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14 October 2019

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  1. Ray

     /  14th October 2019

    Lots of trumpeting about Peter Jackson buying* a mayoralty, very little about both Labour and the Unions supporting the incumbent, though they were a bit mean about how much they were prepared to spend.
    Nothing about Mayor Lester coverup for the Greens and the general mess that Wellington has fallen into.
    * Apparently part of $50000, not all of it was donated by Peter Jackson and his close associates. If that is all it takes I am going to buy a couple next election.

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    • I don’t see how they could ‘buy’ it; they can’t force people to vote one way or the other. That sounds like the unions and Labour being poor losers; Justin Lester didn’t come across like that.

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    • Blazer

       /  21st October 2019

      Ray ,I say Ray…for $100k the Natz will give you an M.P seat!!!

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  2. Gezza

     /  14th October 2019

    I see Turkey has defeated the US in Northern Syria. Trump’s pulled 1,000 of their troops out as the Erdogan’s blitzkeig rolls on & they were going to get cut off by the Turkish forces.

    Kurds are claiming hundreds of IS supporters have broken out of a camp & only a few recaptured (Erdogan reckons it’s disinformation, but he would say that…).

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th October 2019

      Trump figures Muslims killing each other- what’s not to like? No sign of any other countries rushing to stop it either.

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      • Gezza

         /  14th October 2019

        What are you talking about? He’s just last week sent a whole lot of truppen to Saudi Arabia, seeing those tossers couldn’t fight their way out of a cardboard box.

        He’s dumped on the good guys & instead hired the US military out to a bunch of ratbags..

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  14th October 2019

          Who pinged the Iranian oil tanker?

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          • Gezza

             /  14th October 2019

            Dunno. Pretty obvious the Iranians were pinging the other ones earlier, dedpite their denials.

            Most likely the Saudis, despite their denials. They both lie like flatfish, those two regimes.

            It would help the Saudis put some pressure on the US Moron-in-Chief to hurry up & send those US defence forces to Arabia, seeing they’ve shown themselves incapable of even defending their own oil facilities well inside their own borders from a few goat-herders with drones.

            There’s an outside chance it could be the Israelis, I suppose. Bibi’s been trying to suck the US into joining them in attacking Iran for years. If it was them, might have been hoping the Iranians will start a war by retaliating against the Saudis. I doubt it, but I wouldn’t completely rule it out.

            What’s your theory?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th October 2019

              Pretty obvious the Saudis did it probably with US support which is why the US troops were sent in. US wanted a quid pro quo for the oil well attacks without risking a full out Saudi-Iran war. Makes perfect sense.

            • Gezza

               /  14th October 2019

              With US support? When Trump’s doing everything he can to avoid actually starting shooting wars & can’t help himself – has to puff & boast when he authorises, or does, anything at all. Makes no sense.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th October 2019

              He couldn’t boast about it if the US was trying to control not provoke Iran.

            • Gezza

               /  14th October 2019

              How could he not? Boasting is in his DNA.

          • It’s ironic that at the same time as President Trump is pulling troops out of Syria ostensibly to reduce America’s ongoing costs of involvement in the greater Middle East, he is sending 1,800 troops to KSA to prop up that murderous regime.

            As Gezza points out, he’s dumped on the good guys and hired the US military out to a bunch of ratbags.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th October 2019

              I’ll take you and Gezza seriously when you make the case that NZers should be sent to help defend the Kurds.

            • Gezza

               /  14th October 2019

              Up to Pinky’s tricks now, eh? Introducing irrelevancies to distract fromTrump’s chaotic, inconsistent policymaking & moral & ethical bankruptcy.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th October 2019

              Perfectly self-referencing, G: introducing irrelevant distractions.

            • Thanks for your support Gazza – as for Alan taking us ‘seriously’, sorry but I don’t need his validation or his ad hom nonsense.

              The facts remain that Trump’s dumped on the Kurds who helped him defeat ISIS, and he’s hired the US military out to a bunch of ratbags in KSA.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th October 2019

              Good to know you expect Americans to fight your wars for you, Ishmael. Typical Lefty morality.

            • duperez

               /  14th October 2019

              A mixing bowl for the words Turkey, Saudi Arabia, IS, Northern Syria, Erdogan, Kurds and whatever else.

              Another bowl for the comments on here from different sides: “Trump’s chaotic, inconsistent policymaking & moral & ethical bankruptcy” and “introducing irrelevant distractions.”

              What do you get? How convenient that at a time of all the impeachment talk and daily dramas around Giuliani et al we have something else in the oven.

