Extinction Rebellion civil disobedience in Wellington today, aims remain vague

The worldwide attempt at revolution – using climate change as a reason to change established democratic and financial systems – hits Wellington today.

With the return of ‘weka’ The Standard has morphed into an anti-Government website in promoting the revolution: NRT: Climate Change: Join the rebellion, retweeting No Right Turn who says:

If you care about the climate crisis, and want the government to act, join in.

But if you read Extinction Rebellion’s vague aims they seem too want to overthrow the Government and impose some soort of people power.

 “…support and encourage a citizens’ uprising in Aotearoa New Zealand”.

“When ready, create a participatory, democratic process that discusses and improves a draft manifesto for change and a new constitution.

“This will involve creating a genuine democracy, alongside an economy to maximise well-being and minimise harm.”

They don’t explain how a ‘genuine democracy’ is created by revolution, nor what sort of democracy it would be. Neither do they want to explain at The Standard.

Weka (with help from Robert Guyton and Sacha) again show how intolerant extreme greens are of their messages being questioned, with lame attacks and threats of bans – see from here.

I note that until I posted a comment at 12:30 pm yesterday there had been no comments on the post that was up at 7:10 am. It appears to be not a popular topic. What was popular was dumping on me for asking questions.

Weka promotes today’s protests under her own name today: Extinction Rebellion on Lambton Quay, in which she says:

In case it’s not clear, the objective here is to cause as much disruption to the state as possible until it changes. Affecting the consumer economy, sustained tying up of the courts and eating into the police budget, along with regular disruptions to the normal business of city life, are potent motivators for change. Key to XR’s strategy is the research that shows sustained actions from 3.5% of a nation’s population have never failed to effect radical change.

Time will tell whether they manage to get large numbers to sustain their actions.

And whether they will succeed in getting our Government and our MPs to decided to hand over all their power and baubles to ‘the people’.

XR are not presenting a complex, detailed plan of what we should do. That’s for our governments.

They don’t seem to be presenting any plan, just vague aims. I’m not sure how disruptive protests will convince the New Zealand Government to work out a complex detailed plan to relinquish their party based power, and their jobs.

They’re also saying that in that process we should shift to more participatory democracy rather than relying on simple representative democracy (which patently isn’t working and isn’t suitable to the task at hand given the timeframes).

Our current representative democracy isn’t exactly simple, but it is patently working. It just isn’t doing what the Rebels want it to do.

Promoting some vague sort of “more participatory democracy” will probably struggle to get wide public (or MP) support.

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  1. Gezza

     /  7th October 2019

    🐿 🐒 🌰🌰🌰🌰 🐒🐿

    Nutters. 😐

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    • Ray

       /  7th October 2019

      Once again the 10% (barely 1%) telling the rest of us how to live our lives.
      I don’t care how many times they claim democracy as their own that is not how it works.
      And again it is “what we say pm not what we do”
      Check out the nz climate scientist who gave up for a year but has now resumed the evil practice 🤣.

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      • Gezza

         /  7th October 2019

        Why do “first aiders” help unglue the plonkers who glued their hands to the glass doors of buildings? Aren’t those glues usually made from fossil fuel products? Won’t the solvents be too? Why not just leave them stuck there until they figure out some climate friendly solution.

        Maybe once they really have had to leave some ‘skin in the game’, they won’t be daft enuf to do that again? 😳

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th October 2019

          I notice that the girl holding a No Coal sign is wearing sunglasses. The odds against these not being made from fossil fuels are enormous. They will be made of the same stuff as mine are; some sort of plastic.

          If they weren’t unglued, the glue might well stay on the glass and be either impossible or a real pain in the bum to remove. I would charge the buggers if their glue ruined my glass.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th October 2019

          These glues are, of course, man-made, so are likely to be something like fossil-fuel based,

          Like dear little Greta, these people are sloppy thinkers who haven’t thought what life would be like if no fossil fuel products were available.

          I can’t imagine them wanting to give up their phones, computers and so on…and travel around in Fred Flinstone cars.

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          • Gezza

             /  7th October 2019

            Did you see this, currently doing the rounds on the internet?

            A bit cruel perhaps, but I did have a chuckle. I thought it was quite clever. 😀

            Swedish Death Metal Greta

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            • Very clever; her nasty, bad-tempered little face lends itself well to that.

