Open Forum – 15 November

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  1. Winston Peters’ lawyer Brian Henry involved in more questionable stuff involving NZ First.

    And peters’ partner Jan Trotman is also involved in seeking money from Provincial Growth Fund run by Shane Jones.

    An RNZ investigation has found Brian Henry, lawyer for Winston Peters and judicial officer for the New Zealand First party, became a founding director of NZ Future Forest Products in March.

    The company immediately began its bid for money from the Provincial Growth Fund and also sought funding from the One Billion Trees programme – both overseen by New Zealand First Minister Shane Jones.

    The Billion Trees funding bid was rejected by officials at Te Uru Rākau, Forestry New Zealand, on 22 August.

    Enter Trotman.

    Less than a week after that rejection, Future Forest Products appointed the partner of New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters as a director of the company.

    Jan Trotman, who has extensive experience as a director and senior manager of commercial businesses, shares a home with Mr Peters, who is also deputy prime minister, in central Auckland.

    Ms Trotman was made the fourth director of the forestry company on 27 August, when the company bid for at least $1 million from the Provincial Growth Fund was still live.

    Company Office records show it was Mr Henry who completed Ms Trotman’s application for a director’s certificate.
    This is looking messy. It may or may not be legal, but it doesn’t look good.

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    • Corky

       /  15th November 2019

      They were talking about this last night. NZ1st people contacted to be interviewed were all passing the buck. Something stinks..and that whiff has come at the right time.

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    • Duker

       /  15th November 2019

      Some relevant History here .
      The Henry family were behind the creation of the original NZ Forest Products , the wood processing giant. Broken up after corporate raiders took over
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Henry_(businessman)
      Peters lawyer is a branch of the same family that has history in the law , with judges, law firm Hesketh Henry etc
      A foot in both camps , so to speak
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_family

      The family have a low profile now but remain large land owners , which is probably where the forest planting comes in now.

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    • Duker

       /  15th November 2019

      No proof of ‘questionable stuff’ PG
      And exactly why is it ‘messy’ …..their application was declined .
      “But his spokesperson said the application for funding from the One Billion Trees programme never reached ministerial level. Forestry officials decided Future Forest Products was not eligible and the minister was not involved.

      and then the other approach
      “The company’s bid for funding from the Provincial Growth Fund was then knocked back this month, after Labour Party ministers rejected it.[Jones left the room during the consideration and decision]
      Surely a family company with a long history in the timber sector in NZ would be open to the billion trees and PGF sector.

      Where exactly was the questionable and or messy stuff you allude to ?

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  2. duperez

     /  15th November 2019

    If someone asks a question it’s ‘questionable stuff’ I suppose.

    An early Christmas present for all! From what I’ve heard so far the system worked with some checks and balances coming into play, RNZ has come up with a scandal, controversy, dramatic situation which already by dint of its presentation can be turned into ‘corruption at the highest levels’ and we can be sure that Simon Bridges, Mark Mitchell and Chris Bishop will be orgasmic.

    Shane Jones will have his say after 8am. The jury is out. Will Guyon Espiner turn out to be Paddy Gower? 🙃

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    • Corky

       /  15th November 2019

      As long as NZ1 and National are punished for not supporting gun owners, and supporting the Zero Carbon Bill, I don’t care whether the whiff of corruption has a basis in reality or not. Labour needs to win the upcoming election so the RIGHT of politics in this country are forced to untangle their philosophical wires and decide what it is they stand for.

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      • Gezza

         /  15th November 2019

        What are you talking about? Guns are still allowed to be owned in NZ. No party has banned gun ownership.

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        • Corky

           /  15th November 2019

          Not semi autos. Now they are after large magazine .22s and pistols. This government is enjoying an endless wet dream. Tarrant has been one the best things that ever happened to Labour,.

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          • 10 shot .22 magazines are still legal, and that’s plenty big enough. You can still use multiple magazines.

            There have been much tougher restrictions on pistols for a long time.

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          • Corky

             /  15th November 2019

            Yes, but they are looking at the 30 plus magazined .22s that are now being imported like crazy. And also large magazine pistols which already have tight regulations, as you say, governing purchase and use. That shows once again, this government knows nothing about guns and gun culture. They have just knee jerked on this issue to impress the world..and pander to limp wrist latte sucking liberals. And where was National and NZ first on this issue?

            Meanwhile, I have stopped counting at nine firearm offences perpetrated during the last 5 months that involve people who I bet have illegal firearms that will never be turned in unless they are caught. I doubt they have a firearm license either.

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            • Duker

               /  15th November 2019

              You are right about the government and guns . Thats why they ask the police around the legal niceties and look to what happened in Australia- Tarrant came to NZ from ‘gun restricted Australia’ after all.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th November 2019

              Latte sucking limpwristed liberals ?

              Corks once used Mike Hosking’s supposed ‘latte slurping’ as an indication of his urbanity and sophistication.

  3. A leaked Greens discussion document reveals the party is gearing up to ditch its support of the self-imposed Government spending and borrowing rules, labelling them “arbitrary”.

