Open Forum – 21 October

21 October 2019

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  1. duperez

     /  21st October 2019

    The big decision of the day usually comes early. Like today.

    Open NZ Herald and the big red banner across the top has ‘Heartless, classless’: MediaWorks star Mark Richardson blasts Winston Peters. The headline stories at the top are, ‘Shouldn’t be reffing: World media react to Wales v French ‘shocker,’ Bombshell: Meghan ‘existing not living,’ Harry wants to ‘leave UK’ and the actual item about Richardson.

    I’d watched the rugby so that exercise in incompetence held no real interest. So, the big decision … 🙃

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    • Gezza

       /  21st October 2019

      What’d you go for in the end?

      (Also, check the mirror, dupers. You might’ve put your head on upside down this morning?) o_O

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      • duperez

         /  21st October 2019

        I see those royal names but don’t really know who fits in where and who’s who, but realise that Elizabeth 11 is the matriarch, the Big Momma.

        A book containing just Herald online headlines on royal ‘stories’ over a year would be so so thick and so so shallow. There’s obviously a market. (I wonder if it’s diminishing.) I never click those.

        What’d I go for in the end? I’ve sent the mirror from my head check to Richardson since he’s apparently addressing classlessness. 😊

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        • I saw the ‘interview’ with ‘Poor Me’/ghan standing all alone with the camera held high to make her look small and vulnerable. It looked very staged indeed.

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          • Yes, having made her bed she then chose to lie in it… now she complains about the pea under the mattress

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            • I find it impossible to believe that as an actress, she had no idea about publicity, that her friends warned her that the tabloids would destroy her and she had no idea what they meant by this and so on…

            • Gezza

               /  21st October 2019

              Well, I initially had some sympathy for her, from the short excerpt shown two nights ago on 1News where she tearily thanked the interviewer for asking if she found all the negative gossip press hard to deal with.

              But they showed a wee bit more in short another item tonight headlined as though both couples were separating from each over tensions between them.

              Apparently these are all snippets from a documentary made about Harry & Meghan during their recent tour in Africa, which will be showing on TV1 sometime this week.

              So, my sympathy has evaporated. It looks like they are simply creating their “brand”. And part of Harry’s schtick is to bring up the media hounding of his mother at every opportunity.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  22nd October 2019

            I had little sympathy for her at any time; so many things that she’s said have been shown to be untrue. The act in the garden where she gazed up sadly through heavily mascaraed eyelashes was an obvious stage performance. Can we really believe that she had British friends who warned her that the tabloids would destroy her and that someone from the land of such periodicals as The National Enquirer had no idea what a tabloid was ? It’s hard to believe that a television actress would not know anything about being in the public eye or that she wouldn’t know that marrying a prince would mean being in it.

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    • Gezza

       /  21st October 2019

      Winston Peyers hits back at The AM Show’s Mark ‘Mr Flash White Teeth’ Richardson
      “NZ First leader Winston Peters has hit back at The AM Show’s Mark Richardson, saying he “couldn’t give a rat’s derriere” about the presenter’s opinions after Richardson used his platform to lay into the deputy prime minister following his diss of some Three journalists at a party conference over the weekend.

      Peters claimed that while he felt sorry “for all those people who work for MediaWorks” and “for their husbands and wives,” he remembered Newshub “pillorying me for five months before the 2008 (general) election.””

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/116738856/the-am-shows-mark-richardson-to-winston-peters-youre-not-a-good-person

      Good call for Stuff to put this in their Entertainment section. Both of them getting what they wanted – attention. 😐

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  21st October 2019

        I’d say that that was a far better use of money than a new pa and ‘hub’ at Waikato University ($55,000,000) when the university has a marae already and a student hub !

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  21st October 2019

          Bugger, wrong place.

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          • Gezza

             /  22nd October 2019

            Well done, Kitty ! Scored well with this one 👍🏼

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  22nd October 2019

              Winston and Shane seen grinning in a photo with David Tipple and his wife in the Herald….a photo taken after the massacre.

  2. Gezza

     /  21st October 2019

    Sonny Fatu continues the Mongrels’ PR bullshit offensive.

    The police tell you not to buy it.

    A Waikato gang leader says his gang really is trying to transform people’s lives, despite Police Association claims that its new image is just “a recruiting tool”.

    Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom chapter president Sonny Fatupaito says comments at the Police Association conference by Detective Sergeant Ray Sunkel, head of the police motorcycle gang unit, were “offensive”.

    Sunkel said the Mob was evolving, but not at a rapid pace. What had changed was gangs using social media to try and convince the public they were doing “good”.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278211

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    • NOEL

       /  21st October 2019

      Reminds me of the person who said they weren’t a bad bunch because she identified one by the little MM insignia on his polo whilst taking his kids to school.
      Never considered that they cannot wear patches on Education Department property hence the slight with the polo.
      Words!!!!!

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      • Gezza

         /  21st October 2019

        Armed police will patrol Wairoa after a police officer’s house and a police station were shot at over the weekend.

        Shortly after 11pm on Saturday, a single shot was fired at the door of a police officer’s home in Wairoa. Then, about 9.25pm on Sunday, the Wairoa Police Station on Queen Street was shot at.

        No-one was injured in either incident.

        The shootings were being investigated, and the Wairoa community would notice a heightened police presence in the area “with the support of the Armed Offenders Squad in the form of an Armed Response Team”, he said.

        Chapman encouraged people to come forward and assist the investigation. “There will be people in the community who have information in relation to these two incidents.”


        Which gang’s active in Wairoa? Anyone know?

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  3. Gezza

     /  21st October 2019

    The Government has announced an extra up to 4000 places for trades training programmes to get more young people into careers such as plumbing and building.

    That’s made up of funding for an extra 2000 places in the Trades Academy programme and up to 2000 more places in the Gateway scheme.

    The 2000 extra Trades Academy places represent a 27 per cent increase in the number of spots on offer in the programme. The increase will cost the Government $27 million.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said this morning the new places would help close the on-going skills gap in our country.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278253

    Very good move. And I hope significant efforts are made to recruit young Maori trainees into these. Including by the Provincial Development Fund & Employment Ministers.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  21st October 2019

      This is less than half the cost of Waikato University’s new pa and hub. The university already has a marae and a perfectly good hub, needless to say.

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  4. Duker

     /  21st October 2019

    “While President Donald Trump insists he’s bringing home Americans from “endless wars” in the Mideast, his Pentagon chief says all US troops leaving Syria will go to western Iraq and the American military will continue operations against the Islamic State group.l”
    Well that settles that then….ALL.
    Leaves Trump’s apologists high and dry
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12278477

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st October 2019

      Somehow you overlooked this bit:

      Trump’s top aide, asked about the fact that the troops were not coming home as the president claimed they would, said, “Well, they will eventually.”

      Acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told “Fox News Sunday” that “the quickest way to get them out of danger was to get them into Iraq.”

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      • Gezza

         /  22nd October 2019

        Aljazeera showing video of a convoy of US troops leavng Syria & crossing into Iraq.

        Some Kurdish Syrians are shown hurling insults & fruit at them.

        The US Defence Secretary has just announced, however, that some troops are staying in Syria – to “protect” lucrative oilfields there that US corporations wish to exploit. 🙄

        A commenter said that the US is transferring “hundreds” of troops out of the area, but telling the Saudis they are withdrawing “thousands”.

        The Trump bullshit continues, Al, as usual. 😎

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd October 2019

          Truth is the first casualty of war. With a cast of thousands and a zillion different agenda it’s not hard to find conflicting commentary if you want to.

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          • Gezza

             /  22nd October 2019

            It’s virtually always a safe bet to start with the assumption that whatever’s emanating from your hero’s mouth is exaggerated way beyond truth, or just plain fake news – war or no war.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd October 2019
            • Gezza

               /  22nd October 2019

              Lol – man that article’s so long it continues next week, Al. I haven’t even got thru it all yet. Should’ve been serialised.

              Great work of fiction & comedy tho.

              Warren will never end up being the Dem’s nominee, let alone end up getting the popular vote, like Hillary Clinton did. Even the Dems will know that she’ll never be able to shake off Trump’s derogatory Pocahontas tag. Claiming native American descent & then turning out to have so little First People’s DNA that it hardly even registered on the scale destroyed her credibility forever, I reckon. She comes across to me as one of the least impressive of a very poor bunch of Democrat candidates.

