Stupid National policy: fining parents of school leavers

My disappointment with the direction National is going in has increased even more.

Stuff: Fines for parents of school drop-outs considered for National Party policy

Fines for parents of school drop-outs are among several tough welfare policies the National Party is floating ahead of the 2020 election.

National leader Simon Bridges says New Zealanders know there’s deep-set poverty and welfare dependence problems, and is promising to take Labour on with policies that show “backbone”.

While Bridges wouldn’t speak directly to the policies being considered, it’s understood they include fines of up to $3000 for parents of children who leave high school and don’t enter further education and training.

That’s even worse than fining parents if students leave early. If an 18 year old left school and didn’t enter enter further education and training would National really consider fining their parents for not forcing them to do something they obviously don’t want to do?

There’s more:

National is considering are: more obligations and sanctions for beneficiaries, cutting the number receiving welfare by 25 per cent, and requiring gang members to prove they don’t have illegally-sourced income before receiving the benefit.

Beneficiary bashing is not new, but seems to be a swing back to pandering to people who are unlikely to switch votes anyway.

Bridges said: “It’s no secret. We hate gangs … We are thinking about how we can crack down on gangs.”

Why stop at gangs? It’ would be hard to legally define ‘gang’ anyway. Why not make everyone prove they don’t have illegally-sourced income? And include illegally sourced political donations.

RNZ: Will National propose fines for parents of truant teens? (with audio):

Should parents of teenagers who leave school early and don’t go into education or training be fined?

It’s one of the policies the National Party is reportedly looking into as part of its social policy review.

Other policies under consideration are requiring gang members to prove they don’t have illegal income before getting a benefit, and reassessing the obligations of people who are on the benefit.

Leader Simon Bridges is being coy about the specifics – but says these are priority issues for National.

Priority issues for National? I think a higher priority issue for National is leadership – or more specifically, a lack of decent leadership. Bridges seems to the best chance of getting Labour and Greens in power next year.

I have a better proposal – fine MPs who waste time and (taxpayer) money on stupid policies. Especially party leaders.

 

 

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22 Comments

  1. Geoffrey

     /  4th October 2019

    These mooted policies are dumb Pete and I have no doubt that they will not be proceeded with. If your high-octane response is any indication, the end of that discussion is nigh!

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  4th October 2019

      The people whose children wag are breaking the law.

      There is already a fine for this.

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  2. Corky

     /  4th October 2019

    Yep, I did ask the other day how National will stuff up the gifts Labour is giving them by the bucket load. Now I have my answer.

    ”Bridges said: “It’s no secret. We hate gangs … We are thinking about how we can crack
    down on gangs.”

    Thinking!? There’s only one way of getting rid of gangs, and we know National will never go down that road. Here’s a hint for National..gang culture is changing. For example, you now buy a Mongrel Mob patch and earn the right to wear it after a probation period. If you don’t measure up, you get the boot..but there is no violence against you for failing. In fact you will still be an associate. That would have been unheard of previously. Result…the MM in my area has had membership soar. For example, it takes 10 minutes for a MM funeral cortege to pass a certain point. Hundreds of gang bangers and associates go past. They set up there own roading policing unit…and the cops do nothing. Why? because cops are outnumbered. Any citizen or cop not obeying MM road marshals would feel the ‘hobbies.’ There you go, Simon. That’s your first problem and there is a solution.

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    • Gezza

       /  4th October 2019

      What’s the solution? Ban gangs?

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      • Corky

         /  4th October 2019

        Not ban..exterminate. I say exterminate because gangs won’t give a flying fig about bans. If they can hold traffic up with impunity, they won’t be worrying about bans. Given banning won’t happen, obviously police numbers must rise, However, that costs money, so I would envisage creating a new unit called ” Black Squad.” that would target new police numbers into hit squads ( similar to South Auckland team policing in the day). They would be specially trained and they wouldn’t hesitate to use force. They would use tactically armed drones and all officers would wear cameras. They wouldn’t be above the law. But there would be no negotiation. Non compliance would result in force being used. Black Squad would come to be feared by all criminals in NZ. Of course that won’t happen. So let’s sit back and enjoy the ”let’s get tough of gang pantomime.”

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  4th October 2019

          We don’t have a history of exterminating people in NZ. It’s called genocide.

          I have seen funerals holding up traffic many times when it’s a big funeral, and nobody minds. It’s hardly a daily occurrence. Nor is it only gang funerals that do this.

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        • duperez

           /  4th October 2019

          I can see it now, legions of National politicians running careers evenings in the nobby schools in the nobby suburbs they represent, recruiting scores of the young of their most avid supporters for the police extermination squad. 🙃

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          • Corky

             /  4th October 2019

            I don’t know what you are talking about. You have Kitties problem..you don’t understand what you read. But let’s not quibble..the floor is yours. Let’s here your ideas.. and, no, hugs, kisses and pink tutus don’t count.😊

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            • duperez

               /  4th October 2019

              My idea is that National politicians can run careers evenings in the nobby schools in the nobby suburbs they represent, recruiting scores of the young of their most avid supporters for the police extermination squad.
              And to be prison guards. (They are likely to term them “Election Meetings.”)

              After they win the election they’ll have newly recruited ones to do the necessary dirty work. Oops, not dirty work, I mean the Lord’s work, cleansing the world of the riff raff.

              Not understanding that explanation might suggest that Bridges has fertile fields to appeal to.