    The Herald has obtained a copy of a fiscal policy consultation document, sent out to members discussing a review of the Greens’ fiscal policy.

    Within that review is a commitment to scrap the party’s support of some of the Budget Responsibility Rules (BRRs) – co-written by Greens co-leader James Shaw and Finance Minister Grant Robertson before the 2017 election.

    Some of the rules have been highly controversial to Greens members, as they put a limit on spending and borrowing.

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    • Gezza

       /  15th November 2019

      From the embedded article:

      The BRRs [Budget Responsibility Rules] were only meant to be in place for the first term the Government was in power.

      Both Labour and the Greens said they would reassess the rules before the next election.

      Earlier this year, Robertson said the Labour Party was in the process of reviewing all its policies before the 2020 election and the BRRs would “absolutely” be a part of that.

      Another shabby leak about something that parties are legitimately doing & signalled an intention to do. Voters will make their call when required.

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    • Gezza

       /  15th November 2019

      Geez. That’s a really bad look. Did only Bomber (who seems to have now faded into obscurity) pick that one up?

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      • Blazer

         /  15th November 2019

        No ,but the media was very,very, tame towards the Natz for 9 years.
        Jobs are hard to get in journalism and the media companies are owned by the …right.

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        • Gezza

           /  15th November 2019

          Yep. I think you might be correct on that, when I think back.

          On a somewhat related issue, though, & ignoring HDPA, my impression is that most female journos & tv reporters give Ardern an easy ride. Would you agree?

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          • Blazer

             /  15th November 2019

            Possibly a united ‘sisters’ feel.
            Counter balanced by the rabid determination of the Hoskings types that want to bring her ..down.

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          • Gezza

             /  15th November 2019

            (It’s perfectly ok not to reply if you think so too but you’d rather not say so)

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          • Gezza

             /  15th November 2019

            Oh sorry. Never mind. 😀

            Good point about the Hosking type right wing neolib commentariat looking to rubbish everything she does. No government does nothing of value.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th November 2019

              The headline and article are totally misleading and disingenuous, making it sound as if Mary English profited from being on the board.

              She is one of a number of board members and the chances of them making money from this contract are probably zero.

              What a spiteful person Bomber is.

            • Gezza

               /  15th November 2019

              Oh. Sorry. Was her service on that board gratis?

            • Duker

               /  15th November 2019

              Plus Bomber lifted the story and details from an earlier Herald one.
              Its unlikely she benefited personally, but then again they put prominent people on boards as ‘influencers’ in getting over the line with government funded contracts.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th November 2019

              The headline made it sound as if she was making millions out of it and that the contract was awarded because of nepotism and crooked practice. The board may be given some kind of payment, but the money was awarded to the organisation, not to the people themselves as Bomber implied; he’s lucky that he wasn’t charged with defamation.

  4. Gezza

     /  15th November 2019

    I dunno why Stuff keeps trying to drag this storm in a teacup out.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-detail/117441141/the-detail-the-anger-behind-the-ok-boomer-viral-meme

    Everybody’s got over it. “Silly old duffer”; “Stupid kid” covers it for most of us & it’s gone on for generations. Situation normal.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  15th November 2019

      It was a childish comment and not very dignified in the circumstances.

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    • Duker

       /  15th November 2019

      Clickbait. gen Y clickbait is even better gold…better than young women on Tinder dates ( only thing missing was Uber and Airbnb

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    • Gezza

       /  15th November 2019

      Yes, that’s actually quite an sightful piece & puts the OK Boomer-utterers in their place.

      Chris, I imagine, is well and truly now decidedly in the middle class, which he casts as the ruling class-enablers.

      The fall of Soviet Communism (which seems to me to be a perversion of Marxism), the economic messes of some current, corrupted, nominally socialist now-dictatorships, & the economic rises of some communo-capitalist hybrid dictatorships complicate any analyses of whether Marxism is the answer to income inequalities (which are the principal driver of most of the popular revolts or widespread demonstrations happening around the world at the moment).

      (Hong Kong might be something of a stand-alone exception, because the young people’s determination to live in a free democratic society & not be dragged into the PRC’s Owellian authoritarian Communo-Capitalist system where everyone’s every doing is now monitored & justice & the legal system are a sour farce is primarily what’s driving unrest there.)

      I still think, among other countries around the world, New Zealand still looks to be one of the Western democratic countries where it’s still possible to ensure a reasonable balance of power among the haves & have nots, reward for effort, enterprise, education & risk, so long as we can keep enuf of our politicians honest & the Courts fair.

      That doesn’t require attempting to pigeonhole society into classes, the boundaries of which are often greyer now than in Marx’s time. That requires teaching the young to think for themselves, giving those who need it protection & assistance to enable acgood standard of living, giving those in economic strife a hand up, not a hand out, and ensuring equality of opportunity.

      In a wealthy society nobody should starve or be homeless, but nobody who can earn their way should get a free ride off others – whether they be bankers or (real) dole bludgers.

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      • Gezza

         /  15th November 2019

        Drat.
        *insightful piece

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      • Duker

         /  15th November 2019

        You forget Marxism was originally seen as ‘scientific’, it was just just beliefs it was provable .