              The only way Trump could ever become a successful 2nd term dictator is if he has the support of all levels of the police, security & military services. His shallow attempts to portray respect for his troops they can see through already. He treats them like playthings, & makes them look like noddies & fraidy cats. He’d have to get rid of all the top commanders & replace them with sycophantic incompetents, as is his wont.

              Won’t happen. there’d be a coup. And he’d then need to be taken out the back & shot asap. It’d be the best solution.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd October 2019

              Yep, it’s all the Progressives’ nightmare fantasies in an omnibus edition. Quite an achievement.

          • Duker

             /  22nd October 2019

            “not hard to find conflicting commentary”
            The comments were taking from the US Secretary of Defence.- no conflict
            Now we hear perhaps US troops arent crossing the border into Iraq ‘completely’ as now Trump wants some to remain in Eastern Syria ‘to guard the oilfields’
            So perhaps there is a coherent Trump policy after all about fighting in Middle East countries.
            As long as they are” next to the oil” they stay.

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            • Duker

               /  22nd October 2019

              Lindsay Graham …a Senator
              Afghanistan …diversion.
              ‘Talk about troop levels falling’ in various places in ME always happens in the year leading to an election. Part of that is whats called rotations, ie they come home or move to another place in ME, the rest is electioneering. The struggling GOP election candidates are screaming for some sort ‘movement on troop numbers’
              After the election the Generals all say the same thing like Oliver twist..some more please.

            • Gezza

               /  23rd October 2019

              The Federalist is an American conservative online magazine and podcast that covers politics, policy, culture, and religion, and publishes a newsletter. The site was co-founded by Ben Domenech and Sean Davis and launched in September 2013

              The Federalist has not disclosed its sources of funding. Asked in 2018 by the Washington Post about The Federalist’s source of funding, Domenech would only say that there was “no large bag of money.”

              During the 2016 U.S. presidential election, conservative pundit and Trump critic Matt K. Lewis writing for The Daily Beast noted a shift in The Federalist’s coverage of Donald Trump, first criticizing the presidential candidate, and then, after Trump won the presidency, criticizing Trump’s liberal critics in the mainstream establishment media and casting Trump as a victim.

              -Wikipedia

        • and now… the very definition of insanity.

          President Trump gave NATO ally Turkey the green light to move on the Kurds.

          Now he is threatening war against Turkey for attacking the Kurds: “in the event that kinetic action or military action is needed, you should know that President Trump is fully prepared to undertake that action” – Mike Pompeo to CNBC

          https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/21/pompeo-trump-is-fully-prepared-for-military-action-against-turkey.html

          Dwell on that for a moment: a NATO ally is threatening another NATO ally with war for doing what they were green-lighted to do.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  22nd October 2019

            Obviously you didn’t bother to read the link you just misrepresented.

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            • Comprehension is evidently not your forte, Alan. The link is to the source of Pompeo’s comment wherein he represents a NATO ally threatening another NATO ally.

              The comment that “in the event that kinetic action or military action is needed, you should know that President Trump is fully prepared to undertake that action” is explicitly attributed to Pompeo. There is no misrepresentation (unless your name is Mick Mulvaney).

              Turkey is a NATO ally. America is a NATO ally.

              The stupidity of a NATO ally threatening another NATO ally with war for doing what they were green-lighted to do is patently self-evident.

            • Grief. This is like explaining “A Few Good Men” to a toddler: you want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!

              The US has sanctioned and Pompeo has threatened Turkey with military action for its incursion, which pits two NATO allies against each other.

              I believe that this point we all turn to President Trump, the “strategically brilliant” “very stable genius” who authored this, to point out that everything he touches turns to custard.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd October 2019

              Others can read the article and decide on your misrepresentation for themselves.

    • Gezza

       /  26th October 2019

      Sending troops n tanks n shit back into Syria now ? The shonky US Moron-In-Chief’s bizarre Syria brain explosions continue?

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/deploy-troops-eastern-syrian-secure-oil-fields-191025022517393.html

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/24/us-military-syria-tanks-oil-fields

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd October 2019
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    • Gezza

       /  22nd October 2019

      I’ve got a very personable four foot lady eel to feed. I’ll have a look later & get back to you. 😉

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    • Gezza

       /  22nd October 2019

      Looks like the problem is down to NZTA’s now-legendary incompetence & lack of expertise (which began with National) this time. Twyford’s just the poor sap whose portfolio they come within.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  22nd October 2019

        NZTA’s incompetence goes a long, long way back through various name changes and reorganisations. Twyford’s is newer and shinier.

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        • Duker

           /  22nd October 2019

          What newer and shinier ? Only replaced the majority of National appointed board last month.
          Auckland Southern motorway widenings have been an ongoing disaster since about 2011.
          When Wellingtons Transmission Gulley motorway opens, there will be a big financial claim from the PPI who built and will run the shebang for $125 mill per year ( equivalent to a $12 per vehicle toll), on the basis the earthworks required has been vastly greater, the finger will be pointed at NZTA concept plans which they bid on.

          Is the same all over government departments, instead of top engineers and planners promoted to higher managment , its noddies from around the wider public service with no knowledge of the roading and hows it built , but who claim to be ‘change agents’ or whatever the current management speak is. Exactly what happened at Census .or … [insert Public Service disaster here]

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  22nd October 2019

            Can’t disagree with that except no sign NZTA is likely to improve any time soon. Similar problems in local government and DHBs I suspect.

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            • Duker

               /  22nd October 2019

              DHBs arent so bad as thought . The financial ‘losses’ are mostly depreciation and the Crown asset charge which ends up as ‘Treasurys’.
              Open a new $800 mill hospital and those accounting numbers and actual payments to Treasury go through the roof.
              They should have two sets of figures ( like a lot of public companies now do), the GAAP ones and nicer ‘cuddler normalised earnings’. But of course the SOEs are Public non profits
              Kiwirail has the same issue , the running the trains and ferries is largely OK but they have such a huge asset base. Conversely online companies have negligible assets- no plant , no buildings and their books look great as software is written off at light speed.

          • Gezza

             /  22nd October 2019

            Is the same all over government departments, instead of top engineers and planners promoted to higher managment , its noddies from around the wider public service with no knowledge of the roading and hows it built , but who claim to be ‘change agents’ or whatever the current management speak is. Exactly what happened at Census .or … [insert Public Service disaster here]

            Yup. 😕 Seen it over & over again. Worked with some of the noddies. Spot on there. 👍🏼

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            • Duker

               /  22nd October 2019

              He is a highly accomplished, forward thinking and results orientated senior executive with more than 25 years’ experience in senior leadership roles across the transport and infrastructure sectors in complex commercial, political and organisational environments.

              He has built high performing teams, led complex multi-billion pound programmes and run business units within global organisations…..
              Or
              XXX comes to the NZ Transport Agency from Fonterra where he held a Global Health, Safety, Risk and Resilience capacity and previously held Senior Executive positions in Health, Safety & Environment

              Only one out of the bunch is a civil engineer

  6. Duker

     /  22nd October 2019

    Peasants are Revolting …episode 2317
    Dutch farmers on the march in their tractors….did I hear those two words klimaat and stikstof ( nitrogen)
    https://i1.wp.com/pbs.twimg.com/media/EHGarXNX4AEfPr2.jpg?

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  7. Duker

     /  22nd October 2019

    The US troop deplaoyments

    Afghanistan: 12,000 to 13,000 troops
    Syria: About 200
    Iraq: About 6,000
    Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf nations: 45,000 to 65,000 -WOW
    Africa: 6,000 to 7,000 [the largest numbers concentrated in the Sahel and the Horn of Africa. In Somalia, there are about 500 Special Operations troops, fighting the Qaeda-linked terrorist group, the Shabab, from small outposts alongside local troops.]
    Japan and South Korea: About 78,000
    NATO nations: More than 35,000
    Elsewhere: More than 2,000
    [The Pentagon has deployed troops to other locations around the world. There are about 250 troops, mostly Special Forces, in the Philippines in part to help with counterterrorism operations. In the past six years, about 2,000 Marines have regularly deployed to northern Australia to act as a response force for the Pacific region.]

