Open Forum – 22 December

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  2. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  22nd December 2019

    I’d rather be enjoying Summer Solstice at 5:19pm
    https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/summer-solstice.html

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  3. A 66-year-old bricklayer from Canterbury and a few others have been looking like petty numpties on Twitter.

    The mystery man leading the bizarre online #turnardern campaign against Jacinda Ardern

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12295954

    They seem to think that attention means success, but not all publicity is good publicity.

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    • duperez

       /  22nd December 2019

      Ironic claiming the PM is spending all her time doing PR and then demonstrating that the PR he loathes has so captured him he dedicates his life to it.

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      • Duker

         /  22nd December 2019

        The nut job doesnt realise the Womens mags cover stories are just rehashes of old themes using existing photos.
        Theres only been one or two ‘photoshoots’ plus a few pics at home with Neve, soon after she was born.
        Now Simon Bridges , and his wife ( who is in PR) have had multiple ‘exclusive’ photo shoots ‘at home with the kids’ etc , much much more than Ardern.

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        • Duker

           /  22nd December 2019

          Heres the website that has most of the womans mag ( Womans Weekly, Womans day, Simply You etc) stories.
          These are the ones listed under ‘Neve”
          https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/search/neve

          And how many have ‘photoshoots’ and how many are just stock pics taken at public events which any ‘pap’ can attend ?

          I think you will find much more ‘high end photoshoots’ of Paula Bennett styled within an inch of her life, than Ardern who really doesnt go for that sort of thing

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    • Corky

       /  22nd December 2019

      This chap is a great diversion while quiet people with an agenda work hard behind the scenes to rid us of socialism for good. Of course this chap will no doubt blow his own trumpet when Jacinda and her motley crew of losers are given the heave-ho- not that anybody will care.

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  4. He has made lying ‘normal’.

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    • duperez

       /  22nd December 2019

      Ain’t that the truth.

      But it’s more than that. He’s made scorning the truth normal. He’s made scorning the seeking of the truth normal.

      In the histories, the fact that he was impeached will be a prime and early note. His Fakenews strategy will be of far more significance and have a more deleterious effect on his country. And in places like ours where the clods lionise him and his behaviour.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  22nd December 2019

        14 lies a day for 13 days and 15 in one day.

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      • Pink David

         /  22nd December 2019

        “In the histories, the fact that he was impeached will be a prime and early note.”

        In the histories, it will noted that impeachment became meaningless with the ‘impeachment’ of Donald Trump.

        “And in places like ours where the clods lionise him and his behaviour.”

        Thanks for the chuckle. You do realise that the deplorable line is the single most powerful tool that Trump has don’t you? Your working as a campaigner for him.

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        • duperez

           /  22nd December 2019

          Maybe I’m an agent for him! (Maybe that’s why I don’t go into certain consulates.)
          Maybe those limitations are why I cannot see that everyone saying nothing is the best strategy.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  22nd December 2019

    The gun nutters lobby stated that criminals will not be handing their guns in, and so it has come to pass,some gun owners are now criminals.Their spokeswomen stated it was confusing and they need more time, CONFUSED and they own and use AR15s(like a drunk in charge of a car)well those gun owners who hide their AR15s are the new mongrel mob, criminals in the eyes of the law, with loss of licence forever, loss of guns and 5 years inside and most people wont care and whats worse for them is responsible gun owners will dob them in…they obeyed the law and the now criminal gun owners didn’t and i don’t think David Seymor will come to their rescue, public opinion isn’t in his or their favour. .

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    • Corky

       /  22nd December 2019

      That’s RIGHT. You have proved like the majority of anti- gun nutters you don’t understand. Never will. And you have no interest in trying.

      Those semis are beautiful creatures. They look fine. Fire fine..and the recoil lightly digs into your shoulder in very satisfying way. Nothing better than firing away as a carpet of shinny brass grows around your feet.

      Then some murderous creep comes along and murders a whole heap of people. Suddenly it’s the guns fault; my fault. The gummint is gonna teach me a lesson by taking my gun off me. That will solve the problem…and gun violence will decrease.

