Planned climate extremist disruptions risk alienating wider support

Growing significant support for taking more urgent and more meaningful and effective action to minimise and mitigate predicted possible effects of climate change may be jeopardised by extremists who claim extinction and who seem to be using climate change as a reason to drastically change the world economic and political systems.

Following a widely popular series of countrywide protests last week, more extreme action is threatened for Wellington on Monday, with more extreme goals. I think that this risks alienating popular support.

The future of the human race could be in jeopardy due to pollution, over-consumption and climate change, but using that threat to force what would effectively be a revolution – ironically one goal is to undemocratically impose a different sort of (unproven) democracy – could be a bigger risk.

The cure could be worse than the ailment.

Stuff: Wellington will be first city targeted for ‘disruption’ in worldwide climate change protest

Monday morning commuters could face delays, with climate change activists set to “disrupt Wellington” with protest action in the central city from 7am.

Police, Wellington City Council and NZTA are gearing up in anticipation of the protest, which is part of what has been called a “global rebellion”, with Wellington the first of more than 60 cities worldwide targeted for climate activist disruption.

The protest is organised by the Extinction Rebellion, a group formed in October last year in the UK, with branches all over the world, including New Zealand.

The action is coinciding with a “Rebel Camp” running in Paekākāriki from Saturday to Wednesday, which will include training in “non-violent direct action”.

Extinction Rebellion Wellington spokesperson Dr Sea Rotmann said the New Zealand branch would disrupt Wellington traffic with a street party and expected arrests.

The news report includes odd looking staged photos of Dr Rotman who seems to be trying to depict themselves as something extraordinary:

Dr Sea Rotmann, Wellington spokesperson for Extinction Rebellion, says "it is time to draw the line and to take whatever non-violent action is necessary".

Weird, and I’m not sure that will attract a lot of support.

The Extinction Rebellion website said it aimed to “support and encourage a citizens’ uprising in Aotearoa New Zealand”.

That would involve “low level and higher risk acts of civil disobedience by some”.

“When ready, create a participatory, democratic process that discusses and improves a draft manifesto for change and a new constitution.

“This will involve creating a genuine democracy, alongside an economy to maximise well-being and minimise harm.”

So they intend using a revolution to create “a genuine democracy”. That doesn’t sound very democratic.

Suddenly and drastically changing the economic system would be at more risk of maximising harm and adversely affecting wellbeing.

This all seems like an idealistic experiment that if forced on us could cause more disruption and harm than climate change.

What does Extinction Rebellion want?

Extinction Rebellion has three demands of Government:

1. “Tell the truth” and declare a climate and ecological emergency

2. Act now to halt biodiversity loss and reduce greenhouse emissions to net-zero by 2025

3. “Go beyond politics” and set up a “Citizen’s Assembly” on climate and ecological justice

I wonder if they are aware that a “Citizen’s Assembly” should be inclusive of and represent all citizens, and not just a minority of extremists.

Drastically changing all of the world’s governments immediately seems to be a totally unrealistic aim.

Extreme action and extreme demands are much easier to dismiss as extremist nutters.

And more immediately, disrupting Wellington traffic on Monday is likely to alienate a lot of people rather than attracting popular support.

I think that we should be doing significantly more to address possible affects of climate change, and reduce waste, and reduce pollution, but I think that Extinction Rebellion could be counter-productive to getting support to do this.

Their website home page says:

JOIN THE REBELLION

Enter your details to join Extinction Rebellion Aotearoa. Stay up to date with our latest direct action events, news and volunteering opportunities.

To create the change the world so desperately requires we need everyone’s support, we’re in this together.

You’ll be joining part of a larger global movement dedicated to preserving life on earth.

ISSUES

We are unprepared for the danger the future holds. We face floods, wildfires, extreme weather, crop failure, mass displacement and the breakdown of society. The time for denial is over. It is time to act.

Conventional approaches of voting, lobbying, petitions and protest have failed because powerful political and economic interests prevent change. Our strategy is therefore one of non-violent, disruptive civil disobedience – a rebellion.

Historical evidence shows that we need the involvement of 3.5% of the population to succeed – in Aotearoa New Zealand this is 170,000 people.