            • Gezza

               /  14th October 2019

              Well of course. Trump would be perfectly happy to throw any “friend”, supporter, partner or ally under the bus to create yet another distraction to save his own arse or for his own narcissistic advantage. He’s been doing it since he got his fat butt into the Oval Office, & probably most of his life.

            • Duker

               /  14th October 2019

              Alan , old chap, Your Trump has reversed himself again, this time sending more even more US troops to Saudi Arabia.
              And the kurds have decided Assad and and Putin are <better their only bet and thrown their lot in with them.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th October 2019

              @duker, no, Trump has consistently advocated getting US troops out of other people’s wars. Actually if you note my post above the troops in Saudi are there to avoid a war also.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th October 2019

              Another simple question for Trump’s critics: how long would the US have to stay in Syria to defend the Kurds from the Turks?

            • Gezza

               /  14th October 2019

              Given that the Houthis are unconcerned about the Saudis committing war crimes & happy to attack them in their own country, without fear of retaliation, they are most unlikely to worry about continuing to attack them just because Trump’s let the Saudis hire US troops from him to protect their stuff.

              With typical Trumpian muddle-headedness & shameless hypocrisy he’s been happy to pull US troops out of Northern Syria (the Turks started shelling around some of them) to avoid fighting & put them into Murdering-MBS-land where they’ll be doing most of it, seeing MBS’s military’s not up to the job.

              But you carry on making up excuses for Trump whatever the ass does anyway, Al. God knows you & the equally besotted Pinky have had enuf practice.

            • Gezza

               /  14th October 2019

              Another simple question for Trump’s critics: how long would they have to stay in Syria to defend the Kurds from the Turks?

              As long as it took, Al. All he had there was a token force, & that’s all he needed – until Erdogan obviously told him: “We’re going in, so get out or we’ll kick your ass.”

              Here’s a question for you, Al. How many US bases are there around the world, how many troops are there, & how kong will they need to stay there to defend the local populations against their threats & enemies?

            • Gezza

               /  14th October 2019

              Bugger.
              *kong = long

  3. lurcher1948

     /  14th October 2019

    The American police, there to serve and protect , unless you are a rookie with a gun, out to shoot someone,anyone
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/atatiana-jefferson-killed-by-police-fort-worth-texas_n_5da24aa5e4b02c9da04b6142

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  14th October 2019

      Outrageous, she was just walking past a window in her own house, minding her own business and was shot without warning by a policeman. Is walking around one’s own house a crime in the US now ?

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  14th October 2019

    GEZZA im need help in converting image links to actual pictures, MY SWEET JESS (JESS) her NZKC name i would love just to show her picture but im to thick

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    • Gezza

       /  14th October 2019

      Gorgeous pic, great action shot, neighbour. Hang on…

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    • Gezza

       /  14th October 2019

      When you want to post a pic here, just go to this site & either upload the image from your lappy or device, OR copy & paste the facebook or other site’s pic URL, Lurchy. You don’t have to add any meme text, you can just hit “Create meme” & it will create an image with a URL ending in “.jpg”, which is what you need for the link to display on YNZ.

      You may need to open the first image you get, or right click on “Copy image address” to get a url ending in “.jpg”, but it shouldn’t take you long to figure it out.

      Also, clicking on “More options” and ticking the box “Use resolution of original template …” will get you a big image, like your original one.

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  5. Gezza

     /  14th October 2019

    1New’s tonite: Colmar Brunton’s latest poll – consistent with Newshub Reid Research’s the other night – shows a significant drop in Labour Support & preferred PM – with National polling high enuf to form a government alone with one ACT seat.

    Bridges’ personal support has risen to 9, well ahead of Collins (4, I think) but still lagging well behind Ardern, despite her personal score dropping. Jessica Mutch McKay, their political editor, said Labour & Jacinda have lost some of their middle-aged female support.

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    • Duker

       /  14th October 2019

      Not significant Gezza. Labour down 1% and National up 2% is effectively no change as it’s within the margin of error of their previous poll.
      Add up all the government parties you get 51%. No change .

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      • Gezza

         /  14th October 2019

        Yep, fair enuf, Dukers. I was basing my first comment on Jess’s breathlessly excited commentary when I watched it down at ma’s. Item one on te news.

        But when I found the clip & saw the image those movements aren’t all that much. What interested me was that it showed some consistency with Newshub Reid Research’s results from – was it last night or the night before ? – which had them dropping in support as well.

        I haven’t gone back & compared the two yet. Those two’s previous poll, reported on the same night, were wildly inconsistent.

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  6. Duker

     /  14th October 2019

    Trump’s peacekeepers ?
    Since ISIS was defeated in Syria wasn’t that their role there too, in tiny numbers along the Turkish border,since they weren’t fighting the Kurds nor Assad either.