      Yeah RIGHT! On ya bike, chum!

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd December 2019

    The focus on what Trump says rather than what he does is a perpetually losing strategy for his opponents. His supporters listen for entertainment but watch what he does for confirmation of their support.

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    • Speaking of listening for entertainment, here’s the “Leader of the Free World” entertaining us all:

      “I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. It’s very expensive. They’re made in China and Germany mostly—very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous, if you’re into this, tremendous fumes, gases are spewing into the atmosphere.

      You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint. Fumes are spewing into the air, right? Spewing. Whether its in China, Germany, its going into the air. Our air, their air, everything. Right?

      They’re noisy. They kill the birds. You want to see a bird graveyard? You just go. Take a look. A bird graveyard. Go under a windmill someday. You’ll see more birds than you’ve ever seen ever in your life.”

      I somehow suspect this is President Trump saying he doesn’t understand wind then proving it with a large and meaningless eructation of hot air.

      But it’s entertaining… I suppose…

      I just can’t shake off the feeling that what Trump says is symptomatic of what he does.

      Because of course if Trump were to say one thing and do another then he would be a “hyp·o·crite: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings”… or is that what you are actually trying to say, Alan?

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      • Gezza

         /  24th December 2019

        That’s a pretty normal feature of a Trump rally speech. I used to watch the occasional one on Youtube from start to end & they’d be peppered with rambles like this. And the crowds would cheer. In one way it was entertaining but in another it was really disconcerting as you realised there were thousands of people cheering everything he said no matter how bad, wrong or straight out bizarre it was.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  24th December 2019

          It was the same with Hitler. I heard of someone who went to one of his rallies out of curiosity and was, to their great surprise. really impressed…but when they read the notes they’d made, they realised that much of what he’d said made little sense.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th December 2019

            I have told the story before of seeing the film of Hitler at the rally, where it was shot from backstage. He stopped talking, switched off, came backstage, looked at someone and made a contemptuous face with eyeroll and a head jerk towards the audience, had a glass of water and went back out. He then switched back on and began ranting to the cheering crowd. If he’d made an obscene gesture and said ‘those bloody fools would believe anything.’ he couldn’t have expressed his contempt more clearly.

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            • Duker

               /  24th December 2019

              There were two major propaganda films of separate rallys held at the Luitpoldhain in Nuremberg
              The first Victory of Faith, all copies were ordered destroyed as it showed Hitler with Rohm, but a copy that was made in England showed up more recently
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Victory_of_Faith
              The later Triumph of the Will , also by Leni Riefenstahl is more well known

              Those may have the sequences you mention, but Im not going looking

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th December 2019

              This was utterly bizarre; first because he switched off as soon as he turned his back and second because of the expression that showed that he thought that the audience were idiots; it was surprising that it wasn’t edited out. Then he flicked a switch, turned back and began ranting again.

              I wondered what the crowds would have thought had they seen it.

              It was on a documentary years ago, and I have never forgotten it.

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd December 2019

    The focus on what Trump says rather than what he does is a perpetually losing strategy for his opponents. His supporters listen for entertainment but watch what he does for confirmation of their support.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd December 2019

      How did that happen?

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    • Duker

       /  22nd December 2019

      You know this how ? Even Trump would never say it , that effectively hes a bullshit artists.
      Its just a way for YOU to get around the absurdities, the rants , the illogicalities of what he says . There are mirrored in what he ‘does’ as well. The flip flops and back somersaults are just as ridiculous. He Whitehouse staff have a developed a system to just ignore his most bizarre actions, as hes a dumb-ass who cant remember whats hes ordered them to do. These are actions as you describe , as President
      Even in our part of the World , the TPP , he killed that off when he became President and now he wants to ‘rejoin’
      Its easier and more coherent to describe him as a f$#@tard of the highest order than try to make sense of his chaos

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      • Pink David

         /  22nd December 2019

        “Its easier and more coherent to describe him as a f$#@tard of the highest order than try to make sense of his chaos”

        This is you just admitting you don’t understand his success and giving up.