We are the local branch of the Extinction Rebellion International. We are everyday New Zealanders just like you. We are supported by journalist Naomi Klein, academic and renowned dissident Noam Chomsky, and around 100 other prominent international progressives calling on “concerned global citizens to rise up” and join us.

OUR VISION

A world where we build thriving connections within our society and environment, bringing hope and enabling us to decide the direction of our lives and futures. An inclusive world, where we work consciously to ensure fair processes of collective decision-making, where creativity is prioritised, and where our diversity of gifts are recognised, celebrated and flourish.

OUR MISSION

To spark and sustain a spirit of creative rebellion, which will enable much needed changes in our political, economic and social landscape. We endeavour to mobilise and train organisers to skilfully open up space, so that communities can develop the tools they need to address Aotearoa New Zealand’s deeply rooted problems. We work to transform our society into one that is compassionate, inclusive, sustainable, equitable and connected.

OUR PURPOSE

Support and encourage a citizens uprising in the Aoteaora New Zealand involving low level and higher risk acts of civil disobedience by some (with others willing to support those that take actions). When ready, create a participatory, democratic process that discusses and improves a draft manifesto for change and a new constitution. This will involve creating a genuine democracy, alongside an economy to maximise well being and minimise harm.

 

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34 Comments

  1. Geoffrey

     /  5th October 2019

    Zealotry was ever blind to the truth

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  5th October 2019

      Witness Dear Little Greta screeching at people to stop fossil fuel production by 2028 when she had sailed to the venue on a boat made of fossil fuels that also had a diesel engine attached and using computers and other devices made of fossil fuels.

      I can’t imagine her wanting to do without computers, phones, televisions, most appliances, cars (unless we have the Flintstone models made of wood and propelled by the driver’s feet) and other things.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  5th October 2019

        If she is, in fact, willing to do as she tells others to do and stop using fossil fuels herself, I would be glad to hear when this was announced.

        None of the other strikers seem to be willing to stop using these things and go back to phones made of wood, letter writing as opposed to text or email and walking everywhere rather than use vehicles made from fossil fuels with engines.

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  2. Duker

     /  5th October 2019

    Dr Rotman, is running a business where she makes money advising on energy efficiency, an area she has worked on for some time but self taught. Her PhD is on things connected to coral reefs ( marine biology)

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  5th October 2019

    The obvious solution to their purported problem is to extinguish themselves and that does seem to be what they are proposing, albeit along with taking out the rest of us with them.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  5th October 2019

      I wonder if Dr Rotman was christened Sea.

      They may well do the cause more harm than good. Stopping traffic is likely to antagonise people; what if emergency vehicles need to get through ?

      This movement will probably go the way of Occupy.

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      • Maggy Wassilieff

         /  6th October 2019

        I wonder if Dr Rotman was christened Sea.

        She presented her Ph.D thesis under the name Sandra Rotmann.
        She was born in Austria and went to Queensland for her University study.
        Not sure how she ended up in NZ…but she has been around the South Wellington Coast area for 10+ years and has stood for Greens.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th October 2019

          It’s the Red Rocks fur seals I feel sorry for. That looks like one of their favourite rocks she’s taken over ! 😐

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  4. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  5th October 2019

    Perhaps we are all meant to be entertained and just enjoy the street theatre of the Climate-change activists

    Eat babies to save the world
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/03/aoc-follower-goes-berserk-in-town-hall-claims-we-have-to-eat-babies-to-survive-climate-change/
    (Bound to encourage young mums into the alarmist flock)

    Paint the Town red
    https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/10/03/watch-not-a-parody-extinction-rebellion-fake-blood-fire-hose-climate-protest-goes-comically-wrong/

    MUPPETS!

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  5th October 2019

      The babies thing seems to have been a satirist prank.

      How funny to see the man skipping out of the way on the video and people trying to pick up the hose.

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  5th October 2019

    “Planned climate extremist disruptions risk alienating wider support”

    Yep. Likewise extremist climate-change deniers …

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    • But there’s a big difference. Extremist climate-change deniers propose doing nothing, and are not out in numbers disrupting, protesting or campaigning for anything but the status quo. Changing nothing is a risk, but changing a lot without knowing where that may lead is a much bigger risk. What if we can’t slow down climate change but wreck our economic system so we can’t cope with or adapt to the changes?

