“Another 1,000 years” of coal reserves on West Coast

Not surprisingly this tweet from National list MP Maureen Pugh got a lot of reaction on Twitter.

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  1. Griff.

     /  18th November 2019

    We did not leave the stone age because we run out of stones.
    Coal is a 1800’s technology .
    The Coal industry is going to die. Trying to prop up Coal is wasted effort.

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    • Gerrit

       /  18th November 2019

      Yet the India and Chinese economies run on burning more and more coal. Moral question is; should we (New Zealand) supply that coal, have a humongous party on the proceeds till the end of times in 2030, and all die happy?

      Or let Australia supply that coal, have a humongous party on the proceeds till the end of times in 2030, and all die happy?

      Mind you New Zealand could not ever match Australia’s sheer quantity of coal being exported. New Zealand neither has the infrastructure nor willpower to match those Australians.

      https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/after-decades-of-growth-newcastle-coal-exports-appear-to-have-levelled-out/

      Guess they will have the bigger party till the end of time in 2030.

      The volume of coal able to be exported from New Zealand pales into insignificance to what the Australians can and do provide, to meet the demand (and this is the kicker) from “emerging” nations.

      Lets enjoy the next ten years, till the end off time, sell coal and party hard.

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      • Gezza

         /  18th November 2019

        Or let Australia supply that coal, have a humongous party on the proceeds till the end of times in 2030, and all die happy?

        The way things are going over there, by then, they may all be living in tents & not be very happy cos their homes have all burned down.

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        • Gezza

           /  18th November 2019

          Speaking of which, there was a clear view of a still-nearly-full moon in the Northwest sky this morning – and it was a creamy pink. Very cool.

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        • Pink David

           /  18th November 2019

          Bush fires won’t be a problem if they had the sense to clear fell it to mine the coal underneath.

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          • Duker

             /  18th November 2019

            Outside Melbourne the village of Kinglake where 122 died in 2009 , now has more houses than before the fires.
            https://www.theage.com.au/national/in-the-path-of-disaster-the-big-causes-of-bushfires-that-most-of-us-are-missing-20191115-p53b0b.html

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            • Gezza

               /  18th November 2019

              Yep. And that article says the folk who’ve rebuilt in the leafy suburbs are just as, or more, likely to see their homes go up in smoke again !

              Sydneysiders were shocked last week by images of planes dropping flame retardant on homes in South Turramurra, a leafy and affluent outer suburb of Sydney.

              They should not be.

              Many fires are lit by humans, either deliberately or accidentally. More people in leafy areas means more fires, and more homes burnt and lives lost.

              “We are putting people in harm’s way because of population growth,” says Professor Alan March, an urban planning expert at the University of Melbourne.

              “Yes, climate change is causing more-severe weather, but demographic changes are having an equal impact and deserve just as much of our attention,” says Dr Richard Thornton, CEO of the Bushfire and Natural Hazards Research Centre.

              We do similar stuff. We build houses near volcanos, in earthquake zones, in flood zones, in places that get tinder dry etc. Part of the human condition, I guess. You can’t avoid all risk all your life.

          • Gezza

             /  18th November 2019

            There aren’t nearly enuf machines n trux to mine the areas they’re losing to bush fires.

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            • Duker

               /  18th November 2019

              Fire risk is different, surely you have seen all the old buildings being stregthned.
              California never wins against fire either…so much climate virtue and so liittle result.

      • Griff.

         /  18th November 2019

        Stage 1: Deny the Problem Exists
        Stage 2: Deny We’re the Cause
        Stage 3: Deny It’s a Problem
        Stage 4: Deny We can Solve It
        Stage 5: It’s too Late

        Just a little step further Gerrit and you might just manged to include actual reality in your world view.
        I will not hold my breath… boomer.

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        • Gerrit

           /  18th November 2019

          Who is “we” white man (a reference to the lone ranger joke)? One the problem exists, acknowledged. Two humans are the cause, partly acknowledged. Three it is a problem, acknowledged. It can be solved, acknowledged.

          Problem is 40% of the worlds population is not on board to solve the problem as per the Paris agreement. Solve that and you may have a faint chance.

          So yes it is too late.

          Party time.

          And the use of “boomer”. How childish. Tell someone who cares, Boomers don’t, we have seen enough false alarms on doomsday scenarios, we leave the angst, the nail biting, the gnashing of teeth, the frothing at the mouth, to the young and impressionable to enjoy their guilt trip..

