Open Forum – 7 December

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  1. There must be some context or explanation around this.

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    • It was obviously a mistake. Explained a bit more here: Donald Trump says babies should not be born ‘in the ninth month’ as he flubs anti-abortion rally speech

      Trump made the error while speaking at the annual March for Life in Washington. He is the first sitting president to speak at the 45-year-old event.

      It seems probable that Trump intended to say that the babies are “torn” from the womb, in a somewhat emotionally charged take on late-term abortion.

      Trump has previously asserted – including during a presidential debate against Hillary Clinton – that US law permits doctors to “rip the baby out of the womb” in the ninth month of pregnancy, a fallacy circulated in hardline anti-abortion circles.

      What he said was funny. What it seems he meant to say would have been a disgraceful claim for a president to make – a president that complains about ‘fake news’ but is one of the biggest liars and promoters of falsities around.

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    • More or less claimed here: Late Term Abortions Will Increase With Abortion Reform

      Press Release: Family First

      Family First NZ says that proposed abortion law reform will lead to more late term abortions, and radical abortion groups have no problem with abortions at any time for any reason.

      “It is significant to note that the most extreme option which allows abortion on-demand up to birth with no statutory test is being lobbied for by radical abortion pressure group ALRANZ and Family Planning.”

      “It is also interesting to watch the government try and dismiss the arguments for late term abortions. If its just a ‘health issue’, a ‘right to choose’, and ‘a foetus’ with no human rights, why are they so defensive about the unborn child being 15 weeks, 25 weeks or 35 weeks? It’s because they know the reality of humanity and biology,” says Mr McCoskrie.

      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1908/S00093/late-term-abortions-will-increase-with-abortion-reform.htm

      That’s scaremongering nonsense.

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  2. Ray

     /  7th December 2019

    Duncan Garner on Kris Faafoi

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/118013656/dunc

    While overall I agree with Garner, what he is really saying because we are mates and Kris is a great guy, everything is ok.

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    • Gezza

       /  7th December 2019

      On the up side, now we can confidently look foward to Simon sacking the next National spokesperson to embarrass him or his opposition party by saying the wrong thing on social media.

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      • Duker

         /  7th December 2019

        heard of Jo Hayes
        ‘Abusive personal tweet from MP Jo Hayes targeted someone she hardly knew’

        Notice the later media stories ‘explaining away Hayes actions’ National are so very very good at the afterstory where the journos just cant resist the ‘new angle’ I wonder if that is top down driven story from the Editors ? Key when MP used to make sure this play would happen by being the ‘secret source’ and getting his version out there

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th December 2019

      That’s old news, it was on the news last week. Look at the date of the story.

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    • Corky

       /  7th December 2019

      Maori lesson for the day:✔

      koha:
      1. (noun) gift, present, offering, donation, contribution

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th December 2019

        I am aware of what a koha is, thank you.

        I am also aware that Asian is not a nationality.

        They were paid for one photo but most people just walked past them and ignored them.

        Hardly much mana in that. You might want to look ‘mana’ up as well.

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  3. Gezza

     /  7th December 2019

    How the islamist terrorist London Bridge killer conned authorities into letting him out of jail
    And why it’s so worrying for countries taking ISIS fighters or their families back

    A probation service official familiar with Mr. Khan’s case said that he carried out an elaborate deception of all the agencies that had been monitoring him. The official insisted that nothing in his behavior suggested he would do anything improper, let alone the terrible attack he pulled off.

    Before the attack, Mr. Khan was under active surveillance by the MI5 domestic intelligence agency, which had set his level of threat to the public as “low to medium.” He had the highest level of security measures applied to his parole, according to an internal probation report. The probation official said that Mr. Khan would have to have shown significant progress to be allowed to attend the conference.

    He displayed those feigned signs of progress on the morning of the conference, when he spoke about his rehabilitation efforts — a “compelling success story,” as one conference participant described it.

    But during a break in the conference program, the BBC reported, Mr. Khan disappeared into a bathroom and re-emerged wearing a fake suicide vest with two large knives taped to his hands — it is unclear how he got the weapons into the building.

    He then set off on a rampage across the grand Fishmonger Hall venue, where he killed two recent Cambridge University graduateswho were attending the conference and injured three other people before being tackled down by members of the public, including other rehabilitated offenders attending the conference, and shot dead by the police.

    Mr. Khan’s case demonstrates the difficult challenge of distinguishing impostors from those who have truly had a change of heart and mind. The Prevent official, a former extremist himself, was shocked to learn that Mr. Khan had been allowed to travel to London alone.

    He said the extremists who plan the attacks are master manipulators who learn the tricks of the game in prison. They have to be watched constantly, he said, until you have absolute proof that they have changed.