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      • PartisanZ

         /  5th October 2019

        Good questions?

        Do you mean changing a lot like allowing GE/GMO so more and more plants (and animals?) can become resistant to disease, pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics, steroids and agri-chemicals.

        Changing a lot, and hence a form of extremism, goes both ways IMHO.

        We might equally make the economic system better!?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  5th October 2019

          Orh no, that’s Right, things can’t possibly be better than they are now! 😂😆😎

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          • Alloytoo

             /  5th October 2019

            Well things never have been better than now.

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          • Gezza

             /  5th October 2019

            One of the problems with this whole issue is the extent to which some climate alarmers (I’ll use that term instead of alarmists, because the latter has pejorative connotations that I personally don’t think apply to climate scientists & supporters who are expressing genuine alarm at the foretold consequences of doing too little about AGW, rather than continuous just exaggerating their dire predictions of Biblical proportion floods) conflate issues like pollution, & societal problems, & their political views with the Climate Change problem in discussions on how to mitigate it..

            Anything done in the GE/GMO arena is likeky to have no impact at all in preventibg or limiting AGWCC.

            In the economic arena, the system could certainly be better, but if it’s further buggered up without any coherent plan of change it’s almost guaranteed to get worse & not better, due to the flaws & frailties of the myriad tribes & cultures & demands of the human ape. Imo

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  5th October 2019

      People who doubt the effectiveness of trying to change the climate are not denying climate change, as has been said so often. It is cyclical and always has been.

      Whether people can change it is another matter.

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  6. Pink David

     /  5th October 2019

    “Dr Sea Rotmann”

    These are the people they are talking about when they start with ‘Scientists Say…..”

    “Extreme action and extreme demands are much easier to dismiss as extremist nutters.”

    They are not nutters. They simply want political power so they can reorganise society in the way they wish. As they cannot succeed at the ballot box, they seek other means.

    The nutters are the ones who enable them, and would allow them to succeed in this.

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    • Duker

       /  5th October 2019

      She wouldn’t know her clematis from the climate. Marine biology maybe. She and others like someone on this blog that other are so confused about what climate means and how CO2 works. The example was the claim the Amazon forests are the lungs of the world..it’s a common false belief. They just can’t understand that oxygen is something like 1 in 5 air molecules. While for CO2 is in the parts per million of air molecules.
      There is no way any forest no matter how productive could turns those tiny numbers of CO2 molecules into oxygen we breathe through our lungs … incidentally producing CO2 to the level of 1 in 25 or so .
      There seems to good evidence more CO2 and such will make the planet warmer but that has now gone off on to all sorts of other tangents that are just absurd….such as acid seas and frogs dying off or wombats no longer reproducing and similar gibberish. Someone here even jumped into an anti GMO speel , there may be or not be, good or bad reasons around such things but it’s just a reflex whataboutism that is in the context just stupid. The purpose is to make themselves seem clever…yet the result is to be out of their fepth

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      • Gezza

         /  5th October 2019

        The example was the claim the Amazon forests are the lungs of the world..it’s a common false belief.

        Don’t be a bigger pain in the arse than normal, bringing that up again ! I was just quoting a report on Aljaz tv using a common term they used that I regard as a simple bit of literary licence. Nobody is silly enuf to believe one can seriously anthropomorphise a bloody forest.

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        • Duker

           /  5th October 2019

          I deliberately left your name off that one…why show yourself to be an even bigger fool?
          It’s was typical of the nonsense around about CO2 …it’s not literary license at all it’s fake news

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          • Gezza

             /  5th October 2019

            It is literary kicense as far as I was concerned, but you bang on about it if you want. As is often the case with their reporting on Climate Climate change – they are now running a weekly Climate Emergency series – they didn’t even mention CO2. And, to be clear, they also routinely conflate other damaging environmental& social impact issues on native hunter gatherer tribal groups that accompany the current bursts of large scale deforestation being experienced in parts of the Amazon (& also recently) Indonesia.

            Nevertheless, the removal of huge amounts of forest must, in the short term at least, surely be having the effect of releasing a fair whack of sequestered CO2 & turning over huge swathes of cleared forest to beef & dairy farming be likely to increase emissions?