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd October 2019

    Massive fire in Auckland’s Sky City Convention Centre construction:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278706

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    • and one worker still unaccounted for – the fire was evidently caused by a worker who put down a blowtorch for a cigarette break. If that’s correct then the level of stupidity is astonishing.

      Meanwhile the CBD is in involuntary lock-down with multiple motorway on-ramps and off-ramps closures due to road closures; Cook st off-ramp, Fanshawe st off-ramp, Hobson st on-ramps to SH1 and SH16 and Nelson st off-ramps from SH1 and SH16

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  22nd October 2019

        Herald:
        The team involved in installing the waterproofing membrane on the SkyCity roof all escaped safely from the Convention Centre fire.

        MPM Waterproofing Services General Manager Andrew Pardington said he had a team of up to 12 waterproofers at the Convention Centre when the blaze broke out.

        “Obviously it’s a shock for everybody at the site.”

        “My whole team was right next to the Fletcher’s control office and they heard the alarm go off, then were told to leave.”

        He said he had a debriefing with them afterwards but would not say what was discussed in regards to of how the fire started.

        When asked specifically if a worker left a blowtorch on while having a break he said:

        “From my understanding, that’s not what happened but there was a whole lot of conversation heard on site, but really it should be left to the investigating team to find out what happened.”

        Pardington said Health and Safety had been discussed and support offered to his staff during the debrief but they appeared to be ok.

        “None of my staff were injured which I was really happy about.”

        If the blow torch story is true he will have a lot more to worry about I expect.

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        • Duker

           /  26th October 2019

          When they have the blow torch running they are very noisy, when not being used immediately but needed a bit later they have a pilot light. It would fairly clear if one was left running when people walked away.

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  9. Sky News Australia has managed too dredge up a ‘personal attack’ by Jacinda Ardern against Alan Jones in 2012. This seems petty, especially when compared to Jones’ record of attack.

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    • Blazer

       /  24th October 2019

      yes it is very petty,congratulations for ..promoting it.

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    • Duker

       /  26th October 2019

      Who would keep track of Arderns Twitter feed in 2012
      The national party that’s who …they are like the stasi in that regard

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  10. Gezza

     /  23rd October 2019

    She’s wild, wet & windy in Welly. Two sparrows just went past my kitchen window flying bsckwards. 😀

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  23rd October 2019

      Took the dogs for a walk and knew it was a mistake as soon as I backed up the drive and could see the black clouds coming. Sure enough it unloaded on us soon after we started and now of course we have blue sky again.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd October 2019

      Jeez, the sun’s out now, but that Southerly’s cranked up to gale force in North Welly.

      Southerly gales don’t usually hit us quite as hard as they clobber South & Central Welly. I bet they’re taking a hammering.

      What a difference from yesterday. It was a beautiful day Tuesday, with just gentle Southerly zephyrs. The birds knew it was going to be a goodie:

      https://streamable.com/dym0m

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    • Gezza

       /  25th October 2019

      Breakfast at Pookden Cafe

      Another beautiful (if chilly) morning in North Welly. But ma says it’s gonna turn to crap around midday, according to ZB’s forecast. Been the same every day this week.

      I blame climate change ! 😠

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  11. Gezza

     /  23rd October 2019

    For God’s sake, don’t anybody show this to Sir Alan:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116735909/reserve-bank-board-asked-to-investigate-complaints-about-governor-adrian-orrs-conduct

    You know what he’s like about poor Adrian.

    Thank you.
    That is all.
    🐧 Sir Gerald 🐧

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2019

      Looking forward to him wearing a road cone while delivering his next speech. Possibly one for Robertson too. The colour and style will suit them both.

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  12. Gezza

     /  24th October 2019

    Mark Richardson’s BIG MOUTH pisses off secretly gay AM show co-host. 😬 😡

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/116861095/this-is-as-bad-as-ive-ever-felt-mark-richardson-accidentally-outs-ryan-bridge-on-air

    Winston – you’re right about this tosser. No class at all. 👍🏼

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    • Duker

       /  25th October 2019

      They are all dickheads in their own different ways….Hosking.. Garner ..Campbell, Richardson or even Ryan Bridge..
      Paul Holmes had his moments but at least he put back and showed he was real underneath..these people are all puffed up pr$#@

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  13. Corky

     /  25th October 2019

    Good to see the government has taken up my suggestion of forming a special police unit to tackle serious crime and gun violence. This new unit will be able to respond to an ‘armed incident’ immediately without having to wait for the Armed Offenders Squad.

    While far from my suggestion of what such a squad should be and and how it should act, it’s about the best we can hope for given the decrepit state of our police force and justice system…and our politicians testicles.

    I also stated on this blog that gang numbers are rising sharply. I was trolled for that. I don’t know why; it’s now been mentioned twice in the media since I have been on holiday.
    I’m afraid the bad news is it’s worse than the media is portraying. Travelling through Edgecumbe recently I encountered at least 200 mobsters on a run. That area, 10 years ago, had a solid core of about 20 mobsters.

    We need to face the facts. Gangs will soon control many small provincial towns. Police will just go through the motions of maintaining law and order.

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  14. Corky

     /  25th October 2019

    Phil Twyford in trouble again according to 3 News. He is holding up light rail development in Auckland as bureaucrats beseech him to proceed. Twyford of course is blaming everyone else but himself. Does this government have any ideas about running a country that doesn’t involve banning, taxing or interfering in the productive sector? The answer is NO!

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    • Gezza

       /  25th October 2019

      Yeah … I dunno. It’s Newshub, remember – purveyors of fake news & mischief.

      Twyford’s a dead loss, no doubt of that. but there is also the suggestion already been made that NZTA isn’t up to the job. That Newshub item’s a bit fishy. You’ll note they only flashed a couple of lines across the screen and that Sheila reporting waved some papers around, saying that because the government won’t specify what outcomes they want nobody can proceed with a plan.

      The Government doesn’t usually set “outcomes”. The responsible department does.

      On other hand, when Twyford was interviewed he said “they” dropped the ball, that he didn’t drop the ball, and that he was completely happy with everything he’d done on light rail up to now.

      But he had that dozy, vacant look that he always had when he said similar things about Kiwibuild right up until they tossed him out of that job as he was already too far underwater on that one.

      If they want to get it sorted they’ll probably also have to give this job to someone else. He has the Reverse Midas touch, does Phil.

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  15. Corky

     /  25th October 2019

    Saw a TV 1 news clip regarding stats from police car chases. One of the stats mentioned Maori as a common denominator in such chases. No doubt someone at One News will be getting a rap over the knuckles. Like Islam, the softly softly approach is usually the way news media handle such situations.

    Talking of crime, I was at the funeral for one of the brothers murdered for his baseball cap. I said at the time this crime had the hallmarks of an African refugee hit job. That was confirmed to me by one funeral goer without prompting. I must admit however, that that allegation has NOT been officially confirmed. I was trolled for suggesting such an outrageous thing.

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    • Gezza

       /  26th October 2019

      Cheers Corky. I have 3 of them visiting daily. That’s Boss Tui. He’s a big lad. There’s another, younger male, & a smaller female (Tula) who leads them on & then plays hard to get.

      They love to perch & sing all day in my tawhiwhi (pittosporum tenuifolium) which has exploded in tiny, joss stick-scented, dark purple flowers. They go for the nectar in those too.

      They’re funny to watch. They hop, skip, jump, climb & run around in the trees, and often hang upside down to get at the flowers.

      That’s not rust on the padlock. It’s brass.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th October 2019

        Damn. Wrong place. Either me iPad or WordPress is mucking about these last couple of days. The reply box appears at the bottom of the page instead of directly under the Comment being replied to. Might try a reboot.

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  16. Corky

     /  26th October 2019

    Crikey..this is a conundrum for me. Everyone in this clip PISSES ME OFF!

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12279927

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    • Corky

       /  26th October 2019

      Te-ray-o, eh, Marcus😡? Look at yourself before you criticise other ignoramuses such as yourself.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th October 2019

        OMG. You’re so right bro! WTF was Lush thinking, carrying on on & on at those two dyed-in-the-wool thicko, wilfully pig-ignorant pakeha sheilas.

