Mass attacks and killings

The London bridge stabbings were awful, with two people murdered.
RNZ: London Bridge attack: two dead after ‘terror’ stabbings

British authorities have named the suspect who was shot dead by police after a stabbing spree that left two members of the public dead, with three in hospital.

This is a concern: Boris Johnson says 74 terror prisoners released early

This is not regarded as terrorism so probably won’t be reported here: Brighton crash: Three men hit by car during ‘fight with weapons’

Police said three men were struck by the car as a large group of people fought with weapons in Marine Parade at about 05:20 GMT.

A “fast moving investigation” had established the attack was not terror-related, Sussex Police said.

Meanwhile another mass shooting in the US: Eleven shot near New Orleans’ French Quarter

Police in New Orleans say there have been 11 victims of a shooting incident near the French Quarter tourist hub. Two people are in critical condition, with shots to the chest and torso respectively. No fatalities have been reported.

And this will probably hardly make the news here: Mexico gunbattle near Texas border between suspected cartel members, police leaves at least 21 dead

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47 Comments

  1. Stuff/Washington Post – London terror attack: One of the men who helped stop terrorist is a convicted killer

    Convicted murderer James Ford, 42, was on day release from prison when he saw the attack unfolding and rushed to help during the chaos. According to British media reports, Ford had attended the same prisoner rehabilitation event as 28-year-old attacker Usman Khan, a convicted Islamist terrorist, who killed two people before being shot dead by police.

    “He is not a hero. He is a murderer out on day release, which us as a family didn’t know anything about. He murdered a disabled girl. He is not a hero, absolutely not,” Amanda’s aunt, Angela Cox, told the Daily Mail.

    Her anger is understandable. He still took heroic action in the Bridge incident, despite his past.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  2nd December 2019

    Yawn, a homegrown Muslim kills 2 and dies and KB and YSB and most islamophobes goes into overdrive with hatred and death pleas BUT when a white supremacist kills 50+ at a concert” he must have had mental issues”yawn move on nothing to see here…death can come from anywhere.

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    • Corky

       /  2nd December 2019

      Older timer..you should know. You are dancing with death every day. Sooner rather than later, the music is going to stop…and I can promise you, you won’t be yawning and saying ‘let’s move on.’

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      • lurcher1948

         /  2nd December 2019

        Got it in for me, Corky….haven’t you, I would put my health up against yours any day
        PS just done 2 days agility up at Feilding, running hard with 2 dogs.

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        • Corky

           /  2nd December 2019

          Old timer, I suck Browns Gas and munch Diatomaceous earth. If you tried that your rug would shoot through the ceiling. However, kudos for 2 days of getting out and about.

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          • lurcher1948

             /  2nd December 2019

            Actually in the last 3 weeks,I have competed in Clive,Clarevale and Feilding and my heels feel stuffed

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            • Corky

               /  2nd December 2019

              Eat the earth and your heels and any cracks will heal within a week. It’s the silica…the most important of all minerals. Your joints will also free up, and your BP and cholesterol will go down. Feed it to your dogs, too. They may win some more gold medals.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  2nd December 2019

              They couldn’t win any more first prizes than they already have, they’d be winning more prizes than there are prizes to win.

              Eating soil and inhaling carbon monoxide don’t really appeal, I must say.

            • Corky

               /  2nd December 2019

              Don’t listen to Kitty, Old Timer. She doesn’t know what Diatomaceous Earth is. Ignorance is bliss as they say.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  2nd December 2019

              You said ‘eat the earth’ in your second post without specifying a type of earth.

              ‘They’ may say wrongly that ignorance is bliss, but Alexander Pope said
              ‘Where igorance is bliss. ’tis folly to be wise.’ This is not the same as blanket ignorance being blissful.

              He also said that ‘A little learning is a dangerous thing/Drink deep, or touch not the Pierian Spring.’

            • Corky

               /  2nd December 2019

              Don’t use filter grade Earth old timer..use food grade, It is kind of hard to miss when you buy it from any outlet.

              ‘I don’t know, Marge…trying is the first step towards failure.’
              – Homer Simpson.

              😂😂😂

            • Corky

               /  2nd December 2019

              Google should be banned. It allows the ignorant to prattle on about something they have just heard about. Talk about ‘fake news.’ That’s nothing compared to fake comments.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  2nd December 2019

            Anyone who eats the filter grade of the diatomeous earth will be poisoned by it.

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            • Duker

               /  2nd December 2019

              Theres hope yet

            • Corky

               /  2nd December 2019

              She couldn’t afford to pay $30 for a half a kilo.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  2nd December 2019

              I wouldn’t be gullible enough to believe that just because something’s advocated online, it must be good; that’s like saying that it must be true, it was in the paper.

