Open Forum – 9 December

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    • Duker

       /  9th December 2019

      Matthews resigned because someone had to be accountable for the Ministry of Transport fraudster who operated under Matthews nose when he was CEO

      That comes back to the public service job merry go round, as Matthews was a career auditor was even doing at a job like Transport where he had no experience, yet when a classic fraud case came up under his nose , those who could see it couldnt easily convince Matthews.
      And what about the report that was supressed, wasnt that a part of his ‘deal’ to hide what really really happened while he was in charge.
      “Carter told Stuff the committee “decided, unanimously, not to release Sir Maarten’s report out of concern for Mr Matthew’s reputation”.

      Now he wants to play the victime ?

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      • duperez

         /  9th December 2019

        He was a victim and still is one. David Carter (soon to Sir if normal protocols are followed) said the Wevers’ report was “very critical”. Yes, likely was. Does that negate the comments and concerns about events in the processes outlined.

        Carter is being defensive, getting a punch in.

        “Carter said the committee decided not to release the Wevers report out of concern for Matthews’ reputation and resolved not to discuss the matter in public, so he would not comment further.” Flaunting the cover of the book without going into the other pages.

        Is that a bit like me saying someone has spoken to me about Dafid Scarter and pedophilia but I’m not going to go into further details out of concern for Dafid’s reputation?

        Sir Geoffrey Palmer has his usual intellectual view. “I don’t think a lot of MPs understand they are bound by the Bill of Rights or even care what’s in it,” he said.”

        Palmer of course is not of this world. Intellectual perspectives, niceties and nuances are important to him. In recent weeks Simon Bridges showed a Bill of Rights means nothing.

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        • Duker

           /  9th December 2019

          Bill of Rights ?
          huh ?
          Life and security of the person . Nope
          Democratic and civil rights…Nope
          Non-discrimination and minority rights …Nope

          Search, arrest, and detention …hmm
          maybe this one
          “Every person has the right to the observance of the principles of natural justice by any tribunal or other public authority which has the power to make a determination in respect of that person’s rights, obligations, or interests protected or recognised by law.”

          Somehow how he quit rather than be fired from his job . Big deal ?

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          • Duker

             /  9th December 2019

            That was a side issue , the treatment of the whistleblowers in the MoT, some of which was instigated by the fraudster.
            The interesting bit was Harrison wasnt so smart as to fool these low level employees, yet at Matthews level he seems to have had lack of awareness for some time…and eventually took action when a former labour MP made it public.
            I dont know if there were other personal dynamics in Matthews and Harrison’s interactions .
            For me when a public service mandarin like Weavers cuts out one of their own , it must have been bad, as they will know all the circumlocutions of public service incompetence to make sure no one is blamed. Heard of ‘systemic failure ‘?
            This time they didnt. As for petitioning parliament to reopen his case….. still oblivious to the real world

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  2. duperez

     /  9th December 2019

    Interesting account of the Martin Matthews story. Maarten Wevers figures large. Sorry ‘Sir’ Maarten.

    https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2019/circuit/unprecedented-breach-of-constitution/

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    • Duker

       /  9th December 2019

      Rubbish claim …. he was going to be fired from his job , but quit instead. Happens all the time. Just because of his job as an officer of parliament , it was a committee of Mps who made the decision. It was an employment decision full stop.
      he wasnt accused of a crime, but as Auditor general his capability had to be of the highest standard , clearly the Mps thought otherwise.
      It was our version of ‘impeachment’
      Palmer is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks a judicial process can overturn what Parliament has done. Plus he quit ahead of the firing by Mps , yet he had a very capable QC advising him .
      No second bite of the cherry to try and walk back his ‘resignation’ . Hes not a checkout operator who might have made a hasty decision. seems like he thought he could just move on and get another job and found out differently . Welcome to the stale pale male

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  3. Blazer

     /  9th December 2019

    smoke and mirrors of MAGA and Trump…

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    • Pink David

       /  9th December 2019

      That will sell well. Paul Krugman has been doing this since Trump was elected;

      February 11: Paul Krugman expects a global recession this year, warns “we don’t have an effective response.”

      August 1: “Why Was Trumponomics a Flop?”

      August 15: “From Trump Boom to Trump Gloom”

      September 5: “Trumpism Is Bad for Business”

      September 26: “Impeaching Trump Is Good for the Economy”

      October 3: “Here Comes the Trump Slump”

      October 24: “The Day the Trump Boom Died”

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      • Duker

         /  9th December 2019

        Guess who Trump was blaming after the stock market ‘slump’ for the timeline you mention ?
        “Crazy Fed .”
        And guess what they did lower interest rates – which automatically raises stock prices !

        “On September 18, 2019 the Federal Reserve cut the target range for its benchmark interest rate by 0.25%. It was the second time the Fed cut rates in 2019 in an attempt to keep the economic expansion from slowing amid many signs that the slowdown is well under way.”
        No . that wasnt Krugman. hes just saying every boom ends with a slump or even a crash if its gone on enough

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        • Pink David

           /  9th December 2019

          “No . that wasnt Krugman. hes just saying every boom ends with a slump or even a crash if its gone on enough”

          This is rather like saying something you found is always in the last place you look.

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  4. Corky

     /  9th December 2019

    A story made for Johnny. Unfortunately it’s an old story about people who cannot accept an organisations rules..they want the rules changed to suit them.