    Since his release, Mr. Khan had been living in a probation hostel in Staffordshire, a county known for its quaint villages and historic market towns.

    He was required to wear an electronic ankle bracelet that allowed the police to track his movements, the probation service official said. Restrictions were applied to his phone and internet usage, he was barred from meeting associates and was required to meet with a probation officer at least twice a week.

    The probation official declined to comment on the assessment that allowed Mr. Khan to travel unaccompanied to London last Friday, saying that it was under investigation. But he reiterated that Mr. Khan had shown no signs that aroused suspicion or concern.

    Mr. Khan was also placed in the government’s secretive Desistance and Disengagement Program, which was introduced in 2016 as a more holistic approach to rehabilitation, with support that includes mentoring, psychological counseling, and theological and ideological advice.

    That approach has been applied to British jihadi fighters returning from Syria and Iraq. Experts say it is too soon to say whether its methods have been effective, though Mr. Khan hardly provides a basis for optimism.

    The Prevent official said that deradicalization required time, patience and expert counseling to understand the extremists’ narrative, background and state of mind, and then to convince them of the flaws in their thinking.

    “It is much easier to deceive people when you do not fear death,” the official said. “I’m sure Usman was genuinely in good spirits when he left the hostel and traveled to London, because in his world he was about to be set free as a martyr.”

    Full article:

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    • Corky

       /  7th December 2019

      ”The Prevent official said that deradicalization required time, patience and expert counseling to understand the extremists’ narrative, background and state of mind, and then to convince them of the flaws in their thinking.”

      The ignorance and stupidity of Infidels is truly nauseating. Don’t authorities understand it’s a good Muslim brothers duty to: ”understand the Infidels narrative, background and state of mind, and then to convince them of the flaws in their thinking.” The best way to do that is simply kill them.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th December 2019

        That is ridiculous and a gross insult to Muslims. There is nothing in the Koran like that and the fact that the vast majority don’t think or act in that way proves the falseness of your argument.

        Have you forgotten who was on the receiving end in Christchurch ?

        Speak for yourself when you refer to ‘infidels’ (a term not used by most Muslims) as being ignorant and stupid.

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  4. Duker

     /  7th December 2019

    Thanksgiving is a busy time in US for Travel , especially the Roads

    This Tesla supercharging site is a small town between Los Angeles And San Francisco. It has 40 ! charging units but the queue was supposed to be ‘half a mile long’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7755753/Chaos-California-Tesla-drivers-stranded-hours-half-mile-long-line-charge.html

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th December 2019

      75 minutes and still waiting…

      If the queues were literally half a mile long, that means 20 miles in total.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th December 2019

        Blimey, PDTs…grow up.

        Downticking a story about electric car queues is just silly. Duker and I didn’t cause the delays.

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  5. Gezza

     /  7th December 2019

    Likely to be deported to NZ in 2023.

    “Tipene was found to have lied about the baby’s injuries to paramedics and doctors. He said he went to feed the baby and found him unresponsive in his cot.

    He then lied for another three months, until police secretly recorded him admitting the assult to his partner in September last year.

    The baby boy had to undergo surgery for bleeding on the brain. He still can’t crawl and may suffer lifelong brain damage.

    Tipene blamed the assault on his violent upbringing. He said he was taught that “men don’t cry” and the crying baby was “not manly enough”.

    “It’s like this rage, it has nothing to do with [the baby], it’s like he has to be a warrior, a man,” he told police during an interview.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12291775

    How common is this preception? How much does it form part of the backdrop to Maori male violence to children? I caught the tail end of a docudrama or movie on Maori tv last week (Friday, I think). It was a great production, good acting, great filming, great fight action scenes with taiaha, on location somewhere in the bush, English subtitles, & involved a young Maori male seemingly flipping back & forth between the past & the future, who finished the episode telling viewers who were of the iwi how important it was to know & understand this tale of one of their ancestors.

    But it was quite disturbing in some ways. It was also creepy, with supernatural elements the main character, the hero ancestor I think, was like a zombie. There were violent & savage scenes, including him flesh eating the vanquished foe (maybe the heart, was my impression), & the hero being curt, dismissive, & abusive to a younger male asking him questions.

    I wish I had recorded its name & could get hold of it to watch the whole thing again in full to see it in the full context.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th December 2019

      At least he seems to have worked this out, which is something. Too late for the baby, of course.

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  6. Corky

     /  7th December 2019

    Yep, I debated that scenario with someone on this blog. That’s why I don’t vote Greens.
    To be fair, the Greens would be more comfortable with sail-bikes. 😂

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    • Gezza

       /  7th December 2019

      Timing is everything. So’s the Reply button.