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    • Gezza

       /  15th October 2019

      Christ! What a mess Trump’s caused. Turd of a man.

      Aljazeera tv’s reporting that Turkish troops & their Arab allies have now seized several towns around the M4 highway (which is supposed to be the boundary of the “Safe Zone” in Syria that they obviously want to dump some of their Syrian refugees into) & pushed the US’s former loyal allies out of them.

      The Kurds are suffering bad,y from having no air power or heavy artillery – the latter which the Turks have used to shell the towns & cause an exodus of 130,000 more refugees already.

      Now Erdogan’s announced Turkish troops are pushing on to attack Manjib, at the Western end of the M4. Aljaz’s reporter is describibg the situation there as “very fluid”. At Russia’s suggestion the Kurds have apparently invited Assad’s Defence Forces to enter the town (the details of their arrangement are not clear yet) & there are unconfirmed reports they are on the ground there already. THEY have air support – their own & Russia’s.

      There are still US troops in position around Manjib. They were controlling a bridge to dissuade the Turks from entering the town. They were reportedly supposed to be making an orderly phased withdrawal over several days, but it sounds like they are now making a panicked exit before they get caught in the middle of the battle – a bit reminiscent of their inglorious exit from Saigon in 1974 (?) when they abandoned their former South Vietnamese troop allies to the NVA.

      Trump’s been tweeting, suggesting the Kurds are deliberately releasing IS fighters to draw the US back in there – no evidence of that at all. The Turks shelled one of their detention camps, hardly surprising some IS supporters made a run for it, & Trump can hardly expect the Kurds to take these people with them in the face of a Turkish blitzkreig aimed at wiping them out. The prat has further tweeted that it shouldn’t be difficult for the Turks & the EU/Other NATO forces to round them up !!

      What a prick.

      Trump also says punishing sanctions on the Turks are coming – moron – like they care ! Erdogan has just announced no amount of threats is going to stop him achieving his goal.

      IS sleeper cell members have carried out a couple of bombing attacks on the Kurds already.

      Trump obviously feeling the heat from yet another US senior diplomat/official giving her closed door evidence of Trump’s emissaries trying to bully/cajole Ukraine into interfering in the upcoming election by announcing an investigation into the Bidens now likely to be calling the shots from here on?

      With friends like Trump who needs enemies?

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  7. Gezza

     /  15th October 2019

    Just felt a short duration earthquake in Tawa at 7.30 am.

    Geonet not showing it, so dunno epicentre or magnitude – their site looks like it hasn’t been updated for 16 hours.

    Just a very short, minor shaking back & forward.

    Never heard any rumbling (as I often do) telling me it was coming.

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  8. I’ve been worried about President Trump’s finger on the nuclear button. But it seems that I have roughly 50 fewer reasons to worry (about Trump’s finger, that is).

    Why? Because that’s how many tactical nuclear weapons the US was storing at Turkey’s Incirlik Airbase. And that’s where they have been left after Trump ordered a full retreat fleeing the Turkish forces.

    Not only are Turkish-allied forces releasing ISIS prisoners as they advance but Turkey now has its hands on a nuclear arsenal. Not only that, but a country with U.S. nuclear weapons stationed in it is literally firing artillery at American forces.

    Meanwhile Trump has pimped out the US military to KSA, like some guns-for-hire mercenary force.

    I have to wonder was Trump’s hasty decision really worth the partisan attempt to make the libs cry?

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    • Gezza

       /  15th October 2019

      Tillerson, Mattis, & all the other appointees who’ve bailed out after working with the tosser, got it right. Trump’s just an egotistical, narcisstic, rich moron.

      He makes Nixon look positively virtuous by comparison.

      Even our most craven Trumpophiles here have headed for cover after every attempt to make this disaster look like a wise decision have crashed on the rocks of his utter ignorance, incomptence, & inconsistency.

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      • Gerrit

         /  15th October 2019

        Trumps hands are tied as there are 50 USA B61-12 tactical nuclear warheads under Turkeys control.

        https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-holding-50-us-tactical-nukes-hostage-trump-authorizes-sanctions

        So if ISIS gets control of these?

        Cluster of stuff ups all round. Why did the USA leave then in Turkey in the first place? Mind you there are over 800 of these weapon units throughout Europe.

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        • Gezza

           /  15th October 2019

          Mike Pence might fix it? Aljazeera tv just showed a vid clip of him at Andrews Air Force Base, boarding a plane & talking tough. He said Trump was sending him there to tell Erdogan to stop the invasion of Syria (then he added, beyond what was agreed with Trump, or a few embarrassed words to that effect), & also to tell Assad to stop the war & get to the negotiating table or Trump will do horrible things to them like nobody’s even been done horrible things to before.