        Sound like something else more recent.
        The earliest Marxists -Bolsheviks were fervent believers, the next generation less fervent but still felt it was the only way to ‘solve the problems’ of class struggle. The next generation just thought it was complete nonsense – these were the ones who broke the Soviet Union.

        History repeats , as we have a new scientific proven belief system

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  5. Gezza

     /  15th November 2019

    2 dead, 3 wounded, Southern California. Hail to The Chief. Dirty Donald & hIs NRA gun nut backers continue to support America setting the Western world record for school shootings.

    https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6103862976001

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  6. Gezza

     /  16th November 2019

    Local thieves

    Seen on the way to grocery shop with ma at New World this morning.

    The shop has very clear signs warning about CCTV and that they will prosecute. I imagine they’ve sent these images to the police as well – but there’s 3 months worth of these hi-res images on one of the shop windows.

    Each shoplifter is shown with an inscription of the date and exactly what they nicked.

    You’d have to be really bloody dumb to shoplift from this business. Every single image is clear & sharp enough for the thief to be instantly recognisable.

    I even noticed 2 photos, taken on different days, with different items noted as thieved, were of the same woman in different clothes.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  16th November 2019

      The Stupid Hall of Fame Supreme Award has to go to the fool who went to a record shop, found that the CD he wanted was out of stock and left his name, address and phone number.

      He then leaned over the counter and robbed the till, not realising that he was on CCTV.

      Then there’s the one who took his hood off and gazed at the camera, obviously wondering what it was…he would have found out.

      Some genius/es broke a window and stole some very expensive sewing machines from a shop in Hamilton,quite a few thousands of dollars worth. The machines were sitting there in the window, minus their boxes of course. But (equally of course) the cords and other such things were in the boxes; there’s no point in unpacking those. The thieves would have had nothing but the equivalent of cars with no engines for their trouble; completely unsaleable.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th November 2019

        A policeman told me that it was common for criminals to wear latex gloves to avoid leaving fingerprints and then take them off and leave them at the scene of the crime.

        Some mothers do ‘ave ’em.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  16th November 2019

          And you have to wonder about the bright sparks who video themselves doing things like breaking into cars and then put the videos online for all to see.

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    • Gezza

       /  17th November 2019

      Don’t bother God with this one. I doubt he’s listening. My bet is he’s long ago given up on humans as his biggest mistake & is quite probably looking right now now for a suitable asteroid.

      All Equab is doing is collectively guilt-shaming & moaning about the generation before his. Big deal. Who cares?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  17th November 2019

        I care because his ignorant incompetence prevents the real causes being identified and fixed.

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        • Gezza

           /  17th November 2019

          So, what are they, & when are you publishing an article in Stuff setting e eryone straight?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  17th November 2019

          A builder told me the other day that 30% of new builds in Northland are being done without consents and signed off by engineers for CoA approval only. The system is totally buggered for ordinary people.

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        • Blazer

           /  17th November 2019

          I thought guilt may have been…troubling you…the truth hurts..so they say.

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  7. Gezza

     /  17th November 2019

    Gareth calling it a day. Chap’s almost been invisible this term. Wrong gender I suspect.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117439116/outgoing-green-mp-gareth-hughes-says-the-government-has-not-been-transformational

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    • Corky

       /  17th November 2019

      Yep..apparently he was due to slide down the ladder at the next party reshuffle. No big loss. A climate change scammer with deluded perceptions of the way the world is. He has his pension, courtesy of me and other taxpayers, so he can’t complain. He will have no problems buying expensive health foods and supplements at his local health shop.

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  8. Gezza

     /  17th November 2019

    Obama tells Dems: If you want to win the Presidency – Get Real, Not Woke
    (or words to that general effect)

    Former US President Barack Obama has issued a warning to Democratic presidential candidates, cautioning them against policies that are not “rooted in reality”.

    Mr Obama said Democrats risked alienating voters if they lurched too far to the left politically.

    The former president, speaking at a fundraising event, said most voters didn’t want to “tear down the system”.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50445743

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    • Corky

       /  17th November 2019

      Excellent advice. Luckily for Trump the Dems won’t heed it.

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      • Gezza

         /  17th November 2019

        Meanwhile, political gossip about whether Hillary Clinton might enter the fray continues to set tongues wagging in Washington DC.

        In an interview with the BBC, Mrs Clinton said she was “under enormous pressure” to challenge Mr Trump, who beat her in the 2016 presidential election.

        The woman is severely deluded. A dead duck.

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      • Gezza

         /  17th November 2019

        It’s unbelievable they can have such a hard time figuring it out. The job’s there for the taking.

        All they have to do is present a candidate who can tweak what Trump’s done that works, and implement what he said he’d do but hasn’t, & package it as significant change, and not be a bully, tell the truth & not be a pathological liar, not be a narcissist, show a moral compass, contunually offer to work collaboratively with the other side, study the advice of departmental advisers before going against it, thus taking them with him, use Twitter wisely.

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