        They’re part of that – luckily dying – breed of old-fashioned, ecucationally-resistant stubborn die-hards who can’t pronounce words in another language properly (apart from Camombear/Camembert) so they stubbornly insist the ignorant bastardised English word they new places as when they were dumb little tykes IS the correct pronunciation, because every other dumb little tyke like them said it the sane way when they was growing up theah.

        Admittedly some Maori place names that are really long can be a bit of a challenge, but Taieri, & Oamaru shouldn’t be a problem for anyone but the educationally sub normal.

        We still have a tiny few around down here who insist on calling Paraparaumum Paraparam & Pauatahanui Partanooey because their parents & their generation were such incompetent basic bilinguists too. Mostly they dine alone because they’re so embarrassing.

        If either one of those two sheilas had learned Latin, they’d have had no trouble growing up & adapting. He should’ve just thanked them for their views & got rid of them asap. Not dragged the whole thing out interminably letting them make such total headbanging tits of themselves.

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        • Corky

           /  26th October 2019

          You missed my second comment…Lush was the problem..and the hypocrite.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th October 2019

            Nah, I didn’t. Your ear for the subtleties of Maori pronunciation is quite poor sometimes. You mishear & mistranscribe Maori words & phrases incorrectly quite oftem here (e g “Mardi”) cos you mishear the Scots-like short burr on the r as a d.

            Lush may well have a pedestrian way of pronouncing te reo but his vowel sounds are more correct than those two cranks with their misunderstanding of where the names come from and thus why they’re wrong.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th October 2019

              However, I do agree that Lush made rather a dick of himself by dragging the whole thing out way beyond necessary & his own Maori pronunciation is probably very wooden.

            • Corky

               /  27th October 2019

              ”Nah, I didn’t. Your ear for the subtleties of Maori pronunciation is quite poor sometimes. You mishear & mistranscribe Maori words & phrases incorrectly quite oftem here (e g “Mardi”) cos you mishear the Scots-like short burr on the r as a d.”

              😂

              Let’s see what that great Mardi Pickled Possum has to say on this.

              😂

              Yes, I have been told by people( even some of my own whanaunga) that people with my views ( and those of the two ignoramuses) will soon all be dying out. That is not necessarily a good thing, especially when the people who are telling me this are just as ignorant(?) and ill educated, but in a different way.

            • Gezza

               /  27th October 2019

              Your trouble is you’re too sensitive to criticism, Corks 😎

              I think perhaps, tho, that I may have been overly harsh in my response to you.

              I’m not entirely sure that I correctly got the exact point, or points, you were making.

              Regarding pronunciation, there are, of course dialectic differences among various iwi & even local accents among the older Maori speakers. My audio-lingual ability is very good, for some reason. Maybe because I’m muso who plays by ear? If I hear the correct pronunciation of a word in most languages, including Maori, I’ll get it right when I say it every time – although like many, with really long words I may need to read it first.

              My guess is that older pakeha people who call Oamaru Omaroo, for example, are quite likely to insist that they’ve even heard a Maori say it that way, when what they actually heard (to them) is likely Oar-maru, but in reality what was actually said is O/a-maru. I.e. the o & the a are both pronounced, but very quickly, so they get mistaken for an English diphthong.

              Lush made too big a thing of it. There are lazy Maori speakers as well as lazy English speakers – like Ardern & Bridges, neither of whose English pronunciation is too flash. Bloody awful, in fact.

              And kia ora is now habitually pronounced by just about everyone as “keeora” or even (wince) “kee-ow-ra”.

            • Corky

               /  27th October 2019

              ”Your trouble is you’re too sensitive to criticism, Corks 😎”

              Well, if I am, I have no excuse to be given the amount of criticism I receive.

              People can make up their own mind as to how my hearing is – @7.15 in the above link.

              The point I’m making is: Before Lush – who in my opinion has become a prickly,overly sensitive wokey- criticises others, he needs to make sure his pronunciation is down pat.

              And of course, if we want to go down that track, what about the many Maori who can barely string two English sentences together?

            • Gezza

               /  27th October 2019

              The point I’m making is: Before Lush – who in my opinion has become a prickly, overly sensitive wokey – criticises others, he needs to make sure his pronunciation is down pat.

              Oh … Ok. Agree with you on both those points. 👍🏼

            • Corky

               /  27th October 2019

              ”Te-ray-o, eh, Marcus😡? Look at yourself before you criticise other ignoramuses such as yourself.”

              Yes, you may have a point. I will simplify and make things clearer in future.

            • Gezza

               /  27th October 2019

              Well there were two or three issues that actually came up in that audio-clip.
              1. Both callers insisted that a bastardised, Anglicised, out-of-date pronunciation of two place names was correct.
              2. One of them didn’t know or care where the word came from. It matters, if you want to pronounce them properly.
              3. Lush (who I find boring as batshit) came across as an arrogant woke novice at Maori himself.

              Out of interest, how would you write, phonetically, the way YOU pronounce te reo?

            • Corky

               /  27th October 2019

              Te- reh-aw or Te Re Awe.

              Tay Maori – Te Maori. Another common clanger.

            • Gezza

               /  27th October 2019

              Yep. Close enuf. Same. It’s not possible to find an exact English phonetic way of writing down an un-macroned Maori “o”, which is a shorter sound than “ō”, as in pōtae.

              And “tee” for “te” is still very common. When Jacinda first announced the name of her baby girl on TV she called her Neve Tee-Ar-o-ha. I cringed.

              But most Maori in my experience are pretty forgiving at first attempts getting it wrong and in Jacinda’s case I think the Maori caucus & more contact with Maori electorates has helped her get her pronunciation more correct these days.

  17. Gezza

     /  27th October 2019

    Trump’s new nickname for Adam Schiff:

    “Shifty Schiff”

    Very good, I thought. 😀

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  18. Corky

     /  28th October 2019

    Thankyou, Mr President, on behalf of the Western World. I speak for those Westerners who have no idea we have a major problem on our hands.

    https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-intl-hnk/index.html

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    • Blazer

       /  28th October 2019

      ‘Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire thanked special forces for bringing “one of the world’s most-wanted terrorists to justice.”

      There’s no justice ,like U.S justice.

      Now as for Assange,Manning and Snowden….!

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      • Corky

         /  28th October 2019

        For once I agree with you, Blazer. I wonder if Delta Force was involved? They answer( in reality) only to the president.

        Assange,Manning and Snowden. Three traitors who would have been dead already under a foreign government regime. Ah, the weak liberal West, eh!?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  28th October 2019

          And the President answers only to ……………..?????????

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          • Corky

             /  28th October 2019

            Congress, and ultimately the voters. But in Trumps case, unless he is impeached, it seems he answers only to himself.

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          • Corky

             /  28th October 2019

            Maybe we need a little Presidential oversight in our country, Parti? Something has to be done to stop our economy going down the gurgler. This government is making decisions on the fly… not good!

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            • PartisanZ

               /  28th October 2019

              Yeah, yeah, “benign dictatorship” must be the answer Corky!

              Only trouble with your argument is A) the economy is NOT going down the gurgler, and B) this government is making economically AND socially sound and politically strategic decisions which are for the common good and put the fly in National’s ointment …

              But that’s cool. If you want less freedom, like no drug law reform, no End of Life Choice, abortion to remain a crime and the MMP threshold to remain a crime against democracy … vote for and with the losers!

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2019

              Keep living in a room full of mirrors and you will never go wrong, Parti.

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116225611/business-confidence-at-lowest-level-since-2009-nzier

              I don’t disagree Labour has made some good spending decisions . I have mentioned that before. National was too parsimonious during their term in office. They fixated too much on the bottom line.

              ”This government is making economically AND socially sound and politically strategic decisions which are for the common good and put the fly in National’s ointment …”

              That is debatable, and will ultimately be decided at the ballot box next year. When you mention..’the common good’, that’s socialist code for banning, thieving from the productive, and regulating the productive.
              That is unacceptable and must be punished. We need that fly out of the ointment for community good.

              I think you are forgetting I’m not a die-hard National supporter. I think they are just as clueless as Labour. In fact, I have stated I have more respect for Labour. However, National has one big advantage over Labour – their economic and social timidity means the status quo remains. When you have people in power who don’t have a clue, the status quo remaining is the best you can hope for.

