Trump impeachment hearing continues

Fox News: Yovanovitch testifies of being ‘kneecapped,’ as Trump claims everywhere she worked ‘turned bad’

Marie Yovanovitch, the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, pointed her finger at President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani while detailing her sudden removal from her diplomatic post during Friday’s nationally-televised impeachment testimony, as the president fired back in realtime and said every place she worked “turned bad.”

Earlier in the week Trump claimed that the hearing was boring and not worth wasting time on.

Trump’s comments ignited an outcry from Democrats: Intelligence Committee chairman Adam Schiff read Trump’s anti-Yovanovitch tweet during the hearing, and called it “witness intimidation.”

During her appearance, Yovanovitch, a career diplomat who served both Republican and Democratic presidents, relayed her story of being suddenly recalled by Trump in May, saying she believes Giuliani played a key role in telling people she was not sufficiently supportive of the president.

“I do not understand Mr. Giuliani’s motives for attacking me, nor can I offer an opinion on whether he believed the allegations he spread about me,” Yovanovitch said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ousted-ambassador-marie-yovanovitch-testifies-trump-impeachment-hearings

Trump has released the transcript of an earlier phone call with the Ukraine president.

Fox:

At the same time the hearing began Friday, the White House released a new transcript of the president’s first call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which showed Trump agreeing to meet with Ukraine’s president-elect — without preconditions — in the first official phone call between the two leaders.

Intelligence Committee ranking member Devin Nunes, R-Calif., read the entire letter in his opening statement. A separate call between the two leaders ignited the impeachment inquiry, and Republicans suggested the new transcript is helpful to the president’s argument he did nothing wrong in his conversations with Zelensky.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ousted-ambassador-marie-yovanovitch-testifies-trump-impeachment-hearings

That’s a nonsense claim by Nunes. What was said in one call doesn’t negate what was said in a separate later call.

Trump has been busy trying to distract from the hearing.

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  1. Another person who was close to Trump found guilty over the Russian interference investigation.

    Fox News: Roger Stone found guilty on all counts in trial stemming from Mueller probe

    Roger Stone was found guilty on all counts of obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements to Congress by a jury in Washington, D.C. federal court, after deliberations had been going on since Thursday morning.

    Stone was accused of providing false statements to the House Intelligence Committee about communications having to do with WikiLeaks, obstructing a congressional investigation of Russian election interference by falsely denying that he had evidence to turn over, and witness tampering.

    The prosecution argued that Stone intentionally lied about his use of intermediaries to get information about WikiLeaks’ possession and release of hacked Democratic emails. They said he hid the truth to protect Trump’s campaign.

    During the trial, several witnesses highlighted how Trump campaign associates were eager to gather information about emails the U.S. says were hacked by Russia and then provided to WikiLeaks. Stone was regarded as an “access point” to WikiLeaks due to his frequent boasts of having insider access to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

    The defense claimed that these were simply boasts, not based on actual inside connections with WikiLeaks.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roger-stone-found-guilty-in-trial-stemming-from-mueller-probe

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    • So every one of Trump’s lieutenants who has been charged has been found guilty or pled guilty – every single one.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th November 2019

        Pled ?

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        • Gezza

           /  16th November 2019

          North American past and past participle of plead.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  17th November 2019

            Ouch, I have heard it, but not often in NZ although American does seem to be taking over from English, alas.

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      • Pink David

         /  17th November 2019

        “So every one of Trump’s lieutenants who has been charged has been found guilty or pled guilty – every single one.”

        How many of them have been charged with Russian Interference in the election?

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  2. pajanrua

     /  16th November 2019

    Off course Trump has been busy trying to distract from the hearing and naturally will be feverishly using what he can from it to attack whomever.

    His remarks about Yovanovitch are symbolic. They represent his style, they demonstrate his lack of class and ignorance of history and play to his crowd.

    While the nuances of what the attack mean contextually might be beyond some and some will find his behaviour deeply disturbing, the most disturbing aspect will be Trump’s cheerleaders cheering his attack.

    No doubt they are the ones who wanted the swamp drained, the harbingers of new, higher quality ways of doing things. How does the whole hearing, what it is about and what specifically has come out speak to swamp draining?
    The treatment of Marie Yovanovitch suggests the swamp is more polluted than ever thought possible.