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      • Corky

         /  7th December 2019

        Time truly is everything…you own a Tesla? Or was it you I debated this emerging crisis with?

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        • Gezza

           /  7th December 2019

          Beyond my means, is a Tesla. Guessing it might have been Griff you were debating?

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          • Corky

             /  7th December 2019

            Wasn’t Griff. He’s still stuck in the Industrial Revolution.

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            • Griff.

               /  7th December 2019

              ROFL
              Corky you gibber a load of dribbling nutwhackery son.
              Did you spend the day cloud busting your magic water with colloidal silver? or have you scoffed to many raspberry buns again?

              By the way I did not reply to your dribbling about silver bandages to defend your colloidal silver nonsense . Most with an IQ over 80 will know why .
              It was what is called a non sequitur. Does not follow.
              Topical application is not the same as drinking medicine.
              In simple terms you might be just be able to understand on a warm day.
              You don’t drink bandages.

              On the last working day before Christmas even my local gas station has a queue.
              It happens every where
              The same thing happens once a year with electric cars .
              So what.

            • Corky

               /  7th December 2019

              ”Most with an IQ over 80 will know why .
              It was what is called a non sequitur. Does not follow.
              Topical application is not the same as drinking medicine.”

              You see Einstein, topical applications can use two types of silver. One is colloidal silver in gel form that impregnates the pad that goes over a wound. The other silver is one NASA uses for water filtration.

              ”On the last working day before Christmas even my local gas station has a queue.”

              Wow! No shite Sherlock. How long does it take to fill a tank with petrol compared to charging a battery?

              https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/how-long-to-charge-an-electric-car

              😂😂✔

            • Corky

               /  7th December 2019

              ”It was what is called a non sequitur’

              Thanks for that , Griff. I have now been educated.

    • Corky

       /  7th December 2019

      Should have gone under Dukes post on electric vehicles.

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  7. Corky

     /  7th December 2019

    Unbelievable. In my opinion two criminals have made this list.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12290483

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th December 2019

      Saving lives is not a criminal offence.

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    • Corky

       /  7th December 2019

      Eggs boy assaults a current sitting politician. And he wasn’t charged with assault. If it had be an Aborigine, he would be in jail. The only good thing in this clip was Egghead received two good cracks …pity it wasn’t more.

      https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/egg-boy-escapes-charge-after-attack-on-fraser-anning/video/42a76e50f21b2dff7e331496f0039d

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th December 2019

        Hardly a major assault; tossing an egg at someone You often advocate extreme violence as a solution and find it totally acceptable; you call gun owners the salt of the earth….

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    • Corky

       /  7th December 2019

      What constitutes assault:

      ”The legal definition of assault is very wide – it covers any situation where you intentionally
      apply force against another person’s body. It includes when you do this indirectly – by throwing something for example. An assault can include very minor force.”

      I think we all knew Kitty isn’t a lawyer.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th December 2019

        I have never claimed to be one, so you are stating the blindingly obvious again, but no one could call throwing an egg ‘force’ of any kind, even minor. Eggs are very fragile things, unlikely to inflict any damage.

        You are talking about technical assault.

        Why do you call egg throwing ‘assault’ but hitting children ‘discipline’ and approve of people being hit with batons ?

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      • Corky

         /  7th December 2019

        Poor old Kitty. Let’s make the quote shorter …and a little easier to read. Here we go! 🤔

        ”includes when you do this indirectly – by throwing something for example. An assault can include very minor force.”

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  8th December 2019

          You seem not to understand that there is something called ‘technical assault’ in law.

          Something like pushing past someone would be a technical assault, but most unlikely to result in a conviction if the person wasn’t hurt.

          There are, of course, degrees of assault, something else you seem to be unaware of. Slapping someone would not be considered to be in the same league as beating them up.

          Now do you understand that not all assaults are equally serious either de facto or de jure ?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  8th December 2019

            And that egg throwing would hardly be considered to be using force ?

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  8. Corky

     /  7th December 2019

    Peter Williams angry a WAG anti vaxxer. While I think he doesn’t understand the full science behind vaccinations, he has at least admitted this WAG has just presented her side of the debate and isn’t forcing people to follow her and not vaccinate their kids.

    It’s interesting to compare her comments about Samoa V Tremains cartoon. It really puts things in perspective. A perspective I understood from the beginning.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/11/peter-williams-anti-vaxxer-taylor-winsterstein-s-comments-on-samoa-are-appalling-and-dangerous.html

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th December 2019

      She also calls Samoa Nazi-Samoa because the antivaxxer who was using quackery wouldn’t stop doing it and was arrested (her account was wildly exaggerated.

      This story was printed in November, so is hardly news.