            • Gezza

               /  28th October 2019

              Corky doesn’t vote because no party has a Muslim ban policy. Which is why he never voted for the National Party which had actually quietly introduced a refugee Muslim ban, now overturned by Labour & NZF.

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2019

              ”Corky doesn’t vote because no party has a Muslim ban policy.”

              Now you are romancing. I don’t vote because it doesn’t make any difference. No matter who is in power, the basic bureaucracy of government never changes. I won’t hold it against you if you shuffle down to the polling both to vote, and believing you are making a difference. That’s your choice.

            • PartisanZ

               /  28th October 2019

              So Corky, you don’t think that large corporate business owners, farmers and vested interests who are evidently doing well under Labour but nonetheless remain hard-core National supporters are capable of lying through their teeth in a business confidence survey?

              And you call me naive!

              “That one can smile and smile, and be a villain” – Hamlet

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2019

              I have never called you naive. I’m sure you were speaking rhetorically.

              Why would business lie? To vainly believe people will be influenced by business and turf the gummit out is wishful thinking.

              I don’t think below is a lie. While a trade deficit isn’t wholly a bad thing. I would rather have a small one.

              https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/annual-trade-deficit-at-11-year-high

            • Gezza

               /  28th October 2019

              I don’t vote because it doesn’t make any difference. No matter who is in power, the basic bureaucracy of government never changes.

              Balderdash, bro. The Public Service bureaucracy is subject to the direction of governments & their Ministers. While the fact it is often inefficient, wasteful & not very competent at many of the tasks it no longer has in-house expertise for, doesn’t change much – in fact I think it’s got worse in that regard – every incoming admiistration implements policies that change the political, social & / or economic landscape.

              The tuffer the Minister the more there are changes – good or bad.

              Whatever your reasons are for not voting, if most other people were lazy arses too & didn’t vote, you’d end up with governments like our most unaccountable & expensive city councils.

    • ‘Thank you Mr. President’ . that’s a bit mawkish Corky…

      Give credit where credit’s due, After all it was Trump who once tweeted “Stop congratulating Obama for killing bin Laden. The Navy Seals killed bin Laden.”

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      • Corky

         /  28th October 2019

        Mawkish? Maybe, but I love President Trumpy. The Navy Seals killed bin Laden.” True, but only after they received presidential authority to proceed. You may remember Trumpy saying he has given his commanders discretion to act ( re Nth Korea), because they knew more about such things than him. I would assume that would also go for special forces killing this murderous Islamic prick on sight should the chance arise. In other words, right across America, from border control to assassinations, workers love Trumpy because he is allowing them to do their job and not be hamstrung by weak liberal drips like Obama.

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        • Corky, it seems that your fulsome praise of President Trump is misdirected (again):

          “The C.I.A. worked closely with Iraqi and Kurdish intelligence officials in Iraq and Syria to identify Mr. al-Baghdadi’s more precise whereabouts and to put spies in place to monitor his periodic movements, allowing American commandos to stage an assault Saturday in which President Trump said Mr. al-Baghdadi died.

          But Mr. Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw American forces from northern Syria disrupted the meticulous planning and forced Pentagon officials to press ahead with a risky, night raid before their ability to control troops and spies and reconnaissance aircraft disappeared, according to military, intelligence and counterterrorism officials. Mr. al-Baghdadi’s death, they said, occurred largely in spite of Mr. Trump’s actions.

          The officials praised the Kurds, who continued to provide information to the C.I.A. on Mr. al-Baghdadi even after Mr. Trump’s decision to withdraw the American troops left the Syrian Kurds to confront a Turkish offensive alone. The Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, one official said, provided more intelligence for the raid than any single country.”

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    • Gezza

       /  28th October 2019

      Trump finally got his Obama moment, thanks to the Operation which began under Obama & has continued to this day.

      I watched Trump’s full, weird, Press Conference, & Q&A session with reporters, as it was happening, live, on AlJazeera tv early this morning. It was quite simply extraodinary.

      It was aimed at his base. It was a typical Trump boastful rambling as he took credit for everything the special forces actually and spoke as “we” when describing the attack.

      During his speech & subsequent Q&A, multiple times, constantly repeating & contradicting himself, as the the fool does, Trump:
      * claimed personal credit as though he was actually there on the ground doing the fighting
      * alternately praised & insulted his intelligence services
      * alternately praised & then insulted the Kurds, Russia, Iraq, & Syria
      * said the Syrians & Russians & Iraqis agreed to let them fly over their territory at low level unhindered
      * then said how dangerous it was because those 3 countries had “tremendous firepower”
      * then claimed that when they got there they were subjected to tremedous ground to air fire, * then said it was only probably some random person along the way who didn’t like their country being flown over
      * then said they have control of the Kurd’s oil & if anybody wants it they will have to negotiate with the US (Putin has accused Trump of “banditry” over this, which it actually is)
      * said the Iraqis discriminate against US companies in giving preference to non-US companies for access to their oil, that they owe the US “billions, maybe trillions” of dollars for saving them, & that something would have to be done about about that – implying the US might even seize Iraqi oilfields
      * insulted European countries & said the US ought to turn captured European IS fighters loose & send them back to Europe.

      This lazy, pig-ignorant, lying, narcissistic lunatic Trump is actually the world’s biggest terrorist, Corky not Al Baghdadi.

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      • Corky

         /  28th October 2019

        You have strong opinions about this, Gezza. I disagree with you. When Trump loses office, either as a two term president, or in ignominy, what comes next will have Americans begging for another Trumpy. It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen – starting with the American media. I know I am repeating myself like the Oracle…but I want this indelibly on record so when it happens no one can spin my comments differently.

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        • Gezza

           /  28th October 2019

          You are prepared to make endless excuses for this moron because you think he’s a hard-arsed tuff guy, like you think you are Corky.

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          • Corky

             /  28th October 2019

            That’s a churlish comment. I have nothing to do with it. I have never thought of myself as a tough guy. Don’t confuse my hardline stances on immigration and crime with my personality. In fact, I was thinking of the American economy. And the blessing that Trump isn’t a globalist. We in New Zealand have seen what happens when our PM seems to believe she has more responsibility to the global community rather than her own native country. She has to go!

            https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/whys-it-so-awkward-to-say-the-economy-is-great/595408/

            Why indeed..oh, it all started under Obama. Yeah, and if Obama was still in office would this bull run have continued? I doubt it.

            Still, here’s something that will cheer you up. Many people like you just don’t believe Trump can do anything good.

            https://www.vox.com/2019/2/5/18210757/state-of-union-2019-economy-fact-check

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          • Gezza

             /  28th October 2019

            You’re looking at Trump from too narrow a focus, imo. More than any other US president he is a nasty, divisive character with so little respect & so much of a prediliction for lying, bullying & bullshitting it makes me wonder whether you also identify with those characteristics?

            The man is unable to good without doing equivalent bad. There are numerous examples. He cannot be trusted by anybody. You maybe admire that he has made America feared, but he’s also made them & himself hated – for no good reason.

            Why indeed..oh, it all started under Obama. Yeah, and if Obama was still in office would this bull run have continued? I doubt it.
            Yes. Probably. Once they start they continue until they crash. Nature of the beast.

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            • Gezza

               /  28th October 2019

              I have never thought of myself as a tough guy.

              Only regular here who’s ever posted boasting about decking some big bloke who pushed in front of you at an ATM or the local organic raspeberry bun shop or whatever it was.

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2019

              ”Only regular here who’s ever posted boasting about decking some big bloke who pushed in front of you.”

              It wasn’t a boast. It came about if I remember correctly during conversation. I related the dry facts as to what happened. I stuck up for myself. Yes, I enjoyed dropping him. He had it coming. I’ll come around your place and push you while calling you a Kant. I bet you wouldn’t take to kindly to that.

              The Organic raspberry bun( buttered with Lewis Road butter😍)
              was in response to beggars outside the bakery hassling customers. I stood over their money tin on one occasion and let the crumbs fall in. On another occasions I magnanimously torn a little off the bun and threw it in the tin. I was really abused for that. Why did I do it? Because I had watched these ferals pool their money together and buy smokes from a nearby dairy. They didn’t need money for rent as their signs suggested.