    Here’s a message for such people…if you don’t like the rules, fug off and go to a club where you are accepted and welcomed for what you are. So simple, yet so hard in this woke age.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/its-part-our-faith-sikh-man-turned-away-south-auckland-community-club-wearing-turban?auto=6114083514001

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    • Gezza

       /  9th December 2019

      I had to take my cap off to get into the Upper Hutt Cozzy Club for an 80th birthday celebration last year. Bloody nuisance. Had to carry it around everywhere with me inside.

      But they’re nuts in this case. A Sikh’s turban isn’t a hat. My bet? They’ll end up having to make that clearer to their staff & allow Sikhs inside with their turbans.

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      • Corky

         /  9th December 2019

        Look, I agree. But people must respect an organisations rules..no matter how silly and outdated. I get sick of people whining, when all they have to do is go some place else. It smacks of arrogance and revenge because this club doesn’t do things the way most other clubs do.

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        • Gezza

           /  9th December 2019

          While that might be true sometimes the Cozzy Club rule is basically no hats inside. It probably dates back to a time when hats were removed on entering people’s houses as a gesture of respect. And a Sikh’s turban is just simply not a hat. Requiring a Sikh to remove it is disrespectful. Their rule needs to be clarified.

          It’s not a simple case of people simply going elsewhere. It happens as mentioned in this case when a Sikh is invited to a function or celebration at a Cozzy Club. It means they can’t get in if they go.

          The club isn’t just being ridiculous in this case, its members discussed the issue & voted to reconfirm the turban ban in 2015. They surely can’t be unaware that a Sikh male cannot remove their turban in public. If they are they must be bloody thick.

          It sounds like racism – or a religious intolerance form of it. I wonder if other Indians who don’t wear turbans are allowed in?

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          • Corky

             /  9th December 2019

            ”It sounds like racism – or a religious intolerance form of it. I wonder if other Indians who don’t wear turbans are allowed in?”

            I would say it’s blatant racism. But so what? It doesn’t negate my argument.
            So they are thick, nasty and racist. That is their privilege in a democracy. Given they don’t look like changing anytime soon..the obvious choice is for Sikhs to look elsewhere for respect and courtesy – but not by running to Johnny.

            ”Their rule needs to be clarified.”

            That would be top of the list for me. I would also encourage event organisers to find a more accommodating venue.

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            • Gezza

               /  9th December 2019

              I just rang the Upper Hutt Cosmopolitan Club & spoke to Reception.

              Me: “Hi Karen. I just have a quick query. Do you guys ban turbans?”

              Karen: “No – because it’s a religious requirement.”

            • Corky

               /  9th December 2019

              Good that you rang up. Nothing like doing your own research.

      • Blazer

         /  9th December 2019

        NZ is a great place for a Sikh with an arranged…marriage.
        Not so good for a cap wearing ,old timer trying to get his mail order bride into the country.

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    • Blazer

       /  9th December 2019

      these clubs and RSA’s are locked in the past.
      Mind you it is not prejudice…they kick anyone out who won’t remove their hat.
      Corky wouldn’t get far with his…cheese cutter.

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      • Corky

         /  9th December 2019

        Cheese cutters stink of socialism.

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        • Blazer

           /  9th December 2019

          what do you want then…a Derby,a Top hat or an Akubra?

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          • Pink David

             /  9th December 2019

            Corky wears a Fez. That should be obvious.

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          • Corky

             /  9th December 2019

            ”What do you want then…a Derby, a Top hat or an Akubra?”

            I want a ten gallon hat like Arty. Something to keep the sun off the sights of my gun when I’m lining up vermin for the kill. Yes,sir, re. My wants are simple.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th December 2019

              Well, yes, a ten gallon hat that really does hold ten gallons would probably fit your head.

  5. Corky

     /  9th December 2019

    Here’s the ultimate result of socialism; of welfarism and the doctrine of entitlement. This ungrateful thing wasn’t happy with what she received. Da gummint needs to do better and give her more of my money. Geez, Simon will need to do something about this.

    She looks familiar? Wasn’t she the mother of New Zealand’s youngest criminal at the time who had been charged with murder?

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/beneficiaries-being-delivered-my-food-bag-meals-part-government-trial-v1?auto=6113984341001

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    • Blazer

       /  9th December 2019

      Terrible idea.
      Super market vouchers(non transferable) to be spent on basic foodstuffs…no liquor,Coke,Chips,biscuits….a much better idea.

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      • Corky

         /  9th December 2019

        What type of socialist are you, Blazer? Shame on you! Liquor,Coke and Chips are the staple for many beanies..and surprisingly the lower middle class ( I use the term loosely).

        Anyone who doesn’t believe me ( that will be Kitty) is welcome to go down the fizzy drink isle and observe. Quick glances and non suspicious behaviour will be the order of the day. Beanies pick up vibes very quickly, especially from people who think they are better than the rest.

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      • Gezza

         /  9th December 2019

        Imagine the outcry.

        “No Food Stamps ! This is not America 😠 ! “

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        • Corky

           /  9th December 2019

          Blazer is right, and so are you. There’s no winning in Aotearoa.