    (I’ve watched most of the Yovanovitch appearance today.)

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    • Gezza

       /  16th November 2019

      Dirty Donald didn’t Drain The Swamp. He just turned it into a sewer. He’s corrupt.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  16th November 2019

        He’s corrupt for trying to find out if Biden is corrupt?

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        • Gezza

           /  16th November 2019

          🙄 No.

          We don’t know if Biden is corrupt. But if he was the Ukranian police would be after him, the US FBI would be after him, & the US justice system would have had him indicted by now.

          Trump’s always been unethical, a blatant liar, & a bully, misusing people & using his claimed wealth to engage expensive lawyers to prevent them from getting legal redress. We all know that Despicable Donald is corrupt; he’s just continuing the unethical pattern of behaviour that he’s always displayed, only now he’s lied & bullshitted his way into the White House, so now it matters more.

          Fuxake Al. I shouldn’t have to be explaining this to you. Try & catch up. 😠

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  16th November 2019

            Farcical. Most if not all of the charges brought against Trump’s team would never have happened if he hadn’t been elected or if they had worked for Hilary. Get with the play, G.

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        • Hahahahahahahahahahaha … you’ve drunk Trump’s kool-ade.

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    • Corky

       /  16th November 2019

      Well, opinions like that are like piddling into the wind. If the Dems don’t get sorted, and Trumpy gets the chop, America will have wet trouser legs. And that’s what the world is begging for…a return to an effete country that is easily manipulated for aid and help.

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      • Gezza

         /  16th November 2019

        You think so? Like the help they gave South Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, & under Dirty Donald, their best anti-ISIS fighters, the Kurds? They need a decent President, not a corrupt narcissistic bullying patholigical liar.

        I’m fine with the US insisting that members of military alliances pay their way by meeting their agreed commitments, & even sharing the costs of maintaining military bases in their countries, but they should expect to be paid protection money like some military mafia.

        You’d need to check the US cost calculations under Trump. He’d be looking for profit.

        Countries are too slow for my liking in getting off their butts & figuring out how to get a global financial system established & in place that isn’t dominated by the US & thus used to wage savage economic war on whoever their current President & his cabal want destroyed. It needs to be one that no single economic superpower can control & wage financial war with.

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        • Gezza

           /  16th November 2019

          *shouldn’t expect to be paid

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        • “ check the US cost calculations under Trump. He’d be looking for profit.”

          It’s patently clear that Trump does nothing without demanding a quid pro quo. It’s the NY wise-guy in his blood coming out.

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  3. duperez

     /  16th November 2019

    One beautiful little moment today was the implication that the gravity of the situation, the meaning of it for the USA and its verities, the way government is carried out and a President can act, should be down to TV ratings.

    One Representative said TV ratings will plummet as the charade goes on. Let’s just knock the impeachment process on the head, people aren’t watching because there’s not enough truth in it! Or too much?

    The networks would have freed up time slots to fill. Re-run The Apprentice? Light bulb moment! An opportunity!

    How about a new series about wannabe politician-gangsters and nefarious affairs in nefarious European states? Bags picking the title and the names of the characters. 😊

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  16th November 2019

      How about something like Survivor ?

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    • Gezza

       /  16th November 2019

      I watched the entire first act, then a chunk of the 2nd act, after the recess, then switched off because there was more terribly bad acting going on there than on the earliest episodes of Shortland Street.

      The Yovanovich episode shows the depths to which Dirty Donald & his enablers will stoop to trash the reputations of anyone standing in their way. Jesus what a dirty little rat Giuliani is. The name even sounds mafiosi.

      But having established that there’s not been much point in allowing the show to run on & on while each side huffs & puffs with overblown faux patriotism & outrage, cheer-led by their bloated corrupt fuhrer busy tweeting away msnipulating them all like puppets.

      Just stick to the facts. Making it too much of a farce isn’t moving the dial closer to impeachment, as Aljazeera’s White House reporter noted. It may actually have the reverse effect as it enables the corrupt Trump regime to duck, dive, slander & divert, divert, divert ad nauseum.

