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7 October 2019

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  1. Gezza

     /  7th October 2019

    Reposted:
    Alan Wilkinson / 7th October 2019
    A blue moon event has occured – our MSM have printed an intelligent, rational article about Trump:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12274032

    It must surely have been a mistake.
    … … … …
    Gezza / 7th October 2019
    “Take outs” as los Americanos say:

    “I can agree with all the criticisms of Trump — he has a million and one flaws. But if you look at the need to reform a system that’s broken, then there is scope to suggest that a Trump-like figure was inevitable. Perhaps necessary,” Rogers says.

    Democrats are playing to Mr Trump’s script, he says. “I see it as being something Trump moves on from, and it becomes a narrative of ‘look what else I can survive’.”

    But Trump is himself struggling. He is not winning as much as promised. People are sick of not winning.

    So, the future of the United States probably lies in the hands of the next president.
    “What the next president, whoever that might be, on whatever side, takes from this cataclysm in American politics is the real question,” Dr Rogers says. “Whatever comes next is a fascinating and open question. And it’s a dangerous question.”

    “American politics is much more based on informal conventions than people often realise,” Rogers says. “The American system is famous for its formal conventions of separation of powers and the three branches of government and so forth. But really, its founding documents deal with much more subtle aspects of the American Republic.”

    The US Constitution was written to establish a democratic system intended to operate as a perpetual machine. “But they knew it would require a little bit of a nudge now and then to keep it operating,” Dr Rogers says. “And that’s really what the office of the presidency is supposed to be about.”

    The United States is grappling with itself, he says. And that is precisely what democratic systems were intended to do.

    “For all the ugliness, all the disruption, and all the farce we see going on — this could actually be an open, Democratic-Republican system trying to grapple with itself,” Dr Rogers says. “It’s trying to reject entrenched interests, which is precisely what the founders of the US Constitution wanted to guard against.”

    Such a system embraces drama. It also contains it, within a constitutional script. “We might be watching the US system just wriggling its way out of a terrible spot. And that’s going to be ugly. There’s going to be a lot of broken eggshells, and a lot of stakeholders disenfranchised. But that might just be the natural workings of an open system.

    “There’s scope to be optimistic about what’s happening, I think.”

    “Too many people lurch towards favouring something autocratic and authoritarian because of the veneer of it,” Rogers says. “On the face of it, it can look neat and efficient. But underneath, all systems of government are shambolic.” And history shows us, the more authoritarian a system, the more shambolic it becomes.

    “American life looks shambolic now — it is shambolic. The same goes for the UK and many other democracies around the world. But it’s good that shambles is out in the open.”

    “And that’s — whether you like it or not — that’s just a fundamental fact of American life. And those voices behind Trump are not only financially and economically marginalised, but they feel themselves being marginalised politically and culturally.

    “A lot of this backlash is just spring-back from that. And a marketplace of ideas should be a contact sport to prevent it from becoming an open conflict.”

    Which is why Dr Rogers says he’s inclined to look at the bright side of the unfolding White House tale. “This could all end up returning politics to the people,” he adds.

    Yes, I think it’s good to see a commenter who can see beyond the mess Trump is making, & still envisage & hope that somehow, when he’s finally turfed out, the system will somehow start to work to everyone’s benefit & not just Trump & co & the reprehensible financialists, pollies, & globalists again.

    He doesn’t offer anything in the way of solid evidence to support that hope, but at least he’s not suffering from TBS, or from hysteria, paranoia or depression.

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  2. Gezza

     /  7th October 2019

    Reposted:

    Alan Wilkinson / 7th October 2019
    Iran cyber-attacking Trump’s campaign and Microsoft protecting it:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cybersecurity-iran-exclusive/trump-re-election-campaign-targeted-by-iran-linked-hackers-sources-idUSKBN1WJ1ZM

    … … … …

    Gezza / 7th October 2019
    Well, given the all out economic war Trump’s waging on them, & coercing other countries into waging on them too, I guess that, & other asymmetric attacks as well, are to expected. They might be a theocracy but one doubts they’d figure they should just sit on their arses & wait for Allah sort the Great Satan out on his own.