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          • Gezza

             /  9th December 2019

            😀 👍🏼

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th December 2019

              The My Food Bag boxes are expensive and most people could probably make $2-300 go a lot further than a small box with things like free range chicken breasts in it. If the government thinks that boxes are a good idea, why not do them through a supermarket ? Even at Countdown online people could have far more food that they seem to get with My Food Bag which was not intended for this.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th December 2019

              The cheapest My Food Bag (their bargain priced meals) are ‘$8.60 a plate’ .And the people still have to prepare and make it.

              Who spends $8.60 on a single serving and thinks that that’s cheap ?

              The vouchers, where people can buy their own food are a much better idea. They can’t buy liquor, cigarettes or soft drinks, but they could do a lot better than My Food Bag.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th December 2019

              For the price of 1kg of chicken breasts like the ones shown in the My Food Bag story, someone could buy 3 whole chickens (1.5kg each) and a loaf of bread to make sandwiches with the leftovers.

              The person whose idea this was has no idea of what most people spend on groceries.

  6. Corky

     /  9th December 2019

    They are talking about this case on Magic talk. The host has made it clear there is no proof Muslims are the perpetrators, but reading the story it has all the hallmarks of how Muslims have acted overseas. My next guess would be Christian Island folk. Apparently onlookers..just looked on.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/118026269/woman-sunbathing-topless-assaulted-at-aucklands-point-chevalier-beach

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  9th December 2019

      Oh, come on ! Much ado about nothing.

      The assault consisted of having sand kicked at her and a towel dropped on her chest.

      Had the people been Muslims, this would have been obvious.

      I have yet to hear of Muslims behaving like this on beaches here. In France, they were the ones being abused and forced to strip at gunpoint because they were too covered up (leggings and tunic)

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  7. Corky

     /  9th December 2019

    First they came for your guns..then they strengthened their tactical advantage. Just what police need when fugwits wake and and realise just what a cashless, compulsory medical intervention society will entail.

    In fact just this very second a guy has come on radio to say how lucky he was to have cash when the ATM machines were down during the South Island floods.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405118/police-get-new-armoured-vehicles-for-high-risk-incidents

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  9th December 2019

      What on earth do three armoured cars have to do with an apocryphal cashless society or theoretical compulsory medical intervention ?

      If the place is flooded, the shops would probably be shut anyway, so it would be academic.

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  8. Corky

     /  9th December 2019

    There are two types of people…those who can get an overview and see all the dots joining up. And those who have to concentrate on on issue at a time. Quite easy to see who fits what descriptor.😊✔

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    • Corky

       /  9th December 2019

      *one

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  9th December 2019

        We don’t have a cashless society.

        We don’t have compulsory medical treatment.

        Only a small number of guns have been made illegal, so the statement that they’ve come for your guns is also false.

        There is no link between these non-existent things and the police having three armoured cars except in your mind.

        You may think that you’re joining the dots, but you’re joining the dotty.

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      • Corky

         /  9th December 2019

        The above example is what I call linear thinking. It focuses on the present. But even then there is room to join some dots Let’s see:

        1- We don’t have a cashless society. Fact? Fiction.
        Some people are already cashless. When it reaches a tipping point similar to the 2% of the nations car fleet being electric before charges will apply, the government will implement a cashless society.

        2- ”We don’t have compulsory medical treatment.”

        We do – it’s called fluoridation and chlorination. Vaccinations will follow. Next will come implanted chips.

        3- ”Only a small number of guns have been made illegal, so the statement that they’ve come for your guns is also false.”

        Only a fool would believe the government won’t come for your guns if civil unrest , regardless of the cause, escalates. White Island is an example of how quickly civil unrest can happen.

        4- ”There is no link between these non-existent things and the police having three armoured cars except in your mind.”

        What comes to mind for me: start small, end big ( American Swat Teams). Previous flooding in the South Island had the Chinese embassy ferry it’s own people out on helicopters. They cared nothing for other tourists. Is a showdown looming for whatever reason? What is the connection to the special purposed vehicle now roaming the Auckland motorways checking number plates? Is there a connection? Are the police introducing AI and less personal for dangerous situations. Are such vehicles cheaper in the long run than patrol cars?

        ”You may think that you’re joining the dots, but you’re joining the dotty.”

        Nothing you can think of on a topic is nutty. You always start with all thoughts on the topic.

        Well there is Kitties linear thinking v my 4th dimensional thinking. One produces correct predictions and alternate views of reality…unfortunately the other produces nothing.
        That’s why such people have to live off others work and offer the usual passe observations.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  9th December 2019

          More nonsense and distortion..

          You may call logical thinking linear because it’s based on logic and not fantasy. Most wouldn’t.

          It is true that only certain kinds of guns have been made illegal since the Christchurch massacres, The hysterical cries of ‘They’re coming for your guns !’ are based upon paranoia, as are the ideas that the police are driving around in special cars checking number plates. and that civil unrest (which is unlikely to happen to that extent; why would it need to ?) will see people’s guns being removed from them en masse by ‘them’.

          Your paranoia is showing.

          You don’t seem to realise that White Island is a volcanic eruption, not an example of the speed of civil unrest !!!

          Chlorine is used to make water clean and safe. Do you want to drink contaminated water ? I don’t. Chlorine is hardly a medicine. Fluoride is a natural mineral known to reduce tooth decay. The fact that these are used doesn’t mean that vaccination and microchips will be compulsory. You can’t possibly know that.