      Trump’s enablers want to muddy the waters as much as possible & put people off the whole affair as they would shit themselves if he got dumped. They’ve got no one decent to replace him & dare not be caught looking for another candidate as they’re shit scared what he & his cronies might do to them.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th November 2019

        It will be a mystery to me forever that some women support this dirty old man; he’s on video saying that sex with young women (young enough to be his grandchildren even then) was the best because of their issues with their fathers. We all know about the crass remarks he’s made about women, both personal and general. It’s obvious that he sees women in terms of whether he wants to have sex with them or not.

        How can any woman vote for this repulsive misogynist ?

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      • Pink David

         /  16th November 2019

        “Just stick to the facts. ”

        Awesome, let’s do that;

        Q: “Do you have any information regarding POTUS accepting bribes?”

        Yovanovitch: “No”

        Q: Do you have any evidence of any criminal activity from POTUS?”

        Yovanovitch: “No”

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        • duperez

           /  16th November 2019

          That’s Jim Jordan talk.

          He should be the defence counsel in the Millane or Rush murder murder trials. He would be a real hoot. The (necessary) wide ranging forensic evidence would be dismissed as irrelevant with any witness not seeing someone being choked or stabbed deemed to have nothing of significance to contribute.

          Hopefully the juries and judges in those New Zealand situations have more intellect and plain common sense than the audience Jordan appeals to.

          Maybe electronic toys have seen jigsaws disappear.

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          • Pink David

             /  16th November 2019

            Chris Stewart was doing the questioning.

            As we are sticking to the facts, please keep to this. What is the crime this impeachment is prosecuting?

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            • Gezza

               /  16th November 2019

              Attempted bribery & grossly unethical behaviour: misuse of the office of President for personal political ends, I believe. Intimidating witnesses looks like it might get added.

            • Pink David

               /  16th November 2019

              Who bribed the President? What statute did this ‘unethical behavior’ break? Is the investigation of possible corruption by Biden of interest to the people of the United States, or just to Donald Trump?

              There was no witness intimidation. As the above testimony has made clear, Yovanovitch is not a witness to anything.

            • Gezza

               /  16th November 2019

              Don’t be dense, Pinky. She’s appearing as a witness – her testimony relates to the sequence of events, including Trump’s Giuliani’s character assassination of the current US Ambassador to the Ukraine, which set the stage for Trump’s attempt at bribery & coercion of another national leader.

            • Gezza

               /  16th November 2019

              Is the investigation of possible corruption by Biden of interest to the people of the United States, or just to Donald Trump?

              It’s of interest to everybody who’s interested & the investigation should be based on whther there is sufficient evidence to justify an investigation. Any such investigation is the responsibility of the police authorities in those countries. A President – and especially an unethical pathological liar & con man like Trump – should have no role in this, & attempting to improperly pressure another President into opening a possibly unjustified investigation into apolitical rival is misue of his office.

              Everybody knows it. Including the Republicans.

            • Pink David

               /  16th November 2019

              I thought this was sticking to facts and not just how you think things ‘should’ be?

              “which set the stage for Trump’s attempt at bribery & coercion of another national leader.”

              Isn’t all negotiating in foreign affairs bribery and coercion? Trump’s tariffs on Chinese trade are exactly that. In what way is it an impeachable offense? Biden did exactly this when he withheld aid to Ukraine until they fired a prosecutor. Wasn’t that ‘attempting to improperly pressure another President ‘?

            • Gezza

               /  16th November 2019

              In what way is it an impeachable offense?
              The House Committee is charged with determining whether it is or not. The Republicans are represented on thr Committee.

              Biden did exactly this when he withheld aid to Ukraine until they fired a prosecutor. Wasn’t that attempting to improperly pressure another President?
              I know nothing about that, but if it was true, Biden would have been sanctioned & Obama would have been impeached. This is the US, remember? The Republicans controlled the House & Senate.

              Was this Ukrainian prosecutor (who we’re told was notoriously corrupt) a political rival of Obama’s?

              Sounds like a diversion to me.

            • duperez

               /  16th November 2019

              What is the crime this impeachment is prosecuting? It is easy for us to make superficial definitive judgements about that. It’s easy for us to make judgements based on political partisan views.

              We will think our opinions are right yet meanwhile the best legal minds in the US will be arguing back and forth about it.

              One story (behind a wall) is “Trump’s defenders need to stop pretending impeachment is a criminal trial.”