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  9. Geoffrey

     /  7th December 2019

    New Post… before it goes the way of the vague but powerful Principles of The Treaty of Waitangi, has “The Maori World View” yet been defined? I worry that absent a meaningful view from the Stone Age, the world view that is currently being foisted onto Goverment Departments and Local Bodies, will be a modern invention designed to endlessly further entrench the non-accountable involvement of unelected Maori in matters affecting all of us.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th December 2019

      That is a very young ‘gun owner.’

      I don’t like children being used for this sort of thing; they are too young to know what they’re parroting and it seems like exploitation.

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  10. Corky

     /  7th December 2019

    Guaranteed. Some of best friends are Leftie gun owners. Great people until they start talking about other things rather than guns. Young Isabella in the photo would have probably had her first feral kill if she lived in rural Texas.

    I notice the protest was peaceful, unlike the fugwits screaming abuse at Tremain and co. That gives us a good indication what is, and what isn’t, the underclass in NZ.

    Talking of guns. Looks like another Muslim nutjob has tricked the Infidels.

    https://www.voanews.com/usa/saudi-air-force-pilot-shooting-spree-us-naval-base

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    • Gezza

       /  7th December 2019

      Yes, that was yesterday. Waiting to hear what that one was all about. Saudi air force pilot – MBS has apologised to Trump. Awkward. The day before, some yank at the Pearl Harbour naval base shot two civilians, & then himself, dead. Waiting to hear what that one was all about too.

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      • Gezza

         /  7th December 2019

        PS: Are you having Random WordPress Wilkinson Effect problems with the Reply button not working today?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th December 2019

          Corks said the other day that the Tremain protestors were reasonable, before he regretted that they hadn’t been warned and then batoned… now they’re fuckwits screaming.

          Even in Texas, one would hope that a child of six wouldn’t be using an automatic weapon and murdering people (if people are the ferals mentioned) Or killing animals with one; not at that age.

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    • Gezza

       /  7th December 2019

      I notice the protest was peaceful, unlike the fugwits screaming abuse at Tremain and co. That gives us a good indication what is, and what isn’t, the underclass in NZ.

      Might just not have the energy?

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  11. Corky

     /  7th December 2019

    The Yank I can live with… a visiting Muslim, I assume, is not acceptable . When are we going to learn? We have enough of our own problems ( In the Western World).

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th December 2019

      It wasn’t a visiting Muslim who did the Christchurch massacre.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th December 2019

        Or the almost daily mass shootings in the US; there are fewer days without them than there are with them.

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        • Gezza

           /  7th December 2019

          Yes, but to be fair Corky says above that he doesn’t particulalry mind yanks shooting each other. He doesn’t like others shooting them.

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          • Corky

             /  7th December 2019

            Correct. You can’t deport your own. They belong in the USA no matter what they do.

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      • Corky

         /  7th December 2019

        ”Kitty Catkin / 7th December 2019
        Non sequitur is Latin.”

        Just shows knowing isn’t understanding.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  8th December 2019

          I began to learn Latin in the 3rd form and also did it at university, so understand it quite well.

          Sequitur is from sequor; to follow and means ‘It doesn’t follow.’

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    • Gezza

       /  7th December 2019

      Donald says the Saudis are great guys. They buy American arms.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th December 2019

        It’s probable that most are; one is too small a sample to prove anything.

        The American who shot two others and himself at a naval base is also too small a sample to prove anything; he’s one out of who knows how many who have done this at military bases, but it doesn’t mean that everyone in the US services is a murderous nutter.

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      • Corky

         /  7th December 2019

        ”Donald says the Saudis are great guys.”

        And they are…in their own country. They only thing America wants coming in is their money.

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        • Gezza

           /  7th December 2019

          “The U.S. Navy and law enforcement officials identified the shooter as a Saudi pilot, one of up to a few hundred foreign nationals who had come to the base in Pensacola for training.”

          They invited him in for training.

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        • Gezza

           /  7th December 2019

          From the article:

          NBC News, quoting law enforcement officials, further identified the shooter as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani.

          Late Friday, Fox News reported that the FBI has arrested six Saudi nationals in connection with the shooting.

          Before the pilot opened fire at the base, he tweeted a will and quoted Osama bin Laden in justifying his actions, according to the SITE Intelligence Group, which translates jihadist threats and communications.

          In the Twitter post, he said America “has turned into a nation of evil.” He condemned the U.S. for its support of Israel and its invasion of Muslim countries and many other countries. Using a bin Laden quote, he also said that the security of the U.S. and Muslims is a “shared destiny.” He added, “You will not be safe until we live it as reality in pleastain [sic], and American troops get our of lands.”