              What a horrid little girl she is.

  2. NOEL

     /  7th October 2019

    Is Minto a member?

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    • Gezza

       /  7th October 2019

      I’ve certainly heard & seen some people say they reckon he’s a rght member. I sure thought so when he made one of himself harrassing that poor Israeli tennis player. 😐

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  3. Gezza

     /  7th October 2019

    Actually Pete, it looks to me like you got a bit of a fairer shot over there today, with at least some of your questions getting answers. Even Guyton, once he got past the usual knee jerk childish snark suggested talking to some NZ residents from Kiribati & other Pacific Islands about the climate crisis (rising seas) they are experiencing because it impacts their families back home, and talking to some Dunedin South Residents.

    Zedd would probably have some thoughts on that last point, if he was still posting here.

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    • Trevors_elbow

       /  7th October 2019

      South Dunedin is a reclaimed swamp with poorly maintained drains and storm water systems…..why bring that up again?

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      • Gezza

         /  7th October 2019

        👍🏼

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      • Gezza

         /  7th October 2019

        That’s true enuf, Trev. I don’t much care if it’s also subject to a rising sea level, so cursed on two fronts, as I don’t live there. Residents can debate that one.

        I see little to no evidence of significant sea level rise anywhere in Welly, nor in New Plymouth, where I come from, but where decades of natural erosion from huge unbroken Tasman swells & surf is simply continuing as it has probably done for centuries.

        I mentionSouth Dunedin only because I’m referring to an answer Guyton or someone else gave to a question of Pete’s over at TS.

        So pour yourself a cold one & relax. All is well at Pookden.

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        • Griff.

           /  9th October 2019

          Yip some knob on the interwebs feels vrs actual measurements….

          Extreme ocean winds and wave heights are increasing around the globe, with the largest rise occurring in the Southern Ocean, University of Melbourne research shows.

          Researchers Ian Young and Agustinus Ribal, from the University’s Department of Infrastructure Engineering, analysed wind speed and wave height measurements taken from 31 different satellites between 1985-2018, consisting of approximately 4 billion observations.

          The measurements were compared with more than 80 ocean buoys deployed worldwide, making it the largest and most detailed dataset of its type ever compiled.

          The researchers found that extreme winds in the Southern Ocean have increased by 1.5 metres per second, or 8 per cent, over the past 30 years. Extreme waves have increased by 30 centimetres, or 5 per cent, over the same period.

          https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190425143540.htm

          Sea level rise from NASA. NZ has experienced more rise than most places.
          https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/11927

          I sat and watched the spring high tide last week here at Kaiwaka.
          You could see it is getting higher than it historical has been because it flooded pasture land. Pasture grasses do not grow well were salt water floods regularly. Instead you usually get Apodasmia similis at the tidal margins around here as it copes with salt water better .

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          • Gezza

             /  9th October 2019

            Speaking of knobs, & feelz, how are you Griff? Good to see you’re still around, & continuing your charm offensive. 👍🏼

            Place has been a bit quiet with one of our other regulars still having a sulk, by the look of it.

            I said I have not noticed any significant sea level rise in either of the two places mentioned, & the fact is, I haven’t.

            That is not to say it isn’t happening, in some small way not yet readily visible to the naked eye in either place, nor that some coastal land not previously subject to notable erosion or inundation might not be seeing some sea water incursion. There has been evidence of that in one or two places on the idiot box.

            But there has still not been the metres deep coastal inundation predicted by now in the many early climate alarmer predictions & this is one of the problems the IPCC has to accept when faced with claims from AGW / Sea Level Rise skeptics. The climate scientists making such predictions got it wrong. Therefore they have to expect the Boy Who Cried Wolf reaction from skeptics.

            The amounts of both temperature increase & sea level rise are generally both still in the infinitesimally small range overall.

            However, I personally think the IPCC is probably correct, although their time scales are still shaky. So I am mainly watching out for significant, sustained, country-wide, SLR & observing the frequency, size & number of superstorms occurring as my best visual guide to whether predictions are now noticeably coming true. 😎

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            • Griff.

               /  9th October 2019

              Wanna know why I called you a knob ?

              But there has still not been the metres deep coastal inundation predicted by now in the many early climate alarmer predictions

              Behold… what was predicted .

              When you repeat denial fud you get called on it .