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            • Gezza

               /  5th October 2019

              They are calling this Clmate Emergency series Planet SOS. The name escaped me earlier. Here, from today, on their website, is a typical example of a weekly item, often added to a news segment:
              https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/planet-sos-science-save-rare-rhino-191005091537154.html

              I have noted that, as Corky complained the other day, there is never any comment from skeptical scientists on their climate reporting. They treat the issue as settled & feature only scientists who support the IPCC position.

              Although I’m a regular watcher of Aljazeera English tv, t’ve noted a range of inherent biases in some of their reporting, but as their ongoing coverage of significant & current world events is far more extensive than our tv news’s paltry efforts, I simply bear that in mind when watching.

        • Pink David

           /  6th October 2019

          “Nobody is silly enuf to believe one can seriously anthropomorphise a bloody forest.”

          The Amazon is not a forest, it’s an over grown garden.

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  7. NOEL

     /  5th October 2019

    So far its the worlds greatest contributors to emissions are doing nothing.
    Here medium to small business don’t have to register whilst everyone else passes the costs on. I don’t want farmers taxed because all it means is my meat costs will increase and add to the weekly car fill up, electricity charges. rates, rubbish dump charges etc etc.
    Nah I’ve gone off making further sacrifices for my future.

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    • Duker

       /  5th October 2019

      That too late , under the Paris Accord signed off by Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett who attended a CO2 equivalent for each farm animal has to be paid for . But instead of the bill going to Farmer Brown it’s paid for on his behalf by the taxpayers…so you ARE paying .
      Thinking of those holiday 4 lane motorways to roar out of the cities on? The general fuel taxes will pay $15 per trip per vehicle each way to the company which ‘owns the motorway’ but in addition under the Paris agreement made in 2017 the extra CO2 is paid for as well …maybe Ukraine gets it as they have de-industrialised

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  8. Missy

     /  6th October 2019

    Oh no, I feel for the people of Wellington if this loony lot are going to protest. They are planning disruptions in London for two weeks from Monday, and are looking to set up base camp not far from where I work, which means I will most likely have to find an alternative route into work.

    Extinction Rebellion have lost a lot of support in the UK, not least for a number of PR disasters after their last round of protests which included a man being too late to be with his father when he died because they had blocked the road and not traffic (not even Green buses) could get through, not to mention gluing themselves to the DLR (Docklands Light Rail) in London and preventing people from getting to work – the irony in that is that the DLR is the most environmentally friendly form of public transport in London with low to zero emissions. They are disruptive, and are seen to be just stopping ordinary people from going about their business, which is frustrating to many, and on top of it all they are costing the economy millions, if not billions.

    Their protests in April included Emma Thompson flying First Class from America for a couple of days to appear at their gathering to tell ordinary people not to fly, it also included their spokesperson taking a taxi from interview to interview so he wasn’t running late whilst telling people not to drive. They are hypocrites.

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  9. Gezza

     /  6th October 2019

    I see Prime TV tonight is showing Prime Planet: Climate Change – The Facts.

    Featuring insights from some of the wold’s leading climate scientists, Sir David Attenborough examines the facts behind climate change & potential solutions to this global threat.

    7.30 pm

    Should plenty for the AGW skeptics to train their sights on. Might have a shufti.

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  10. Gezza

     /  6th October 2019

    Christ ! 😠

    * Should BE plenty.

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    • Gezza

       /  6th October 2019

      Righto, I think I can manage a quick summary. Basically:

      Jim Hansen is the guru who predicted it all 30 or something years ago, so don’t bloody say you weren’t warned.

      When Greta’s teachers told her about climate change it caused her so much anxiety she stopped going out & stopped going to school. What was the point of studying for your future & learning about facts when tbe facts already say you have no future?

      If we don’t all immediately move to electric vehicles, solar & wind power on massive scales, stop eating air-freighted food (sea-freighted is ok) stop burning fossil fuels, stop buying cheap appliances, buying instead expensive ones & making them last & stop eating so much beef & dairy foods

      And if we don’t immediately start replanting forests everywhere

      we’re fucked.

      Don’t say you weren’t told. Attenborough has now told you !

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