        His methods are very consistent. I’ll give you one pattern. He will damn China, then praise Xi. Just watch how often he uses that tool.

        On the TPP, if this does progress, I’ll place a very large wager that it will be on terms far more favorable to the US than it would have been had Trump not killed it off first time around. I believe he is going a far better job for the people who voted for him than any politician in recent times.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  22nd December 2019

        I wonder how you don’t know this. It is obvious to anyone with their eyes open. His supporters expect Trump to tease, ridicule, embarrass and infuriate their opponents. They know it is a sideshow to the main event: doing stuff they want done.

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        • duperez

           /  22nd December 2019

          Doing stuff they want done?

          That clicked me into some reference I heard the other day. I heard it said the Democrats were making sure nothing was being done in the country besides impeachment and someone disputed it.

          Just checked it:

          https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-trump

          https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/nov/14/what-congress-doing-besides-impeachment/

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  23rd December 2019

            Passing bills they know won’t be agreed by the Senate is just political posturing, not serious governance.

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            • duperez

               /  23rd December 2019

              Which I guess means that serious governance is not doing anything.
              Or asking the other lot what they want to do and only doing that.

              When putting forward bills of what you think should be introduced, amended or whatever is just political posturing I suppose it’s time to go home and not do anything.

            • Duker

               /  23rd December 2019

              Its not about ‘agreed by Senate’, the Seante could pass its own version, you know amendments etc.
              Not even considering them . Just what is the Senate doing ? Apart from spending bills . NOTHING.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd December 2019

              It isn’t hard to work with someone if you want to rather than just to score political points. Obviously the Dems don’t.

            • Gezza

               /  24th December 2019

              Mutual intransigence by both Republicans & Democrats has been the hallmark of US politics since Trump was elected. It’s been common enuf for decades but he’s such an extreme provacateur it’s now reached the point where one just shakes one’s head as neither side will back down from anything.

  8. Corky

     /  22nd December 2019

    It’s hard to time a parcel from overseas at around Xmas time. But this time I got close to perfection. I needed my parcel to land roughly in a five day period before Xmas. Get it wrong, and said parcel goes through customs after Xmas or even New Years. Not good. My parcel left the International Mail Centre yesterday.

    Talking of postage. I went to post a letter yesterday and asked for stamps. The lady said they don’t do postage stamps. You hand your letter over. You pay your fee. That’s it. I have no idea what you do if you can’t access a Post Shop? I also don’t know if this is happening nationwide?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd December 2019

      PostShops sell stamps. Just ask for the denomination you want and they’ll let you have them. Or buy a book of stamps from somewhere like Warehouse Stationery.

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  9. Corky

     /  22nd December 2019

    ”Republicans are statistically more likely to believe in demons, ghosts and aliens than Democrats”

    When you live in the real world, sooner or later, you experience forces not of this world.

    https://www.newsweek.com/more-45-percent-americans-believe-demons-ghosts-are-real-survey-1466743

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  10. Corky

     /  22nd December 2019

    As I predicted, the West wouldn’t be able to contain themselves. France will now make it mandatory for ALL citizens to have digital Id.

    https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/10/08/nationwide-facial-recognition-program-underway-in-france/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd December 2019

      When and where did you predict that ?

      France is not the whole of the West.

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    • Duker

       /  22nd December 2019

      If you have a bank account …you have a digital id for that account
      Did you not know that numbers are ‘digital’….before the 1s and 0’s there was the base 10 from the number of digits on the hands.

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      • Corky

         /  23rd December 2019

        The things I learn everyday. May pay to read the article again and consider: coercion v choice.

        BTW..seen the new Visa add on TV? It’s the beginning of a major push for a new cashless society that will probably be announced by our PM in a few years time. Of course a cashless society means everyone will need national ID.

        What is the catch-line for this ad?:

        ”DON’T USE CASH, LIKE A CAVEMAN.”