          Guns are not permitted at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, but Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said the shooter managed to get a handgun onto the base before targeting individuals at one of the buildings. Officials said the rampage ended when a sheriff’s deputy cornered and shot the suspect in a classroom.

          Officials with the U.S. FBI confirmed they were leading the probe, telling VOA it was still in the early stages.

          “It is too early to determine motive,” a FBI official said on condition of anonymity, admitting terrorism had not been ruled out.”
          … …

          Even though the Saudis kicked the yanks out of Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War because their people were so vehemently opposed to their arrogant infidel presence there, hasn’t Trump just recently announced they’re setting up a US base & sending US military personnel back to Saudi Arabia?

          MBS can’t manage to win a war against a few goat herds in Yemen & protect his own oil installations. All that prick can do is screw up murdering a critic in a Saudi consulate in Turkey, threaten & rob rich Saudis, & lock up & arrange the sexual abuse of a few females who have protested for more freedom for Saudi women.

          This US base there might not end well.

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  12. Gezza

     /  7th December 2019

    Sydney looks like Hell

    As more than 100 blazes burn across NSW, Sydney’s sepia-toned sky – the result of harmful smoke pollution – becomes the new norm.

    Global publications and angered readers have placed responsibility for the fires on the Australian government and their failure to address the current climate crisis, calling the nation “the indirect architect of its own demise”, reports News.com.au.

    Australia “is the largest exporter of thermal and coking coal in the world now, adding massively to global warming through their own expert initiatives,” commented one reader, saying that both the federal and state governments are “owned by climate sceptics”.

    “No filter, no photoshop. And from the Australian PM … no interest,” wrote another.



    America’s ABC News shared footage of Sydney’s hazy conditions, prompting angry reactions from followers, who demanded that the government take responsibility.

    “Have you asked the government, if this is so ‘normal’ a fire season, why are the poor fireys and emergency services unable to get all the equipment and support they need?” wrote one.

    “Because it isn’t normal in any sense of the word.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12291849

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  8th December 2019

      Because Australia never had summer fires before.

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      • Gezza

         /  8th December 2019

        I think this fire seasons’s setting NSW records, Al. Amazing pix.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  8th December 2019

          Possibly the main records are for media coverage.

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        • Pink David

           /  8th December 2019

          “I think this fire seasons’s setting NSW records”

          Maybe, but it’s not even close at the moment. And they have a long way to go to beat Black Thursday.

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        • Duker

           /  8th December 2019

          Fires have increased ever since humans first arrived in Australia, like NZ.
          The trouble with saying ‘more or greater’ is that climate can have ups and downs over decades . Each year isn’t a variation around a mean.
          It’s more sensible to describe the inland areas as regular drought broken by wet periods.

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    • Pink David

       /  8th December 2019

      Black Thursday

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  8th December 2019

        The critics aren’t taking into account that many of the fires have been arson. There’s not much that anyone can do to stop that.

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  13. Gezza

     /  7th December 2019

    Overkill law enforcement: Trump’s America

    Some video clips of this have been shown in news articles & on tv here.

    Job well done. Thoughts & prayers for the innocent UPS driver hostage & other innocent motorist, from Trump I imagine. Hands rubbing with glee at the NRA too, I bet. Good money in this sort of thing. Those cops will need more bullets, for a start.

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    • Corky

       /  8th December 2019

      American police aren’t well trained. And the American psyche is very volatile. Overkill and sirens are the name of the game.

      It’s funny how situations repeat – remember the courier driver in NZ who was accidentally killed in a police shootout?

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      • Gezza

         /  8th December 2019

        I don’t think that poor guy died in a hail of bullets like these guys probably did. US cops possibly watch too many tv cop drama shows. Looks like there were more cop cars in that pursuit than any other traffic.

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    • Pink David

       /  8th December 2019

      “Overkill law enforcement: Trump’s America”

      A 30 man SWAT team raided the Gibson Guitar company because of a possible infraction of reporting requirements for importing of wood from Madagascar.

      No one really know why the raid occurred, the warrant was sealed and no actual charges were laid. It took 5 years and a pay off to the various environmental groups behind the raid for Gibson to get back to business. The SWAT arriving was the first thing Gibson knew about the issue.

      The US legal system is a mess, and has long predated Trump. Roger Stones’s arrest is also a rather good example of how heavy this law ‘enforcement’ has become.

      “”Was the FBI’s show of force too heavy-handed, as has been alleged? Absolutely not,” wrote James Gagliano, a former FBI agent, in a column for the Washington Examiner.

      “In the FBI, we tend to defuse situations by removing the fight-or-flight inclination, via our overwhelming presence. To arrest one, we bring 10. For 10, we’ll bring 100,” he also explained.”