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    • Gezza

       /  7th October 2019

      These things happen when you live in a country full of gun owners & loudly argumentative rellies & neighbours. Gun nuts eh? Wonder what Corky would make of this one – and the other case mentioned – where the mother shot her daughter who’d returned home early from college?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th October 2019

        Thank goodness that one wasn’t fatal.

        The father-in-law must be a paranoid loony; I can’t think why he hasn’t been charged with careless use of a gun if nothing else.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  7th October 2019

          Kitty its tRumps USA, shoot a person…WHATS A PERSON…wheres the USA, most righties wouldnt give a f*uk,orange blinds them

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  7th October 2019

            The PDTs must agree with the idea that it’s all right to shoot an innocent person.

            Love to Old Velvet Ears.

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    • duperez

       /  7th October 2019

      We’re in a world where the genre is short stories not ‘Breeze Avenue’ length works or the ‘Epistemological Problems of Economics.’ We’re more likely to hear or see in the media that Adrian Orr prefers banana on his toast rather than peanut butter.

      Michael Reddell sort of acknowledged the limitations of the RNZ format and Espiner’s interview with Orr. He still wasn’t satisfied that in the context Orr didn’t try to make a ‘serious sustained analytical case for the specific policy he is pursuing.’

      If Orr were to chuck the job in on the strength of the criticism in the past two days it is a sure bet that whomever were appointed, acting in ways to support some of the approaches and views of Orr’s critics, would be subjected to equal amounts of criticism.

      There are more views on economics, how things should be done and why, and what it all means as there are economists. There are political taints, there are professional jealousies.
      Isn’t all just business as usual?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  7th October 2019

        No, it isn’t business as usual when the RB Governor starts threatening journalists, economists, directors and banks.

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        • Gezza

           /  7th October 2019

          🤔 You’re right. It’s usually the other way around. 😐

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        • Duker

           /  7th October 2019

          Word threatening wasn’t t used.
          Big companies do call up journalists and editirs all the time when their businesses aren’t covered favourably…Telecom was notorious, but I doubt much has changed.
          Key of course used back channels all the time to manipulate coverage.
          It’s clearly the Australian banks have declared total war on Orr. Yet they have no credibility after the Revelations in Australia, with a similar management style and culture here in NZ

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  8th October 2019

            You don’t use the word threaten when you threaten someone. Not sure why you think banks have less credibility than their failed regulators.

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  3. Gezza

     /  7th October 2019

    White House: Turkey to begin military operation in northern Syria
    American troops ‘will no longer be in the immediate area’ casting uncertainty on fate of their Kurdish allies.

    Turkey will soon invade northern Syria, the White House announced, casting uncertainty on the fate of Kurdish fighters allied with the US in the campaign against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS).

    American forces “will not support or be involved in the operation” and “will no longer be in the immediate area”, press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement late on Sunday (0300 GMT Monday).

    It was not clear whether that meant the United States would withdraw its 1,000 or so troops completely from northern Syria.

    “Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into northern Syria,” said the statement.

    Grisham said following a call between President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey is to take custody of foreign fighters captured in the US-led campaign against ISIL, who have been held by Kurdish forces supported by the US.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/white-house-turkey-military-operation-northern-syria-191007034354242.html

    I wonder how long this policy announcement stands for before a twit’s tweet changes everything & / or confuses everyone again?

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    • Duker

       /  7th October 2019

      Once again Turkey gets a free pass for it military operations on a nieghbour, unlike when Russia dies it.
      Turkey still is in occupation of part of it’s neighbour ,and Commonwealth country Cyprus and NZ like Australia and UK does nothing

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      • Gezza

         /  7th October 2019

        Well, to be purely objective about it, the neighbour, Assad, Is an international pariah except with Russia, & so long as those two don’t use chemical weapons on their rebel groups & upset Ivanka again, there’s little likelihood of Trump giving a toss about what happens.

        He has no care for “friends”, like the Kurds, who took this sector from IS & have so far kept it out of Assad’s bloody hands. In fact his simple mind still probably thinks the Americans defeated IS, that’s why he keeps wanting to bring their truppen home, job done!