        My, how the sheeple will lap that up.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  23rd December 2019

          One doesn’t often hear the word sheeple nowadays.

          I haven’t seen the ad; is it the Australian one that was made at the beginning of the year and has been criticised ?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd December 2019

            If you ever go to Europe, you’ll find that ID cards are a legal requirement and have been for many years. I don’t know if all countries have them but suspect that they do.We had to have them when we lived in Belgium and carry them at all times, even going across the road to Willy De Wit (corner shop)

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            • Duker

               /  23rd December 2019

              On the continent it’s very common, even registering with police when you change residence. The Anglo Saxon world does things differently, and that approach is an affront to individual liberties

            • Corky

               /  23rd December 2019

              Duke, I don’t think you realise what is happening here. We aren’t talking fragment ID. We are talking one overarching ID. That will eventually control access to public buildings, school enrolments, doctors surgeries.
              You won’t be able to piss without the state knowing.

              Now, having been to Europe,I know there are different rules around ID.
              Of course the reason ID is so important in Europe is because it’s possible to travel through multiple countries in one day.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th December 2019

            Where did you go in Europe ?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  24th December 2019

              It’s a fair question, surely.

              I lived in Belgium and England and spent time in Holland, Luxembourg, Germany, France, Wales, Cornwall….there’s no reason to conceal these things.

  11. Corky

     /  22nd December 2019

    Another top scientist calls time on climate change scammers.

    https://electroverse.net/another-climate-scientist-with-impeccable-credentials-breaks-ranks/

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  12. Conspiratoor

     /  22nd December 2019

    On yer Isaac. You never predicted greenhouse gases were going to kill us all but otherwise you weren’t far off the money all those years ago. I still find it incredible that in high school I went to the library to use the Encyclopaedia Britannica for writing my papers. Now I have access to the entire knowledge of the world on my phone. Wow!

    https://yournz.org/2018/12/31/isaac-asimovs-1984-predictions-for-2019/

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    • Corky

       /  22nd December 2019

      You have access to the entire ‘known’ world knowledge. And that is truly a ‘Wow,’ no question about that. But when you think of all the knowledge not available to the general public – knowledge suppressed by governments, corporations, inventors and the Catholic and Tibetan Buddhist sects, to name a few…then the mind cannot grasp that reality.

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      • Corky

         /  22nd December 2019

        Also knowledge that has been lost.

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      • Blazer

         /  22nd December 2019

        you’re outta your mind…or pissed. 😉

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        • Corky

           /  22nd December 2019

          Or maybe I have had a think about things. You do know what thinking is?😒

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        • Corky

           /  23rd December 2019

          Nuclear bombs in space?

          ”https://www.space.com/space-could-become-war-zone-soon.html’

          Quote:

          The use of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction in space is currently banned under the Outer Space Treaty and the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test Ban Treaty. But not all nuclear armed nations have ratified the latter, including the US and North Korea.

          A small number of nuclear tests in space were conducted in the 1960s including Starfish Prime. These resulted in artificial radiation belts forming around the Earth which were still detectable decades after the event – posing a danger for astronauts.

          These radiation belts also disabled half a dozen satellites in low Earth orbit. If the results of Starfish Prime are anything to go by, then clearly it would take only a handful of nuclear detonations to make space unusable for any satellites for decades to come.

          No sweat for Apollo to sail through that, eh…on their way to putting a man on the moon.😃

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  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th December 2019

    Saudi utterly evil.and vile ruling creeps to execute their minions over their state Khashoggi killing and butchery. Hopefully they will eventually meet the nasty end they so richly deserve.

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    • Gezza

       /  24th December 2019

      The Saudi hierarchy has correctly concluded that while they might be bad, their money’s good, & that’s all that really matters to the West.

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    • “Hopefully they will eventually meet the nasty end they so richly deserve.”

      Not going to happen – not as long as President Trump continues his most consistent foreign policy: enabling and supporting the thuggish Saudi regime.