          Gotta go out. Back later.

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        • the US Military had no warning, nor did the intelligence community, nor the politicians, nor the pro-US Kurds that are now being targeted by Turkey… just some spur-of-the-moment stupidity from President Trump.

          Don’t kid yourself, Gerri’s: Trump tied his own hands precisely because of his own decision to retreat.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  15th October 2019

          What evidence that Turkey has control of these or that the US has abandoned the base? They moved 50 troops out of Syria, not Turkey.

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        • Duker

           /  15th October 2019

          Turkey doesn’t have control of the nukes, the US does. The base is in Turkey. Erdogan will find out how Noriega was treated , even though he was head of state, if Turkey obstructs the US from repatriating the nukes to bases in Europe.
          Safety and complicated arming systems means they can’t be used by Turkey or ISIS for that matter( remember they are under armed US guard).

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  9. Gezza

     /  15th October 2019

    Moron belatedly tries to fix cock up, pisses everyone off even more….

    “US President Donald Trump on Monday imposed sanctions on Turkey over Ankara’s military operation in northeast Syria, and called for an immediate ceasefire.

    Turkey launched the cross-border assault on Kurdish fighters last Wednesday after Trump withdrew some US troops from the region, drawing sharp criticism from fellow Republicans who accused him of abandoning allies who had fought against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS).

    Trump said he would send Vice President Mike Pence and national security adviser Robert O’Brien to Ankara as soon as possible in an attempt to begin negotiations.

    Pence said Trump had spoken directly to Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who promised not attack the border town of Kobane.

    “President Trump communicated to him very clearly that the United States of America wants Turkey to stop the invasion, implement an immediate ceasefire and to begin to negotiate with Kurdish forces in Syria to bring an end to the violence,” Pence said.

    The sanctions apply to individuals, entities or associates of the Turkish government involved in “actions that endanger civilians or lead to the further deterioration of peace, security and stability in northeast Syria”, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement.

    In his sanctions announcement, Trump said he was halting negotiations on a $100 billion trade deal with Turkey and raising steel tariffs back up to 50 percent. The president also imposed sanctions on three senior Turkish officials and Turkey’s defence and energy ministries.

    In a statement announcing the move, Trump said he was “fully prepared to swiftly destroy Turkey’s economy if Turkish leaders continue down this dangerous and destructive path”.

    Trump said Turkey’s military offensive was “endangering civilians and threatening peace, security and stability in the region”.

    According to the US Treasury, Turkish Minister of Defence Hulusi Akar, Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu, and Energy Minister Fatih Donmez were placed on the department’s sanctions blacklist, freezing their assets in the United States and banning US or US-related transactions with them.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/trump-impose-sanctions-turkey-191014195833562.html

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    • Gezza

       /  16th October 2019

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      • Gezza

         /  18th October 2019

        Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan put US President Donald Trump’s letter “in the bin”, the BBC has been told.
        Erdogan threw Trump’s letter in bin

        “In the letter dated 9 October, and sent after US troops were pulled out of Syria, Mr Trump told Mr Erdogan: “Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!”

        President Trump was urging Turkey not to launch a military offensive against Kurdish-led forces in northern Syria, but Mr Erdogan ignored this request.”

        Copy of letter in article….
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50080737

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    • Gezza

       /  16th October 2019

      The latest reports on Aljazeera tv are that Russian troops have now arrived & are patrolling the area between the opposing Syrian & Turkish forces at Manbij, preventing the two opposing armies from attacking each other without attacking them.

      Russia has contradicted Erdogan who has stated publicly that Russia green lighted his offensive. They say they did not & they will not accept any Turkish invasion beyond about 5 km to protect their borders.

      Russia has good relations with Assad’s Syria, Iran, the Kurds & Turkey, (& Israel, & Saudi Arabia) & is going all out to stop Turkey’s attack & bring about negotiations between Syria, the Kurds & Turkey.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  17th October 2019

        Trump was right to leave the locals to clean up their own mess:
        https://spectator.us/pulling-troops-syria-right-decision/

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        • Duker

           /  17th October 2019

          “leave the locals to clean up their own mess:”
          So why are the the US troops not going back to US , but just next door to Iraq ? Are they ‘peacekeepers’ now ?

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          • Gezza

             /  17th October 2019

            Aljaz tv showed Northern Iraq is now starting to get refugees pouring in. As if they don’t have enuf pressures to cope with. Thanks Trump.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  17th October 2019

            Just the usual emotive abusive crap we expect from WaPo. Doesn’t answer any of the case made in my link.