        • Blazer

           /  28th October 2019

          breaking news …Corky…mistaken I.D ,was just someone that looked like ..Baghdati.

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          • Gezza

             /  28th October 2019

            Not possible. Trump claimed multiple times that a forensic team was travelling with the Special Forces & that after they dug his body parts out of the tunnel he retreated to & blew himself up in, which then collapsed on his remains, they too DNA samples & determined, ON THE SPOT, that it was him, beyond any doubt. Unless Trump’s lying – which can never be completely ruled out with anything that con artist says.

            In a way, Baghdadi beat them in the end, because they didn’t kill him. He killed himself before they could. So he’s a just another brave martyr for the others.

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            • Gezza

               /  28th October 2019

              *took (DNA samples)

            • Blazer

               /  28th October 2019

              apparently this is the 4th or 5th time Baggy has …died.

            • Gezza

               /  28th October 2019

              Yep. And I haven’t seen or heard yet where they got the DNA samples from that could confirm it was him.

            • Seems like there’s mischief afoot, Gezza…

              It’s emerged that the photo of President Trump in his Situation Room surrounded by military watching the raid was a staged photo – Trump was playing golf at Trump National Golf Club at the time of the raid.

              And now the Russian defence ministry is saying they are unaware of any assistance provided to US military and have no record of any action by US or Coalition forces anywhere in the area Baghdadi was supposedly killed in.

              Mind you, it’s not the first time Baghdadi has been killed. In 2017 Russia claimed it killed him in air strikes in Raqqa.

              Liars and triggers and Russian Bears. Oh my!

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2019

              Call me behind the times. Of course Trumpy probably faked the situation room photos. He’s not giving up golf to waste time watching some murderous cretin sent to hell. Beside,s Trumpy learns fast…especially from his predecessors.

              Funny thing again. The stories about the fake situation room pictures regarding Obama seem to have dried up on Google. Plenty of links for Trumpy though. Oh, well..liberals stick together where ever possible.

              https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/notes_on_photo_fraud.php

          • Corky

             /  28th October 2019

            This ‘Baghdati’ guy is sure big. Let’s hope you are jesting. Still, if it’s not him, as long as it was an Islamic militant who was kill, that’s cool. One less person who is bent on killing Innocent men, woman and children to contend with.

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            • Corky

               /  28th October 2019

              Apparently he died like a dog and a coward according to President Trumpy. Even killed his kids if reports are true. I wonder who his successor is? And will this successor go technical first to counteract American technology? What will be the pay back?

            • Gezza

               /  28th October 2019

              Any number of possible successors. They are already technically and militarily literate. I was reading something today (might have been early this morning – in Stuff.co, & probably still there, somewhere, amongst the interminable wailing about the ABs and the endless lifestyle fluff) that said he had been losing control of the group of disenfranchised former Sunni Baathist Iraqi army officers who were the top echelon of the organised command & control system that was evident throughout their seizure of territory for the Calphate. They even used drones in the major battles.

            • al-Baghdadi’s death (if it was really al-Baghdadi) is a legitimate achievement on Trump’s watch, so good on the Kurds for tracking him down five months ago and monitoring his movements since then, and good on the military forces for carrying out a hurried raid in the face of the US retreat.

              But there are too many inconsistencies with Trump’s narrative for it to be taken at face value, or for him to be given the champion’s laurels.

              Aside from the staged Situation Room photo opportunity and Russian denials about the action:

              – al-Baghdadi took his fate into his own hands by detonating a suicide vest befoe he could be shot. That doesn’t fit Trump’s version of events.

              – by listening to him, Trump has defeated ISIS so many times now that it is difficult to count them all. Meanwhile, what the US forces eliminated was an ISIS leader, not its entire dispersed leadership.

              – the recon information needed to find al-Baghdadi came from the Kurds and the same intelligence agencies that Trump regularly trashes for having found questionable, potentially impeachable offenses that Trump himself committed.

              – then there are Trump’s sharp elbows for Obama for not having killed al-Baghdadi earlier (where has Trump been for three years?), and an insistence that this death was somehow bigger and better than bin Laden’s.

            • Gezza

               /  29th October 2019

              – al-Baghdadi took his fate into his own hands by detonating a suicide vest befoe he could be shot. That doesn’t fit Trump’s version of events.

              Actually, Ishmael, this does. His full presser & Q&A is bound to be on Youtube by now.
              He went on & on about exactly this.

              As Aljazeera tv commentators noted last nite, Trump is spinning Baghdadi’s suicide as a cowardice – it will excite his dumb followers; IS will be spinning it as a courageous choice to be a martyr & save his children & himself from a fate worse than death at the filthy hands of the evil infidel servants of the Great Satan (to coin Khomeini’s phrase). That will excite their dumb followers.

              Nature of the beast, in both cases.

              There’s a new Open Forum dated 28 October. Might want to continue any discussion on that one?

            • Corky

               /  29th October 2019

              ” Al-Baghdadi took his fate into his own hands by detonating a suicide vest before he could be shot.”

              Apparently he was in a tunnel and the dogs rounded him up. Surely the handlers would have been close behind, that would mean possible American causalities. That’s one thing you never hear about – SF causalities. One unit was wiped out in South America.

            • Gezza

               /  29th October 2019

              Trump, typically, told two contradictory stories about the tunnel:

              1. “We” (as if!) knew the tunnel had no end, and
              2. It might have had other exits, who knows?

              He’s the world’s most prolific & notorious pathological liar, but the bullshitting toad couldn’t even lie straight in bed.

      • Gezza

         /  28th October 2019

        Oh, I forgot, he also insulted Nancy Pelosi & the Democrats, multiple times, by saying that he didn’t inform her or the senior Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee that the Operation was taking place because then there would have been leaks that would put their troops lives at risk.

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        • Gezza

           /  28th October 2019

          And don’t get me wrong, it’s good to see this prick Al-Baghdadi finally eliminated by the US Intelligence & Special Forces Commands, who have been working on this ever since Obama was president, & who would have done this when they finally nailed where he was whoever was the President.

          But there are still, by the US Military & Intelligence’s own estimates, up to 18,000 IS fighters still in Iraq alone. And Baghdadi has not been in effective control of IS since before the Caliphate was eliminated. The organisation is not operating now like it could at Raqqa, it operates like Al Qaeda – individual fighters & sleeper cells & so-called affiliated organisations like Al Shabab & Boko Haram & now numerous other Sunni Islamist groups in various places around the world & throughout Africa do their own thing opportunistically.

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        • And less than 24 hours later Trump is greeted at the 5th game of the World Series by an entire stadium booing him and chanting “Lock him up.”

          The shine of being ‘at the helm’ when the Kurds tracked down Baghdadi sure wore off quickly.

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  19. Missy

     /  28th October 2019

    Brexit is about to come to a head. The way it stands the UK is due to leave on Thursday at midnight, however, tomorrow (Monday) should allow us an idea of whether there will be an extension, and for how long. A quick bullet point summary:

    * A deal was agreed between the UK Government and the EU

    * Parliament sat last Saturday to debate and vote on the agreement, however, an amendment from Remain MPs was passed to say that Parliament will withhold voting on the agreement until the Withdrawal Agreement Bill was tabled and had passed, essentially meaning the PM could not meet the conditions of the Benn Act to have the agreement passed in Parliament by midnight last Saturday. This is seen by many as proving that the Benn Act was not about stopping No Deal on 31 October, but rather a way to delay Brexit in the attempt to stop it altogether.

    * After the amendment passed the PM pulled the vote on the agreement on Saturday, he then tried to table it on Monday, however, the Speaker refused to let it be put before the house on Monday.

    * The PM complied with the Benn Act and sent a letter on Monday to the EU requesting an extension, however, he did not sign the letter. With the letter requesting the extension the PM sent two further letters, one stating clearly that the letter was from Parliament and not the Government of the house, and that the request for an extension was against Government policy. The second letter expressly requested that the EU ignore the request and that the PM and Government did not want it.

    * On Tuesday the PM tabled the Withdrawal Agreement Bill which passed the second reading, however, the house voted against the Government timetable for the bill meaning it could not be passed before this coming Thursday, and therefore the Agreement could not be ratified.