              At this early stage of proceedings if the boot was on the other political foot, do you think notwithstanding the myriad complexity of the issues, Donald J Trump and his supporters would be calling for the hanging rope?

              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-crimes-explai/explainer-impeachment-depends-on-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-what-are-they-idUSKBN1WA288

              https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/what-does-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-actually-mean/600343/

            • Duker

               /  17th November 2019

              Bribery is the term Pelosi has been using recently as ‘quid pro quo’ didnt have the right ring to it.
              More broadly its ‘abuse of powers

            • Duker

               /  17th November 2019

              Comparing the China tariffs, is an example of where the actions and the rhetoric match. Improving the Us position.
              Trump wasnt interested in Ukraine corruption in general , only investigating the Bidens and maybe’ Clintons server’ too!

              The hold on military aid spending – not something that was decided by Trump to give , it was voted on by Congress- was only done for Trumps own political purposes. There is direct evidence of Trump wanting the Bidens to be investigated, not other general corruption there .

              US military aid money is usually spent on US equipment, so holding that up is a strange way to tackle government corruption . The EU is a bigger aid donor on more actual government programs
              ‘Since 2014, the EU and the European Financial Institutions have mobilised a package of more than €15 billion in grants and loans to support the reform process, with strong conditionality on continued progress.’
              https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/headQuarters-homepage/4081/eu-ukraine-relations-factsheet_en
              The normal stuff where you would have to be careful the money isnt wasted.

  4. Patzcuaro

     /  16th November 2019

    The Republicans don’t have to worry about Trump shooting a stranger on 5th Avenue, he is more likely to shoot himself in the foot.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  16th November 2019

      I would think that the state of their public pension fund would be enough to make the voters worried and angry at the prospect of there being nothing in the kitty for them if they work as public servants of any kind.

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      • Duker

         /  17th November 2019

        What US public servants pension fund. All US workers contribute to the public pension fund for income under about $125K or so. |There are others on top of that which may be related to the employer or state or local government.

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  5. Trump ignores Pentagon advice and intervenes in military war crimes cases

    President Donald Trump ignored Pentagon advice Friday and pardoned two service members, while also restoring the rank of a third after all faced war crimes allegations.

    Trump granted full pardons to Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance and Army Major Mathew Golsteyn, and restored the rank of Navy SEAL Eddie R. Gallagher, who had been demoted.

    Lorance was released from the United States Disciplinary Barracks in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, just before 10:30 p.m. local time Friday. He was wearing his Army uniform, according to CNN Producer Dan Shepherd who witnessed the reunion. His aunt, uncle, cousin and three nieces were waiting for him at a hotel following his release.

    Defense Secretary Mark Esper and other senior military leaders had told the President that a presidential pardon could potentially damage the integrity of the military judicial system, the ability of military leaders to ensure good order and discipline, and the confidence of US allies and partners who host US troops.

    “The President, as Commander-in-Chief, is ultimately responsible for ensuring that the law is enforced and when appropriate, that mercy is granted,” the White House said in a statement. “For more than two hundred years, presidents have used their authority to offer second chances to deserving individuals, including those in uniform who have served our country. These actions are in keeping with this long history. As the President has stated, ‘when our soldiers have to fight for our country, I want to give them the confidence to fight.’ ”

    Privately wary that the President would move against their recommendations, military officials had considered in advance what public posture to take if Trump refused to listen to their advice. Rather than try to explain a decision they cannot endorse, Pentagon officials are expected to simply refer questions to the White House.

    “This goes directly to our military culture,” one official told CNN. Another official said, “We all view this possibility as undermining the authority of command” in military units.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/15/politics/trump-war-crimes-intervenes/index.html

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    • Gezza

       /  17th November 2019

      Not a surprise. I’m expecting him to pardon all their war criminals. Trump really does consider Americans are the ubermensch & accountable to no one but other ubermensch.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  17th November 2019

      Trump was never elected to do what he is told.

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      • Gezza

         /  17th November 2019

        Trump was elected to fix the economy, the health system & border control, & to act as their President. Most voters wouldn’t have realised what an asshole he would turn out to be, & the only voters who still support him are assholes.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  17th November 2019

          His approval rating is currently 44% and he is quite likely to be reelected. Suggests your grip on reality has come loose.