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            • Gezza

               /  17th October 2019

              Oh? Just got back from oncology in Welly Hospital with ma. Have they made some sort of case? I expect they don’t answer the case WaPo made for their opinion either. But hang on, I’ll have a look.

            • Gezza

               /  17th October 2019

              What an incredibly biased, Kurd-hating, Trump-sycophantic load of crap, full of fake news as unsupported by any links to extablish crediblity.

              the Kurds have only existed in large numbers in Iraq and Syria since the early 20th century, when they arrived from Turkey as refugees
              Even if that were true – & I’ll be fact checking that – does he frequently argue equally, on that basis, the Jews have no right to a state in Israel & the surrounding Arabs of the Middle East have a right to take it over & rule over them?

              Trump has a different, more compassionate view. Despite his endless flip-flopping, he is passionately opposed to the endless Middle Eastern wars and determined to allow the major players in the region to take responsibility for their actions. It is a policy that is paying dividends.

              Trump? Compassionate? That is simply ludicrous. There is nothing about that man that indicates compassion, from the way he treats subordinates, to his falling over himself to support & sell US arms to any murderous, repressive, regime that has the money to buy them.

              As for the notion Trump has some overall strategy behind his “flip flopping” as this deluded brown-noser claims, there’s been a whole raft of sensible, qualified advisers who’ve left or been pushed out because of their inability to come to terms with his impulsive & chaotic decisions that show evidence of his complete ignorance & narcissistic unwillingness to listen or learn the facts.

              You’re talking about someone who gets his official briefings & information from Fox TV or the last person he spoke to on the phone. In this case it was Erdogan.

              There is no way Erdogan would have commenced this operation with a handful of US troops in between the SDF Kurds (& the Arab members of the SDF that your prat neglects to mention).

              If Trump really believed what this fool is saying, he’d be pulling all US troops right out of the ME & relying on his sea & air power to dissuade & repel any threats to US strategic interests. Instead of just shifting them around the place there, like he’s done with his North Syrian troops, transferring them to Iran.

              This is just a typical Trump (major) distraction from his impeachment problems, which are getting bigger.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th October 2019

              He is shifting them out of the ME and certainly not transferring them to Iran.

            • Gezza

               /  17th October 2019

              *correction: transferring them to Iraq

            • Gezza

               /  17th October 2019

              He is not shifting them out of the ME, that’s typical Trump fake news. As per my correction, noted above, they have been transferred to Iraq. You know, the country he thinks the US owns, because he visited his troops there & did a big self-congratulatory wank a year or so back without bothering to notify the Iraqi authorities & get their approval.

              You’re often quite a sensible, clear-headed sort of chap, but you do seem to have such an overwhelming lefty-hating fixation that I wonder if what’s happening is that that’s become such an extreme fixation, & because you simplistically perceive Trump to be another lefty hater, it makes you constantly go looking for anything written by right-wing, neoliberal, lefty hating Trump-loving deadbeats who devote their time to inventing rationales for the impulsive dopey things this lazy, narcissistic, untrustworthy, morally bankrupt prat of a POTUS often does.

              The only Middle Eastern policy Trump comes anywhere near having is Bibi Netanyahu’s – thanks to Bibi’s well-placed agents Jared Kushner &, to a lesser extent, his dimwitted daughter. Even a blind man could see that.

              Out of interest, why do you think Trump appointed that psychopathic war-monger John Bolton & then had to turn around post-haste & give him the boot? What was his Grand Master Plan there?

      • Gezza

         /  17th October 2019

        PS: Putin was shown on Aljazeera last nit making a state visit to Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are really laying on the official welcome. Flyover with jets trailing the Russian flag colours, Elite guard & troops for his professional inspection etc. He’s lapping up. So are they. And they don’t have some pesky former minor model missus the misogynistic pricks have to cater for too.

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  10. It’s not just Trump who is under increasing pressure (some have suggested the Syria pullout was to distract from the Ukraine saga but I presume that’s just speculation).

    Exclusive: Trump lawyer Giuliani was paid $500,000 to consult on indicted associate’s firm

    President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, was paid $500,000 for work he did for a company co-founded by the Ukrainian-American businessman arrested last week on campaign finance charges, Giuliani told Reuters on Monday.

    President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, was paid $500,000 for work he did for a company co-founded by the Ukrainian-American businessman arrested last week on campaign finance charges, Giuliani told Reuters on Monday.

    Federal prosecutors are “examining Giuliani’s interactions” with Parnas and another Giuliani associate, Igor Fruman, who was also indicted on campaign finance charges, a law enforcement source told Reuters on Sunday.

    The New York Times reported last week that Parnas had told associates he paid Giuliani hundreds of thousands of dollars for what Giuliani said was business and legal advice. Giuliani said for the first time on Monday that the total amount was $500,000.