        Somebody in his military / diplomatic establishment persuaded him not to pull the troops out just yet the last time the twat said in an unexpected tweet said that he’d decided to, but given that he can do a 180° turn on any issue while sitting on the bog, or after watching Tucker Carlson on Fox, or after a “beautiful” phone call with any national leader he thinks is a strong man & leave his advisers scrambling, the Kurds haven’t got much show of retaining Trump’s US’s patronage for long.

        Erdogan’s exploiting his flaws.

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  4. Gezza

     /  8th October 2019

    Trouble at t’ mill …

    😮 Massive NZ First Privacy Breach Leak

    A massive leak of NZ First members’ personal details has been sent to news media in a major privacy breach.

    The databases sent include the names, occupation, phone numbers, addresses, and paid membership status of more than a thousand people affiliated with the political party – including Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and his partner Jan Trotman.

    The information was sent along with a bundle of other documents in an email to Stuff, several other media outlets, and MPs Simon Bridges, Paula Bennett, and David Seymour.

    The leak is the latest in an ongoing saga challenging the unified appearance of a party known for strong leadership from Peters.

    Last week, NZ First president Lester Gray resigned for “moral” reasons, saying he refused to sign off financial reports due to being kept in the dark on the party’s expenditure and donations.

    A leak followed, featuring complaints about how the party had conducted internal selection for election contenders.

    A spokesman for the party said Peters “has no comment to make about this or any other matter associated with leaked historic party material”.

    The latest anonymous leak features a proposed 2017 election hoarding, claimed to have been dismissed by party members and candidates for its racist implications. The hoarding design says: “It’s about you, not them”.

    MORE FROM
    HENRY COOKE • SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER
    henry.cooke@stuff.co.nz
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116409225/major-leak-of-nz-first-membership-database-exposes-personal-details

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    • Gezza

       /  8th October 2019

      This never even rated a mention on 1news. They were more interested in the price of P plummetting.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  8th October 2019

        Ditto New Shub.

        My area is now the cheapest for it, or one of the cheapest. $450 a gram. That’s $450,000 a kg.I don’t know how much of that’s profit, but even if only half was…

        Even if only 10% was profit, that’s huge.

        We never hear of the synthetic ‘cannabis’ now. Why ?

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        • Gezza

           /  8th October 2019

          Yeah, we do. It got a mention a werk or two ago, I think, on some 1news item. Still some bad shit out there causing mayhem & putting some very sick & disturbed users into EDs.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  9th October 2019

            I must have missed that. You’d have to wonder what sort of loony would use it in the first place.

            The PDTs are probably on something.

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  5. Gezza

     /  10th October 2019

    Hosking takes another slash at NZF’s coalition government re-set: the promise of a fully EV government car fleet by 2025.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/video/mikes-minute-governments-ev-backdown-yet-another-embarrassment/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  11th October 2019

      Do that which I say, not that which I do,
      Or; all hui and no do-ey.

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  6. The businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, were arrested and charged in connection with a federal criminal case involving campaign finance laws, federal prosecutors in Manhattan said. Each was charged with two counts of conspiracy, one count of false statements and one of falsification of business records.

    The two men were donors to a pro-Trump fundraising committee and the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has said they helped him as he sought to investigate former Vice President Biden and Biden’s son Hunter.

    Parnas is a Ukrainian businessman. Fruman is a real estate investor who was born in Belarus. Both, according to various media accounts, helped introduce Giuliani into top Ukrainian political circles.

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    • So three days ago, the lawyer for Parnas and Fruman says they won’t testify.

      -> Then the White House releases Pat Cipollone’s letter refusing to cooperate.

      -> Then Rudy lunches with Parnas and Fruman at Trump International Hotel, across the road from the DoJ

      -> Then Parnas and Fruman are arrested at Dulles International Airport, where they are trying to flee the country….

      Add to that lots of talk on the airwaves about Parnas and Fruman funneling foreign money into federal and state Republican election campaigns (including Kevin McCarthy, Pete Sessions, Ron deSantis, Mitch McConnell, Adam Laxalt, Wes Duncan)…

      … and the outright gall it took for Parnas and David Correia (also indicted with Parnas and Fruman, but evidently still on the run) to name their company Fraud Guarantee.

      —–

      Aaaaand here we go… the Department Of Justice indictment confirms that President Trump’s anti-Biden propagandists Parnas and Fruman were employed by a Russian.
      https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6466334/U-S-v-Lev-Parnas-Et-Al-Indictment.pdf

      I think Rudy is in deep trouble. Along with several other Republicans. And potentially Trump as well.