      Such as:
      – choosing Saudi Arabia as his first foreign presidential trip
      – praising the Saudi blockade on Qatar
      – selling the Saudis precision-guided bombs
      – welcoming the 2017 Riyadh crack-down on businessfolk, officials and royal family
      – failing to condemn Saudi war crimes using US weaponry in Yemen
      – defending Mohammad bin Salman after MbS ordered Khashoggi’s murder
      – supplying the Saudis with nuclear technology after Khashoggi’s death
      – blocking the UN Security Council resolution on Yemen
      – leaving KSA off the US child-soldier blacklist despite his own State Department recommendations

      President Trump has consistently acted as Saudi Arabia’s bitch and continues to give the Saudis a blank cheque so that they can operate as they like. And as long as America continues with its weapons-sales addiction and its monopoly position in the Middle Eastern arms trade the “utterly evil and vile ruling creeps” in KSA will not meet the nasty end they richly deserve.

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      • Gezza

         /  24th December 2019

        “Incredibly, the White House issued a statement Monday calling the trial verdict “an important step in holding those responsible for this terrible crime accountable”.

        Republicans in Congress who vowed to insist on consequences for the murder quietly folded this month, stripping a sanctions provision from this year’s Defence Department authorisation act because of Trump’s opposition.”

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/118431759/jamal-khashoggi-verdict-is-a-mockery-of-justice

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th December 2019

          Having murdered Khashoggi and now murdering their own hired assassins the regime has written its own epitaph as the most despicable in recent times.

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          • Gezza

             /  24th December 2019

            Trump reckons they’re fine people. Good friends.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th December 2019

              He’s said that about a few people we know aren’t. Treat it as a negotiating tactic. Remember a diplomat has to be prepared to lie for their country.

            • Gezza

               /  24th December 2019

              Trump just lies prolifically about all sorts of things, Alan. Always has done. Usually for personal benefit, but sometimes even when he doesn’t need to, suggesting he’s just a pathological liar.

              If you want to add your own justification for his doing so in some circumstances you’re just joining a crowd of people who spend their time inventing reasons why it’s ok for him to be chronically dishonest.

              What has this negotiating tactic resulted in except to embolden the regime to continue its atrocious & repressive behaviour with impunity.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th December 2019

          What did Jacinda say?

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          • duperez

             /  24th December 2019

            Probably nothing yet while still pondering.

            Pondering what the condemnation will be if she makes no public comment.

            Or how quick and deep the condemnation will be for taking your sort of (very good) view, ‘Having murdered Khashoggi and now murdering their own hired assassins the regime has written its own epitaph as the most despicable in recent times.’ Or that approach being criticised as an implicit insult to our US allies.

            And in that event then being lambasted for an over-the-top, undiplomatic tone. Or if any less rigorous response being called weak-kneed, gutless and supporting terrorism.

            Christmas might save her but then it’d be ‘hiding behind Christmas.’

            I would expect the response to come from the Minister of Foreign affairs but Whananaki North at Christmas is a long way from a body being hacked up after an ordered murder in Istanbul

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          • Blazer

             /  25th December 2019

            what did oil slick Simon say?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th December 2019

          Your quote also omits this as well as the fact it came from the Stste Dept, not the WH:

          The US “encouraged Saudi Arabia to undertake a fair and transparent judicial process”, the official added.

          “We’re pressing them for more transparency and for holding everybody accountable.”

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          • Gezza

             /  25th December 2019

            Yes, I’m aware the only commentary has been from an un-named state department official. Actually I thought that article said so. I’d looked at a few. I assumed the White House website had linked to it.

            The whole comment thing is weird. It’s the only comment being cited in news reports, but I think they’re all quoting from each other. I haven’t been able to even find anything like it on the State Department website. Nobody seems to have identified the official who made the statement.

            This is all that Reuters said yesterday in one article:

            WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States considers Saudi Arabia’s sentencing of five people to death and three more to jail over the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi “an important step” in holding those responsible for the crime accountable, a senior official of the U.S. administration said on Monday.