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      • Corky

         /  8th December 2019

        I think that would have been because Rose Wood is now a banned wood for luthiers worldwide.. But a swat team..fug me! Mind you, illegal alternative medicine practices also receive the same treatment. Getting well from someone who isn’t a doctor is illegal.😒

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  14. I’m on limited Internet due to floods in South Canterbury breaking the fibre link. Surely that isn’t the only link south but looks like it

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    • Gezza

       /  8th December 2019

      The Herald:

      “Spark is battling to restore internet to a large part of the South Island after fibre cables were cut in the storm.

      Just before 8am Spark confirmed staff were at two locations where fibre cables had been cut.

      Technicians are testing replacement cables.

      “We’ll be updated as soon as anything changes and will let you know as soon as we are aware. Thanks for your patience,” the company posted on Twitter.

      Last night Spark advised that customers were experiencing broadband and mobile outages due to flooding and slips across the South Island.

      “Unfortunately, our technicians cannot access the area due to road closures as a result of weather conditions.

      “Our team is working hard to resolve the situation and we apologise to our customers for the inconvenience. We will share more information with you as soon as possible.”

      It was a wild night in Welly – and more thunderstorms are expected today, ma just said:

      “A cluster of thunderstorms hit Wellington overnight, sending residents to social media to share photos and video of the impressive light show.”

      Other parts of North Island look in for a rough day too. Happy Christmas … not !

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12291870

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    • Corky

       /  8th December 2019

      Time to move up North, Pete. Less earthquakes, less floods, better infrastructure and more sunshine. Plenty of fruit and warm ocean waters, too.

      Of course there is way more crime, racism, road rage and nasty people, but nothing is perfect. Don’t let those negatives put you off.

      Reply
      • Looks like the Internet is back up. I’m very happy down here, and I have plenty I can do without the Internet. Actually it looks like we’ll have visitors for a day or two, they can’t get back to Christchurch.

        Do you realise Dunedin is relatively safe from major earthquakes?

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        • Gezza

           /  8th December 2019

          I would caution against tempting fate like that, Pete:

          “Dunedin and southeast Otago had among the fewest shallow quakes in New Zealand last year, but scientists warn that “large damaging earthquakes” could strike the city in future.
          The lower southeast part of the South Island, including Dunedin, and Northland/Auckland, experienced the lowest levels of shallow earthquakes — less than 33km deep — in mainland New Zealand last year, according to GNS Science data.

          “There is the potential for large, damaging earthquakes on close-by faults,” Mark Stirling, of the University of Otago geology department, warned.

          Prof Stirling, who is chairman of earthquake science at the university, said that large earthquakes could occur on nearby faults, such as the Akatore and Titri Faults.

          Dunedin’s earthquake hazard was higher than Auckland’s.”

          More…
          https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/close-faults-dunedin-quake-threat

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          • Duker

             /  8th December 2019

            It used to have the most shark attacks…not anymore, must be because of climate change!

            Reply
        • Corky

           /  8th December 2019

          ”Do you realise Dunedin is relatively safe from major earthquakes?”

          No, I didn’t know that. Let’s hope the scenario Gezza has reported doesn’t eventuate. If you are happy where you are…then that’s all you need. 👍

          Reply
    • Ray

       /  8th December 2019

      Half the South Island internet and cellular coverage goes down for 12 hours and not a peep on the radio till it came back on.
      I thought we had built in redundancy, apparently not. Well not if all the lines run down the same embankment.
      Or that heavy rain on the West Coast can affect the East, who knew?

      Reply
      • Duker

         /  8th December 2019

        Rangitata river cut two Bridges /roads about 30km apart.
        Long thin country without a large population .Switzerland has 6 mill people but is only the size of Canterbury….Britain is a bit under the same size but has 60 mill.

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  15. Gezza

     /  8th December 2019

    Ardern announces more plastics to be banned

    Meat trays, takeaway cups, and fruit stickers are next in line for the Government’s expanding plastics ban.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced in Auckland on Sunday the Government would aim to phase out another round of single-use plastics.

    The Government earlier this year banned plastic bags commonly used in supermarkets. A similar approach will now be taken with packaging and beverage containers made from “hard-to-recycle” PVC plastic and polystyrene.

    Meaning certain meat trays, takeaway food containers and coffee cups could soon be disposed of for good.

    Stuff earlier revealed plastic cotton buds, single-use plastic cutlery – items which both have biodegradable alternatives made out of bamboo – and non-compostible fruit stickers would also be targeted by new plastics bans.

    Ardern has repeatedly said that the number one thing she receives letters about is reducing waste. “Many New Zealanders, including many children, write to me about plastic – concerned with its proliferation over the past decade and the mounting waste ending up in our oceans,” she said on Sunday. “I share this concern for our natural environment – one that sustains our tourism, trade and our national identity.”