    * The EU have indicated they are most likely to grant an extension, however, there is some disagreement over how long for. Most countries are apparently ready to grant a three month extension, however, Macron is believed to favour only a couple of weeks to get the Withdrawal Agreement Bill passed and the Agreement ratified.

    * Last Thursday the PM again challenged Corbyn to agree an election, saying he would table a motion in the house for a General Election on 12 December, Corbyn continues to refuse claiming he will not agree to a General Election until such time as No Deal is completely removed – so essentially never. No Deal is the default in EU law and no matter what the UK does or says EU law currently still supersedes UK law. Further to complicate Corbyn’s position is that the EU said over the weekend that they will not give a decision on the extension until after the vote on Monday, and then an extension will be granted if the UK votes for a General Election.

    So, in summary we have a situation where the EU will determine the future of the UK – ironically a number of MPs that voted for the Benn Act which brought us to this point spent the weekend lamenting how the EU has more control over the UK than Parliament (they voted for it). Further, we have a situation where the UK might still yet leave on 31 October without the withdrawal agreement if the EU actually sticks to its guns this times and refuses an extension unless a General Election is called, but the opposition refuses to vote for a General Election until No Deal is off the table. Corbyn may turn out to be the PM’s biggest ally after all.

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    • Corky

       /  28th October 2019

      Thank you, Missy. Tell me, what type of certainty does a possible up coming election win give to Boris… and the UK?

      Reply
      • PartisanZ

         /  28th October 2019

        Boris and the word “certainty” are mutually incompatible … mutually exclusive …

        Reply
        • Corky

           /  28th October 2019

          Oh, this guy is a traitor. He would rather be a peon in a UE yoke, than be kowtowed by his British betters who would at least provide him with a shack to live in. Gratitude isn’t a strong point with your lot is it, Parti?

          Reply
          • Missy

             /  28th October 2019

            More than that, he is a racist xenophobe, a couple of years ago on a panel show he said the only desirable immigrants are EU immigrants, basically he said anyone from outside the EU isn’t welcome.

            To be fair that view aligns with the EU President Tusk who wants to ‘Keep London European’, and with the Lib Dems who are campaigning on keeping the UK European.

            I don’t get why people think the EU and EU-philes are so open and tolerant, they are bigoted and xenophobic, and against anything or anyone not from the EU, they espouse nationalistic ideas and a form of European superiority that hasn’t been seen since the 18th Century.

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      • Missy

         /  28th October 2019

        It really depends on how it goes. The polls at the moment suggest Labour could lose about 100 seats, and that the Conservatives could win a large majority, but on the other side, if those disillusioned with how Boris has handled Brexit go to the Brexit Party then the Brexit vote could split, resulting in a hung Parliament.

        Alternatively there is a possibility that the Remain vote could split between Lib Dems and Labour as well.

        It is rumoured that the Lib Dems and SNP will support a December election, so it is wait and see today.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  28th October 2019

      What I like about Boris is that he always has a Plan B. May was always stuck to her Plan A.

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      • Missy

         /  29th October 2019

        There is a belief that Boris and his team have war gamed everything, so it will be interesting how the election campaign goes, but I anticipate that there will be a bit of Parliament v the People.

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    • Missy

       /  28th October 2019

      Update:

      The EU have agreed to a ‘Flextension’ up to three months. If the WAB is passed in that time then the UK can leave earlier.

      The main dates are 30 November, 31 December, and 31 January.

      Also, note the Benn Act is no longer relevant as it was for a specific event and specific time period, so if nothing agreed by end of January then there is still the possibility of leaving with No Agreement, unless Parliament plays fast and loose with the rules to again undermine the Government.

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      • Missy

         /  29th October 2019

        Further update: Parliament are debating an early election now. It is expected that the Lib Dems and SNP will support an election, but for 9 December not 12 December, and they are also expected to support a clean bill and vote down any amendments. The Government have said that they will support their motion to have the election on 9 December.

        On the amendments, it was expected the opposition was going to try and introduce a lot of amendments to slow the bill down, including votes for 16yo, votes for EU citizens (they currently are unable to vote in a General Election, though Commonwealth citizens can), a second referendum, and extending the eligibility for non-resident UK citizens (it is currently 10 years living outside the UK).

        Labour are expected to abstain from the vote, but the Government require 2/3 of Parliament to agree, so it should be able to pass with SNP and Lib Dem support.

        Some highlights I have picked up from twitter:

        * Boris Johnson has called Corbyn a chicken (again)
        * Corbyn said he can’t support a 12 December vote as it will be too dark too early to vote, but he can possibly support a 9 December vote. The difference in sunshine hours between 9 December and 12 December is approximately 3 minutes.

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        • Missy

           /  29th October 2019

          Correction to the further update:

          The Government have tabled a motion under the Fixed Term Parliament Act (FTPA) for a 12 December election, they still require Labour to vote for it to pass, however, if it fails then the Government will bring a one line bill to Parliament tomorrow to get around the FTPA (believed to be a bill to revoke the Act) which will only require a simple majority.

          Corbyn is believed to have been given one last chance tonight to support a 12 December election which will most likely allow Brexit to be sorted before the election, however, if not and they bring the one line Bill to the House tomorrow then Brexit will still be an issue when the nation votes.

          It is actually quite amusing, so many Corbyn supporters have been praising Corbyn over the last few weeks for his political strategy in delaying Brexit and not giving the Government an election on their timetable, however, now Corbyn has been outflanked by the SNP and Lib Dems.

          It is assessed that in all likelihood the SNP and Lib Dems will increase their seats in Parliament as the SNP hoover up disillusioned Labour voters in Scotland, and the Lib Dems go for Labour Remain seats, meanwhile it is expected that the Brexit Party will target Labour leave seats.

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  20. PartisanZ

     /  28th October 2019

    I’m no great fan of the mushrooming ‘Charitocracy’. I think a substantial portion of it is neoliberalism’s peculiar version of middle-class ‘job creation’ and upper-class profit-taking appeasement; it mostly being richer people deciding what poorer people need and then persuading people of all ilks to pay for it ‘charitably’ – serving to maintain unrealistically low taxation and punitive transfer – largely through mechanisms of PRilanthropy rather like ‘popularity’ or beauty contests.

    It reaches its obscene pinnacle in TV programs like ‘Undercover Boss’ and ‘Undercover CEO’.

    However, the idea of a Not-For-Profit eco-nomy is definitely one worth considering IMHO. Ethical NFPs, community-enterprises, social-enterprises and charities are already doing it.

    It will also likely be the model for cultivation, supply and public consumption of cannabis … hopefully?

    “The growing prevalence of NFP business allows us to re-envision what the market can be. It allows us to imagine a not-for-profit market working with a partner state to deliver the best outcomes possible for human flourishing.”

    https://nonprofitquarterly.org/envisioning-a-not-for-profit-world-for-a-sustainable-future/?fbclid=IwAR0t5Sl4mQTu7R0lumgT2B4V3C-ufoF8N7CmD55juCPvubhtlUlxRHovWpI

    “Partner State” is an interesting idea, eh Righties?

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    • Gezza

       /  28th October 2019

      I’ll have another read of that later. It’s not a bad idea but It’s hard to see it getting off the ground anywhere unless & until a bloc of nations is prepared to set themselves up and trade on this basis. The forces of wealth and power that will be thrown against anyone attempting to set up such an economic system will be overpowering.

      Reply
  21. Corky

     /  28th October 2019

    Want to know what’s wrong with our justice system and why I don’t waste my time voting?

    Nothing ever changes…things just get rearranged and painted either red or blue.

    Note in this story the reaction of prison guards. What’s the use of having them if they can’t act? Where are you Kelvin Davis?

    There are some great shanks shown in this item. One has two lethal protuberances. That allows a bro to double strike without having change his body position too much in a brawl.

    .https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12280273

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    • Gezza

       /  28th October 2019

      It’s called voter apathy. In some cases it happens because folk are just too lazy to make the effort to go & vote & in other cases it happens because they feel useless as no party will do what they want & they don’t want to do something about it like lobbying parties or starting one of their own.

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  28th October 2019

        It’s called political cowardice. The only thing that will change things is a revolution – either peaceful or not. I doubt you would vote for that. Therefore you are locked into a loop of political mediocrity.