    Giuliani told Reuters the money came in two payments made within weeks of each other. He said he could not recall the dates of the payments. He said most of the work he did for Fraud Guarantee was completed in 2018 but that he had been doing follow-up for over a year.

    Parnas and Fruman were arrested at Dulles Airport outside Washington last week on charges they funneled foreign money to unnamed U.S. politicians in a bid to influence U.S.-Ukraine relations in violation of U.S. campaign finance laws. The men were preparing to board a plane to Europe.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-giuliani-excl/exclusive-trump-lawyer-giuliani-was-paid-500000-to-consult-on-indicted-associates-firm-idUSKBN1WU07Z

    The swamp seems as murky as ever, if not more.

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  11. Patzcuaro

     /  16th October 2019

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    • Duker

       /  17th October 2019

      Since when was being under the EUs thumb, being a lion? It worked out the best thing
      for UK wasnt to join the Euro , and not to join the Open borders like almost all the other EU did. Why would Brexit be any different

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  12. Gezza

     /  17th October 2019

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  13. Gezza

     /  17th October 2019

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  14. Gezza

     /  17th October 2019

    Aljazeera tv just reported Rep (D) Elijah Cummings has died, aged 88.
    Trump’s reaction will be interesting.

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  15. Missy

     /  18th October 2019

    Boris Johnson and the European Commission have agreed a Withdrawal Agreement, it now has to be approved by the European Council tomorrow, and then the UK Parliament. The Government have called a Saturday sitting to debate and pass the Withdrawal Agreement, however, reports suggest that the opposition will vote against this sitting, despite going to court to ensure that the prorogation was overruled in order to debate Brexit (which they haven’t done at all).

    I haven’t had a chance to read into the details of the deal, but my understanding is that the backstop has been removed and changed to an alternative arrangement keeping Northern Ireland in the Single Market, but not the Customs Union, with the biggest change being that there is reportedly a 4 year time limit which can be extended with permission of the Northern Ireland Assembly. It will be interesting to see what the new Agreement says, and how it compares with May’s deal.

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    • Gezza

       /  18th October 2019

      Aljaz tv reporter says the DUP’s not happy with it?

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      • Missy

         /  18th October 2019

        No-one seems to be apparently. DUP want WTO Brexit so they won’t be happy with anything. However, it is expected the DUP are playing politics but will come around to voting for it.

        Apparently Jean Claude Juncker has said no more extensions which nullifies the Benn Act if he is speaking for the EU. The Government motion for Saturday is apparently that a no in this means no deal, this is it for the UK.

        Corbyn is also in a difficult position, he is reportedly doing a three line whip to vote against the deal, has said he won’t agree to a General Election until there is an extension, and he wants a second referendum before a General Election on the deal.

        On point 1: he heavily criticised Conservatives for removing the whip from those that voted against the Government so either looks weak or a hypocrite.

        On point 2: he has not said what he will do if the EU refuse an extension, just continually that he will agree an election when the extension has been agreed to.

        On Point 3: he has given mixed messages regarding a second referendum. He is certainly under pressure to have one from his party, and his sudden support seems to be half hearted and in the view that Boris would lose in a referendum.

        This seems to be the end of Corbyn, he has not held a consistent or stable position on Brexit for three years, and he gambled that Boris would not get a deal and have to extend and would subsequently be blamed for the delay. It is a gamble that has not paid off.

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        • Gezza

           /  18th October 2019

          It would probably be a good thing for the Labour party to dump old sourpuss now. He seems to have no credibility left with all his flip flopping & indecisiveness, forever looking for something to give him an ekection win but ending up appearing to have no policy on Brexit except to moan about it.

          Boris just did a Q & A session with reporters (shown on Aljaz tv) that was a pretty classic Johnson routine – he didn’t really answer any of their hard questions, just gave broad, optimistic responses & repeated everybody in Britain & the EU were tired of it taking so long & just wanted Brexit to get done & for it all to be over with !

          Although Leo Varadkar was shown saying he that he was very happy with the deal, I gather thie draft agreement puts the border in the Irish Sea?

          After the EU’s previous stated flat refusal to consider any changes to the Theresa May deal, Boris can I guess claim some success in just getting a changed deal?

          I’m not sure it’s even a given that the EU Parliament will ratify it, tho?

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  16. Missy

     /  18th October 2019

    The Extinction Rebellion Protests came to a head this morning at Canning Town, a Tube station in East London.

    A bit of background, Canning Town is in the borough of Newham, a poorer area with a population of working class, ethnic minorities and a lot if Eastern European’s. The station is a transfer station between the Docklands Light Railway (DLR) and Jubilee Line, providing services to London City Airport and into Central London.