            “This is an important step in holding those responsible for this terrible crime accountable, and we encourage Saudi Arabia to continue with a fair and transparent judicial process,” said the official, who did not wish to be otherwise identified.

            It appears the US & White House & Trump’s official position on it is no comment. The Saudis were rat cunning announcing the verdict right on Christmas. The sentences can still be appealed. It’s all just going to go away, in all likelihood. The more time that passes the less people care.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th December 2019

      Meanwhile the Iran regime is content with murdering 1500 of its own citizens – at least not for doing what they had been ordered to do:
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialreport/special-report-irans-leader-ordered-crackdown-on-unrest-do-whatever-it-takes-to-end-it-idUSKBN1YR0QR

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      • Gezza

         /  24th December 2019

        Yet another appalling repressive regime whose people don’t deserve them but can’t get rid of them. Trump arms some regimes & starves the people of others. Depending, it seems, in the Middle East, on what Bibi is telling Jared.

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  14. duperez

     /  24th December 2019

    Christmas Turkey: “I know windmills very much I’ve studied it more than anybody…” 🦃

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    • duperez

       /  24th December 2019

      Oops … wrong link but … actually when you think of it …

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      • Duker

         /  24th December 2019

        Trumps Windmill Speech
        “I never understood wind. I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody. I know it is very expensive. They are made in China and Germany mostly, very few made here, almost none, but they are manufactured, tremendous — if you are into this — tremendous fumes and gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right?”

        Wilco thinks we get all worked up over what he says ….. its the opposite how even from a prepared speech is full of nonsense. probably every ‘average’ President in private could speak like this , but they were in politics long enough to know what NOT to say in public.
        He just completely irrational…no need to look any deeper than that

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  24th December 2019

          If that speech wasn’t on record, and it’s worse as it goes on, I’d think that you were making it up. Except that no one would make it up and expect people to believe that it was real. It’s gibberish. It sounds like someone who’s in the early stages of dementia.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  24th December 2019

            I’m serious. This maundering on is not just someone being absent-minded or rambling because they’re tired, which happens to everyone. He isn’t making sense, he’s talking nonsense. This is someone who’s losing touch with reality.

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            • Gezza

               /  24th December 2019

              No it isn’t. It’s only a tiny segment of his speech to a rally of young conservatives at West Palm Beach that’s an hour & 17 minutes long & which I’ve now watched &/or listened to in full. It’s jingoistic & boastful & includes personal attacks on the Democratic nominees, conflates socialism & communism with the Dems, & tells them the Democrats threaten all the values Americans hold dear.

              It’s full of claims that may be true or may not be true but one would have to fact check everything to find out what was true, what’s false, what’s distortion & what’s exaggeration.

              It’s crafted to appeal to a conservative audience which has grown up believing the USA is the world’s top dog & always will be & should always win over others.

              Trump’s made the USA an extension of himself.

            • duperez

               /  24th December 2019

              Absolutely encapsulated the situation. ‘Claims that may be true or may not be true but one would have to fact check everything to find out what was true, what’s false, what’s distortion & what’s exaggeration.’ It has got to that but it’s also got to ‘who can be bothered?’

              The dream scenario.

              And not just crafted to appeal to a conservative audience with the beliefs you outline but to a thick audience who probably couldn’t define conservative. (Let alone spell it.)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  30th December 2019

              I was referring to the rambling, repetition and contradictions. He says something in one breath and contradicts it in the next.

  15. duperez

     /  25th December 2019

    The details of Trump’s triumph in North Korea with his mate Kim Jong Un ooze out.

    “Ongoing upgrades to North Korean arms give Kim choices for ‘Christmas gift.

    Kim Jong Un’s scientists have expanded and improved their arsenal despite a self-imposed moratorium on testing advanced missiles, say U.S. and East Asian officials. Observers believe the regime has branched into solid fuel propellants and submarine-launched ballistic missiles, giving it numerous options.”

    Trump went there to ‘mate’ him and it appears Kim Jong Un did indeed mate with him.

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