          Like this young pup with the plastic phobia

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/117322980/young-kiwis-anxiety-about-plastic-similar-to-previous-nuclear-war-fears

          Who gets anxious over plastic yet wears plastic glass frames and lenses, goes to the supermarket on fossil fuel derived roads, on fossil fuel derived tires and in a car which is 100% dependent in construction on fossil fuel.

          Wonder how far away youth today is away from constructing fall out shelters to protect themselves from fossil fuel fallout.? .

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  18th November 2019

            They also, one must assume, use computers and phones, watch televisions and use other appliances; microwaves, kettles, heaters…

            If someone’s panicking over using a toothbrush, why don’t they do as Indians used to do; pick a twig every day and fan out the end ? The idea of reusing a toothbrush was seen as unhygienic (which it is, of course)

            These fragile wee blossoms are the new end timers.

            Have they never heard of recycling ? Or do they just chuck everything into the bin ?

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      • Duker

         /  18th November 2019

        Newcastle ? At 150 mill tonnes, the worlds largest, they had to ‘level out’
        “50 to 60 coal trains per day up to 1.5 kilometres in length.”

        But wait ….
        https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/queensland-coal-exports-hit-new-record-in-2018/

        They have a new one , Gladstone is exporting massive amounts of liquified natural gas (20 mill tonnes) – we should be getting some of that as cheaper world prices rather being held hostage by our own natural gas suppliers

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  2. Blazer

     /  18th November 2019

    nic pic….Oilslick Simon….and a …fucking useless Nat M.P.Bol.

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    • duperez

       /  18th November 2019

      I smiled at the picture and looked at the fun side of it.

      “She (maureen Pugh) said the comments from Bridges were disappointing to hear but had forgiven him after he reached out and apologised.

      “Obviously, I was disappointed to hear today’s comments. But Simon has apologised and I have accepted that,” Pugh wrote on Twitter. …

      Bridges fronted media after the tape was released and offered a “heartfelt apology” to Pugh.

      “I have apologised profusely to her for my wrong comments,” he said.

      “I am mortified. There is no excuse for them.”

      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/maureen-pugh-responds-to-f-ing-useless-comments/

      To get more onto your wavelength though, he didn’t say he was wrong. 😊

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      • Gezza

         /  18th November 2019

        Which reminds me. Whatever has happened to that police investigation into the donations scam that JLR & the media made such a major drama of that it was carried on all media for days? Just seems to have sunk without trace. Very curious.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  18th November 2019

          Like the Labour Party rape/s that the PM knew nothing about…

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        • alloytoo

           /  18th November 2019

          I’d be more interested in who is bankrolling all of JLR’s expensive new signs littering the district

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  18th November 2019

            There are laws about how much can be spent on this sort of thing; are they election posters ???

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            • Duker

               /  18th November 2019

              No they aren’t. But it’s a common national party trick….put up signs with your photo and name and the small print days something about a public meeting…JLR knows how to play the game.
              I’m sure he will have some more bombshell tapes to come …especially when the police do somersaults over not laying charges over the salami $100k.

  3. Corky

     /  18th November 2019

    ”Coasters can’t afford another three years of this Government and its constant attacks on West Coast livelihoods.”

    Wrong! Our country can’t afford another three years of these dangerous idiots. But that’s what we are on track to getting.

    Given the slow advancement of so-called alternative energy sources, I believe National has the RIGHT idea. We have a natural resource… fugging use it to our advantage. Why handicap ourselves because of some impractical ideological stance?

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  4. Blazer

     /  18th November 2019

    ‘Workin’ in the coal mine
    Goin’ on down, down
    Workin’ in a coal mine
    Oops, about to slip down
    Workin’ in a coal mine
    Goin’ on down, down
    Workin’ in a coal mine
    Oops, about to slip down

    Five o’clock in the mornin’
    I’m already up and gone
    Lord, I’m so tired
    How long can this go on?
    Workin’ in the coal mine
    Goin’ on down, down
    Workin’ in a coal mine
    Oops, about to slip down
    Workin’ in a coal mine
    Goin’ on down, down
    Workin’ in a coal mine
    Oops, about to slip down

    ‘Cause I make a little money
    Haulin’ coal by the ton
    When Saturday rolls around
    I’m too tired for havin’ fun

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    • Corky

       /  18th November 2019

      Workin on a windmill
      Going round and round
      Looking for a trickle
      To appease the fickled
      Coal may deliver a communities wants
      But I know my windmill is what wokes want.