        Reply
        • Gezza

           /  28th October 2019

          When is the revolution starting, who is commanding it, which unit are you leading, and what arms and ammunition have you stockpiled?

          Reply
        • Gezza

           /  28th October 2019

          It’s a really weird thing about prisons. I’ve noticed that even in South American & other shit-hole countries where the police, security services, and prison guards are normally armed to the teeth, & the human & civil rights of the population, never mind prison inmates, are routinely ignored by those in power, whenever there’s a riot and prisoners start murdering each other, it often takes hours or days before anyone’s game enuf to go in there and start tear-gassing & battering them into submission.

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          • Corky

             /  28th October 2019

            Yes, that’s true. The main reason is because prisons are undermanned. Sometimes they have no plan A or be. You may have seen the World’s Worst Prison Series. Some of the Eastern European prisons are very well run with no attempted prison breaks. Of course prison staff numbers are adequate and lethal force units patrol the perimeter. A simple stroke of the pen and we could have similar here. Of course, having signed up to UN declarations, we can’t.

            Reply
            • Gezza

               /  29th October 2019

              Eastern Europe sounds like the place for you then Corks. 👍🏼

            • Corky

               /  29th October 2019

              Not me…but our criminals. Let’s see how long they could shank a fellow prisoner in an Eastern European jail while guards stood by. I think in the story above the prisoner had to endure 5 minutes of shanking.

              Like I said…tough prisons are a political pen stroke away. And we need to remember, we may have a loved one who goes off track and is imprisoned. While it’s expected they pay their dues to society, they should be able to do that without a tattooed feral shanking them to death.

              In my opinion I have stated nothing outrageous. What is outrageous is prisoners in NZ jails; running the jails.

            • Gezza

               /  29th October 2019

              Ok. Fair point. Well made.

  22. Gezza

     /  28th October 2019

    Andrea Vance puts the stilettoed boot into Ardern:

    Few politicians, especially those operating under MMP, can resist sacrificing their ideals for pragmatism. But it particularly wounds Ardern because she swore to be different.

    “None of us should settle,” she said in the election campaign, in which she emphasised her personal integrity and honesty.

    Ardern’s saintliness has accelerated the disillusion in her leadership, and it is reflected in the most recent polls that focus on her favourables. More trade-offs are inevitable as the Labour-NZ First-Greens alliance march towards next year’s election.

    Ardern needs to nip the ‘broken promise’ narrative in the bud, before it begins to define her Government. Kiwibuild was over-promised. The Government is under-delivering on plans to boost police ranks by 1800. DHB’s are drowning in debt.

    And now her first campaign pledge – to deliver a light rail line from Auckland city to the airport as a priority, is off-track. It’s time for Ardern to give her brand a refresh.

    As her premiership hits the two year mark, the PM needs to demonstrate some uncompromising steel and get back in charge of the Government’s year of delivery, and tackling the complex problems she promised to fix.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116938090/its-time-for-jacinda-ardern-to-stop-compromising-and-start-delivering

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  23. Corky

     /  1st November 2019

    Crikey.. I was in Gissy recently… talk about a town with rumours. I don’t know why I was told these rumours by locals . I suspect being good looking and having a cheerful demeanour attracts people. Why aren’t the media onto this story? If it was some rightwinger, it would be front page news.

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  1st November 2019

      Is it possible you just look like the sort of person who’d be interested in gossip? Some people have that look & rumour mongers seem to gravitate to them because they look like a good way to spread rumours.

      Is it the sort of rumour that could get your arse sued off if it was untrue, so the media won’t touch it, or one that sounds so rock solid you feel safe enuf to share the details here?

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      • Corky

         /  1st November 2019

        Is it the sort of rumour that could get your arse sued off if it was untrue,
        Hell, yeah..and some. That’s all I’m prepared to say. I only mentioned it because in my opinion it once again highlights media bias to the detriment of New Zealanders.

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        • Gezza

           /  1st November 2019

          Well then, if it’s as scurrilous and potentially financially risky to them as that, don’t you think the editors of nz media outlets would obviously want to try & verify it before publishing or broadcasting anything about it?

          Remember how Paula used the law to stop them spreading a rumour about her?

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          • Gezza

             /  1st November 2019

            *Correction
            Remember how Paula used the threat of defamation proceedings to prevent them spreading a rumour about her?

            Reply
    • Blazer

       /  1st November 2019

      I venture you can disregard ‘good looking’ as a reason!

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  1st November 2019

        Envy was always your weak point, Blazer. If you behave yourself, I will share my secret anti- psoriasis cream with you.😉

        Reply
  24. .Corky

     /  1st November 2019

    ”Well then, if it’s as scurrilous and potentially financially risky to them as that, don’t you think the editors of nz media outlets would obviously want to try & verify it before publishing or broadcasting anything about it.”

    That would be the easiest thing to do..confirm this rumour. I mean, they couldn’t miss.

    No, the media is giving this person(s) a free ride because they tick all the boxes as being ”liberal cool.” If it was a Ross Meurant type of person, they would have been dealt with
    long ago. Come to think of it, Ross is now a wind chime making dolphin whisperer after having a late life epiphany…so maybe that’s not a good comparison.

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  25. Corky

     /  1st November 2019

    Authorities close the net.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/11/call-to-prosecute-parents-who-hold-infection-parties.html

    Willie standsup for anti vaxxers. That’s good. But all anti vaxxers should be asked a simple question – what are you going to do if your child becomes ill? If the parent says..they won’t because I give them good nutrition, then they need to be told they are irresponsible fugwits.

    I see the bullshit regarding vaccination rates and herd immunity is being pushed again. I provided a study to show that theory is at least open to question.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/willie-jackson-tired-of-anti-vax-parents-being-labelled-nutters-and-maniacs.html

    Great, some studies arrive at just the right time.

    ”Two studies published on Friday have outlined how it works. Measles decimates antibodies produced by the body’s immune system – tests done on unvaccinated children who caught measles found two months after the their bodies had fought off the virus, their antibody counts were up to 73 percent lower than normal, leaving them open to other infections.”

    That would be right. The body does not recuperate straight away. I wonder if they tested vaccinated kids who caught measles..or other infectious diseases?. What was the anti body count of babies who had received the MMR vaccination? These are just tentative questions. I have not read those studies.

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    • Gezza

       /  1st November 2019

      Dunno, but 1News reported last night that two children hsve just died in Samoa from measles – and the body count from unvaccinated kids getting measles is far higher than the the body count from those who’ve been vaccinated.

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    • Gezza

       /  1st November 2019

      Btw – this is last week’s Open Forum. The primary discussion on this topic is on this week’s OF – 28 October.

      Have you ever cconsidered emailing PG to transfer some of your more detailed or interesting topics to be headed topic posts?

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  1st November 2019

        Oh, I got carried away. Guilty as charged.

        ”Have you ever considered emailing PG to transfer some of your more detailed or interesting topics to be headed topic posts?”

        What interesting topics? I usually stick to a narrow band of subjects.

        Reply
        • Gezza

           /  1st November 2019

          Well, yeah, you do have a fixation on certain types of Maori bashing but every now & then you pick a specific matter that fits within your narrow band that breaks generates interesting debate & facts.

          Look, never mind. PG’s declared his right to make any comment a post if he chooses.

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        • Corky

           /  1st November 2019

          Definitely not true about Maori bashing. I have been proven right time and again. I offer first hand experience.

          ”Have you ever considered emailing PG to transfer some of your more detailed or interesting topics to be headed topic posts?”`

          No, because unusual topics just attract ignorant trolling. Take this comment below. Not only does it contain lies, but I have never heard of ‘plastic aliens.’
          Nor am I interested in such things. It’s the crash the intrigues me..especially the sworn affidavits of witnesses. Of course, the Rosewell aliens are a study in themeslves. I haven’t gone down that road yet.

          ”Kitty Catkin / 1st November 2019

          I was under the impression that you thought that the plastic aliens at Roswell were real, as was the claim that a president met aliens when he was supposedly at the dentist; your reaction when people questioned these stories indicated that you were furious at them being doubted.
          I see little point in taking sightings of aliens whose photos show figures made of vinyl with obvious seams as the truth.”

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