          Yes, many people use things like eftpos and online banking. I have for years. This doesn’t mean that NZ is a cashless society. More false logic and quantum leaps.

          The rest of the post is too farfetched to be dignified with a reasoned response.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  9th December 2019

            You’re confusing the Kaikoura earthquake with flooding in the South Island.

            Yes, the Chinese embassy sent two helicopters, but there were plenty of others and the language would make it logical that a Chinese one would go for Chinese people. The helicopters could only hold four and six people respectively.

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        • Corky

           /  9th December 2019

          ”Fluoride is a natural mineral known to reduce tooth decay.”

          True..but they don’t put natural fluoride our drinking water. Maybe I’m wrong, someone can correct me. 🤔

          The defence will rest your honour.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  9th December 2019

    Will my post make it past PGs moderation,david s you are a jerk but please put a good word in PLEASE ie free speech….dosnt look good,sigh

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  9th December 2019

      Poor old Lurch ! Your posts may be a bit wild sometimes, but they’re honest, unlike Corky’s. It amazes me that his rants are not moderated, especially when they are complete inventions.

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    • Corky

       /  9th December 2019

      Best of luck for tomorrow, Lurchy. Maybe a Xmas present for Pete to sweeten him up may help? A couple of young Maqui Berry trees could do the trick.

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  10. Corky

     /  9th December 2019

    Seven Sharp has stated we have nothing to worry about regarding 5G networks.

    See what passes for journalism nowadays. And see the hosts reaction to the professors comments. Unbelievable.

    ”Professor debunks some of the myths surrounding the safety of 5G”

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    • Duker

       /  10th December 2019

      You mean the one where a host correctly said the sun is more dangerous than 5G.

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      • Corky

         /  10th December 2019

        No, the one were they had a ”physicist’ on, who told them don’t be silly. Everything is kapai. He then regaled us with a story about a nut who believe the signals would bounce off chemtrails and could possibly be used for mind control. 😊

        What was missing was the many scientists who are concerned about possible short and long term negative affects from 5G.

        I have already posted clips of POSSIBLE vegetative damage caused by cell towers.

        At the end the hosts felt so much better that we have nothing to worry about. The late Dr Neil Cherry ( Environmental science) would have given these hosts a not so rosy picture…with many things to worry about. He was after all an Environmental Scientist.

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        • Duker

           /  10th December 2019

          Its Physics . What do you even mean by ‘environmental scientist’ in this context.

          Hers what Cherry siad
          ” Electromagnetic fields and radiation damage DNA and enhance cell death rates and therefore they are a Ubiquitous Universal Genotoxic Carcinogen that enhances the rates of Cancer, Cardiac, Reproductive and Neurological disease and mortality in human populations. Therefore there is no safe threshold level. The only safe exposure level is zero, a position confirmed by dose-response trends in epidemiological studies.”

          Im no scientist and yet its clearly nonsense and rubbish science. Hint a lot of ‘radiation’ cant even penetrate the skin let alone damage cell DNA.

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          • Corky

             /  10th December 2019

            ”Its Physics . What do you even mean by ‘environmental scientist’ in this context.”

            Google: re Physics.

            ”They may study the evolution of the universe and the fundamental properties of molecules and atoms. In the case of the application of practical areas, a physicist may develop medical equipment and advanced materials. … Physicists can work on applied physics which has a focus on fiber optics, medical, or nuclear physics.”

            Ok…you work out the rest.

            ”Im no scientist and yet its clearly nonsense and rubbish science.

            All science is open to debate. However: ”Hint, a lot of ‘radiation’ can’t even penetrate the skin let alone damage cell DNA.”

            I’m afraid that answer won’t cut the mustard. And it’s a rubbish answer.

            You must also take in to a consideration the ”electrical quotient ” of a body. There seems to be this mistaken belief of penetration being needed to cause damage.

            Honestly, dude. I get shite from ignoramuses like Kitty and Griff, who accuse me of not understanding science. So I quote a scientist, and you tell me he’s talking rubbish! 🤔. What have you three got in common, apart from the same hive?

            You guys wouldn’t have a clue what you are taking about. 😊

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  10th December 2019

              You believe in cloudbusters and wonder why people think that you don’t understand science (not that I have ever claimed that you don’t understand ANY science, this is another of your ridiculous lies. It’s not possible, I hope, to be totally ignorant of the subject) Your own cloudbuster was made with the help of a non-existent academic in a non-existent department at Victoria. it might be an idea to check that the person and department exist before making these claims.

              Your odd beliefs show that you have a limited understanding of many things.

              Not all scientists are created equal, and not all so-called scientific conclusions are valid.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  10th December 2019

            Duker, ask Corky about his rellie, a teacher, who’s a ‘Circuit Head’ and took eight hours, even with help from the rellies to prepare the next year’s work.

            This did give real teachers a good laugh, I must say.

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            • Duker

               /  10th December 2019

              Cherry had a PhD in physics… A study of wind and waves was hid thesis
              he worked in meteorology. And wrote about reducing frost damage in vineyards.
              He knew sfa about health , environmental or otherwise

  11. duperez

     /  9th December 2019

    Late at night news breaking that Russia is banned from the next two Olympics. Wow, that’s a surprise. Now if that were the States what would their leader do and say? What will Putin do?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  10th December 2019

      The story is very odd; most of the athletes WILL be competing, according to The Economist.