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  7. Gezza

     /  12th October 2019

    For the nature lovers

    9.45 am this morning, Gezza’s Stream, Pookden Manor, Tawa

    I went looking for my “wild pet” native longfin eel (te tuna kuwharuwharu), Elvira but she wasn’t there this morning. I tossed two dog roll chunks in the water anyway, to see if that would bring her up from downstream somewhere when she tasted the scent. A mallard drake upended and got one of them, but the other one, right below the Eel Spot, was too deep for the little thief.

    The scent from that one did bring up the biggest Australasian Shortfin eel I’ve ever seen. It’s not my regular visitor friend, Granville – he’s only a third this one’s size. This one is at least a metre long, probably a bit longer – very big, for an Australasian Shortfin.

    While I was enjoying feeding this beautiful, graceful, strong, blotched green & yellow fish I suddenly heard and saw a tremendous splashing in the rapids downstream. I thought was my four foot girl, Elvira, and was expecting trouble.

    It wasn’t Elvira. It was her big sister Ella, who I haven’t seen since January 2019. She was big then, but is now bloody HUGE. I know it’s her because of the beauty spot on her upper body, just alongside the start of her dorsal fin, & because she remembered the feeding procedure. She came straight to the surface to feed, not down to the bottom, like most eels automatically do when they get the scent of meat chunks in the water.

    The battle was over in seconds, seeing the victor, Ella, the River Shark, is now as big as a Great White, in eel terms. You really have to see this eel in the flesh to believe how big she is. Probably none of us could get both our hands around her head, or her middle. Magnificent creature. (Elvira’s much better-looking tho. 😉 )

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  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  12th October 2019

    The right person won the Nobel Peace Prize.

    One Ewes claimed that Jacinda Ardern was shortlisted; as the nominees are not announced for fifty years after the award, and there doesn’t seem to be a shortlist anyway, it’s hard to see how they knew that.

    As neither she nor Little Greta fitted the criteria, they are unlikely to have been serious contenders.

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    • Gezza

       /  12th October 2019

      Has Trump tweeted, complaining that it should have been him yet? 😳

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  13th October 2019

        Dunno, I don’t use Twittier,

        Probably…but as it’s the Peace Prize, not the Nastiest Piece of Work Prize, he wasn’t likely to be a contendor.

        Some people do seem to have no idea what it’s about; if they read the criteria, they’d see that it wasn’t sexism or ageism or racism that kept Jacinda and Greta out; it was the fact that neither of them has done anything that would make them suitable recipients of the PEACE Prize….by definition, it goes to someone who has brought peace to somewhere.

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        • Gezza

           /  13th October 2019

          Huh? Barack Obama got one for not being George W Bush, from what I could see.
          He personally ordered more individual murders that any other US President in history, I read somewhere, because he authorised all the drone strike executions.

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  9. Gezza

     /  13th October 2019

    Labour & Ardern go down in poll

    “Labour’s popularity has fallen in the latest Newshub Reid Research poll. 
    It’s sitting at 41.6 per cent, down 9.2 per cent in the latest poll. National’s support rose to 43.9, up 6.5 per cent.

    That makes National the largest party, but it still doesn’t have the numbers to form a government.

    The poll would likely mean the next Government would be led by Labour and backed by the Greens, whose polling held firm at 6.3 per cent. 

    Labour’s current coalition partners, NZ First would be out of Parliament, with the party polling at just 4 per cent, up 1.2 per cent on the last poll. 

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has also suffered a drop in support as preferred prime minister, although she is still well ahead of National leader Simon Bridges. 

    Her support is down 10.6 points to 38.4 per cent, while Bridges was up 2.5 per cent to 6.7.”

    More …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116547348/labour-pm-down-in-latest-poll

    Is the Reid Reseach poll very accurate, tho?

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  10. Missy

     /  14th October 2019

    1345 in London on Sunday, and I am only saying one thing. OMG Japan!!!

    Brilliant game, and they had it won in the first 40 mins in my opinion.

    This can only be good for Rugby, having Japan not only qualify for the quarters, but qualify top of their pool.

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