    This morning activists climbed on top of a train on the Jubilee line and started lecturing the commuters about how they were all going to die from Climate Change. I am not sure what they expected, but what I expected is what happened. The commuters weren’t happy with being held up and dragged the protestors off the train to the ground, there were a few kicks into one of them before most of the crowd shielded him from those wanting to get stick in. Essentially, after a week of being tolerated in Central London and Trafalgar Square they discovered not everyone appreciated their message.

    It was pointed out by many on social media that if they had done their homework they wouldn’t have chosen Canning Town, it’s a pretty rough area and getting in a train there at peak time is a fight for survival some mornings (and yes I am speaking from experience, it is where I change trains).

    Whilst that was happening some protestors were gluing themselves to the DLR at the last station before it goes underground. They were asked by some commuters if they were f*****g stupid as the DLR is the cleanest form of transport in London and they should be encouraging it. They were also questioned as to how they got to the station, and why they thought it was okay for them to get to where they wanted to go but not those going to work. They had no answer.

    It was pointed out by many that middle class white people targeting working class ethnic people wasn’t a good look, and it looked classist and racist.

    As a result of today’s fight back by the commuters they called off the planned shutdown of Gatwick Airport, and said they would review future actions.

    Today’s stint turned out to be a huge PR disaster for them, it will be interesting what they do now.

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    • Gezza

       /  18th October 2019

      Whilst that was happening some protestors were gluing themselves to the DLR at the last station before it goes underground. They were asked by some commuters if they were f*****g stupid as the DLR is the cleanest form of transport in London and they should be encouraging it.

      😄😄😄

      What sort of accent would that have been in?

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      • Missy

         /  18th October 2019

        Definitely a London Accent! Can’t remember if it was East End or South London to be honest.

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  17. Gezza

     /  18th October 2019

    Ex-defence secretary responds to US president calling him ‘the world’s most overrated general’

    Speaking at a New York charity event on Thursday, the day after the US president demeaned him as “the world’s most overrated general”, Mattis joked that he took it as a compliment.

    “I’m not just an overrated general. I’m the greatest, the world’s most overrated,” he told diners at the annual Alfred E Smith Memorial Foundation dinner.

    “I’m honoured to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress,” he said. “So I guess I’m the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me.”

    Trump lashed out at his former defence secretary on Wednesday during a contentious White House meeting with members of Congress. The meeting was intended to be a bipartisan discussion of Trump’s decision to pull US forces from northern Syria, but it broke up after a testy exchange between Trump and Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker.

    Before the walkout, Trump disparaged Mattis, who had argued as defence secretary that US troops were needed in Syria to prevent a resurgence of Islamic State fighters. Trump said Mattis was “the world’s most overrated general. You know why? He wasn’t tough enough.”

    “I captured Isis,” Trump went on to say. 🙄

    Mattis resigned last December after Trump said he intended to pull 2,000 American troops out of Syria. In his resignation letter, the retired Marine general told Trump he had “the right to have a secretary of defence whose views are better aligned with yours”. Since then, he has largely refrained from publicly criticising the administration, saying he owed the commander-in-chief “a duty of silence”.

    But he did save an insult for Trump at the gala.

    “I earned my spurs on the battlefield … and Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor,” Mattis said.
    – The Guardian

    Mattis also reportedly said:

    “I think the only person in the military Donald Trump doesn’t think is overrated… is Colonel Sanders,” 😀

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  18. Gezza

     /  19th October 2019

    Zoom out and it is clear that we have the worst of both worlds in broadcasting policy.

    TVNZ is run commercially so has no concrete reason to produce public interest broadcasting. Partial solutions like the $15m charter were kneecapped and then removed by ministers after public anger over how the funding was seemingly being used to subsidise clearly commercial decision-making. Yet because it is not fully commercial, it distorts the market.

    On the other hand, it is also in a bit of a sweet spot for governments. It doesn’t really cost the taxpayer any cash, and gives governments some assurance that, whatever happens to the wider media landscape, there will at least be one 6pm news show left to show them making their announcements

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/116704584/saving-the-media-will-be-a-very-hard-sell-for-the-public-will-kris-faafoi-want-to

    On the plus side, if there’s only TV1 left in the end, they at least have better-looking, better-dressed presenters, they don’t have Patrick Gower or Tova O’Brien, and although they unfortunately still have the ingratiatingly irritating John Campbell, he’s only on their breakfast show with that ditzy blonde sheila wotsername who stood for the Greens, & to make up for that downside, their 6pm newsroom studio is flash & even allows them to produce impressive holographic-looking presentations where the presenters are standing in the middle of 3D representations of the Pike River Mine or the Mikky Way Galaxy etc.