      They can go under their own country’s flag or a neutral one. The Economist describes it as a ban in name only, and it sounds like one.

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  12. Corky

     /  10th December 2019

    Still alleged victims won’t let Peter Ellis rest in peace. These parents need to reconsider what part they had in creating fear in their children.

    Notice the Freudian slips associated with hell.

    Recent quote:

    “I said, ‘well, apparently he’s been hurting some children’. She didn’t say anything. I said, ‘has he hurt you?’ And she said, ‘yes’. I said, ‘why haven’t you told me?’ and she said, ‘because he said he would burn your eyes out if I told’.

    Recent quote:

    “A three-year-old is not going to tell fibs … you can just tell when a child’s not telling you the truth. But this was totally the truth. And that’s I think the worst thing, is the children now not being believed,” she said”

    Quote from Google:

    ”When do children start lying? Children can learn to tell lies from an early age, usually around three years of age. This is when your child starts to realise that you aren’t a mind reader, so he can say things that aren’t true without you always knowing. Children lie more at 4-6 years.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117932998/mums-of-former-crche-kids-dismayed-by-peter-ellis-appeal-process

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  10th December 2019

      That story is old news. It was published more than a week ago.

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    • Corky

       /  10th December 2019

      Apparently the story is old news. Linear thinking. So we don’t discuss it anymore. RIGHT, that’s sorted.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  10th December 2019

        Not at all. I suspect that you are going to flog the inaccurate linear thinking thing to death; very yawn-making. Repeating something untrue doesn’t make it true.

        The story of the mothers IS old news, and if you thought it was worth repeating you should have done it at the time. Other people read the news as well, odd as that may seem.

        There’s little sense in repeating an old story as if it had just happened and no one else will have heard it.

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  13. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  10th December 2019

    Defamation case currently running
    Stephen Joyce v NBR
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/12/10/940799/tweeting-lands-publisher-in-court

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  14. Corky

     /  10th December 2019

    Mikey slammed the media this morning for losing the ability to ask hard questions. He also asked why the media is only asking the PM about White Island. On the face of it the answer should be simple. Yes, but this incessant fixation to the exclusion of other stories deserving similar coverage, has become the hallmark of our media

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  10th December 2019

      It happens in other countries, too, as anyone who’s travelled abroad will know.

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    • Corky

       /  10th December 2019

      Apparently what Mikey has related happens in other countries. The Twin Tower terrorist attack comes to mind. I was in Europe at the time. And I can tell you, it was the No1 news story.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  10th December 2019

        That’s what I’ve just said. It was here, too, to the virtual exclusion of everything else.

        Whereabouts in Europe were you ?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  10th December 2019

          One of these places ?

          Nulle Part (France)

          Nergens (Holland)

          En Ninguna Parte (Spain)

          Da Nessun Parte (Italy)

          Nergem (Germany)

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  15. Corky

     /  10th December 2019

    Causal white racism as practised by more than a few teachers in our education system.

    Here’s a very good example of how that racism manifests.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  10th December 2019

      Fox News is American. What happens there doesn’t necessarily happen here, so it can’t be said to be ‘our’ education system.

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    • Corky

       /  10th December 2019

      Fox News is American, folks. That would explain American accents.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  10th December 2019

        Don’t parrot what people say.

        The fact that something happens in American education doesn’t mean that it does here. Their education system is not ‘our’ education. It’s pointless to show an American ‘news story’ to demonstrate what is going on in NZ.It proves nothing.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  10th December 2019

          In fact, this story is about black people in the US supposedly not having ID; how does that have anything to do with NZ education and its supposed racism?

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      • Corky

         /  10th December 2019

        The penny finally drops. And great advice too.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  10th December 2019

          Thank goodness you have realised that the story had nothing at all to do with NZ and its education system and have admitted it. It’s rare for you to admit that you’re in the wrong and that someone else is right. Keep up the good work.

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        • Corky

           /  10th December 2019

          Good to see someone , not me. has realised this. It should make for more logical posts.

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    • Gezza

       /  10th December 2019

      Typical Fox News item. The “interviewer” asks a simplistic question of a few white & black voters in Washington DC that presupposes US voter suppression happens everywhere, including in Washington, & when every black person he shows says they have “ID”, & know where to get driver’s licences, he’s clearly misleading viewers, aiming to show a voter suppression problem doesn’t really exist in the US.

      But that’s not the full story & the ways voting is made difficult for blacks & other minorities includes a range of measures like closing polling places in easy reach of minority voters, refusing employees time off to vote, refusing to accept certain types of ID, wiping registered voters from rolls etc. Its worse in some states than others, mostly Southern Republican-held states it seems. There are quite a few news articles one can read on the issue. Also this:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

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      • Corky

         /  10th December 2019

        The point was expressed as to typical causal white racism as I have experienced teachers express…but in much more blatant terms. As for voter ID etc..that was of no concern for me.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  10th December 2019

          Why bother to show it, then, wasting people’s time ? It would make sense to show an actual example from NZ, not an irrelevant one from America .

          How many teachers express this ? Does your rellie. the Circuit Head ?