    The report recommended a nationwide plastics action plan be put in place, to push the country to a “circular economy for plastics”.

    “Plastic is everywhere and tackling the problem of plastic waste needs a systems change, a collection of adjustments – some large, some small – across all aspects of society,” Juliet said.

    Single-use plastic makes up 36 per cent of all plastic produced.

    More…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118031877/prime-minister-aims-new-plastics-ban-at-meat-trays-and-takeaway-cups

    Seems like a good idea – I hate those bloody polystyrene meat trays, & polystyrene appliance packing – too hard to get rid of – but I wonder what if any extra cost implications there might be for consumers? (I’ve noticed that formed corrugated cardboard packing is being used more now for appliances.)

    Reply
    • duperez

       /  8th December 2019

      One of the problems about Ardern is that she says things. That causes issues for people. Working out exactly the grounds for attacking her about what she has said is most taxing.(pun intended. Maybe that would be grounds for having a go at her.)

      This latest thing? How about she’s spending time on the small stuff and ignoring poverty? Or she’s taking away people’s choices, or just grandstanding and isn’t going to do anything real?

      A sad thing about Ardern not being in Government after the next election would be us not getting to see Nick Smith ask, “When the Prime Minister promised in early December 2019 that meat trays, takeaway cups, and fruit stickers would be part of the Government’s plastics ban, why has it not happened by early February 2021?” 🙂

      Reply
    • Kitty Catkin

       /  8th December 2019

      I always break polystyrene up to make it take up as little space as possible, but would be glad to see an alternative. It’s hard to think of one that would protect things like fridges in transit.

      The stupid thing about the plastic bags ban is that the ones supermarkets sell are also made of plastic and a type that’s hard to recycle; polypropylene is also a kind of plastic. At least the other kind can easily be recycled into things like fenceposts.

      Reply
  16. Gezza

     /  8th December 2019

    “Good” gang member stopped from entering Cook Islands

    Black Power Gang member Ryder and his family arrived at Auckland International Airport on Saturday afternoon to check in for a flight to Rarotonga at 4.30pm (NZ Time), Cook Islands News reports. But he was told his entry into Cook Islands had been denied because he was on a list of known gang members shared with Cook Islands Immigration by the New Zealand Police.

    The ban on him boarding the plane is part of a high-profile effort by Cook Islands Immigration to stop the entry of overseas gang members and criminals, whom Prime Minister Henry Puna has blamed for drug trafficking. Nearly 40 gang member have been stopped this year.

    It’s public knowledge that Ryder has been an active member of Black Power for more than 20 years – he’s been an advocate working with the gang and government agencies. According to former MP Hone Harawira, Ryder has been a well-respected negotiator and mediator in helping defuse tensions between gangs, and is on the speed dial of New Zealand Police Minister Stuart Nash, Police Commissioner Mike Bush and Deputy Police Commissioner Wally Haumaha.

    Ryder said last night: “I told them I would pull out of the Black Power right there and then, if it meant I could go on this holiday with my family.”

    Speaking to the Cook Islands News from Auckland Airport, an emotional Ryder told how he and his wife had been planning the trip to Rarotonga for months – only to be stopped because of his gang history. Thinking it would be a good idea to be proactive in their holiday planning, Ryder had contacted the Cook Islands consulate in Auckland three months ago, to make sure his previous convictions would not be an issue when entering the Cook Islands.

    He was told because the criminal convictions were older than 15 years, he would have no problem. Although Ryder’s family checked in without issue, they would not travel without him because it was “their special holiday and time together”.

    Last night, a high-powered list of leaders were swinging their support behind Ryder. Deputy Police Commissioner Wally Haumaha had promised to try and assist by calling Cook Islands Police Commissioner Maara Tetava.

    But the notice prohibiting his entry was signed by Principal Immigration Officer Kairangi Samuela. And Ryder said the only person who can overturn the decision and grant him entry was Samuela. Last night, Samuela said she would look into Ryder’s case when she returns to work on Monday.

    Air New Zealand has promised to hold the family’s flight up until Monday (Cook Islands time), but the Edgewater Resort will not refund the amount paid for accommodation for the six days they would have been here. “A refund doesn’t matter,” Ryder said. “We just want to be there.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/118030253/cook-islands-stops-new-zealand-leader-eugene-ryder-because-of-gang-connections
    … … … …

    Hmmm. I dunno. Has he turned in any criminals in Black Power to the Police? Or does he just “diffuse tensions between gangs”? Maybe they should make an exception. Maybe if he left the Gang he’d have no sway in trying to “diffuse gang tensions”. Should we care?