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          • Gezza

             /  17th November 2019

            I don’t see how you reach the incorrect conclusion my grip on reality has come loose. The US has a helluva lot of assholes, & its well evident that some of their biggest are already in the Republican Party or are currently on his staff – for the time being.

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            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              I win again. 🏆

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              Nope, Trump wins again. His voters figure the military chain of command isn’t facing the bullets and IEDs and that winning the confidence of the Afghan government isn’t top of their priorities.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Nope America loses again because they elected a wilfully ignorant jingoistic narcissistic bullying pathological liar who encourages war crimes by their military as their President. It will come back to haunt thrm.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              The war crimes were enabled and funded by Trump”s sanctimonious predecessors as side effects of their killings of hundreds of thousands of people. Good to see your sense of balance and facts properly exposed.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Good to see your immoral theory that one war crime justifies others on display.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Keeping on winning. 🏅

              I’m on a roll. Might need a truck for my prizes. 🚚

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              The issue is appropriate punishment, not justification. Being sent to fight is probably already punishment enough, likely to come back broken if at all. But enjoy your safe sanctimony.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Apprpropriate punishment is free pardons & restitution of rank? Just because it’s Trump? What if it was Obama? Enjoy your moral relativism.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              I would have exactly the same opinion if it was Obama. England has the same issue wrt Northern Ireland service.

            • Duker

               /  17th November 2019

              Not the same problem as Northern Ireland . The UK military justice system didnt charge or convict at the time of actions.
              The current trials came about because of Ulster Police ‘historical investigations’ into shootings that seem to not be justified even under the laws of war.
              The civil justice system is being used because Ulster is part of the UK
              https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/06/ex-soldier-dennis-hutchings-denied-jury-trial-over-northern-ireland-killing
              ‘Dennis Hutchings, a former member of the Life Guards regiment, has been charged in relation to the 1974 fatal shooting of John Pat Cunningham, a man with learning difficulties who was running away from a patrol in County Tyrone.’

    • Pink David

       /  17th November 2019

      Trump is a hero for this. His reelection is a certainty.

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      • Gezza

         /  17th November 2019

        Assholes who don’t care about war criminals will certainly think he’s a hero, We’ll get to see how many assholes there are in 2020.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  17th November 2019

          If offensiveness makes an asshole you are qualifying with honours.

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          • Gezza

             /  17th November 2019

            Could never even come near the pinnacle that is your hero, Trump.

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          • Blazer

             /  17th November 2019

            isn’t it spelt…arseholes?

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          • I don’t know who you think you are, Alan, but your labored ad hominem attacks on people who think differently to you throughout this post tell me that you are unwilling or unable to constructively engage in the discussion.

            That renders debating with you a waste of time and energy.

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            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Al doesn’t debate. He issues peridiodic brief pronouncements. Doesn’t borher me. I just keep on winning.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Drat !
              *bother

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              It’s pretty clear who I think I am but much less so for you.

              If you had something worthwhile to contribute it could stand on its own feet, not mine.

            • Thanks Gezza, this reminds me (along with the comment below) of the story of Echo and Narcissus and why egomaniacs like to have the last word.

            • Alan, it would be much more interesting if you actually talked about the Trump impeachment inquiry.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Drat, I see I missed one …
              *periodic (or peri-idiotic)

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              Ishmael, it wasn’t me who called everyone with a contrary opinion assholes.

              Sorry, I don’t post for your interest. If you want to post about the impeachment charade and political posturing, do so. As above I simply noted Trump is accused of corruption for wanting Biden’s corruption investigated. Make of that what you will.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              @Ishmael, & if you read what I wrote, it wasn’t me who called “everyone with a contrary opinion” assholes either. That’s a fairly typical Al blatant mischaracterisation, That’s why his comments like that don’t bother me. Once he does that, I win again. 🏆

              The truck is on the way. 😎

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              the only voters who still support him are assholes

              Stupid and offensive to 44% of Americans.
              Enough said.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Where is that incorrect?

            • duperez

               /  17th November 2019

              AW, I’ll be pedantic and ask if Trump is accused of corruption for wanting Biden’s corruption investigated or the way that he went about it.