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        • Gezza

           /  10th December 2019

          Ah, but that’s the trick. One very short answer is all you are getting shown. What was the context? How many questions were they asked, & how many did they ask, before you got that one or two second clip?

          What were the full conversations? What were they commenting on? Were they commenting on what they’ve heard about the voter suppression-related ID problems in other states that have happened – where black voters’ IDs that are accepted in Washington are not accepted there?

          How many people were asked? Did they just select those tiny few white folks who assumed from what they know about other states it also happened in Washington? Were there lots of others who knew it wasn’t a problem for Washington’s black voters? But none of those people were included in the clip.

          I would think any casual racism in that clip comes from Trump & Republican-friendly Fox News, personally.

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        • Gezza

           /  10th December 2019

          PS : Can I just clarify – what do you mean by “causal white racism”?

          I’ve assumed you meant casual white racism, but as you’ve said “causal” both times, causal has an entirely different meaning. Are we talking about the same thing?

          Either way, what is it you see in there that shows causal or casual white racism similar to what you have seen teachers here in NZ express?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  10th December 2019

        All black voters didn’t have the vote until the 60s.

        Was it the last election or the one before where they had ‘chads’ cut by cutters that didn’t work properly and go right through ? Even though it was obvious that someone had marked a particular candidate, even if the paper wasn’t cut through, the votes were disallowed and the people were not let to vote again. I think it was in Florida and that the voters were largely black.

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  16. Corky

     /  10th December 2019

    Apparently according to Michael Woodhouse, the 13 new chairs for the Healthboards are political appointments. Rick Baker ( Hawke’s Bay) has basically said he will just be attending each 6 weekly meeting, and that is focus is eleswhere….but his text and email work perfectly.

    Hmmm, Rick Barker?

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405145/national-slams-government-west-coast-dhb-chair-appointment

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    • Duker

       /  10th December 2019

      And national didn’t make political appointments . Ex MP Simcock for waikato DHB comes to mind …it was z total disaster
      He didn’t say ‘just a monthly meeting’s ….that was the F U.. Pugh words.

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      • Corky

         /  10th December 2019

        National isn’t in power. Did they introduce 13 new chairs? This government is corrupt and must go.

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        • Duker

           /  11th December 2019

          So its not Ok when Labour does what National used to do?

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          • Corky

             /  11th December 2019

            I think National interviewed candidates ? And they weren’t so blatant. But if you want to go down that road, it doesn’t say much for the morality of Labour, whose adored leader said it was the beginning of a new era when she took office. This government is corrupt and must be voted out of power.

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  17. Well, this is going to cause some hurt for Trump’s supporters

    The US Inspector General’s investigation of the investigators (as commissioned by Barr and Trump) has been released and it exonerates the FBI:

    “We discussed the issue of political bias in a prior OIG report, Review of Various Actions in Advance of the 2016 Election, where we described text and instant messages between then Special Counsel to the Deputy Director Lisa Page and then Section Chief Peter Strzok, among others, that included statements of hostility toward then-candidate Trump and statements of support for then-candidate Hillary Clinton.

    In his review, we found that, while Lisa Page attended some of the discussions regarding the opening of the investigations, she did not play a role in the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane or the four individual cases.

    We further found that while Strzok was directly involved in the decisions to open Crossfire Hurricane and the four individual cases, he was not the sole, or even the highest-level, decision-maker as to any of those matters. As noted above, then CD AD Priestap, Strzok’s supervisor, was the official who ultimately made the decision to open the investigation, and evidence reflected that this decision by Priestap was reached by consensus after multiple days of discussions and meetings that included Strzok and other leadership in CD, the FBI Deputy Director, the FBI General Counsel, and a FBI Deputy General Counsel.

    We concluded that Priestap’s exercise of discretion in opening the investigation was in compliance with Department and FBI policies, and we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced his decision. We similarly found that, while the formal documentation opening each of the four individual investigations was approved by Strzok (as required by the DIOG), the decisions to do so were reached by a consensus among the Crossfire Hurricane agents and analysts who identified individuals associated with the Trump campaign who had recently traveled to Russia or had other alleged ties to Russia. Priestap was involved in these decisions. We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations.”

    President Trump has attacked and maligned FBI agents for years with zero evidence.

    Now, it emerges that the FBI’s original investigation wasn’t a conspiracy against Trump at all.

    The FBI agents weren’t out to get his campaign. In fact, it’s emerged that Trump’s daughter Ivanka actually had a friendly relationship with Christopher Steele for years.

    So all of the conspiracy theories that Trump and the conservative media were spouting for years about the FBI, about Page, and about Strzok were, in essence, lies. Go figure

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    • Pink David

       /  10th December 2019

      Love it Mistakes were made, no intent, case closed.

      “We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications
      and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning.Although we
      did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
      part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents
      and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
      satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information..”

      “That so many basic and fundamental errors were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command’s management and supervision of the FISA process.”

      So, completely incompetent.

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  18. Gezza

     /  10th December 2019


    Armed police surround & eventually arrest a man who was seen crouching and aiming a scoped rifle at them in Napier

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/117949849/man-with-firearm-aims-at-police-in-park-island-napier

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  20. Gezza

     /  11th December 2019

    Henny Blackbird, Pookden Manor, 8.30 am this morning. I’m watching the pooks and their pooklet on the stream bank just over the fence. She’s so used to me feeding her on the kitchen window ledge, or on the fencetop, that she’s relaxed enuf to have a snooze in the shade right next to me.