    It will be interesting to see whether the ban is lifted.

    Reply
    • Corky

       /  8th December 2019

      The man with the golden tongue. Interesting list of people he has on speed dial. Must be a bugger when other people see you as a nothing; no matter how well connected you are.
      Just shows how corrupt and incestuous our justice system is.

      That said, he did go out of his way to check on his legal status to enter the Cooks. I think the ban will be lifted, but it should only be a one time thing because of the bureaucratic stuff up.

      I wonder if a feral white would receive the same VIP treatment?

      Reply
      • duperez

         /  8th December 2019

        Feral whites probably do receive the same VIP treatment from Cook Islands Immigration.

        “…a high-profile effort by Cook Islands Immigration to stop the entry of overseas gang members and criminals … Nearly 40 gang member have been stopped this year.”

        Unless feral white overseas gang members and criminals don’t seek to travel to the Cook Islands.

        Reply
        • Corky

           /  8th December 2019

          My mistake. I should have been clearer. I’m talking about Ryders ties to high positioned kiwi politicians and bureaucrats.

          Reply
          • Gezza

             /  8th December 2019

            The irony must be lost on the Stuff reporter.

            Kris Faafoi’s just been pilloried by the media & forced to publicly apologise for appearing to try & influence Immigration NZ to speed up &/or approve his mum’s husband’s immigration application.

            Now, just a couple of days later, we have the NZ Deputy Police Commissioner & who knows what other worthies at the top of the political pile in NZ trying to do the same thing with a Police Minister’s & Police Commissioner’s mate’s immigration application for another country.

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            • Gezza

               /  8th December 2019

              Oops – I meant “his mate’s mum’s husband’s immigration application”.

              (Got confused by all the apostrophes required for that one!)

          • Corky

             /  8th December 2019

            Aotearoa…you gotta love the way we do things.

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  17. Corky

     /  8th December 2019

    According to my financial adviser, The Trust Act 2019, has been passed. Provisions of the act will come into force 30 January 2021. Authorities are set to come down hard on non compliance. The take home piece of advice from what I received was: people need to consider whether a trust is worth having considering the increased fees and regulations now required to keep a trust solvent.

    That to me that means a whole lot of middleclass wannabes are going to be in a whole heap of trouble..especially with the ex wife.

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  18. Corky

     /  8th December 2019

    Supermarket news with Corky:

    Seen some weird stuff at the supermarket lately. Unfortunately I cannot regale you with all I have seen because I promised Gezza I would not tell stories that cannot be verified by others.

    So the story of the security guard pulled into a car and beaten is unfortunately off the menu.

    However, in other news -the frozen goods department cannot keep up with people buying frozen berries. Truly, the smoothy is king at the moment. People want all those antioxidants.

    Now, standing in line waiting to buy a scratchy, I perceived a very inadvertent IQ test anyone can observe. See, most new scratch tickets have a little panel at the bottom that allows you to simply scratch and scan under the infrared reader. No need to scratch the whole ticket and find out if you have three matching icons; or maybe a lucky bonus number etc. Simply scratch and scan, collect or go.

    So I was fascinated to watch 50% ( all up four gamblers) of people spend minutes scratching the whole ticket to see if they had won something, then finally scratching the Instant scan icon and tottering over to have their ticket checked. The other two saved a few minutes of their lives simply scratching the instant read icon; scanning their ticket and leaving.

    On the face of it, a few reasons for the former’s actions could be proffered. But when you logically go through those, only one stands out.. they get enjoyment finding out for themselves if they have won a prize. Or do they?

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  8th December 2019

      Bugger. I may have to buy a scratchy at New World to verify this story.

      Reply
    • Duker

       /  8th December 2019

      It seems that it’s a game of ‘skill’ after all !

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  8th December 2019

        I wonder why anyone would hang around a supermarket watching strangers with scratchies.

        It’s asking for trouble from security, surely, to loiter and stare at other customers for that length of time.

        Reply
      • Corky

         /  8th December 2019

        It would seem that way, Duke.

        Reply
    • Corky

       /  8th December 2019

      Ever wonder how people have trouble reading simple stuff…and then not understanding what they have read?🤔.

      Quote:

      ”Now, standing in line waiting to buy a scratchy.”

      Becomes:

      ”I wonder why anyone would hang around a supermarket watching strangers with scratchies”

      Lol…😂

      Reply
      • Gezza

         /  8th December 2019

        There’s no reason why you can’t tell stories that can’t be verified by others. I don’t hold you to that promise, bro. It just means they can’t be verified by others.

        Reply
        • Corky

           /  8th December 2019

          No, but I made that promise. Besides, I’m sure others have different stories to tell.

          Reply

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