    It could be worse. :/

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    • Gezza

       /  19th October 2019

      *Haley Holt. (I mean, easy on the eye, but jeez, definitely ynot the brightest bulb in the box!)

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      • Duker

         /  21st October 2019

        Identity news room …they want to attract young female demographic so they put them behind microphone. Apparently viewers ‘trust’ people who look like themselves! hahahaha

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  19. Alan Wilkinson

     /  19th October 2019

    The Race Relations Conciliator emotes drivel:
    Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon says Hollis should stand down.

    “All elected members must swear an oath to abide by the Local Government Act which includes Treaty obligations,” Foon said.

    “Māori were the first people of our country, and the Crown invaded Māori territory, breached the Treaty of Waitangi and took away over 90 per cent of the land.

    “Māori are on no gravy train,” he said. “They are claiming what is rightfully theirs and they are only getting less than 1 per cent of their land back.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277886

    First, if the Treaty obligations prevent criticism then they are unconstitutional and should be scrapped. Likewise his own position.

    Second, the gravy train is not an equal participatory vehicle. A relatively small number of passengers and supporting cast are doing exceedingly well from the ride, including himself.

    Third, the claimed 1% is a fatuous calculation. The rest of us inherited 0% from those ancestral times. Somehow we cope.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th October 2019

      Well, there’s probably quite a bit more to this saga than is covered in that relatively short click-baity article, but Meng Foon’s got off to a bad start demanding that a Councillor resign. I’d like to see where he thinks he gets his authority to recommend dismissal of anybody from their position from.

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    • Duker

       /  20th October 2019

      Of NZs total land area only 3% was confiscated – Raupatu – by the crown.
      Rewriting history has the purchase by the crown , who were the only entity who were allowed to buy for a time after the treaty as confiscated. Even now land returned to iwi is regularly sold to others

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  20. Gezza

     /  20th October 2019


    Labour’s Auckland light rail policy appears to going the same way as Kiwibuild

    Another flagship Labour policy, Auckland’s light rail, is in crisis as deep divisions are revealed over a potential cost blowout of billions of dollars amid delays.

    Firms involved in the project say the problems have cost them millions of dollars and are wrecking New Zealand’s business reputation.

    Much of the finger pointing is being directed at six power point slides submitted by the New Zealand Superannuation fund and which sources say effectively stopped the project in its tracks, and undid nearly a year of work.

    The revelations come from a large leak of communications and papers from the former NZTA board.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116705422/light-rail-reality-the-six-power-point-slides-that-stopped-a-city

    Is it maybe time to consider whether Phil Twyford is a sleeper agent of National’s?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  20th October 2019

      When the Left are unable to spend our money even their supporters must despair. However it does seem karma that NZTA now has a Minister more incompetent than it is.

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    • Duker

       /  20th October 2019

      How did Nationals 2008 tax cuts go? …..taxpayers got zilch as there were cancelled.
      Christchurch rebuild was the same , many projects years overdue…. Those Pike River bodies were promised were absolutely positively coming out? … Couldn’t even get the concrete trucks in to block the entrance was Keys parting gift….oh that and the Kermadec marine sanctuary Key promised the UNwas a fizzer too.
      It’s different when national doesn’t do it Wilco?
      Bridges loves using parliament TV now he’s in opposition, squashed the idea in 2017 when he was in government…..yet he and Paula signed on the dotted line for the Paris climate conference…c’est la vie

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  20th October 2019

        So the Nats had a GFC, an earthquake and a mine explosion as excuses. Labour has Twyford.

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        • Duker

           /  20th October 2019

          They has excuses , projects and events were promised well after
          . Key made his mine promise 10 months after the events at Pike River and the Kermadecs , did he think he could walk on water

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          • Gezza

             /  20th October 2019

            The Kermadecs shambles was a real disaster for the Nats, Also for the Greens. They both attempted to railroad it through after totally inadequate consultation with Maori.

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      • Gezza

         /  20th October 2019

        As you’re replying to my comment I might just add my 2 cents worth.

        I don’t personally consider whataboutisms to be particularly useful as excuses when discussing the shortcomings or cockups of any current administration.

        Twyford, to be fair, largely inherited NZTA’s disastrous state of being from National – Bridges I presume. But I think he’s one of the CoL’s most inept Ministers. The guy’s had spokesperson responsibilities for the portfolios he’s responsible for yonks – yet when his lot finally get into power and he gets given the Minister’s job responsible for their flagship policies he turns out to have no freakin idea about anything to do with the projects he picked up.

        How the hell did that happen? WTF was he doing as the Opposition spokesperson? Reading magazines?

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