              I could afford $30,of course, but see no reason to spend it on 500g of silica.

              Nor would I buy a machine that makes what seems to be a version of carbon monoxide and inhale this.

              Fancy admitting to watching the Simpsons and memorising lines from it, then crying with laughter at them….well, I suppose that some people do watch this sort of thing or it wouldn’t be made.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  2nd December 2019

              And if you’re paying that, you are a mug; it’s much cheaper in most place. You’re paying half as much again as you need to.

            • Corky

               /  2nd December 2019

              In fact, old timer, Kitty has a point. Don’t take my word for it. Do your homework then TRY it if you think it may help. The operative word is ‘try it.’ Don’t be a speculative bystander like some who never try anything, yet have firm opinions about things they have no practical experience with.

              And for Pete’s sake do not breath carbon monoxide.

    • Gezza

       /  2nd December 2019

      If you’re talking about the Las Vegas shooter, I don’t think he was a white supremacist, Lurchy.

      Anyway that’s the US. The place is awash with legal & illegal guns. Multiple & mass shootings & school shootings by their own citizens there are nowadays just a part of US culture.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  2nd December 2019

        Three mass shootings in the US on the 1st of December have left 5 (2, 2 and 1) dead and 20 injured. 11 in one case.

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      • Corky

         /  2nd December 2019

        Yes, someone who gets it. You have to live with native terror..but you shouldn’t have to tolerate importeded terror.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  2nd December 2019

          The London Bridge killer wasn’t ‘importeded’ as you put it, he was a British national.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  2nd December 2019

          And as he was British born, it was ‘native terror’.

          People are just as dead when they’re killed by one of their countrymen as they are when it’s a migrant. They’re just as dead when the killer is the same skin colour as they are. I don’t suppose that the families of the five people killed in the US yesterday think it’s just something that they have to learn to live with.

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  3. Corky

     /  2nd December 2019

    Two of those attacks we could do nothing about. You can’t disown your own people and deport them. And you cannot now disown Muslims in the West because they have complied with all legal requirements to be Western citizens. Things may have been better if from 2005 onwards when European countries were warned of the threat Islam posed, they had done something about it and closed their borders. Politicians did nothing – and two families of innocent victims now grieve for their loved ones.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd December 2019

      This might never have become such a problem had Western politicians NOT done something & invaded Afghanistan & Iraq.

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      • Corky

         /  2nd December 2019

        Doesn’t matter what the morality of the case is, they could have made a decision to close their borders to Muslims.

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        • Gezza

           /  2nd December 2019

          Well they can’t really, Corky. They’re all kept running on rich Middle Eastern Muslims’ governments’ money & oil & gas resources. Close the borders, their diplomatic relations could turn to custard & their economies could suffer.

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          • Corky

             /  2nd December 2019

            Some times tough decisions can hurt. I guess a few hundred Infidel deaths here and there is a small price to pay for stable government. A pity the man in the street always looks at the effects and never the cause of his misery.

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    • Blazer

       /  2nd December 2019

      not forgetting 1 million died in…Iraq.

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    • Duker

       /  2nd December 2019

      What has ‘closed their borders’ got to do with it ? Khan was born and raised in Stoke on Trent!
      The real problem was the US and UK invasion of Iraq destabilised those countries.
      Long before the problems of the Middle east , Europe was affected by the instability and wars in the Balkans or even a US terrorist attack in 1920 in Wall St where 38 were killed ( an Italian migrant anarchist). Britain long had Irish terrorism ‘spill over’ to the mainland.

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      • Corky

         /  2nd December 2019

        My, your comments have improved quite markedly in clarity from your last reply to me.

        ”What has ‘closed their borders’ got to do with it ? Khan was born and raised in Stoke on Trent!”

        Yeah. I kind of alluded to that in my original post. The horse has truly bolted in the West.
        Khan..rings a bell. Oh, yes, he of ‘House Muslim’ fame. A most unkind comment to say about some fellow Muslims.

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        • Duker

           /  2nd December 2019

          And what was the ’cause’ this person and others like him were conducting their terrorism for …. was against the conflict in Kashmir…. was for Catalan Independence …. Answe that and you have ‘the problem’
          You cant see the wood for the trees
          We had an Australian coming here to commit terrorism in the cause of white supremacists…hmm closing borders against muslims that will fix it

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          • Corky

             /  2nd December 2019

            Read my reply to Gezza, above.

            ”You cant see the wood for the trees”

            No, Duke, I can see the woods quite clearly. And when you can see the woods clearly, it’s quite easy to demarcate individual trees.

            ”We had an Australian coming here to commit terrorism in the cause of white supremacists…hmm closing borders against Muslims that will fix it.”