            • Gezza

               /  9th October 2019

              Wanna know why I called you a knob ?
              No. I know why you do that. It’s to do with your lifetime of frustration & anger with anyone who disagrees with you on anything you feel strongly about. It’s deep-seated & most likely dates right back to your childhood when you were treatec as a weird kid.

            • Gezza

               /  9th October 2019

              *treated

  4. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  7th October 2019

    A chap who can’t run an economic Organic vege business decides to change the World
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/extinction-rebellion-roger-hallam-llandeilo-16974335

    and a chappess who became enlightened after ingesting psychedelics realises she can make a packet from jumping on the bandwagon…..
    https://www.whatisemerging.com/opinions/psychedelics-and-social-change

    and hey presto….folks flock to the cause…

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    • Pink David

       /  7th October 2019

      Don’t knock the psychedelics, there are some levels of crazy even they cannot cure.

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    • Pink David

       /  7th October 2019

      Just to add, there is solid science on positive effects of psychedelics. There is no science, however, that provides any evidence that they can make people smarter.

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  5. Pink David

     /  7th October 2019

    “”They don’t explain how a ‘genuine democracy’ is created by revolution, nor what sort of democracy it would be. Neither do they want to explain at The Standard.”

    I’d suggest their idea of a ‘genuine democracy’ would look a lot like this;

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  7th October 2019

    Promoting some vague sort of “more participatory democracy” will probably struggle to get wide public (or MP) support.

    Understated much. On the plus side, could a sit down strike in Wellington at present do anything but increase national productivity?

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  7. Gezza

     /  7th October 2019

    White House: Turkey to begin military operation in northern Syria
    American troops ‘will no longer be in the immediate area’ casting uncertainty on fate of their Kurdish allies.

    Turkey will soon invade northern Syria, the White House announced, casting uncertainty on the fate of Kurdish fighters allied with the US in the campaign against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS).

    American forces “will not support or be involved in the operation” and “will no longer be in the immediate area”, press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement late on Sunday (0300 GMT Monday).

    It was not clear whether that meant the United States would withdraw its 1,000 or so troops completely from northern Syria.

    “Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into northern Syria,” said the statement.

    Grisham said following a call between President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey is to take custody of foreign fighters captured in the US-led campaign against ISIL, who have been held by Kurdish forces supported by the US.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/white-house-turkey-military-operation-northern-syria-191007034354242.html

    I wonder how long this policy announcement stands for before a twit’s tweet changes everything & / or confuses everyone again?

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    • Gezza

       /  7th October 2019

      😬 Whoops – wrong page. Don’t read that! 🙄

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th October 2019

        All right, I won’t.

        Does anyone know why emails have the message about not reading this email if you’re not the person who’s meant to have it AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE ?

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  8. Missy

     /  7th October 2019

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    • Missy

       /  7th October 2019

      Reports are that they have completely blocked Westminster Bridge and stopped all traffic, this will block access for all emergency vehicles going to St Thomas’s Hospital on the south side of Westminster Bridge.

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      • Gezza

         /  8th October 2019

        Might have a quick look on Aljaz tv before I hit the sack. See what shenanigans the London lot got up to. There was an item on them earlier but I was busy.

        “A day of disruption saw about 30 arrests as climate change group Extinction Rebellion took to Wellington’s streets to demand action on climate change.

        On Monday, the arrests occurred at 5pm at the intersection of Lambton Quay, Bowen St and Whitmore St, as about 36 protesters linked arms and sat in the middle of the road.

        Evening commuter traffic, including buses, ground to a halt as hundreds of protesters surrounded the group occupying the intersection, singing and pounding drums as a chilling southerly bore down.

        About 30 protesters were arrested after sitting in the middle of the road during a climate change protest.

        Occupiers did not resist arrest, instead walking peacefully amid applause and encouragement from fellow protesters, toward police trucks on the northern end of Lambton Quay.” – Stuff.co
        … … ….
        Poor old coppers. End of a long day & they have to take the rubbish away before going home ! 😉

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  9th October 2019

        I wonder what would have happened had the owners of the cars to which the protestors had chained themselves had hopped in and started up the engines to give them the fright of their lives. The protestors, of course, won’t own cars because of the effect of emissions.

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    • Pink David

       /  8th October 2019

      Doomsday cultists.

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