British politicians on monarchy “wouldn’t that be an appropriate time to call it a day”

Prince Andrew may have done significant damage to the British monarchy. His disastrous interview led to his brother Charles asking their mother Elizabeth to dump him from royal duties. British politicians are suggesting that once the Queen’s reign ends maybe all royal duties could be dumped.

Daily Express: End the monarchy? SNP Sturgeon demands talk on Royal Family future after Prince Andrew row

The Royal Family has been caught up in the furore surrounding Prince Andrew’s car crash BBC interview over his relationship with the disgraced US financier Jeffrey Epstein. In the biggest crisis the Queen has faced since the death of Princess Diana, some are now calling for a national debate over the monarchy’s future. Jeremy Corbyn has led the way with calls to rid the UK of its Royal tradition, saying that he would create a Head of State to replace the Queen.

In an interview with GMTV, Mr Corbyn said: “I think it’s time that we just moved on and said, when the Queen completes her reign, wouldn’t that be an appropriate time to call it a day and have an elected Head of State.”

And now it seems that Nicola Sturgeon has lent her support to Mr Corbyn’s republican agenda.

In an interview on ITV News At Ten on Thursday, the SNP leader argued that it was time to have a debate over the role of the monarchy.

When asked whether the Prince Andrew affair made her consider whether the monarchy is fit for purpose, she replied: “I think it raises a number of questions.

It’s most unlikely anything will happen (beyond whittling down the hangers on like Andrew) while Elizabeth remains queen, but if party leaders in the UK are openly questioning the monarchy, or saying it should end in the next decade or so, then it must have just about done it’s dash.

There’s even less need for the monarchy here on the other side of the world. It really isn’t relevant to us in Aotearoa, apart from providing a bit of hob nobbing and rubbing shoulders with royal celebrities for some of our politicians.

Prince Charles has just visited and that was very low key. I think that most of us just didn’t care.

It would be simple for us to become independent of a ruling system that hasn’t ruled for a long time, here or in Britain. We could keep something like the Governor General here, maybe renamed, for some official signing stuff and a token check on the power of politicians, but we wouldn’t need much.

I don’t think we need a president, or anything called a president. That would imply some sort of power that they shouldn’t have.

I doubt our politicians would have the gumption to drop the monarchy. Jacinda Ardern seems to like the hob nobbing. Simon Bridges seems quite conservative so I doubt he would do anything semi-radical on the monarchy.

But it could be forced on us if Britain separates it’s governance from the monarchy. If they do that it would be more ridiculous than it is now to maintain a connection that has no relevance to modern New Zealand.  they Queen hasn’t been here for yonks and won’t be back.  Princes come and shake a few hands every few years but I’m sure we could manage without that sort of poncing.

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  1. Pink David

     /  30th November 2019

    “There’s even less need for the monarchy here on the other side of the world. It really isn’t relevant to us in Aotearoa, apart from providing a bit of hob nobbing and rubbing shoulders with royal celebrities for some of our politicians.”

    Yes, much better if we replace them with some has-been politicians who can draw large retirement salaries and provide all the required bit of hob nobbing at far greater cost.

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    • That’s a lame diss. As bad as saying we should ditch democracy in case someonne like Clark/Key/Ardern/Bridges/Peters becomes Prime Minister.

      It need be no different in how they’re appointed and how much they cost than the current Governor General. Actually it should be cheaper without the trips to London.

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      • Pink David

         /  30th November 2019

        Well, there is enough justification for democracy that I could handle one layer of people like Key/Clark et.al. There is no reason to create another layer of them.

        It will be exactly the same as the Irish President, but at a higher cost than the GG.

        It’s moot anyway, the UK isn’t dumping the monarchy anytime soon.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  30th November 2019

          Can’t see the House of Lords voting to abolish themselves no matter how many Labour peers are created.

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      • Duker

         /  30th November 2019

        The Swiss , once the Helvetian Republic,now a confederation, have an unique sytem without an ‘office of President’ .
        The Federal council is the collective Head of State, it’s members rotate each year to be ex officio President , first amount equals.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Council_(Switzerland)

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  2. Duker

     /  30th November 2019

    The word President was a low key term until the US used it , now they have it everywhere in business and even at school -Class President.
    Its fanciful that UK will ditch the monarchy, even if Corbyn likes that ( probably always has) but its not labour policy.
    And no Sturgeon hasnt lent her support, calling for a debate is a normal political fence sitting tactic.
    Andrew having a ‘disastrous interview’ is weird , he was himself, not some PR candy floss such as ‘I hear your pain’, why is that surprising. Like his fathers hes always been like that. The fuss just proves the monarchy still has pulling power , and that just Andrew has joined that even more reviled than boomer group- ‘stale pale male’. Charles has long been there too. Historically the British have had far worse than Andrew with their royals

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  3. Gezza

     /  30th November 2019

    I can’t see the Brits dumping the Monarchy. The UK without the monarchy wouldn’t be the UK. They’re wedded to it. There might be more impetus to stop funding some of those more distant from the throne.

    Dumping the monarchy here will likely be resisted by Maori because of the special significance of the Treaty relationship with the British crown.

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  4. NOEL

     /  30th November 2019

    When Charles came here recently during conversation I said “there goes 30 million.”
    Appeared I got up the nose of a visiting royalist who suggested the problem was the Government inviting them.
    Was tempted to ask if Charles ever considers the number of hip operations his sojourns around the world cost.

    I changed tack and said well the Aussies were tempted to dump the monarchy until the Pollies said they would select the President when they had a change of heart.

    The fact that we got rid of Knights and Dames, to have them quickly returned indicates where the real opposition is.

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    • Duker

       /  30th November 2019

      $30 mill? Every 5 years or so he arrives with his consort ,and the extra cost may be $300k …once they couldn’t get Queen Victoria out of Balmoral or Osborne house.
      Maybe the worthies in our provinces these days look forward to a visit from the First Consul himself, Shane Jones

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  5. NOEL

     /  30th November 2019

    Ok exaggeration but Harry, William and Charles bit more than your cost.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/royal-tour/10127846/Breakdown-on-royal-visit-cost-revealed

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    • NOEL

       /  30th November 2019

      Harry William and Charles looks to be around 150 hip operations.

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    • Duker

       /  30th November 2019

      Exaggeration? , 30 x is Zimbabwe inflation level – for a week.
      The largest amount is personnel almost $0.5 mill, but these people were already employed doing who knows what, just for a period it was allocated to another payroll code.
      It’s extra costs that we wouldn’t spend that year I’m thinking of , so we are back to the below $0.5 mill figure. You couldn’t get a QC for a difficult case for the state for that sort of money. Charles has the Duchy for his own lifestyle costs …his own mattress and toilet seat and flunkies where ever he travels in Britain.
      Mine was probably only an impoverished Danish Duchy with some rocky islands and a fiefdom of herrings

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  6. Labour wouldn’t even let us change the flag, despite it being there own policy, so there’s chance of dumping the monarchy.

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    • Duker

       /  1st December 2019

      They didnt tell me to oppose the change , which I did because I didnt like the designs offered which were mostly insipid too busy variations of the same ferns, southern crosses etc. Red peak was at least a step in the right direction. I think they should have bought in professional designers earlier rather than that ‘committee’ process

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st December 2019

        Rubbish. They should have held a public auction where those who put up the most money won. Problem solved and more hip operations funded.

        Even better if Lab-Green voters paid for them.

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  7. With respect, Corbyn and Sturgeon saying anything about the monarchy means nothing. They are extremists who will never have any say on the matter, and even less hope of it after such pronouncements.

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