vilest of crimes, and he was a champion of ‘Nick’. There are calls for Tom Watson to resign, however, he is doubling down and claiming he was not that involved, and the report contains a number of inaccuracies about his involvement, he has yet to apologise to those that he falsely accused.

    I think this is something that may dog him in a General Election unless he deals with it now, it won’t take a lot for it to hit the headlines again during an election period, especially considering those he accused were Conservatives.

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  20. Gezza

     /  6th October 2019

    Local Body Elections

    Finally got my voting paper completed and posted today.

    The Electoral Commission or whoever organises the voting paper and accompanying booklet with candidate statements did a good job.

    With a full ticket for most offices, and with STV meaning having to read them all (on top of any blurb you’ve kept from those arriving in your letterbox over the past few weeks rank candidates) and then rank your preferences from 1 to 7 (or was it 9?) for:

    * Mayor
    * 3 councillors for my ward
    * 6 Tawa Community Board members
    *1 Hutt Mana Charitable Trust Trustee
    * 2 Regional Councillors for my ward
    * 7 CCDHB Board members

    I can see why the voting rate has been low here. It’s a fair commitment of time to go through it all & try to make carefully considered votes if you don’t want to just either flag it away or make totally random rankings.

    I feel I deserve a reward. Might buy myself a large Hokey Pokey Tip Top ice cream later at the dairy. Been a while.

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    • Gezza

       /  6th October 2019

      Sht! 😠
      * “candidates)” – pretend that closing bracket came after “past few weeks”.
      Thanks. 👍

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    • Gezza

       /  6th October 2019

      Hokey pokey ice cream reward purchased & self-awarded. Just a single. No need to go overboard for just carrying out my civic duty. Sunny day here. That ice cream hit the spot. 👍🏼

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  21. Alan Wilkinson

     /  7th October 2019

    A blue moon event has occured – our MSM have printed an intelligent, rational article about Trump:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12274032

    It must surely have been a mistake.

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    • Gezza

       /  7th October 2019

      😮 Jesus.

      🤔 Hang on, I’ll have a look. 😐

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    • Gezza

       /  7th October 2019

      “Take outs” as los Americanos say:

      “I can agree with all the criticisms of Trump — he has a million and one flaws. But if you look at the need to reform a system that’s broken, then there is scope to suggest that a Trump-like figure was inevitable. Perhaps necessary,” Rogers says.

      Democrats are playing to Mr Trump’s script, he says. “I see it as being something Trump moves on from, and it becomes a narrative of ‘look what else I can survive’.”

      But Trump is himself struggling. He is not winning as much as promised. People are sick of not winning.

      So, the future of the United States probably lies in the hands of the next president.
      “What the next president, whoever that might be, on whatever side, takes from this cataclysm in American politics is the real question,” Dr Rogers says. “Whatever comes next is a fascinating and open question. And it’s a dangerous question.”

      “American politics is much more based on informal conventions than people often realise,” Rogers says. “The American system is famous for its formal conventions of separation of powers and the three branches of government and so forth. But really, its founding documents deal with much more subtle aspects of the American Republic.”

      The US Constitution was written to establish a democratic system intended to operate as a perpetual machine. “But they knew it would require a little bit of a nudge now and then to keep it operating,” Dr Rogers says. “And that’s really what the office of the presidency is supposed to be about.”

      The United States is grappling with itself, he says. And that is precisely what democratic systems were intended to do.

      “For all the ugliness, all the disruption, and all the farce we see going on — this could actually be an open, Democratic-Republican system trying to grapple with itself,” Dr Rogers says. “It’s trying to reject entrenched interests, which is precisely what the founders of the US Constitution wanted to guard against.”

      Such a system embraces drama. It also contains it, within a constitutional script. “We might be watching the US system just wriggling its way out of a terrible spot. And that’s going to be ugly. There’s going to be a lot of broken eggshells, and a lot of stakeholders disenfranchised. But that might just be the natural workings of an open system.

      “There’s scope to be optimistic about what’s happening, I think.”

      “Too many people lurch towards favouring something autocratic and authoritarian because of the veneer of it,” Rogers says. “On the face of it, it can look neat and efficient. But underneath, all systems of government are shambolic.” And history shows us, the more authoritarian a system, the more shambolic it becomes.

      “American life looks shambolic now — it is shambolic. The same goes for the UK and many other democracies around the world. But it’s good that shambles is out in the open.”

      “And that’s — whether you like it or not — that’s just a fundamental fact of American life. And those voices behind Trump are not only financially and economically marginalised, but they feel themselves being marginalised politically and culturally.

      “A lot of this backlash is just spring-back from that. And a marketplace of ideas should be a contact sport to prevent it from becoming an open conflict.”

      Which is why Dr Rogers says he’s inclined to look at the bright side of the unfolding White House tale. “This could all end up returning politics to the people,” he adds.

      Yes, I think it’s good to see a commenter who can see beyond the mess Trump is making, & still envisage & hope that somehow, when he’s finally turfed out, the system will somehow start to work to everyone’s benefit & not just Trump & co & thecreprehensible financialists, pollies, & globalists again.

      He doesn’t offer anything in the way of solid evidence to support that hope, but at least he’s not suffering from TBS, or from hysteria, paranoia or depression.

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    • Gezza

       /  7th October 2019

      Well, given the all out economic war Trump’s waging on them, & coercing other countries into waging on them too, I guess that, & other asymmetric attacks as well, are to expected. They might be a theocracy but one doubts they’d figure they should just sit on their arses & wait for Allah sort the Great Satan out on his own.

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