    She and partner Blackie have been feeding a blackbird fledgling born in a nest in a pittosporum just over the fence about a month ago. But now the fledgling has begun to fly about up and down the stream and for some reason Blackie’s doing all the feeding. The couple unfortunately seem to have split up. She gets quite snappy with him.

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  21. Gezza

     /  11th December 2019


    More gun madness in the US of A

    New Jersey shooting: ‘Sounds like a war zone’, officers ‘shot’

    A major police operation is underway in the heart of Jersey City where a volley of shots have been fired and several people are dead in scenes reminiscent of a “war zone”.

    Jersey City mayor Steven Fulop said there were “multiple deceased” inside a commercial building on Martin Luther King Drive.

    A police officer and multiple others were killed in the shooting that authorities say is not believed to have been a terrorism attack. Police are looking for two shooters – a man and a woman, CBS News reported.

    One officer was pronounced dead at a hospital and multiple other people were found dead at the scene, Fulop said without indicating how many were killed. A second officer was struck in the shoulder by gunfire, and two others were injured by shrapnel, Fulop said.

    Sporadic, heavy gunfire rang out over the course of at least an hour along a major thoroughfare but has quieted down. SWAT teams, state police and federal agents responded to the scene, and police blocked off the area, which, in addition to the school, has some stores, a kosher supermarket and a hair stylist.

    The sounds of rapid gunfire ringing out on the street were captured on video and shared widely on social media. Dozens of bystanders pressed against the police barrier to film the action on cellphones, some whooping when gunfire bursts filled the air.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12292739

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    • Gezza

       /  11th December 2019

      Stuff’s story looks more up to date:

      A police officer and at least five other people were killed in a furious gun battle that filled the streets of Jersey City in the United States.

      The dead included two suspects, Jersey City Police Chief Michael Kelly said.

      The shooting took place at two scenes, starting at a cemetery, where the officer was gunned down, and continuing at a kosher supermarket, where five more bodies were found, Kelly said. He would not say exactly what set off the shooting but that he believes the officer who was killed was trying to stop some “bad guys.”

      Two other officers were wounded but were later released from the hospital, authorities said.

      The bullets started flying early in the afternoon in the city of about 270,000 people, situated across the Hudson River from the Statue of Liberty.

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  22. Corky

     /  11th December 2019

    Unbelievable!!!! Does no one learn in this fugging country? We had a decade of mediocrity from our netball girls because we kept selecting the wrong coach.

    And now we have gone and selected the wrong coach for the ABs. Old,stale and yesterdays news. It’s not that this selection was unexpected, but many were hopeful sanity would prevail. Therefore, I’m picking many punters will be disappointed.

    I can hear Martin Devlin screaming already.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/118113331/all-blacks-name-ian-foster-next-head-coach-live

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    • duperez

       /  11th December 2019

      You can hear Martin Devlin screaming already, going on like a raving lunatic? So, isn’t that normal transmission, ‘already’ meaning just carrying on?

      I remember once upon a time they appointed ‘old, stale and yesterdays news’, the ‘been there done that’ brigade. Fair bit of anger around at the time. Turned out okay for Graham Henry though I believe.

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      • Corky

         /  11th December 2019

        ”You can hear Martin Devlin screaming already, going on like a raving lunatic? So, isn’t that normal transmission, ‘already’ meaning just carrying on?”

        Yes, except faster and worse.

        ”I remember once upon a time they appointed ‘old, stale and yesterdays news’, the ‘been there done that’ brigade. Fair bit of anger around at the time. Turned out okay for Graham Henry though I believe.”

        Correct. And those punters were wrong about Henry, just as punters like me may be wrong about Foster. The only way Foster comes out of this with mana, is do what Henry did…win, and stick it up the critics.

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  23. Corky

     /  11th December 2019

    Simon lets his inner Maori out..starts off bad…but then explodes. 😊✔ Jacinda just doesn’t cut the mustard with her rendition while driving some dead-beat American TV host. Makes a man want to vote.✔

    “Tihei mauri ora’. Ladies and Gentlemen, our next PM.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12292807

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    • duperez

       /  11th December 2019

      “Tihei mauri ora’. Ladies and Gentlemen, our next PM?”

      Pronunciation guide: Tee hee bloody Nora? 😊

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  24. Gezza

     /  11th December 2019

    NZ First Minister Shane Jones has been sent to hospital after feeling very light-headed. Jones, who was answering questions from journalists on Wednesday afternoon, left Parliament shortly afterwards in an ambulance.

    A Wellington Free Ambulance spokeswoman confirmed an ambulance had attended an incident in Parliament and the person had been sent to Wellington Hospital in a “moderate condition.” [NB: Moderate, not modest – Gez]

    Winston Peters thought Jones was feeling light-headed likely due to overwork. He said Jones had seen a doctor but was okay. “The fact is he’s worked every day for the last month and he was at a Tangi last night in Northland so I think it might be a case of exhaustion,” Peters said. … “We’ve got a doctor to him and everything is fine.”