            No, closing the borders will not fix things completely…given the enemy is behind our front line ( we let them walk in). What it will do is stop or slow the situation becoming worse.

            1- Slowing of Muslim birthrate.
            2- Less manpower for intelligence and policing needed.
            3- Stopping Muslim ”no go” areas from becoming larger and more influential.
            4- Slowing social issues like rape and violence.
            5- Allowing the majority of Muslims to become more Westernised without fresh advocates for the Islamic way continually coming into Muslim neighbourhoods.

            People like you just don’t get it. You don’t get it because your middle class ways cloud your judgement into thinking everyone has your values..and your way of thinking and acting.

            How many more people have to die before you and your ilk get it?

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            • Duker

               /  2nd December 2019

              We have a prime example of brainwashing here with your comments…you fill your head with hate from websites that preach this nonsense.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd December 2019

              As long as the West keeps troops in the Middle East & stays involved in their politics & wars & demanding access or effective control of their oil this is likely to continue to be a problem.

              The reverberations of their invasions of Iraq continue today. The political framework the US engineered in Iraq is currently imploding. Hundreds of protestors have now been shot dead by Iraqi security forces. Their PM has resigned but that’s not enuf for the protestors, they want the whole lot out & new elections asap.

              The US still has troops & bases there I think. Trump was talking a while back about being able to intervene in Syria if necessary from Iraq. The bugger invited himself into the country to visit the truppen last Christmas. He’s just done the same thing again in Afghanistan.

              Even Shiite protestors have begun to burn Iranian consulate buildings, because they claim the Iranians have too much influence in their country. How long before they turn on the Americans & other Westerners there?

            • Corky

               /  2nd December 2019

              If you think I need a website to tell me the obvious, you are in worse intellectual shape then I previously suspected. I do my own work. You are welcome to find the website where I got my points for my above post if you want. You find any though.

              It’s you who is brainwashed. And telling porkies, too. I have not preached hate. Show me where I have?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  2nd December 2019

              Where haven’t you ?

              The London Bridge killer was a British national, too, so was probably born there. Just as many other UK murderers have been.

              The IRA killed hundreds of people in the UK; would you advocate closing the borders to people from Ireland on the grounds that they are probably terrorists, too ?

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  2nd December 2019

    The male student Khan killed had directly worked with him on his ‘rehabilitation’ and the group which had fund-raised to buy him a computer. No good deed goes unpunished.

    The scumbag has made the case for never releasing his ilk.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  2nd December 2019

      I don’t think that he had worked with Jack Merriitt who was 25 and a graduate, not a student. It was the same organisation, but when Khan was with them, Jack Merritt would still have been at university.

      I haven’t read any actual news reports that say that they were known to each other, although it was the same organisation…that would be too coincidental in a place with the population of the UK.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  3rd December 2019

        The Telegraph reported they had worked directly together. The project is a Cambridge Uni one.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  3rd December 2019

          Dave Merritt on Monday praised his son as a ‘beautiful spirit’, who had ‘devoted his energy’ to Learning Together, the University of Cambridge-based programme that tries to rehabilitate offenders and in which Khan was enrolled.

          Merrit, it emerged, was Khan’s support worker who had run the Learning Together programme at Whitemoor jail where Khan was incarcerated.

          An eyewitness said Merritt was the first person to confront Khan after he launched his knife attack at the prisoner rehabilitation conference at Fishmongers’ Hall before he was finally stopped and the shot and killed on London Bridge.
          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/02/anjem-choudary-have-licence-conditions-reviewed-emerges-met/

          About as vile an insult to humanity as imaginable.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  3rd December 2019

          And:
          It emerged that Khan had shown “an affinity” towards Jack Merritt, the Learning Together course co-ordinator who helped mentor and supervise him.

          One source at Cambridge said: “We’ve heard that Khan was initially very sceptical about the group that wanted to help him rebuild his life but built up a mutual understanding and respect towards Jack. It wasn’t so much a friendship, but there seems to have been a special bond, a closeness.

          “Jack was convinced he could guide Khan to redemption, I think he really believed that he could turn his life round. “He even became a case study for the group.

          “That’s why it’s so galling that Jack was murdered in cold blood by the man who appeared to have bonded with him. “
          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/02/jack-merritt-first-line-defence-against-usman-khans-london-bridge/

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          • Corky

             /  3rd December 2019

            No more needs to be said. Sadly nothing will be learnt. We will continue to treat animals like humans.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd December 2019

              On second thoughts, the list of people who have killed those who loved them is long.

              And sickening.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  3rd December 2019

            My mistake, Alan, the stories I read didn’t mention that.

            The number of fatal stabbings in London this year makes sobering reading. The youngest victim was 14.

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