              Wanting someone investigated for a crime is different than hiring someone to have them done away with.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Well, if you’re going to be pedantic, what Biden’s corruption are you talking about? 😐

        • Pink David

           /  17th November 2019

          “Assholes who don’t care about war criminals will certainly think he’s a hero, We’ll get to see how many assholes there are in 2020.”

          Yes, you will. Assholes who think that an American solider who kills known enemies of the US should not then be put in prison for the ‘war crime’ of killing killing enemies of the United States.

          There are enough Assholes like this to reelect Trump.

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          • Gezza

             /  17th November 2019

            Quite possibly. We’ll have to wait & see though. You might want to talk to Al? Unlike you, he doesn’t understand that in supporting letting war criminals walk free they’re assholes.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th November 2019

              Poor G. Still obsessed with the notion that anyone who weighs context differently from him must be an asshole. Very ex-Catholic.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Er … that’s not true, I haven’t said that.
              Trump is
              a narcissist
              a bully, now using the White House as the world’s biggest bully pu,pit
              a braggart
              a liar
              a fraud
              a con artist
              a cheater
              willfully ignorant, cos intellectually lazy
              vengeful
              a name-caller
              dishonest

              All of these unsavoury aspects of his character are widely known & well-evidenced. In a nutshell, he’s an asshole. You have to be an asshole to like & support someone like that.
              America needs to get a President with some decency, not an asshole who appeals to the baser instincts of the ignorant & the lefty haters.

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              *pulpit

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              Reads more like it was written you Al. That’s why you posted it.

              Still winning here. 🏆

            • Gezza

               /  17th November 2019

              *written for you

              (Just not winning any prizes for proof-reading)

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  18th November 2019

              No, I posted it to help you understand your problem. I already understood it.

            • Gezza

               /  18th November 2019

              Reading that only reinforced what I’ve already said. I don’t have a problem with Trump. He doesn’t even know I exist. Sensible, decent Americans & his other victims have a problem with Trump. We’ve discussed this before. You are being too silly now. I’m moving on. 😎

          • Duker

             /  17th November 2019

            It was the US military that put these guys in prison, never heard of military law have you. One of them even had members of his own unit testify against him.
            Trump of course can’t pardon himself… Lock her up may come back to haunt him

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          • Duker

             /  17th November 2019

            Enough assholes to re election Trump?
            Trump’s support didn’t count in Kentucky where the GOP governor lost and Louisiana where the Dem governor held on. These are normally very red States.
            Trump made a point of going out of his way to get ‘his guy’ to win…..so Sad.

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  6. Blazer

     /  17th November 2019

    Trump has the military on his side…usually a very big advantage.

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  7. Trump’s “hearsay” defence of his call with Ukrainian President Zelensky has just collapsed.

    “The testimony released today shows that President Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky immediately set off alarm bells throughout the White House. Both witnesses provided the Committees with first-hand accounts after personally listening to the call in the White House Situation Room …

    Mr. Morrison confirmed Ambassador Taylor’s testimony to the Committees that the Ukrainians were told that U.S. military assistance, not just the White House meeting, was conditioned on their public announcement of political investigations that the President wanted. Additionally, following the September 1 meeting between President Zelensky and Vice President Pence, Mr. Morrison confirmed that Ambassador Sondland informed one of President Zelensky’s top aides that American military aid was conditioned on the investigations …

    Ms. Williams testified that the President’s requests were ‘unusual and inappropriate’ and shed light on ‘possible other motivations behind a security assistance hold.’ She also confirmed, like Lt. Col. Vindman, that the Ukrainian President specifically mentioned ‘Burisma’ during the call, even though the White House call record does not reflect that. Importantly, Ms. Williams also testified that in mid-May, President Trump instructed Vice President Pence to cancel plans to attend President Zelensky’s inauguration before the date for the inauguration had been set.”

    https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=849

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    Footnote:
    The transcripts from the impeachment inquiry now total 3,500 pages, nearly 3x the length of War and Peace – all from one “perfect” phone call.

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    • Ambassador Gordon Sondland also appears to be in a heap of trouble over the rebuttals of his testimony. There are now three witnesses to the conversation he had with Trump that indicated Trump was using foreign aid as a bribe for dirt on a political opponent.

      If Sondland doesn’t come forward and ‘fess up to what actually happened he could be going the way of Roger Stone.

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