    More soon.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118122949/shane-jones-taken-to-hospital-after-feeling-lightheaded

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  25. Corky

     /  11th December 2019

    Probably low blood sugar and a touch of the flu. But would they say if it was a little worse than that?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  11th December 2019

      Flu in December is unlikely, and I’m sure that he’d have the sense to have the vaccine.

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  26. Gezza

     /  11th December 2019

    This is a bit hmmm …

    Crimson Education accused of using untrained tutors and operating ghost offices


    John Key, an investor and “advisor”, hard selling Crimson Education at the launch of their online school in November

    “Kiwi millionaire Jamie Beaton is defending his company Crimson Education after being accused of using untrained tutors and ghost offices.

    The education consulting company, co-founded by Beaton and Sharndre Kushor, offers a consulting and tutoring service for international students seeking to attend elite American universities, costing up to US$10,000 (NZ$15,000) for the programme.

    But USA Today has raised questions about Crimson’s claim of 100 per cent success rate, tutor qualifications, empty offices at some cities in the United States and Britain and membership to professional associations.

    USA Today reporters who visited the Crimson offices in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and London found there were no staff at the offices and in one case, there were no signs the company had ever been there. Listings for some of the offices were removed from the Crimson Education website after USA Today began investigating.

    But, Crimson Education spokeswoman Kimberley Scott said in a written response to Stuff that the USA Today article was misleading on some points. Crimson had offices in 20 cities around the world, Scott said. “In some of our smaller territories the telephone numbers are not manned 24/7 and alternatively are sometimes redirected to larger offices, for example in the case of Edinburgh to London, but all our callers are contacted within 48 hours of leaving a message,” She denied the company had removed contact details for ghost offices from its website.

    “We are also in the process of revamping our entire website to a new technology platform called Storyblok which meant re-doing content and design.”

    Scott also refuted claims from named and unnamed current and former tutors who raised questions about the level of training they received. One tutor told USA Today that his training came almost entirely from the company’s teaching manual, a claim the company denies.

    Crimson originally claimed on its website that it belonged to National Association for College Admission Counseling and the International Association for College Admission Counseling. But USA Today found the company overstated how many of its employees had taken the training to be part of these groups. Documents provided by Crimson to Stuff show one employee was a member of International Association for College Admission Counseling. The company did not give any evidence to show that any of its other 2400 staff belonged to the same organisation.

    The fast-expanding company, which bought out a number of rival tutoring businesses, has a hefty cast of investors including billionaire hedge fund manager Julian Roberston, and more recently former prime minister Sir John Key. It is believed the company is worth $410 million. Key’s son, Max Key, was one of Crimson’s tutors from 2015 to 2017.

    In November, Beaton announced the launch of an online high school, to open next year. The school would offer direct teaching through digital seminars and one-to-one tuition, Beaton said.

    Crimson Global Academy is registered as an independent high school. Fees for full-time students would be between $15,000 and $20,000, while part-time students will pay $2000 to $5000, depending on what courses they studied.

    Over the last six years, Crimson has fought at least two court cases which carry extensive suppression orders.When asked about the legal action Beaton said he had been advised by his lawyer not to comment.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118087133/crimson-education-accused-of-using-untrained-tutors-and-operating-ghost-offices

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    • duperez

       /  12th December 2019

      No story here. The guy who started it went to St Kentigern and Kings College and look at the well-heeled who are involved. Everything will be kosher.

      Mind you if there were something appearing to be a bit shady with some young guy from Manurewa, Porirua, South Dunedin were involved ….

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  27. Blazer

     /  11th December 2019

    Crimson faces…all round!

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  28. Corky

     /  11th December 2019

    What the!! Kiwi Bank has just emailed me to say they are discontinuing their Loaded For Travel debit cards( Visa backed). They say they have looked at their products and want a more streamlined operation, so some hard decisions had to be made.

    I think that’s bs. They have just woken up to the fact these cards are great for moving overseas funds, and for hiding money from the taxman. Also they have probably found out many of these card holders aren’t real people.😊😡

    Big brother continues to close in.😡😆😡

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    • Duker

       /  11th December 2019

      So YOU have been rumbled? I used to use them for buying things online , better FX deal than using say amozons conversion rate

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  11th December 2019

        Have you been naughty too, Duker?

        Reply
        • Kitty Catkin

           /  11th December 2019

          How do you know that the cardholders aren’t real people and that people are using these cards for illegal tax evasion and other dodgy practices ?

          Reply
          • Kitty Catkin

             /  11th December 2019

            People applying for these cards need to provide photo ID like a passport, or they do for ordinary Visa cards. Also proof that they live at the address claimed.

            I would think that anyone going in for tax evasion would use a less obvious method than trying to do it with a Visa card.

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        • Corky

           /  11th December 2019

          Some people will always be behind the 8 ball. They probably still write cheques. But for how much longer?😊

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          • Corky

             /  11th December 2019

            Kitty raises the obvious…of course you need ID to get these cards. How that is circumvented is a propriety secret only available to those who learn, have the right contacts..and know what they are talking about.

            People shouldn’t talk about things they know nothing about.

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            • Corky

               /  11th December 2019

              I should add there is a moral divide between criminals and privacy seekers. Although legally that line can blur in certain circumstances.

            • Corky

               /  11th December 2019

              I haven’t come across any official announcement from Kiwi Bank. So that’s good. I’m often accused of lying ( in a nice way). So here’s something that I couldn’t lie about.👍

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