            • Corky

               /  4th October 2019

              Thanks for that insight. I think we all better understand why Labour do the things they do. Talking of the Lord..we really could do with his help.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  4th October 2019

              Exterminate only has one meaning; to kill. If you don’t know the meaning of words, don’t use them. You were the one who wanted to exterminate the gangs; your memory can’t be that short.

              Hit squads eliminate people; we don’t, as I said, commit genocide here. I know it happens in other countries, but our laws don’t allow it.

              You may object to being delayed by funeral processions; most of us are not so intolerant. Where I live, there is a Maori cemetery by the main road and traffic is sometimes delayed when there is a big funeral. Big funerals delay traffic; it’s a fact of life. They tend not to charge along like boy racers. It’s called showing respect.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  4th October 2019

              Hit squads are teams of assassins.

              I think that the chances of setting up teams of police to go around murdering people are non-existent.

              Corky writes things like this and then tells people who know the meaning of the words he uses that they don’t understand what they’re reading.

              Exterminate and hit squad are unambiguous; it’s Corky whose understanding is defective.

            • The PDTs might like to look up the meaning of hit squad and exterminate.

              There is no chance that any group will be wiped out by teams of trained killers in NZ. This isn’t Nazi Germany.

        • Gezza

           /  6th October 2019

          There’s a Stuff article today on the increase being experienced in gang membership. I’ve picked this one up again in Open Forum.

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  3. Gezza

     /  4th October 2019

    I feel like reposting an excerpt from my comment yesterday re shifty Newshub’s beat-up story on the lazy- arse Labour Party’s pamphlet that cut & pasted most of its text from online sources found with google searches:

    National leader Simon Bridges said it’s “not good enough”.

    National has had its own issues. It was fined $600,000 for breaching copyright, using an Eminem-esque song for an election ad in 2014. Bridges said National learned its lesson “the hard way” and said the party hasn’t done it since.

    One would hope so. National Party members have the right to expect him to make his own, original, cock ups – otherwise he just looks like he lacks initiative as well as charisma.”
    . . . . . . . . . .

    On ya, Simon ! 👍🏼

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    • Gezza

       /  4th October 2019

      There’s more:
      National is considering … :
      more obligations and sanctions for beneficiaries

      Why? Labour has continued National’s sanctions & the current Minister responsible has copped flack for supporting MSD’s still applying them, on tv, in cases where the promised more leniency hasn’t been considered appropriate.

      Those sanctions were criticised widely for effectively penalising & further impoverishing children who already had enuf problems with having shit parents. Does Bridges think those criticisms would be any easier to bat away when introducing even more would likeky lead to more crime like shoplifting & violence towards partners & children by even more desperate no-hopers? Dreaming. Big talk.

      cutting the number receiving welfare by 25 per cent
      Setting an arbitrary number like that, implying no proper consideration of every case on its merits, is a recipe for getting your arse kicked by the Courts & the media, and for spending all your time on tv having to reply to continual criticisms & shocking cases of sufferings from the Children’s Commissioner, Sally Army, UN reports, Opposition Parties & media human interest & human rights crusaders like the Sunday, Checkpoint, Breakfast Show’s John Campbell, RNZ worthies, & Newshub Nation.

      and requiring gang members to prove they don’t have illegally-sourced income before receiving the benefit.
      Yeah. Good luck with that one. With what resources? How much would you have to spend before you canned that idea for costing heaps more trying to find cleverly hidden off the books, cash fortunes squirrelled away thru various diverse means easily available to powerful thugs – these guys are our mafiosi.

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  4. duperez

     /  4th October 2019

    Stupidity in politics is doing something that won’t win or solidify votes. While this latest little bundle might seem dumb, reactionary or red-neck to some, others are likely to see it as strong, positive, decisive, bold, inspiring and necessary.

    Just how sad is that?

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  5. Alloytoo

     /  4th October 2019

    Unfortunately the Leader of the opposition can’t fine minister’s of the crown for their inane policies.

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    • Gezza

       /  4th October 2019

      That reminds me, what in God’s name is taking The Fuzz so long to complete their investigation into the probity or otherwise of that/those possibly illegal single-source Chinese donations to the National Party that Crash & Burn Ross tried to get Bridges fone over for?

      Have I missed some announcement it was all actually above board? Have you heard anything? If not, that investigation seems to have disapoeared into a black hole somewhere.

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      • Gezza

         /  4th October 2019

        🙄
        😡
        * done over for

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      • Gerrit

         /  5th October 2019

        Possibly the same black hole this investigation went?

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11279089

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        • Gezza

           /  6th October 2019

          Well, yes, although I’m not generally one for conspiracy theories, that possibility is certainly lurking in one of the recesses of my mind as a potential explanation.

          The whole matter, & the referral of the issue & the evidence to the police, was so heavily choreographed, & so widely & gleefully covered by the media Press Pack, right down to the smirking cop shop entry & exit interviews by JLR, & the information about the deal so suggestive of sleight of hand to appear to bring the donation within the rules, that I was expecting a fairly quick police investigation & subsequent clearance.

          The fact that hasn’t happened makes me wonder if a police examination of electoral commission & bank or party or orher records has turned up uncomfortable-looking donations with one or more other parties involved in government that could blow up in their faces, such that our highly poiticicised police senior management have decided the best course of action is to hope it all just goes away & our media hounds suffer from amnesia – which they seem to have done. :/

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