      😂😂😂

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      • Blazer

         /  18th November 2019

        ‘Like a tunnel you can follow
        To a tunnel of its own
        Down a hollow to a cavern
        Where the sun has never shone

        Like a door that keeps revolving
        In a half forgotten dream
        Or the ripples from a pebble
        Someone tosses in a stream

        Like a clock whose hands are sweeping
        Past the minutes of its face
        And the world is like an apple
        Whirling silently in space

        Like the circles that you find
        In the windmills of your mind’

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  5. Zedd

     /  18th November 2019

    Leave the coal in the hole… it is time, we moved to zero-carbon !

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  6. Duker

     /  18th November 2019

    For the Beltway audience National signs the Paris Accord ( Simon and Paula were our climate ministers at Paris ) and unanimously votes for Labour-Greens Zero Carbon Act.
    Out in the Provinces National pretends that neither of the two positions exists. They both are filling and draining ‘the swamp’ on alternate days

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th November 2019

      What beltway ? We don’t have that in NZ; it’s an American thing like the Senate and the White House.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th November 2019

        Next you’ll think that we swear allegiance to the flag every day and celebrate the 4th of July.

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        • Gezza

           /  18th November 2019

          It is a bit journalistically lazy, in a way. The Beltway really describes the central HQ area of the Washington federal bureaucracy, I gather. The UK equivalent is probably Whitehall. If someone was tasked with coming up with appropriate one-word term appropriate to Wellington’s equvalent it might be difficult seeing Departmental Head Offices are spread around a bit nowadays. I’ve noticed on occasion that No 1 The Terrace sometimes get used for the Reserve Bank.

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          • Duker

             /  18th November 2019

            here it means the ‘Thorndon bubble ‘ and similar in other NZ cities, the journos and other opinion shapers all live inside said bubbles.

            Its part of politics for an opposition party to sit on the fence and nod their head to those opposing Govt policies – in full knowledge they will do nothing about changing it in government . But in this Climate change issue, on the international stage and in parliament National party have complete support for the government policies ( unanimous support for Zero [Nett] Carbon Bill) and Simon does much much more than ‘nod’ – hes full on forked tongue out of both sides of his mouth at once. Its too stunning of his complete duplicity.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  18th November 2019

    There is no limit to woke manipulation of climate alarmism:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12285562

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th November 2019

      Spare me. I am a vegetarian and haven’t eaten meat for years but this extremist is…an extremist. She needn’t eat the snags; I wouldn’t, I’d donate the cost. What a mean-spirited criticism. Where’s the evidence that meat contributes to climate change ? I had to use power to cook my meal tonight.

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    • Griff.

       /  18th November 2019

      The use of “woke” as a term of abuse by rightwingers has expanded rapidly in the recent past. A typical example is Deputy PM McCormack’s claim (rapidly refuted by fire chiefs) that the supposed relationship between climate change and the bushfire disaster arose from “the ravings of some pure, enlightened and woke capital-city greenies.”

      This is striking for a couple of reasons. First, I’ve never seen anyone in Australia describe themselves as “woke”. That’s not surprising: the term comes from the US and refers to changed consciousness of the structures of racial oppression there, and specifically to the position of black Americans. Being “woke” refers to things like the gaining of a new understanding the way blacks are portrayed in the media.

      While Australia has plenty of problems with racism, particularly in relation to indigenous Australians, there hasn’t been any real transformation of consciousness here, or at least, anything sufficient to be announced as an awakening. So, the pejorative use of “woke” is yet another example of the dependence of the Australian right on culture war tropes imported from the US.

      The same is true, by the way, of “political correctness”. The term was initially used ironically within the US left of people who were more concerned with taking the “correct line” than with effective action. It was then appropriated by the right to become the catchphrase we all know. In the Australian context, the term “ideologically sound” was used within the left, in just the same way as “politically correct”, but our local rightwingers never picked it up.

      A second striking observation is that, having no real referent in Australia, “woke” is being used as an all purpose pejorative for anything the right doesn’t like. There’s nothing “woke” about being worried about climate change – the entire scientific community has been shouting about it for decades.

      https://johnquiggin.com/2019/11/18/woke/

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